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Discussions about the Alexander Palace => Tsarskoe Selo Town => Topic started by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on March 02, 2006, 10:43:28 AM

Title: Stupid question :(
Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on March 02, 2006, 10:43:28 AM
Sorry, I feel so thick having to ask this, but it's been confusing me for a while now and my curiosity has overcome my desire not to appear stupid. ;)

I thought Tsarskoe Selo was a town made up of palaces and residences for the Imperial family only.  

I didn't realise it was actually a town where normal people could live too?

Please could someone explain to me who was allowed to live there? Have I got muddled up with somewhere else?

Rachel
xx
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Nemos on March 06, 2006, 10:40:45 AM
The small message is in the guidebook of 1882 " On road Tsarskoselskoj " Zolotnitsky.
Page 214. The decision approved by Minister of the Imperial Court yard, on December, 18th, 1881, on the city of Tsarskoe Selo.
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Nemos on March 09, 2006, 11:59:40 AM
http://geglov2.narod.ru/Spravka/Gorod/Gorog_007.htm
the text from the book.
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on March 10, 2006, 11:49:50 AM
Thanks for the link, but sadly I don't read Russian. :(

I'm still a bit confused, but it appears that it wasn't the private retreat for the chosen few I believed it was.  Funny how I got that idea.

Rachel
xx
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on April 27, 2006, 05:14:04 PM
1. Thats not a Stupid Question     :)   2. I Used to think it was for the "Chosen Few"  as well
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 27, 2006, 05:57:00 PM
Although TS was an elite town, it was still open to the public to live in. Here is a link to a brief article I wrote last year on the history of Tsarskoe Selo. I hope it will clear some things up for you.

http://www.geocities.com/mushkah/HistoryTS.html
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Nemos on February 26, 2008, 06:12:09 AM
(http://i046.radikal.ru/0802/e8/a223a3d8b127t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i046.radikal.ru/0802/e8/a223a3d8b127.jpg.html)

Обратная сторона
Underside

http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-2/102.html

Может кто-то уточнит кто на фото?
Someone who can will specify on a photo?
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Nemos on February 26, 2008, 02:15:32 PM
Может Димрековская разобрать трудно. Фрейлин кого - ?
Can Dimrekovskay disassemble difficultly. Maids of honour of whom-?
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Nemos on February 26, 2008, 02:20:08 PM
Хотя можно прочитать как Джунковская, она действительно была фрейлин Императрицы Александры Феодоровны.
Though it is possible to read through as Dgunkovskay, she really was maids of honour of Empress Aleksandry Feodorovny.
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Joanna on February 27, 2008, 07:30:58 PM
(http://i046.radikal.ru/0802/e8/a223a3d8b127t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i046.radikal.ru/0802/e8/a223a3d8b127.jpg.html)

The Russian archives record the photographer L. Gorodetsky's studio at Moskovskaya 20 and yet this card states 21. Possibly the studio had moved during the years.

Joanna
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Nemos on February 28, 2008, 02:01:59 AM
Лапре было по Московской дом Барулина. Сейчас это дом № 24. Там и сейчас фотоателье.
Lapre was on Moscow house Barulina. Now it is the house 24. There and now a photographer's studio.
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Joanna on March 17, 2008, 04:00:26 PM
Nikolai,

What number was Gollerbach on Moskovskaya? Was it 20?
Что номером было голлербах на Moskovskaya? Был он 20?

Joanna
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Nemos on March 18, 2008, 03:23:29 PM
За Гостиным двором на другой стороне Московской улицы. Сейчас там ёлки растут.
For Drawing rooms a court yard on other party of the Moscow street. Now there fur-trees grow.
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Nemos on March 23, 2008, 02:19:57 AM
Простой вопрос какая улица Царского Села не изменила своего имени в Советское время, чуть не поставил меня в тупик ... ?
Simple question what street of Tsarskoe Selo has not changed the name during Soviet time, nearly has not nonplused me...?
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Nemos on March 28, 2008, 01:48:38 PM
Это Московская улица.
It is the Moscow street.

Давно хотел увидеть фильм ...
For a long time wished to see film...

(http://i046.radikal.ru/0803/14/2f1035a8d881t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i046.radikal.ru/0803/14/2f1035a8d881.jpg.html)
(http://i027.radikal.ru/0803/be/0a3e8deb6c8ft.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i027.radikal.ru/0803/be/0a3e8deb6c8f.jpg.html)
(http://i004.radikal.ru/0803/d9/5c099cb3aee2t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i004.radikal.ru/0803/d9/5c099cb3aee2.jpg.html)
(http://i038.radikal.ru/0803/91/9bff7a708b3et.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i038.radikal.ru/0803/91/9bff7a708b3e.jpg.html)

И даже настоящий вид плотины Детского пруда.
And even the present kind of a dam of the Children's pond.

(http://i024.radikal.ru/0803/fb/f76476e155b6t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i024.radikal.ru/0803/fb/f76476e155b6.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Nemos on March 29, 2008, 03:27:57 AM
Ещё кадры из фильма
Still the staff from film

http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-2/1935.html
http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-2/1933.html
http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-2/1932.html
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Nemos on March 30, 2008, 03:27:25 AM
http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-2/1952.html

Есть ли другие предложения, что это за плотина ?
Whether there are other offers, what is this a dam?
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Nemos on March 30, 2008, 02:32:31 PM
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=5BfisaKemL8
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7HE8SxCIqA

Плохо получилось, но представление о фильме даст.
It has badly turned out, but representation about film will give.
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Joanna on March 31, 2008, 01:52:34 PM
Простой вопрос какая улица Царского Села не изменила своего имени в Советское время, чуть не поставил меня в тупик ... ?
Simple question what street of Tsarskoe Selo has not changed the name during Soviet time, nearly has not nonplused me...?

?Moskovskaya per
?Moskovskoe shosse
?Sovetsky per

Joanna
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Nemos on March 31, 2008, 02:26:11 PM
?Moskovskaya per - согласен - It agree
?Moskovskoe shosse - Fridentalskay kolloniy 1919 - koloniy Bebely 1919-1923   - Moskovskoe shosse  1923.
?Sovetsky per - Pashkovskiy do 1919  - Sovetsky per  1923
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Joanna on March 31, 2008, 02:32:49 PM
? Sadovaya
? Srednaia
? Orangereynaya

Joanna
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Nemos on April 01, 2008, 02:52:23 AM
? Sadovaya  -   Perednyy 1830-1770  - Sadovaya 1770-1919   - Pushkina 1919-1923   - Komsomolskaya 1923-1993   - Sadovay s 2002
? Srednaia   1750-1918   - L.Suxanovoy  1918-1919   - Komunnarov 1919-1993  - Srednaya 1993 -
? Orangereynaya XIX - 1923   -  Kominterna 1923-1993  - Orangerynaya 1993-
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Nemos on April 03, 2008, 07:45:38 AM
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=j3a74dCG4mo

Кадр из фильма можно рассмотреть плотину пруда.
Staff from film it is possible to consider a dam of a pond.
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Nemos on April 03, 2008, 07:47:04 AM
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=jaXfijMatZs

Можно предположить, что это Кузьминская дорога. (В районе БАМ)
It is possible to assume, it is what is it dear Kuzminskaja. (In area of BAM)
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Nemos on April 03, 2008, 07:48:04 AM
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=zdCjlaalu1k

Камеронова галерея.
Kameronova gallery.
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Nemos on April 03, 2008, 07:51:02 AM
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=2LBoU7ALHxc

Дорога от Ламкого пруда.
Road from Lamskogo a pond.
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Nemos on April 03, 2008, 07:52:52 AM
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=IQrimmG2MCM

Горбатый мост и павильон Грот.
The humpbacked bridge and pavilion the Grotto.
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Nemos on April 03, 2008, 08:06:55 AM
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=uqQXPzdTpZU

Крестовый канал и берёзовая аллея вдоль него.
Cross the channel and birch avenue along it.
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Nemos on April 17, 2008, 03:01:38 AM
http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-2/3171.html

Есть ли у кого фото получше?

Жан-Батист Эдуард Детайль. Песенники IV Стрелкового батальона в Царском Селе. 1889. Холст, масло. Государственный Эрмитаж.

Не пойму где художник взял этот вид города?


Whether there is at whom a photo better?

Jean-lawn Edward Detajl. Singers of IV Rifle battalion in Tsarskoe Selo. 1889. A canvas, oil. The state Hermitage.

I shall not understand where the artist has taken this kind of city?
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Nemos on April 21, 2008, 01:43:22 PM
Немного рекламы ?
It is a little advertising?

http://slil.ru/25714827
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Nemos on April 21, 2008, 03:10:25 PM
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=ajTkS3b5rWQ
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Nemos on June 08, 2008, 12:55:20 PM
(http://i017.radikal.ru/0806/8e/b73539a71f46t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i017.radikal.ru/0806/8e/b73539a71f46.jpg.html)

Фото известное. Тень какого здания архитектора А.Менеласа рядом с Цесаревичем Алексеем. 1913.
Photo known. What shadow of a building of architect A.Menelasa near to Tsesarevichem Alexey. 1913.
Gewusstes Foto. Welcher Schatten eines Gebдudes des Architekten A.Menelasa in der Nдhe von Tsesarevichem Alexey. 1913.
Title: Re: Stupid question :(
Post by: Nemos on July 05, 2008, 01:05:00 PM
Это зубцы Белой башни.

Были ли выпущены ещё открытки с видами города Пушкина, кроме дворцов в XXI веке ?

It zubtsy the White tower.

Whether cards with kinds of city of Pushkin, except for palaces in XXI century have been let out still?


http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-2/6181.html
http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-2/6182.html