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Title: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Kerrin_Churchill on August 21, 2004, 05:47:28 PM
Does anyone out there know if there is a biography on the life of Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich?  He is a very interesting figure in the vast history of the Romanov dynasty yet, I can find so little written regarding him.  If anyone knows what became of this interesting historical figure after he escaped to France, I would love to know.

Thanks so much.  
Kerrin  
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Eurohistory on August 21, 2004, 06:37:35 PM
Unless you have a copy of Chavchavadze's THE GRAND DUKES, there really is not another book that covers the life of NNJr.  That is until Eurohistory's next book, THE GRAND DUKES OF RUSSIA, comes out ewarly next year.

FLIGHT OF THE ROMANOVS has some interesting information on him as well.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: grandduchessella on August 22, 2004, 01:21:32 AM
Isn't there also info on him in Romanov Autumn and The Romanovs? It's been awhile since I've read them.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: chris on August 22, 2004, 09:54:36 AM
From what I have read, Nikolasha was an ideal soldier, commander, etc and was well respected by the troops.  I can imagine that Nicky was intimidated by him, he was a foot taller, and semed like a no nonsense type of person.  I also read that Nicky once said "No one wants to follow the command of a dwarf."  He was probably a tad sensitive about his height.  
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Dominic_Albanese on August 29, 2004, 02:26:04 PM
I also believe that Prince Nicholas Romanoff is working on something about Grand Duke Nicholas Jr and his brother (and Prince Nicholas's grand father) Grand Duke Peter.

He has written a few 'episodic biographies' that I've purchased and have enjoyed.  Mainly on lesser known Romanov Royals.  He has as web site that you can contact him through.  Here's his web site: http://www.nikolairomanov.com/index.html

Don't let its appearence of being out of date put you off.  He continues to work on the biographies and I've found him very willing to communicate with those interested in his family.

dca
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Mike on November 20, 2004, 12:18:34 PM
Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich at the front in 1914 [size=10] [from the SGU collection]: [/size]
(http://www.sgu.ru/rus_hist/img/x1-062.jpg)
[The link updated].
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Robert_Hall on November 20, 2004, 01:21:23 PM
Mike, these paintings are wonderful and pardon my ignorance, but what is the SGU collection?
Something I should probably  be quite aware of I suppose.
Best,
Robert
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on November 20, 2004, 01:34:48 PM
Did Grand Duke Nicholas N the younger married an Princess Anastasia?
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Mike on November 20, 2004, 01:53:26 PM
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what is the SGU collection?

SGU is the Russian abbreviation for Saratov State University. Please see my post (http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=links;action=display;num=1100287927) on this collection.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on November 20, 2004, 02:22:17 PM
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Did Grand Duke Nicholas N the younger married an Princess Anastasia?

He did.Princess Anastasia (Stana) of Leuchtenberg,nee Princess of Montenegro.She was divorced with her 1t husband after much intriguing.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Olga on November 20, 2004, 07:51:20 PM
Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna of Montenegro was first married to Georgi Maximilianovich, Duke von Leuchtenberg. They married in 1899 and divorced in 1906.

Anastasia Nikolaevna married Nikolai Nikolaevich in 1907, at Yalta.

Her children from her first marriage were
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Lisa on November 27, 2004, 06:30:30 PM
sure...

Stana (4 jan.1868-15 nov 1935)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/AnastasiaNic.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/1jpg.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/stana2.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Lisa on November 27, 2004, 06:32:46 PM
Militsa (26 july 1866-5 sep. 1951)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/militsa3.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/militsa2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/militsa.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/melitzamontenegro.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/1903juill.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Agneschen on November 27, 2004, 06:50:43 PM
Hi Felix ! I have already posted this info in another thread but if you can find it, have a look at the Nikola and Milena book, it is full of pictures of Militsa, Stana and their siblings as children as well as adults.

Lisa, I believe the fourth picture you posted is actually not Militsa but her sister-in-law, Charlotte-Auguste of Mecklemburg-Strelitz, wife of her brother Danilo, Kronprinz of Montenegro. She took the name of Militsa-Jutta on conversion to orthodoxy which makes it quite confusing ... but if you take a close look at the signature, it is "Militza, Erbprinzessin von Montenegro" and not simply "prinzessin".
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: felix on November 27, 2004, 07:57:02 PM
Thay look like the same person,  So  close  to Elena of italy, Any photos of their off spring ?  I have Nikola and Milena. Nothing much on these two daughters, F.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Lisa on November 28, 2004, 07:03:37 AM
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Lisa, I believe the fourth picture you posted is actually not Militsa but her sister-in-law, Charlotte-Auguste of Mecklemburg-Strelitz, wife of her brother Danilo, Kronprinz of Montenegro. She took the name of Militsa-Jutta on conversion to orthodoxy which makes it quite confusing ... but if you take a close look at the signature, it is "Militza, Erbprinzessin von Montenegro" and not simply "prinzessin".

Merci!
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Lisa on November 28, 2004, 07:09:51 AM
Nadejda Petrovna in 1919
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/Nadejdaptrovna.jpg)

Pierre Nicolaevicth, with his wife and daughter in 1919
At Constantinople, on the boat Nelson

from the 3rd on le left: Stana and her husband Nikolasha, Militsa and her husband Peter Nico., Marina Petrovna (their daughter) and Roman Petrovich behind on the extreme rignt (their son):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/nicolashapierre.jpg)

(from the camera and the tsars)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: felix on November 28, 2004, 12:50:09 PM
 I found a nice photo of Marina in Beauty in Exile, page 38 , from 1912. F. I don't have a scanner or I would send it.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: grandduchessella on November 28, 2004, 05:58:06 PM
Stana:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/a35m11.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Annie on November 28, 2004, 07:53:31 PM
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from the 3rd on le left: Stana and her husband Nikolasha, Militsa and her husband Peter Nico., Marina Petrovna (their daughter) and Roman Petrovich behind on the extreme rignt (their son):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/nicolashapierre.jpg)

(from the camera and the tsars)


Can you please name the other people?
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Olga on November 29, 2004, 05:43:14 AM
Weren't MA Nikolaevna known as the 'Black Peril'?
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on November 29, 2004, 08:06:47 AM
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Weren't MA Nikolaevna known as the 'Black Peril'?

Duke of Leuchtenberg,1t spouse of Stana,called the 2 sisters,Stana and Militza, "Montenegrin spiders"  ;D
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: grandduchessella on November 29, 2004, 02:11:49 PM
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Weren't MA Nikolaevna known as the 'Black Peril'?


I thought it was the Black Plague--maybe they were called both.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Romanov on November 29, 2004, 03:02:18 PM
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Weren't MA Nikolaevna known as the 'Black Peril'?
I also heard they were called the black crows.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Romanov on November 29, 2004, 03:03:34 PM
Also how were they realated to they imperial family? ???
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: grandduchessella on November 29, 2004, 03:06:17 PM
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Also how were they realated to they imperial family? ???


With ties between the courts, Stana and Militza were both educated at the Smolny Institute in Russia and had contact with the Romanovs. Stana gained the first foothold when she married a cousin of the Romanovs, Duke George (?) of Leuchtenberg. Militza then married GD Peter Nikolaivitch. After Stana's divorce she married Peter's brother Nicholas (Nicholasha).
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Annie on November 29, 2004, 03:37:18 PM
Weren't both at one time considered potential wives for Nicholas, and he objected?
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: felix on November 29, 2004, 04:16:56 PM
I think it may have been Elena , their  sister .Who became Queen of Italy  She met her husband through Ella at Nicholas' coronation. F.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: grandduchessella on November 29, 2004, 04:49:04 PM
I had posted something about this a looooong time ago--I can't even remember the thread now! I think that there were hopes of a match between Elena and Nicholas but I can't remember if it was on her parents' part, his or both. She was attractive, good-natured and Orthodox so it seemed a good idea. She certainly made a wonderful Queen of Italy--though the Kaiser mocked the height descrepancy between her and Victor Emmanuel.

Here's the whole family (with in-laws):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/Family20of20King20Nikola20Petrovic20Hjegos.jpg)

Back Row: Grand Duke Peter of Russia (married to Militza), Prince Franz Josef (Franzjos) of Battenberg (married to Princess Anna), Princess Vera (?) and Grand Duchess  Stana (?), Crown Prince Danilo (?), Prince Mirko (?), Prince Peter (?)
Middle Row: Crown Princess Militza (nee Jutta of Mecklenberg-Strelitz), Princess Xenia (?), Princess Anna, Queen Milena, King Nicholas, Grand Duchess Militza (?), King Victor Emmanuel of Italy, Queen Elena of Italy
Front: Princess Helen of Serbia (dau of Princess Zorka), Princess Xenia (?), Prince Alexander of Serbia (later Alexander I of Yugoslavia—the potential suitor of Grand Duchess Olga)

Their eldest daughter Zorka who’d married the future Peter I of Serbia had died in 1890. The children in order of birth (so many girls in similar ages and appearances is why I’m not 100% sure of some of the above IDs). I’ll put the names in chronological order so people can compare and make up own mind:
1.  Zorka m. Peter I of Serbia (though she died before he became King)
2.  Militza m. Grand Duke Peter of Russia
3.  Stana (Anastasia) m. (1) Duke George of Leuchtenberg div. 1906; m (2) Grand Duke Nicholas of Russia (brother of Peter)
4.  Marija d. 1885
5.  Danilo (abdicated in 1921 in favor of nephew Alexander becoming King of a united Montenego and Serbia as Yugoslavia) m. Jutta of Mecklenberg-Strelitz who took name of Militza
6.  Jelena (Elena) m. Victor Emmanuel II of Italy
7.  Anna m. Prince Francis Josef of Battenberg (brother of Louis, Alexander and Henry)
8.  Sophie d.1876
9.  Mirko
10.  Xenia
11.  Vera
12.  Peter


Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: felix on November 29, 2004, 05:02:46 PM
There was some great story of her at a party at princess Yusupova's  and a duel stared with Mannerhein of Finland . And the other man interested in her. That he sent her red roses at the date every year.  I hope I haven't switched Elena and Zinaida.   F.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Agneschen on November 29, 2004, 05:16:47 PM
Jelena and her elder sisters were all educated at the Smolny institute in St Petersburg. Rumours about an eventual marriage between the princess and tsarevich Nikolai were quick to spread (a match which King Nikola of Montenegro would probably have favoured) after he was reported to have opened the 1888 Smolny college ball with her. Unfortunately in 1890, during a ball at the Yussupovs, prince Arsen Karadjordjevich and a Finnish aristocrat called Mannerheim fought a duel because of her and the latter was badly injured. Princess Jelena was hastily removed to Montenegro by her family who feared for her reputation.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Agneschen on November 29, 2004, 05:36:18 PM
The family group grandduchessella just posted was taken on the occasion of the commemoration of the proclamation of the kingdom of Montenegro in 1910.

back row : GD Piotr Nikolaievich of Russia, Franzjos Battenberg, princess Vjera, princess Ksenija, Kronprinz Danilo, prince Mirko, prince Petar.

middle row : Milica-Jutta (wife of Kronprinz Danilo), princess Ana, princess Jelena, queen Milena, king Nikola, princess Milica, king Vittorio-Emanuele III of Italy, princess Natalija (wife of prince Mirko).

seated : Jelena of Serbia, Marina Petrovna (daughter of Milica and GD Piotr), Aleksandar of Serbia.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Olga on November 30, 2004, 12:07:22 AM
What was so wrong with them?
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: grandduchessella on November 30, 2004, 12:49:19 AM
You mean in relation to the Black Plague, Black Devil and assorted comments? I don't know if their personalities were off-putting but there were a good number at Court who both feared and/or resented the influence the had over the young Czarina. They were responsible for introducing Alexandra to the world of mystics. Stana was also disliked for her divorcing a Romanov cousin and marrying her sister's brother-in-law--that was seen as a big 'no-no' in addition to causing family dissension as the Leuchtenberg cousins were popular with many family members. There may also have been some problems with class and background--the Montengran royal houses (and the Balkan ones in general) were looked down as rather grubby. I think Nicholas I of Montenegro was referred to as a goatherder.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on November 30, 2004, 05:42:37 AM
 Stana in 1899

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/stana.jpg)

Militza and Stana - little girls

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/MilStana.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on November 30, 2004, 08:13:55 AM
As for mysticism of Grand Duchess Militza there was an amazing story told by Felix Yusupov.One day he was walking along a road (somewhere in the Crimea estates of Romanovs) and saw Militza driving by her carriage.She was in a company of famous Monsier Philippe:certain french charlatan who called himself Doctor Philippe (Militza had introduced him to Nicholas and Alexandra ).Felix greeted Militza and her fellow-traveller courteously but they didn`t pay attention looking through him.Being in a puzzle Felix would asked Militza some days after about such unpolite treatment of him.And Militza answered very seriously:"You COULD NOT see me as I was with Monsier Philippe.He is invisible when he wears his hat and all the people by his side are invisible too." Yussupov was shocked.

Doctor Philippe had treated of epilepsy son of Militza  (Roman )and Militza had a great implicit belief in Monsier.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Olga on November 30, 2004, 08:16:25 AM
Hmmmm. A person fully in control of their faculties.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Martyn on December 02, 2004, 02:57:40 PM
The Montenegrins are generally criticised for their interst in the occult and for their patronage of M. Philippe and Rasputin.  At that time, it was eminently fashionable to dabble in spiritualism and mysticism - they simply followed a fashionable trend, nothing more sinister.
There was a certain degree of snobbery applied to the origins of these princesses; the fact remains that they were cultured and educated women, who for the most part acquitted themselves well in their roles as members of the Imperial House.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Johnny on December 02, 2004, 04:20:45 PM
I, too, do not find the Montenegrin princesses to be so terrible. In fact they were much more educated than many of the Romanovs' men and women alike. Militsa could even read and speak Persian which she had learned in order to be able to read the ancient Persian mystics like Roumi, Hafiz and Saadi in the original. The reason why they were often called the "black sisters" has often been attributed to their black hair and black character. I don't think that is the main reason. Montenegro in Russian is Chornagor which like the Spanish Montenegro means Black Mountain (chorniy meaning black, and gor meaning mountain. So it is a play with words. Now that they also had black hair suited this word-play even better.
At the end, they were much smarter than N & A to see the true nature of Rasputin and dismiss him completely. They also saw the danger of the looming revolution which again N & A didn't see. In fact I would have loved to meet the two sisters, especially Militsa.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: felix on December 02, 2004, 07:45:32 PM
I agree, they were some of the most interesting members of the IF. More information on these women would be great. I guess they were  alone. no allies in the family.  And Militsa's childern. What happened to Marina's art work?  Olga Alexandrovnva's can stil be found. I read that Miliitsa's jewels were in a french bank in St.Petersburg . I wonder if she got them out?  F.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: grandduchessella on December 02, 2004, 10:31:29 PM
re: Militza

Princess Militsa, born in 1866 in Montenegro, studied in Russia in the Smolny Institute, where she acquired a vast education, spoke five languages, knew Persian, and was deeply versed in the history of Orthodoxy. (Since Stana was also educated there, much if not all, could probably also be said of her). After leaving Russia aboard ship, the family settled in France where GD Peter died in 1931 at Cap d'Antibes.  In her widowhood, she resided with her family often in Italy where her sister Elena was Queen. In September 1943 Italy was about to drop out of the war and the family hurriedly left the Villa Marlia near Lucca and returned to Rome, escorted by a Carabinieri car or two. On September 8th, 1943, the day of the armistice they were in Villa Savoia, the Roman residence of the King & Queen of Italy, as their apartments in nearby Via Panama were still shut-up for the summer, and some time was needed to put the house in order. Soon however, the King and Queen had to depart Italy after abdication. The situation now very unstable, they left with whatever luggage that was at Villa Savoia. They went into hiding for 3/4 year since, under the German occupation, the whole family risked being deported. Militza was especially in jeopardy as the sister of the Queen and sought shelter in a building belonging to the Holy See. The 'Sacré Coeur' nunnery, on top of the 'Spanish Steps'  (been there!) was her first refuge in Rome, but after a few months she had to seek refuge inside the walls of Vatican City itself. In this she was aided by an Austrian-born  German officer , Count Ferdinand Thun-Hohenstein, who organised the transfer at great risk to himself. The rest of her family were given protection under the Swiss flag, in a large house on Via Pinciana, rented at the time by Jacques de Rham, a Swiss citizen. After the war ended, Grand Duchess Militza accompanied the Italian Royal Family into exile in Alexandria, Egypt and died there in 1951.

I've always thought there was a great deal of snobbery regarding the Montenegrins as their monarchy wasn't as old or royal enough in the eyes of many. Yet these princesses were better educated than some of those in more established houses.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: grandduchessella on December 02, 2004, 10:54:06 PM
From the Flight of the Romanovs

Because the Nikolaevichi were so distant from the imperial succession it was considered politically unimportant whom they married. Peter's family arranged thier marriage. His family was chiefly concerned with his health as his lungs were weak and their was a history in his family of tuberculosis. A 'big healthy girl from the mountains' was judged an good wife for this quiet Romanov whose main interest was Middle Eastern architecture.

Nikolasha had conducted a rather 'heated' romance with Stana whom he eventually married. Both of these women held a lot of sway over their husbands. Nikoasha, violently anti-foreign, would nonetheless converse with Stana in French. The two closre sisters, married to two close brothers, corresonded incessantly on topics ranging from family news to social gossip to poltics written in a mixture of French, Russian and Serbo-Croatian.

As Alexandra was not not liked and the Montengrins were the only grand duchesses who 'kowtowed' to her, they quickly became friends. As MF's influence over her son began to wane and Alexandra's grew, so did that of her intimates. Acting as energetic lobbyists for Montenegro, they began to use their connections to gain monetarily for their homeland. This seems to have been more political in nature rather than for any personal financial gain (though they did achieve that as well). Nonetheless, they became rather notorious and Sergei Witte (usually quick with a sharp cut-down) could only resignedly noted in his memoirs that 'haven't they created trouble for Russia, indeed'.

Not unusual in St Petersburg society, they enjoyed experimenting with the occult, including ouija boards and holding seances. They believed that the truth could be found in 'simple folk'. Nikolasha, at least, shared this fascination in mysticism and this grew under the influence of his wife.

The Italian King, after the Revolution and along with George V, had offered transport out of the Crimea. M&S took advantage of the British offer to send word to their father (in exile in FRance) as well as message of thanks to the King of Italy. They chose, however, to remain in Russia.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Teddy on December 03, 2004, 10:27:27 AM
Joann and Helena Petrovna get married. Helena was also a relative of Stana and Militsa. Did they have many contact with there niece? And were they responsible of the match between Joann and Helena?

By other words, did the Nicolavitsj family and Joann and Helena get along with eachother?
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: felix on December 03, 2004, 11:12:23 AM
T. I bet they had something in it,  I don't  have anymore info on it. but bet theres lots of people out there who know. F
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: felix on December 03, 2004, 11:19:47 AM
T. Missed the end of you note. But they must have gotten along since Prince Oleg wanted to marry  Princess  Nadezhda Petrovna. Only his death in the war ended this. F.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Teddy on December 03, 2004, 02:00:15 PM
I was thinking about that picture made on the Nelson. Stana was twice married. Her first marriage was end in disvorce. She was married to George Maximilianovitch, Prince Romanovsky, 6th Duke of Leuchtenbergone. Who was already death in 1912

In this marriage were childeren:
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Teddy on December 03, 2004, 02:03:50 PM
(Sorry I pressed already the button)

In the marriage of Stana and the Duke were childeren.
What happend to those childeren? Were they also on the Nelson. And is it not possible that some of the person standing on the picture were not the childeren of Stana of her fist marriage?
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: felix on December 03, 2004, 02:09:30 PM
T. I think Stana had a son and daughter by her frist husband.They went to the Crimea with her, Her daughter may have been named  Elena and married there. Iwould have to look further. F.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Teddy on December 03, 2004, 03:18:14 PM
My own research: Stana and Duke George had 3 childeren:

* Alexander, (married Nadeshda Caralli (married in   Russia in 1917)),

* Sergei

* Elena (Elena married in Yalta, in juli 1917 with Count Stefan Tyszkiewicz.

Were all the 3 three childeren on the Nelson? So yes: Are the unidentified people not the childeren of her first marriage and their Spouse?
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: felix on December 03, 2004, 03:45:20 PM
T. theres  no info on the second child Serge , did he die  as a child? I think you have it right on the other two. I don't have any info on them .  F.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Olga on December 03, 2004, 07:57:43 PM
Sergei Georgievich and Elena Georgievna both died in Rome.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: grandduchessella on December 03, 2004, 08:33:53 PM
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Were all the 3 three childeren on the Nelson? So yes: Are the unidentified people not the childeren of her first marriage and their Spouse?


A bit of overlap between this thread at the HMS Marlborough one. Here's what I put on that thread:

aboard the H.M.S. NELSON:

Grand Duke Nicholas Nicholaievich,
Grand Duchess Anastasia Nicholaievna &  her two children by her first marriage (Prince Sergei Georgevich of Leuchtenberg and Princess Helen Georgevna of Leuchtenberg and her husband Count Stephan Tyszkiewicz).
Grand Duke Peter Nicholaievich
Grand Duchess Militza  
Prince Roman Petrovich.  
Princess Marina Petrovna
Princess Nadejda Petrovna Orlov, her husband (Prince Nicholas Vladimirovich Orlov) and their daughter (Princess Irina Nicholaievna Orlov).
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Olga on December 04, 2004, 01:48:41 AM
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T. theres  no info on the second child Serge , did he die  as a child?


As far as I know, Sergei Georgievich died childless and unmarried 7/1/1974.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Teddy on December 04, 2004, 10:19:28 AM
F. This is what I found in a family three. I think that some of the childeren who stands on the Nelson picture are indeed some of the childeren of Stana of her first marriage and of their spouse.T.

Duke George von Leuchtenberg, Pr Romanovsky
Born: St.Petersburg 29.2.1852.
Died: Paris 16.5.1912

Married in Stuttgart 12.5.1879 with Dss Therese von Oldenburg (30.3.1852--19.4.1883)

Married: Peterhof 28.8.1889 (div 1906) Pss Anastasia Karageorgevich Pss of Montenegro (23.12.1868--15.11.1935)

Childeren:

ALEXANDER, Duke von Leuchtenberg, Pr Romanowsky, Born: St.Petersburg 13.11.1881
Died: Salies-de-Béarn 28.9.1942
Married: St.Petersburg 22.4.1917 with: Nadeshda Caralli (St.Petersburg 14.7.1883--Salies-de-Béarn 9.2.1964)

Duke Sergei von Leuchtenberg, Pr Romanovsky, Born: Peterhof 16.7.1890
Died: Rome 7.1.1974

Dss Elena von Leuchtenberg, Pss Romanovskaya
Born: Nice 15.1.1892
Died: Rome 6.2.1971
Married: Yalta 18.7.1917 Ct Stefan Tyszkiewicz (Warsaw 24.11.1896--London 1.2.1976)

Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: felix on December 04, 2004, 10:52:45 AM
 So Stana's husband was married once before her ? any childern from the union with the Oldenburg  I seems to get more interesting . F.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Teddy on December 04, 2004, 11:32:26 AM
F. There is a mistake. I thought Alexander was a son of George and Stana. But Alexander (the first Child was a son of George and his first wife.

And Elena and the count had one daughter born in 1921, named Natalia.

Is there a book of the Leuchtenburg-line?
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: felix on December 04, 2004, 11:41:46 AM
T. I dont  gave any information on a book, I would love one . F.
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Post by: felix on December 04, 2004, 01:32:27 PM
Was Alexander  L. the son of Stana or the Oldenburg  .?  Now I'am getting confused.  Serge and Elena were Stana's childern.  F.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Teddy on December 04, 2004, 02:15:58 PM
Alexander was the son of the Duchess of Oldenburg. The first wife of George.
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Post by: gleb on January 04, 2005, 07:02:41 AM
The Crown Princess of Italy Maria Josè of Sachsen Coburg with Roman Petrovich (the tallest one, by M. Josè's side) at a fancy dress ball in the private residence of the Italian Royals, Villa Savoia (Rome)
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Post by: gleb on January 10, 2005, 06:09:28 AM
I found a definitive legend for the Family photo, it comes from the book of Prince Heinrich von Hessen Kassel, who was grandson of Queen Elena and knew her brothers and sisters.....

Last row (standing) Peter Nikolaevitch, Franz Josef von Battenberg, Vera, Xenia, Danilo, Mirko, Peter,
First row (seated) Militza von Meklenburg, Anna (Bettenberg's wife), Elena d'Italia (this is Elena not the Lady next to the King of Italy, as many people think), Queen Milena, King Nicholas, Militza, King Vittorio Emanule III, Natalia (Mirko's wife).
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Post by: Martyn on January 10, 2005, 06:45:30 AM
I wonder why Miltsa is differntly attired?  Do you think they played a joke on her and put 'full evening dress' on her invitation?
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Post by: gleb on January 10, 2005, 12:26:40 PM
Hi Martyn,

I keep on thinking about it, but can't find a solution; the only thing I can say is: maybe She was ready for the dinner and the others weren't....
Do not have an answer at all.
Bye
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Post by: gleb on January 13, 2005, 05:19:40 AM
This a photo of the Father (King Nikolaj) of Militza, Stana, Anna, Elena...
He is on the balcony of the konak (royal palace)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Savoia/mon111.jpg)
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Post by: Kevin From Australia on May 14, 2005, 06:35:58 AM
I came across the following while researching the London Times.

October 23, 1890 Court News

"The condition of the Grand Duke Nicholas, who became suddenly insane during the recent manoeuvres, has taken an alarming turn for the worse, and his eldest son has started in all haste for the Crimea accompanied by two physicians."

I know this is a good six month before his death but I have never heard that he suffered from any type of mental illness before.

Does anyone know the exact cause of death for Grand Duke Nicholas?
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Post by: Svetabel on May 14, 2005, 12:42:54 PM
He suffered from senility...It is a type of mental illness.
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Post by: Svetabel on May 15, 2005, 03:24:49 AM
Actually his senility (madness) was a result of cancer of the gum. The malignant growth spread over his brain, he became insane and died after a while.
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Post by: Kevin From Australia on May 15, 2005, 06:08:07 PM
Thanks for that - I had never heard the cause of death before.
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Post by: Mike on August 25, 2005, 10:07:51 AM
(http://www.suvorovmuseum.ru/images/illust/zhiv52.jpg)
GD N.N. as commander-in-chief of the Caucasus front in 1916 (from the Suvorov Museum in Petersburg).
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Post by: Daniela on September 06, 2005, 06:05:50 AM

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Posted by: svetabel Posted on: Nov 20th, 2004, 2:22pm
on Nov 20th, 2004, 1:34pm, Maria_Pavlovna wrote:Did Grand Duke Nicholas N the younger married an Princess Anastasia?  
 

He did.Princess Anastasia (Stana) of Leuchtenberg,nee Princess of Montenegro.She was divorced with her 1t husband after much intriguing.

Can you tell more, please.
I didn't have a opportunity to read more about the Montenegrin GDuchesses.

Daniela
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: kmerov on September 06, 2005, 03:51:25 PM
There is a lot of info on the Nikolaevich branch in the autobiography by Prince Roman Petrovich, nephew of Nikolasha.
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Post by: Phil_tomaselli on January 03, 2006, 02:19:50 PM
Does anyone know exactly where GD Nicholas was in the few days following the murder of Rasputin (30 Dec 1916 - 04 Jan 1917 NS)?  I had thought he was in the Caucasus but believe now that he was in St Petersburg.

Phil Tomaselli
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Post by: Svetabel on January 04, 2006, 03:16:44 AM
Grand Duke Nikolay Mikhailovitch was in Petersburg that time . He was exiled (to his estate Grushevka)  1 January 1917 by order of the Emperor who as always obeyed his wife Alexandra Fedorovna.
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Post by: Phil_tomaselli on January 04, 2006, 05:14:39 AM
Many thanks.  Do we know why he was exiled?

Phil T
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Post by: Svetabel on January 04, 2006, 08:27:19 AM
Empress Alexandra simply did not like GD Nikolay. But the cause of his exile was his signature in the famous letter of some Romanovs written to the Emperor after Rasputin had been murdered. Moreover, GD Nikloay wasa well-known liberal who blamed the last Emperor and his wife's politics.
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Post by: dp5486 on February 11, 2006, 01:07:02 PM
I have searched this forum and I have not found any topics on his family. I have seen topics on his brother and his wife, but not his children.

Does anyone have any pictures of Princess Marina, Prince Roman, or Nadezhda's children? I have seen the pictures from the Marlborough/Lord Nelson already.

Did Roman suffer from epilipesy? I read that Grand Duchess Militza believed "Dr." Philippe cured her son of this.

Thanks!
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Post by: julia.montague on February 11, 2006, 02:07:41 PM
I'm just reading Roman's book and untill now, he didn't say anything about epilepsy.
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Post by: dp5486 on February 11, 2006, 05:00:52 PM
That's very interesting. I wonder if was an illness believed to be epilepsy at the time.

I didn't know that Roman wrote a book either. By chance, does he happen to mention any family servants or friends that accmpanied his family out of Russia?

I know this isn't the right forum to ask this question in, but I was still wondering...

Thanks!
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Post by: dp5486 on February 11, 2006, 05:48:16 PM
Oh ok. If you don't mind, please keep me updated.

Is the book in a language other than English?

Thanks!
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Post by: julia.montague on February 12, 2006, 05:07:45 AM
The book is origianlly in Danish,  mine is the German translation.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on February 15, 2006, 12:41:30 AM
There is some info on him I think on the Militza and Stana's thread.
The only one bio on him is in Russian, you can find a lot of info in "Grand Dukes Nikolaevichi", by Z.Belyakova.

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Post by: grandduchessella on February 15, 2006, 08:48:05 AM
There's info on his post-exile life in Flight of the Romanovs. There's info on his childhood and family life on the Alexandra Petrovna thread.

Direct quotes taken from Camera and the Tsars:

He was born on the feast day of the Guard Hussars and his uncle AII 'visited him as soon as the regimental celebration was over and hung the regiment's insignia on the cradle. A lonely boy, who remained something of an outsider in the family' NN  learned from his unhappy childhood, with parents who disliked each other intensely, to hide his emotions and was embarrassed by emotional displays. 'He was taught by military tutors and immersed himself in military studies, preparing for entry to the Nikolaevsky Engineering Academy when he was sixteen. The army was his first real home and he relished boththe life and the studies at the Academy, becoming an outstanding student. His training was completed at the General Staff Academy.'

Besides his interest in the military, his other primary interest was in hunting. Nicholas was a 'solitary man who kept his emotions rigidly in check; few members of the fajily came close to him but he had a long-standing relationship with the daughter of a city official, Sophie Burenina'. In 1892, AIII gave permission for him to marry her legally but with no recognition, rights or title for her or any issue but, under pressure from 'a family deputation' headed by GD Vladimir, AIII changed his mind. Nicholas did his duty and gave up on the marriage. He began to spend more time with his brother Peter and SIL Militsa. This brought him into contact with her sister Stana and by 1906 their relationship was openly gossiped about. 'Anastasia's marriage broke down after some years and in the autumn of 1906 society thrilled to rumors of an affair between her' and Nicholas. NII was initially reluctant to grant permission for them to marry but 'on advice from the Holy Synod' he gave in. The two were married in 1907 to 'the outrage of the wider family who felt that the Tsar was showing favoritism to the Nikolaevichi'.

At the outbreak of WW1, NII asked him to take command of Russia's armies, a post his father had held in 1877. NN wrote that 'words could not express what I felt in that moment. The appointment, and all it entailed, struck as a bolt of lightning through my head, leaving an indescribable exuberance, never to be forgotten. I replied that for me the will of His Majesty was as a Divine command, and so it would remain.' He spent several hours in consultation with NII and then returned to Stana, Peter, Militsa and their children and they all prayed in the estate chapel before he left. He threw away or burned the Germany orders and uniforms that he, like so many other members of the family, had received in years prior.  

He eventually came into conflict with Gen. Sukhomlinov, the Minister of War. As the war progressed, the relationship quickly further detriorated. Around the time that members of the Duma, close to the GD, accused Sukhomlinov of spying. While this was going on, NII decided to take command. He had always desired this but he was also influenced by the fact that other members of the IF, most noticeably AF, didn't trust NN and 'accused him of building up an alternative power base'. For NN his dismissal came 'as a bitter blow, though he accepted it without complaint.' He accepted a new post as Viceroy of the Caucusus. The whole Nikolaevich clan, including Peter who had served on his staff from the start, all move to the Caucuses with him. They eventually moved to the Crimea and took up residence in their estate there and soon, along with other members there, including MF, were placed under house arrest. The clan, so long isolated from the general Romanov clan, established a new relationship with them under these stressful circumstances.  In Feb 1918 all the prisoners were concentrated at Peter's home, Djulber and guarded by men of the Sevastopol Soviet. This was lucky for them since this group wouldn't shoot them without 'express orders' but the nearby Yalta Soviet wanted to kill them all. 'With Germans advancing towards the Crimea the Yalta men decided to act; for ten nights the younger prisoners helped to guard Djulber against an expected attack. But the murderers were delayed when their car his a mountain wall and it was the Germans who arrived first...' This granted the members a temporary reprived and they returned to their respective estates.

As the Germans began to lose control though and danger once again loomed, along with reports of the fate of the IF, a British naval detachment arrived with offers of sanctuary. The offers were refused until Feb 1919 when the remaining family members boarded the HMS Marlborough. NN and his family were on this ship. As NN stood next to MF by a railing, a passing ship drew nearer and the passengers could hear strains of 'God Save the Tsar'. NN 'saluted, raising his hand to his astrakham cap...' At Constantinople, the Nikolaivichi transferred to the HMS Nelson. This ship was to take them to Italy where they were going to take refuge with their sister-in-law Queen Elena of Italy.
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Post by: SuSu on February 15, 2006, 12:12:21 PM
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GD NN seemed like a serious career soldier. Yet it is his wife and sister-in-law who are blamed for introducing Alexandra to Rasputin. How interesting. I wonder what his opinion was of all that?

If only it was possible to be a fly on the wall of history.



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Post by: Svetabel on February 15, 2006, 02:10:23 PM
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Yet it is his wife and sister-in-law who are blamed for introducing Alexandra to Rasputin. How interesting. I wonder what his opinion was of all that?





GD NN was under strong influence of his wife - they had quite a romantic story before marrying. But he hated Rasputin at the same time.
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Post by: Svetabel on February 16, 2006, 06:01:30 AM
Grand Duchess Alexandra Petrovna, a full-version of a portrait, known by reproductions.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/alexpetr.jpg)
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Post by: Eugenie_of_Montijo on February 18, 2006, 05:27:48 AM
Please...can anyone provides me some briefing about Alexandra de Oldenburg, wife of GD Nicholai, daughter in law of Alexander III and Marie Feodorovna? I´m interesting on the relationship between Marie Feodorovna and all their sisters-in-law, and I´m not information about Alexandra of Oldenburg, just on Ella, Olga Feodorovna and Maria Miechen Pavlovna the elder.

Thanks in advance ;)
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Post by: David_Pritchard on February 18, 2006, 10:23:35 AM
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Please...can anyone provides me some briefing about Alexandra de Oldenburg, wife of GD Nicholai, daughter in law of Alexander III and Marie Feodorovna? I´m interesting on the relationship between Marie Feodorovna and all their sisters-in-law, and I´m not information about Alexandra of Oldenburg, just on Ella, Olga Feodorovna and Maria Miechen Pavlovna the elder.

Thanks in advance ;)


Alexandra Duchess von Oldenburg (born at Saint Petersburg on 2 June 1838 and died at Kiev on 25 April 1900) was the wife of Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich the Elder (or as it was said in Russian, Starshy). She was sister-in-law to Emperor Aleksander II and his wife Empress Maria and uncle of Aleksander III and his his wife Empress Maria. I think you might have been confused by the repetition of the same names in consecutive reigns.

FYI, the Grand Dukes of Oldenburg, Kings of Denmark, Emperors of Russia, Kings of Greece, Kings of Norway, and some of the Swedish Kings are all from the same greater family, Oldenburg.

David
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Post by: David_Pritchard on February 18, 2006, 02:43:57 PM
More on Alexandra Friederike Wilhelmine, Duchess von Oldenburg after her marriage at Saint Petersburg on 5 February 1856 to Grand Duke Nikolai she was known as HIH Grand Duchess Aleksandra of Russia. Aleksandra was the grand daughter of HIH Grand Duchess Ekaterina Pavlovna and the great grand daughter of Emperor Paul I of Russia. Aleksandra's younger brother Alexander Friedrich Konstantin, Duke von Oldenburg married the grand daughter of Emperor Nikolai I of Russia, HIH Princess Eugenia Romanovsky, Duchesss von Leuchtenberg. Aleksandra's younger sister Therese Friederike Olga, Duchess von Oldenburg was married to HIH Prince Georg Romanovsky, Duke von Leuchtenberg who was also the grandson of Emperor Nikolai I of Russia. As you can read the Oldenburgs had many ties to the Romanovs.
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Post by: David_Pritchard on February 18, 2006, 06:11:08 PM
Peter Friedrich Georg Duke von Oldenburg (who married HIH Olga Aleksandrovna of Russia) was the son of  Alexander Friedrich Konstantin, Duke von Oldenburg and HIH Princess Eugenia Romanovsky, Duchesss von Leuchtenberg. In other words, Peter's aunt was Grand Duchess Aleksandra of Russia, fromerly Duchess von Oldenburg who was married to Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich the Elder. With all these marriages between various cousins with the same names, you might consider some sort of chart or assign numbers to the IF members to keep them straight in your mind.

David
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Post by: grandduchessella on February 18, 2006, 11:12:52 PM

Alexandra (1838-1900); m.1856 Nicholas, Grand Duke of Russia (1831-1891) . Alexandra was the granddaughter of GDss Catherine Parents:

Konstantin m. 1837 Therese von Nassau-Weilburg

Siblings (Alexandra was the oldest and all the children were born in St Petersburg):

Nicholas (1840-1886); m.1863 Maria Bulatzelly, created Grafin von Osternburg; Nicholas was actually born in St Petersburg and his wife was Russian

Cecile (1842-1843)

Alexander , granted style of Imperial Highness in Russia 10 Jun 1914 (1844-1932); m.1868 Pss Eugenia Romanovsky, Dss von Leuchtenberg [It was his son who married GDss Olga Alexandrovna]

Katharine (1846-1866)

Georg (1848-1871)

Konstantin (1850-1906); m.(morganatically) 1882 Aggripina Djaparidze, created Grafin von Zarnekau [their daughter Alexandra married & divorced AII's son George Yurievsky while their son Alexei was murdered by the bolsheviks in 1918]

Therese (1852-1883); m.1879 Duke George von Leuchtenberg [his 2nd wife was Anastasia of Montenegro who would marry GD Nicholas N 'Nikolasha' her 1st husband's nephew-by-marriage]


children:

Nicholas (1856-1929); m.1907 Anastasia of Montenegro

Peter (1864-1931); m.1889 Militza of Montenegro

grandchildren (both Peter's children)

Marina (1892-1981); m.1927 Pr Alexander Galitzine

Roman (1896-1978); m.1921 Css Prascovia Cheremeteva






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Post by: hikaru on February 19, 2006, 12:27:29 AM
Her russian name was Alexandra Petrovna?
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Post by: David_Pritchard on February 19, 2006, 12:33:08 AM
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Her russian name was Alexandra Petrovna?


Her Russian name was Aleksandra Konstantinova.
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Post by: hikaru on February 19, 2006, 01:19:48 AM
NO, her russian name was Alexandra Petrovna. ???
During the reign of Alexandr III , she lived separately
. She even did not return from Kev , when
Nikolay Nikolaevich died.
She became the nun during the marriage.She was histeric and mistic - religious.  She liked charity very much
But at the same time, she was quite clever.
Nikolay Nikolaevitch went to balerina's house , because Alexandra Pavlovna was too much religious, she was not
elegant and she did not want to be like a woman of her cicle - she weared simple dresse and wool socks at home . So the husband said Bye-Bye, and
She lived in Kiev since 1881.
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Post by: David_Pritchard on February 19, 2006, 08:57:41 AM
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NO, her russian name was Alexandra Petrovna. ???
During the reign of Alexandr III , she lived separately
. She even did not return from Kev , when
Nikolay Nikolaevich died.
She became the nun during the marriage.She was histeric and mistic - religious.  She liked charity very much
But at the same time, she was quite clever.
Nikolay Nikolaevitch went to balerina's house , because Alexandra Pavlovna was too much religious, she was not
elegant and she did not want to be like a woman of her cicle - she weared simple dresse and wool socks at home . So the husband said Bye-Bye, and
She lived in Kiev since 1881.


Dear Hikaru,

What an unusual story for a grand duchess, but her religious choices and fervor were not unheard of in Orthodox Russia. Her father was named Konstantin Friedrich Peter in the German traditon but went by the name Peter rather than Konstantin. Would you know if this was the usual manner of determining a patronymic among the foreign families living in Russia?

David
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Post by: hikaru on February 19, 2006, 10:31:04 AM
She was raised in Russia.
I think that she could not be Alexandra Konstantinovna
in order that there was a big Konstantinovichi family.
Just for it.
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Post by: Svetabel on February 19, 2006, 11:20:32 AM
Her father was known as PETR GEORGIEVICH, so she was Alexandra PETROVNA.
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Post by: kmerov on February 23, 2006, 05:41:52 PM
Roman's book was one of the first Romanov book I read and  bought way back! He dosn't mention having epilepsi or "Dr. Philippe", but interesting if Militza thought that.

The Nicholaevich's were accompanied by some friends/servants, among them Baron Stahl and his family.
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Post by: kmerov on February 23, 2006, 05:44:03 PM
Grand parents of Prince Roman, Grand Duke Nicholas Nicholaevich and Grand Duchess Alexandra Petrovna.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/IF%20of%20Russia/gdnnelderalexpetr.jpg)
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Post by: kmerov on February 23, 2006, 05:46:00 PM
Parents, Grand Duke Peter Nicholaevich and Grand Duchess Militza Nicholaevna.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/IF%20of%20Russia/peternicholaievich.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/IF%20of%20Russia/militza.jpg)
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Post by: kmerov on February 23, 2006, 05:50:08 PM
Militza with her three children, Marina, Roman and Nadezhda.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/IF%20of%20Russia/militxachildren.jpg)

Helena of Leuchtenberg, Roman, Marina and Nadezhda in costumes.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/IF%20of%20Russia/cotuems.jpg)
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Post by: kmerov on February 23, 2006, 06:10:17 PM
Prince Roman in a Boer-costume. Militza was anti-British.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/IF%20of%20Russia/promanboer.jpg)

Roman and Nadezhda with friends. They are right of the picture.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/IF%20of%20Russia/nadjaromanfriends.jpg)
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Post by: kmerov on February 23, 2006, 06:14:31 PM
Receiving Nicholas II in The Crimea. The relationship between the two families was very good until 1910.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/IF%20of%20Russia/withzar.jpg)

GD Peter with Marina and Helena Leuchtenberg.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/IF%20of%20Russia/petmarjel.jpg)
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Post by: kmerov on February 23, 2006, 06:19:51 PM
Nadezhda (Nadja) and Roman.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/IF%20of%20Russia/nadjaroman.jpg)

Helena Leuchtenberg, friend and Marina as nurses during WW1.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/IF%20of%20Russia/nurses.jpg)

Prince Roman with wife and two sons in exile.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/IF%20of%20Russia/romanwithwife.jpg)
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Post by: dp5486 on February 24, 2006, 12:22:24 PM
Thank you so much for the great pictures! I have never seen any good pictures of Marina or Roman as they would look around the time of the revolution. I've always thought Marina looked quite a bit like her mother.

They have always seemed like a very interesting family. I had no idea until several weeks ago that Nadezhda had a twin sister who died the same day she was born. I was looking through Sandro's autobiography and came across a passage about how Nadezhda's husband, Prince Orlov, was almost arrested and killed while they were in the Crimea. From what I read this was due to his relation to his father Vladimir Orlov, an aide-de-campe (?) of Nicholas II.

Was Elena of Leuchtenberg (Countess Tyszkiewicz) close to her cousin Marina. They seem to be in all these these pictures together. They also seem to have both married around the same time in the Crimea.

Thanks again for the great pictures!
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Post by: José on February 24, 2006, 01:04:12 PM
Has someone got pictures of Pss. Marina and Nadjejda's husbands -engagements, wedding, Nadjejda's children, Princes Galitzine and Orloff ?

Also of Pss. Nathalia, Elizabeth and Tatiana (Pr.Nicholas's daughters) and of Pr.Dimitri 2 wives Johanna and Dorrit ?

Thanks in advance.
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Post by: Emilia on February 24, 2006, 01:23:51 PM
Dear kmerov,
thank you for visiting Jelisaveta and my site, but it would be nice to ask us if you may use the pics, before you post them somewhere! Thank you!! :-/
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Post by: kmerov on February 24, 2006, 01:35:24 PM
Dear Emilia.  I have never visited your site until you tolled me you had one! I got these pictures from the memoirs of Prince Roman Petrovich. If I should ask someone about posting the pics, it would be the auther of the book (he is dead, but i'm sure you get the point) and not you! Where did you get the pictures? It seems as if the came from the same book as mine.
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Post by: kmerov on February 24, 2006, 01:41:20 PM
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Thank you so much for the great pictures! I have never seen any good pictures of Marina or Roman as they would look around the time of the revolution. I've always thought Marina looked quite a bit like her mother.

They have always seemed like a very interesting family. I had no idea until several weeks ago that Nadezhda had a twin sister who died the same day she was born. I was looking through Sandro's autobiography and came across a passage about how Nadezhda's husband, Prince Orlov, was almost arrested and killed while they were in the Crimea. From what I read this was due to his relation to his father Vladimir Orlov, an aide-de-campe (?) of Nicholas II.

Was Elena of Leuchtenberg (Countess Tyszkiewicz) close to her cousin Marina. They seem to be in all these these pictures together. They also seem to have both married around the same time in the Crimea.

Thanks again for the great pictures!


I think that Marina and her cousin (H)elena Leuchtenberg were very close, and they spend a great deal of their time together.
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Post by: Emilia on February 24, 2006, 01:46:12 PM
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Dear Emilia.  I have never visited your site until you tolled me you had one! I got these pictures from the memoirs of Prince Roman Petrovich. If I should ask someone about posting the pics, it would be the auther of the book (he is dead, but i'm sure you get the point) and not you! Were did you get the pictures? It seems as if the came from the same book as mine!


Sorry for that, but as the site is very new, it seemed like... You know what I mean! ;)
Well, sorry for that. :-/
BTW, did you like Roman´s memoires? I found them rather boring and dreary, but maybe they were better in Danish than in German?
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Post by: kmerov on February 24, 2006, 07:18:01 PM
Don't worry about it. :)
Yes it was a bit long  (boring at times), but I thought it was well written and informative aswell.
is the German version also 500 pages?
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Post by: julia.montague on February 25, 2006, 07:10:51 AM
The German version has about 450 pages, I just finished it ;D.
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Post by: dp5486 on March 02, 2006, 10:24:05 AM
Does Prince Roman give a detailed account of his family's stay in the Crimea and their imprisonment with the other Romanovs? I don't have access at the moment to by biography of Grand Duchess Xenia to see if his book is cited as being used. I know that Roman is mentioned several times in her book, mainly during their stay in the Crimea. I know that the family of Baron Stael von Holstein was there, also Dr. Malama, Count Fersen, and Stana's secretary Boldarev/Boldyrev.

Of all their siblings, who were Militza and Stana the closest to. I was thinking Queen Elena of Italy but I'm not sure. Any who actually would come to visit them in the Crimea (not during their final stay, before this).

Thanks!
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Post by: julia.montague on March 02, 2006, 10:40:59 AM
The last 50 pages are about their stay in Djulber.
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Post by: dp5486 on March 02, 2006, 02:02:44 PM
Where exactly was Grushevka located?

Thanks!
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Post by: Svetabel on March 05, 2006, 04:46:49 AM
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Where exactly was Grushevka located?

Thanks!

It was located in Hersonskaya gubernija - Hersonskaya province (the capital of it was Herson), the Ukraine.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: dp5486 on March 28, 2006, 02:43:44 PM
Does anyone know in which villa Princess Nadezhda's daughter Irina was born while in the Crimea? Various genealogy websites say Koreiz but I thought that was the Yusupov family's villa.

Thanks!
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: julia.montague on March 29, 2006, 07:32:05 AM
Roman writes that it was Chair.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: dp5486 on March 29, 2006, 09:15:27 AM
Thank you! I thought that Roman would probably mention his first born niece in his memoirs. I guess that makes sense because I think I remember reading in Xenia's biography that the christening was held at Chaeer.

Does Roman give detailed accounts of Nadezhda's marriage and the birth of baby Irina or only passing references?

Thanks again!
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: julia.montague on March 29, 2006, 11:33:52 AM
About Irina's birth he says that he and his mother were allowed to go to Chair when they heard that Nadia started having pains and stayed there the whole day untill the baby was born.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: dp5486 on March 29, 2006, 01:10:14 PM
Thank you! Too bad this book is only in Danish and German. I would love to read the part about the Crimean imprisonment.

I've been curious about when Princess Olga Orlova arrived in the Crimea? Does Roman mention this? I wonder if she lived at Chaeer when the rest of the family was imprisoned in Dulber.

Thanks again!
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: alixaannencova on September 15, 2006, 02:56:42 PM
I know there are heaps more glamorous members if the IF we could discuss at length, but I am a little intrigue by those who always seem to lurk a lot in footnotes and in the background of photographs. :-\

Poor old Petia! With a larger  than life big brother and notorious wife, he seems to have had little chance to emerge from the shadows. Dimitri Konstantinovich is another: so overlooked! Why! Surely there must be more to them than what we have!

Anyone know more about his interests. Architecture is all I come up with. Nicolasha gets listing for heaps:the army, power, ambition, the borzois (though I think that might have been more their father's thing actually!)
 ???
Also as a sideline, were any members of the IF significabnt patrons of the turf?

 
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on September 15, 2006, 10:45:59 PM
Also as a sideline, were any members of the IF significabnt patrons of the turf?

 

GD Dmitriy Konstantinovich owned a horse-breeding farm, he had a rage for horses, though I did not read in any book about him patronizing the turf.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on September 15, 2006, 10:50:09 PM
I know there are heaps more glamorous members if the IF we could discuss at length, but I am a little intrigue by those who always seem to lurk a lot in footnotes and in the background of photographs. :-\

Poor old Petia! With a larger  than life big brother and notorious wife, he seems to have had little chance to emerge from the shadows.

 

And btw, WHY POOR PETIA? Don't you think he was happy with his destiny? He was not ambitious, flamboyant and so on... he loved his wife, children, family and larger-than-life brother, he was happy not to be a political figure.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: alixaannencova on September 16, 2006, 02:52:26 AM
Sorry Svetabel I meant 'Poor Petia' in the sense that he seems to be so deeply entrenched in the 'footnote' of IF history, not that he was in any way unhappy with his lot! Is it true that he was not particularly robust, healthwise?

Does anyone know if he was patron of any architectural institutes? He seemed to be very enthusiastic about architecture and I wondered how deeply involved he actually.

I had no idea about Mitia's interest in horses, was his stud at Strelna? I wonder i he bred for racing or four in hand,or perhaps just for hunting. What about Polo. Did any Grand Dukes play?

Sorry I am getting off the point. Does anyone think Mitia warrants his own thread. I'd feel silly trying to start one as I have nothing really to contribute, but I'd love to know more about him. His character, other interests and relationships within the IF. I know KR envied him for his steadiness of character, but what lies beneath? Did he ever contemplate marriage? Did he have an acknowledged mistress. I can't help but wonder about him, and there seem to be few photographs of him around.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on September 16, 2006, 12:40:57 PM


I had no idea about Mitia's interest in horses, was his stud at Strelna? I wonder i he bred for racing or four in hand,or perhaps just for hunting. What about Polo. Did any Grand Dukes play?

Sorry I am getting off the point. Does anyone think Mitia warrants his own thread. I'd feel silly trying to start one as I have nothing really to contribute, but I'd love to know more about him. His character, other interests and relationships within the IF. I know KR envied him for his steadiness of character, but what lies beneath? Did he ever contemplate marriage? Did he have an acknowledged mistress. I can't help but wonder about him, and there seem to be few photographs of him around.

There is a whole thread on Gd Dmitriy K. here in the Imperial Familt Forum. Just do a search.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on September 16, 2006, 12:51:38 PM
Sorry Svetabel I meant 'Poor Petia' in the sense that he seems to be so deeply entrenched in the 'footnote' of IF history, not that he was in any way unhappy with his lot! Is it true that he was not particularly robust, healthwise?

Does anyone know if he was patron of any architectural institutes? He seemed to be very enthusiastic about architecture and I wondered how deeply involved he actually.


Indeed GD Petr had very poor health -- problem with his lungs. He really was keen on architecture, and played up in engineering and constructing of Djulber, his Palace (estate) in the Crimea.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Marc on September 18, 2006, 01:41:45 PM
Any portraits of Peter?I think I have never seen any :(
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Daniela on November 09, 2006, 06:45:55 AM
Hello!
I know that this tread was inactive for more then a year, but I would like to restore it, because I didn't know almost nothing about GD NN the elder, except that he was father of GD NN the younger and GD PN and that he didn't liked his wife GD Alexandra.

What I will post is from "Wikipedia":

Grand Duke Nicholas Nicolaievich (born July 27, 1831 in Tsarskoye Selo, died April 13, 1891 in Alupka) was the third son and sixth child of Tsar Nicholas I of Russia and Charlotte of Prussia. He may also be referred to as Nicholas Nicolaievich the Elder to tell him apart from his son. Trained for the military, as a Field Marshal he commanded the Russian army of the Danube in the Russo-Turkish War, 1877–1878.
Military career
His father arranged for him a career in the army. On the day he was born, he was appointed honorary colonel in the Life Guard Lancers and enlisted him in the Life Guard Sappers battalion. A soldier most of his life, he first saw active service in the Crimea War, when he was in his early twenties, taking part in the battle of Inkerman (1854). Grand Duke Nicholas Nicolaievich showed a special interest in military engineering. In 1856, he was appointed as general Inspector of engineers and in 1864, he became commander of the Imperial Guard. In 1873, he accompanied his brother, Alexander II, to Berlin at the meeting of the three emperors: Russia, Germany and Austria.
The epitome of his career was the Russo-Turkish War, 1877–1878, when Nicholas Nicolaievich was appointed Commander in chief of the Russian armies of the Danube, although his reputation as strategist was very low. The Grand Duke had no particular distinction in early successes in the conflict and terrible reverses of the armies under his orders followed these. After the expulsion of the Russian troops from Rumelia and unsuccessful attacks at Plevna, Nicholas Nicolaievich was removed from actual command, although in theory he remained in his post. The victory of his subordinates made him participate in the success at Adranopolis and the peace of San Stefano, but after the war ended, he was criticized for not seizing Constantinople when his headquarters were already established in Adrianople. The Grand Duke also suffered the acute embarrassment of being charged with financial irregularities, of receiving bribes and embezzling money from the government.
His brother, Alexander II promoted Nicholas Nicolaievich career and elected him as Commander of the St Petersburg military region. Eventually he received the ranks of Field Marshal- General, Inspector General of Calvary and inspector General of engineering forces. Nicholas Nicholaievich was an influential military figure; he also served on the State Council.
Personality
Tall, strong and with a long thin nose, Nicholas Nicolaievich was neither handsome nor very intelligent. An incredible womanizer, “ He loved all women except for his wife” a contemporary wrote. He enjoyed army life, hunting and was a well-known gourmet; He was an expert on cattle, purebred dogs, horse breeding, fishing and hunting. In his luxurious residence in St Petersburg, the Nikolayevsky Palace, built between 1853 – 1861, horses were a favorite topic of conversation. The Grand Duke Nicholas Nicolaievich took great interest in managing his states, but he was a man who failed to inspired affection, even in the closest to him.

to be continued in next post...



Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Daniela on November 09, 2006, 06:47:08 AM
Marriage
Nicholas Nicolaievich unwillingly married his second cousin Grand Duchess Alexandra Petrovna, formerly Princess Alexandra of Oldenburg (1830-1905), whose father was a grandson of Emperor Paul I. The wedding took place in St Petersburg on February 6 1856. Alexandra was plain and unsophisticated and the couple soon found out that they had little in common. They had two children:
1.   Nikolai Nikolayevich Romanov of Russia the Younger (1856–1929)
2.   Grand Duke Peter Nicolaievich of Russia (1864–1931)
The marriage was in trouble from the start and four years later, Nicholas Nicolaievich developed a permanent relationship with Catherine Choslova, a dancer from the Krasnoye Selo Theater. Their affair was quite open and they have a daughter and two sons. The Grand Duke arranged a change of class into the gentry for his mistress and the couple’s illegitimate children took the surname Nikolayev. The Zar Alexander II ignored his brother affair but advised him to be discrete.
Last years
Nicholas Nicolaievich was in Cannes with his two sons, when his brother Alexander II was assassinated, returning immediately to Russia in March of 1881. The ascension to the Russian throne of his nephew, Alexander III, marked the beginning of the Grand Duke steady decline. Alexander III did not have any special sympathy for his uncle and Nicholas Nicholaievich was resolutely deprived of all his influence. His authority suffered even further, when he was involved in fraudulent military requisitions. When the Grand Duke tried to explain his actions to the Nouvelle Revue of Paris 1880, he indiscreetly attacked government officials and military commanders and eventually was removed from his post. Alexander III also criticized his uncle marital affairs. By then, Nicholas Nicholaievich was living openly with his mistress. His wife left him for good in 1881 and moved to Kiev, but the Grand Duchess refused to grant the divorce he would have wanted. His grown up sons took their mother’s side in the family break up, but continued to live at the palace. Catherine Chislova nagged Nicholas to provide for her and their children, he soon became financially embarrassed and had to mortgage his palace. In 1882, Nicholas Nicolaievich was put under supervision due to the squandering of his fortune; he lived as a private gentleman in a modest house.
Nicholas Nicolaievich, unable to get a divorce, hoped to survive his wife and then marry his mistress, but it was Catherine Chislova who died unexpectedly in Crimea while Grand Duchess Alexandra Petrovna would survive him by nine years. Shortly after his mistress death, Nicholas went mad; he had oral cancer that spread to his brain. Suffering from delusion, he was convinced that all women were in love with him. During one ballet performance, The Grand Duke even attacked a young male dance that took for a woman. In 1890, Nicholas Nicolaievich was declared insane and kept locked indoors in Crimea. He died in Alupka, Crimea on 13/25 April 1891. The Grand Duke reputation at the imperial court was low and his death was not deeply felt. He had squandered all his tremendous wealth and his palace was immediately sold to cancel his massive debts.

OK, this is it.

Daniela
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Daniela on November 09, 2006, 06:50:32 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/67/Grand_Duke_Nikolas_Nikolaievich_the_elder.JPG/450px-Grand_Duke_Nikolas_Nikolaievich_the_elder.JPG)
Grand Duke Nicholas Nicolaievich of Russia

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5d/Grand_Duke_Nicholas_Nikolaievich_the_elder_in_his_youth.JPG/450px-Grand_Duke_Nicholas_Nikolaievich_the_elder_in_his_youth.JPG)
Grand Duke Nicholas Nicolaievich of Russia in his youth

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8a/Grand_Duke_Nicholas_Nikolaievich_the_elder_in_his_late_years.JPG/450px-Grand_Duke_Nicholas_Nikolaievich_the_elder_in_his_late_years.JPG)
Grand Duke Nicholas Nicolaievich of Russia

All the photos are from "Wikipedia"

Daniela
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Daniela on November 09, 2006, 06:56:54 AM
After I've read above bio I've decided that he wasn't pleasant person at all!  >:(

My request is, does someone have some kind of info about his lover Catherine Choslova, or a photo? From what I read about her, it seems to me that she was a greedy :-\ person? What do you think?

Daniela
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on November 09, 2006, 01:02:47 PM
My request is, does someone have some kind of info about his lover Catherine Choslova, or a photo? From what I read about her, it seems to me that she was a greedy :-\ person? What do you think?

Daniela


Quite a greedy person :) was Ekaterina Chislova. Moreover she used to pound with her fists her lover Grand Duke, he often was seen black and blue.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Daniela on November 10, 2006, 01:04:50 AM
Wow, she beat him! :o

Well, I don't want to look like I wish him the beatings, but perhaps, you know, the way he treated his wife Alexandra Petrovna, well, perhaps he got it even with Ekaterina Chislova. :P

Daniela
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Miguelemejia on November 10, 2006, 04:54:12 PM
I wrote the wikipedia bio. and yes Daniela , I think you are right Grand Duke Nicholas the elder was an unpleasant man. He was not reallyt like even by his family.
I could not find information about his illegitmate children with Catherine Choslova. Can anybody add somthing about them ?
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on November 11, 2006, 02:03:47 AM

I could not find information about his illegitmate children with Catherine Choslova. Can anybody add somthing about them ?

Children with Chislova : Olga, Vladimir, Nikolay, Ekaterina. Their family name was "Nikolaevi".
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: grandduchessella on November 11, 2006, 01:25:39 PM
Here's some info from the other thread:

NO, her russian name was Alexandra Petrovna. ???
During the reign of Alexandr III , she lived separately
. She even did not return from Kev , when
Nikolay Nikolaevich died.
She became the nun during the marriage.She was histeric and mistic - religious.  She liked charity very much
But at the same time, she was quite clever.
Nikolay Nikolaevitch went to balerina's house , because Alexandra Pavlovna was too much religious, she was not
elegant and she did not want to be like a woman of her cicle - she weared simple dresse and wool socks at home . So the husband said Bye-Bye, and
She lived in Kiev since 1881.

Grand parents of Prince Roman, Grand Duke Nicholas Nicholaevich and Grand Duchess Alexandra Petrovna.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/IF%20of%20Russia/gdnnelderalexpetr.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Daniela on November 13, 2006, 05:37:46 AM
I wrote the wikipedia bio. and yes Daniela , I think you are right Grand Duke Nicholas the elder was an unpleasant man. He was not reallyt like even by his family.
I could not find information about his illegitmate children with Catherine Choslova. Can anybody add somthing about them ?

I liked your story that's way I've posted it. I didn't know almost nothing about him, so thanks for his story! :)

On the web I've found this link with geneaology about his children with Catherine Choslova. According to this link they had five children together and first four of them had their own families or at least they were married:

1. Olga Nicolaievna Nicolaiev, b. 10 Jun 1868 - d. 31 Aug 1950
2. Wladimir Nicolaievitch Nicolaiev, b. 4 Jun 1873 -  d. 28 Jan 1942
3. Catherine Nicolaievna Nicolaiev, b. 1874 - d. 26 Jan 1940
4. Nicolas Nicholaievitch Nicolaiev, b. 16 Apr 1875 - d. 9 Jan 1902
5. Galina Nicolaievna Nicolaiev, b. 28 Jan 1877 - d. 3 Aug 1878 

And the link is http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006699&tree=LEO (http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006699&tree=LEO)


Daniela
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Miguelemejia on November 13, 2006, 06:36:27 PM
Svetabel and Daniela

 Thanks for the information about Grand Duke Nicholas children with Catherine Choslova,  I am going to add it to the wikipedia article.


MEM.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Daniela on November 17, 2006, 01:12:51 AM
Still no images of Catherine Choslova? :-\

Daniela
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on November 17, 2006, 02:06:26 PM
Still no images of Catherine Choslova? :-\

Daniela

She was CHISLOVA, not Choslova :). I'll try to dig out her photo from the books on the Romanovs.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on November 18, 2006, 04:47:31 AM
Ekaterina Chislova

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/chislova.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Daniela on November 18, 2006, 02:40:39 PM
Quote
She was CHISLOVA, not Choslova . I'll try to dig out her photo from the books on the Romanovs.

Thanks for correcting me. :-[

And thank you so very much for the photo. She looks like a very determinate woman and kind of pretty. :-\

Daniela
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: allanraymond on November 18, 2006, 03:21:39 PM
The birth/death information relating to Princess Alexandra of Oldenburg should read (1838-1900).

The author (a poster to this thread) of the Wikipedia article, may wish to check out the dates and correct the article if he agrees with my information?


Allan Raymond

Marriage
Nicholas Nicolaievich unwillingly married his second cousin Grand Duchess Alexandra Petrovna, formerly Princess Alexandra of Oldenburg (1830-1905), whose father was a grandson of Emperor Paul I. The wedding took place in St Petersburg on February 6 1856. Alexandra was plain and unsophisticated and the couple soon found out that they had little in common. They had two children:
1.   Nikolai Nikolayevich Romanov of Russia the Younger (1856–1929)
2.   Grand Duke Peter Nicolaievich of Russia (1864–1931)

......................

OK, this is it.

Daniela
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Miguelemejia on November 19, 2006, 08:09:47 AM
Thanks Allan
 I've corrected The birth/death information relating to Princess Alexandra of Oldenburg (1838-1900).




MEM
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on October 13, 2007, 11:43:39 AM
GD Nikolay Nikolayevich-elder, son of Emperor Nicholas II

(http://www.picatom.com/a/niknik-1-th.JPG) (http://www.picatom.com/a/niknik-1.html)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Marc on October 13, 2007, 02:16:34 PM
Thank you Sveta,his portraits are so rare,at least for me!If you ever find a portrait of his son Peter it would be interesting to see it...
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on December 08, 2007, 10:01:09 AM
Grand Duchess Alexandra Petrovna

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/ae3471b1.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/_-.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: ashanti01 on December 10, 2007, 02:42:47 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/gdnicholas.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: amelia on December 10, 2007, 10:33:55 AM
Did his children with Chislova remain in Russia after the revolution?

Amelia
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: ashanti01 on December 10, 2007, 05:49:39 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Grand%20Dukes/gdNicholasNicholas_Posterdet.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: dp5486 on January 17, 2008, 11:55:11 AM
Does anyone know if Prince Roman mentions his mother dog(s) during their final stay in the Crimea or during their escape?
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: gleb on August 06, 2008, 02:57:23 PM
When did the Nikolaevichi settle in France? after 1919 I mean.

I know that the ship Lord Nelson left them in Genua (I have the exact day, for I found it in an old newspaper) and then they moved to Santa Margherita Ligure, but what happened afterwards?

Thanks
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on August 07, 2008, 12:28:22 AM
When did the Nikolaevichi settle in France? after 1919 I mean.

I know that the ship Lord Nelson left them in Genua (I have the exact day, for I found it in an old newspaper) and then they moved to Santa Margherita Ligure, but what happened afterwards?

Thanks

Prince Dmitriy Romanov, grandson of GD Petr Nikolayevitch, said in one of his interviews that in 1919 his grandmother GDss Militza had sold a family's necklace and the family bought an old villa in Antibe (France), so they eventually moved to France in the end1919- beginning of 1920, as Prince Nikolai Romanov, elder brother of Dmitriy, was born in Antibe in 1921.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on August 07, 2008, 08:30:46 AM
Did his children with Chislova remain in Russia after the revolution?

Amelia

No, all surviving children emigrated to France.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on August 26, 2008, 12:24:20 PM
Grand Duchess Alexandra Petrovna about 1890.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/Untitled-3-1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on August 26, 2008, 12:24:59 PM
Grand Duchess Militza Nikolayevna in her later years

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/Untitled-1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on February 17, 2009, 03:29:49 PM
GDss Alexandra Petrovna in 1864-1865

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/saha.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Veronica on February 17, 2009, 04:47:23 PM
Once again thank you Svetabel!
It's nice to see an image of her in her youth
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: kmerov on February 27, 2009, 06:27:41 AM
Does anyone know if Prince Roman mentions his mother dog(s) during their final stay in the Crimea or during their escape?

I dont think so. I remember that he writes that his mother didn't really like dogs at all.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: kmerov on March 01, 2009, 01:00:11 PM
A few pictures

Grand Duke Peter Nikolaivich
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/IF%20of%20Russia/stfypeter.jpg)

Grand Duchess Militza Nikolaievna
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/IF%20of%20Russia/stfyrmilitza.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: kmerov on March 01, 2009, 01:05:14 PM
Prince Roman Petrovich during WWI

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/IF%20of%20Russia/prrom.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/IF%20of%20Russia/prinsroman.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Marc on March 01, 2009, 04:02:43 PM
Very nice pictures of the family...thank you Kmerov
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: alixaannencova on March 01, 2009, 06:03:07 PM
Lovely, lovely piccies....Ta very much Kmerov!


Gosh, Roman is so like his Mummy...very Montenegrin looking!!!

In the photograph Svetabel posted of Militza in 'her later years' the line around her upper forehead makes it look like she may have been wearing a wig!

 
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on March 02, 2009, 12:54:38 AM


Gosh, Roman is so like his Mummy...very Montenegrin looking!!!


 

I'd say all children of Militza were very Montenegrin looking, the strong gene! : )

Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: grandduchessella on April 18, 2009, 08:59:50 PM
Family of NN looking unusually close given how the family relations turned out

(http://photo.fine-art-images.net/en/archive/medium/000687.jpg)

(http://photo.fine-art-images.net/en/archive/medium/000745.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on April 19, 2009, 02:18:32 AM
Prince Roman Petrovich during WWI



What a handsome man! look at that waist! soo tiny.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: kmerov on April 19, 2009, 08:40:10 AM
Wonderful rare pictures gdssella.
Yes, unfortunately the family bliss wasn't to last for very long, an the family became divided.  At one point Grand Duke Peter was sendt to live at the Winter Palace, since the family life by then had collapsed.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: kmerov on April 19, 2009, 08:47:10 AM

What a handsome man! look at that waist! soo tiny.

Prince Roman was quite tall and slim, but he also had a fragile health. He was sick for a time during the WWI and spend a long time recovering at Djullber.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Olgasha on April 19, 2009, 09:22:28 AM
GD Nicholas Nikolaievich [Nicholasha] as a child
(http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9348/nikolasha.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Olgasha on May 19, 2009, 04:06:19 AM
GD Nicholas Nicholaevich [elder]
(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/6240/nikolainikolayevichthey.jpg)

Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: LastoftheLine on June 24, 2009, 03:27:42 PM
Dear all, I need to find out as much as possible about Militza and Stana, the Black Peril sisters who were daughters of Nikola and Milena and who would become Russian Grand Duchesses. All information (particularly books which mention them in any language) very gratefully received. Also does anyone know if their diaries / letters have been published? many thanks!
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: grandduchessella on June 24, 2009, 03:48:15 PM
There's information on them in both the Montenegrin royal family thread and also in the Nikolaivichi thread in the Russian section. A quick search should bring up the relevant threads. I believe there are a number of photos as well.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: LastoftheLine on June 24, 2009, 03:55:18 PM
Thanks, I've been through everything on the site, but I'd like more!
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Marc on June 25, 2009, 07:47:52 AM
Milica's marriage to Grand Duke Peter of Russia was a great shock for European nobility at that time...Just before their marriage it was announced that Anastasia was to be engaged to Duke George von Leuchtenberg,a cousin of the Imperial family...As both of them gathered very "strange" books and were interested in ocultism during their education in Smolni European nobility speculated that the reason for this kind of marriages is a witchcraft...

There was also a pre-marriage contract in which Milica was granted just for herself 100.000 rubles from the Emperor,50.000 rubles from her husband Grand Duke Peter and a life rent of 20.000 rubles annual as long as she lives-in cash...

They were responsible for Rasputin entering the Imperial family...before him there was famous doctor Phillip whom they brought to the Empress in order to give birth to a male heir...After,there was Rasputin,but it was never clear were they lovers or just occult friends...Rasputin was followed by the police of St.Peterburg and of course there was an archive about him in which Milica and Anastasia were quite often mentioned...but,that archive was destroyed by the order of Empress Alexandra herself,so only speculation remain about the certain relationship...

Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on July 19, 2009, 11:16:46 AM
After I've read above bio I've decided that he wasn't pleasant person at all!  >:(

I'm completely agree.

Anyway...a photo of Grand Duke Nicholas Nikolaievic The Elder

(http://inlinethumb39.webshots.com/43238/2806674260101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2806674260101857556OCipfR)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on August 08, 2009, 09:53:18 AM
Another photo of Grand Duke Nicholas Nikolaievich The Elder.

http://photo.fine-art-images.net/en/zoom.php?716
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on August 31, 2009, 04:09:32 PM
Grand Duke Nicholas Nicholaievich.

(http://inlinethumb40.webshots.com/18023/2002112950101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2002112950101857556uGQmah)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on September 01, 2009, 09:06:57 AM
Grand Duke Nicholas Nikolaievich... http://www.fotosearch.com/bigcomp.asp?path=IST/IST512/1217088.jpg
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on September 01, 2009, 09:39:29 AM
Grand Duke Nicholas Nikolaievich

(http://inlinethumb24.webshots.com/35159/2871242770101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2871242770101857556DqMBPM)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on September 01, 2009, 09:45:49 AM
Grand Duke Nicholas Nikolaievich again

(http://inlinethumb21.webshots.com/44628/2316653740101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2316653740101857556SVtGJQ)
(http://inlinethumb25.webshots.com/41624/2392604900101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2392604900101857556okZbFL)
(http://inlinethumb42.webshots.com/8041/2355477210101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2355477210101857556JoMbhl)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 01, 2009, 12:52:06 PM
Nicholas Nicholaevich and his eldest illegitimate daughter Olga

(http://i32.tinypic.com/10781hx.jpg)

His mistress, Ekaterina Chislova

(http://i27.tinypic.com/24c6p7s.jpg)

More to come!
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on September 01, 2009, 05:19:55 PM
Katia, awesome photos! where did you get them?
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 01, 2009, 05:32:14 PM
A friend scanned them. I ll ask her from what book ;-)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on September 02, 2009, 12:00:46 PM
And again...Grand Duke Nicholas Nikolaievich...

(http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/42449/2408521710101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2408521710101857556DRBhNi)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 02, 2009, 01:12:04 PM
Mandie, i cant find her online, but here morte pictures of Nicholas Nicholaevich illegitimate kids

(http://i27.tinypic.com/154zfia.jpg)

Vladimir Nikolaiev (1873-1942)

(http://i26.tinypic.com/2qt9wug.jpg)


More to come

Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: grandduchessella on September 02, 2009, 02:08:49 PM
Perhaps from Jacques Ferrand's Descendances naturelles des souverains et grands-ducs de Russie, de 1762 à 1910 : répertoire généalogique?
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: grandduchessella on September 02, 2009, 02:18:55 PM
Wikipedia had this photo of Catherine Chislova and quotes from the above-mentioned book

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/Carherine_Chislova.JPG/390px-Carherine_Chislova.JPG)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on September 02, 2009, 02:20:20 PM
its ok, thank you Katia. :)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 02, 2009, 02:45:15 PM
You welcome. I ll look for the rest i ve got. I also have a few of Constantine nicholaevich`s illegimate kids. I ll post them in his topic ;-)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: ashanti01 on November 04, 2009, 10:07:54 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Nicolaievitch%20fam/gsnicchild-1.jpg)
GD Nicholas, age 12
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: ashanti01 on November 08, 2009, 12:51:06 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Nicolaievitch%20fam/hpqscan0007-1.jpg)
GD Peter
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: bednayaliza on December 07, 2009, 04:01:02 PM
Young Grand Duke Nicholas Nicholaevich"http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu120/bednayaliza/nikholas7.jpg"
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on January 16, 2010, 04:18:03 AM
Grand Duke Nicholas Nikolaievich.

(http://inlinethumb25.webshots.com/44376/2524675200101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2524675200101857556uOKSgy)

NOTE: A beautiful drawing based on this photo has already been posted in reply #146, if my post can be considered as a repetition, I apologize.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Kalafrana on January 16, 2010, 08:58:51 AM
This is going back a bit, but in Reply 30, was the 'Finnish aristocrat named Mannerheim' the future Marshal, or someone else of the same name?

Ann
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on January 16, 2010, 09:07:35 AM
I could be wrong but, Yes, I think that the Finnish aristocrat was exactly Baron Carl Gustav Emil Mannerheim, future Marshal and President of Finland...but if I'm wrong, please someone correct me.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on January 16, 2010, 09:21:33 AM
This is going back a bit, but in Reply 30, was the 'Finnish aristocrat named Mannerheim' the future Marshal, or someone else of the same name?

Ann

Yes, that was the same Mannerheim.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Kalafrana on January 16, 2010, 09:27:57 AM
Thanks. Is there any more information about this duel? It doesn't seem to have done Mannerheim's career any harm, since he moved from the 15th Dragoons to the much more prestigious Chevalier Guards not long after.

Ann
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on January 16, 2010, 11:46:26 AM
To replies 29 and 30.

I'm just wonder, for what reason royalty "experts" are spreading these kind of things? (about duels!, even injuries!! of Mannerheim). Mannerheim with no doubt was a very handsome man during all his life. He loved women (a lot of women!), loved also gambling and horse racing (especially in the youth age). For example, I know about memoirs of one rich Madam (without any names), who argued that Mannerheim was so impatient, that he could easily creep through the window and..;)...It's all OK, but Mannerheim during all his life had a total control of his emotions and I can hardly imagine any duels with the new Swede from Finland, who had just arrived to Russia. That would definitely have catastrophic effects for his reputation and Military career. So, no facts, only rumors.

I can imagine a lot of things in my mind, but I like to separate facts and rumors. Just my opinion. Nothing personal. I just feel sorry for the reputation of the brave Russian Lieutenant General Gustaf Karlovich Mannerheim.

P.S. Sorry for a little bit off-topic.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on January 16, 2010, 11:57:41 AM
To replies 29 and 30.

I'm just wonder, for what reason royalty "experts" are spreading these kind of things? (about duels!, even injuries!! of Mannerheim).
P.S. Sorry for a little bit off-topic.

That spreading began in the XIX century, and as it always happens, many historians tend to repeat rumors without even checking facts. Checking facts is quite a difficult work though.
Some modern historians don't believe in the Mannerheim duel becouse of Princess Elena.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Kalafrana on January 17, 2010, 05:46:17 AM
Nicola

I don't know a great deal about Mannerheim, and, of course, the source of the tale needs to be established. However, Mannerheim was moving in a milieu in which fighting duels was far from uncommon, and if he were the challenged rather than the challenger he would have no option but to fight (though if he were the challenged it would presumably have been his own actions that brought it about). Also, in 1890 Mannerheim was only 23 - perhaps the self-discipline and self-control came later, as a result of duels, gambling losses etc. I don't know.

Ann
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on January 17, 2010, 07:52:54 AM
Also, in 1890 Mannerheim was only 23 - perhaps the self-discipline and self-control came later, as a result of duels, gambling losses etc. I don't know.

Ann


Ann, I would be happy to agree with you, but I can't.

You can trust me, although I'm not a big PhD Historian Professor about Mannerheim's life or something else, but I've been studying his life for a rather long time (I have to do this and like to do this because I have some Russian/Finnish blood;)), and I read a plenty of memoirs from Mannerheim and other close to him people, read a huge amount of letters both on Russian and Finnish language, read Mannerheim's letters to his former Russian friends and familiars during his Finnish period (Dukes, Grand Dukes, Court people, simple Russian Officers, etc...). All in all, I know something about him. Unfortunately, there were no duels and injures.

However we are on the royalty forum, where people have a big imagination. A lot of people thinking that they are descendants of different queens and can easily imagine a lot of different other things, like gorgeous balls, enigmatic atmosphere of bright St. Petersburg from the 19th century, gambling, women, etc.. Then they conclude, basing on rumors from the one Princess, that Mannerheim took part in duel. No comments....

Nicola.

P.S. Sorry again for off-topic.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Kalafrana on January 17, 2010, 08:18:49 AM
Nicola

I'm happy to accept your view (though the romantic in me is a bit disappointed).

I grew up with a family story that my maternal grandfather was part of a British military expedition to Russia in 1918-19 (that's what got me interested in Russia in the first place). I've never found anything to confirm or deny it, and I've ended up rather doubting it (partly because all the other romantic family stories have turned out untrue!) If, as the story suggests, my grandfather went to Russia as some sort of mercenary, the timing is tight at best. He was discharged from the British Army in April 1919, having returned from the Salonika front, and was certainly in England in August, getting married to my grandmother.

Ah well.

Back to the Nikolaievichi. Does anybody have any information about Roman Petrovich's military career?

Ann

Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: ashanti01 on February 23, 2010, 12:15:32 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/princessmromanov.jpg)
Princess Marina Petrovna
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Marc on February 23, 2010, 12:37:22 PM
What a great picture...her pictures are rare...have some more?
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: ashanti01 on February 23, 2010, 02:51:09 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/ferrandmarianapetrovna-1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: ashanti01 on February 23, 2010, 02:58:45 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/princegabconprincessmarinapetrov-1.jpg)
Prince Gabriel Constantinovitch and Princess Marina Petrovna
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Marc on February 23, 2010, 06:53:35 PM
Very interesting to see that members of various lines of the Imperial family were close to each other...I wonder were they close before the revolution or the exile reunited family ties...?
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: wilski on March 19, 2010, 02:12:18 AM
cant find any thing on him, can anyone point me in the right direction please. i think he escaped to paris?
wilski.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: kmerov on March 19, 2010, 06:38:10 PM


And this article about him in Wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duke_Nicholas_Nikolaevich_of_Russia_(1856%E2%80%931929) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duke_Nicholas_Nikolaevich_of_Russia_(1856%E2%80%931929))
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: kmerov on March 20, 2010, 09:55:16 PM

Back to the Nikolaievichi. Does anybody have any information about Roman Petrovich's military career?

Ann



Prince Roman was enlisted at the Vladimir cadet school in Kiev in 1911, but was educated at home the first years. After he finished his cadet training he was educated at the Engineer Acadamy in Kiev, and became an officer in 1916. He joined the staff of the First Caucasian Sapeur-regiment, then stationed in the city of Erzincan in Turkey and later served in other places in the region. 
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: wilski on March 21, 2010, 02:56:25 AM
Many thanks for that.  In the book C the secret life of sir stewart Menzies by Anthony Cave brown it says that my Gt Uncle was sent to Paris to Talk to him witch he did through intermediaries? He was with mi5?
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: kmerov on March 21, 2010, 11:14:04 AM
Prince Roman as a military cadet in 1915. The picture was taken at Dulber where he was staying because of illness.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/IF%20of%20Russia/PRomanCadetDulber1915.jpg)

Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on March 24, 2010, 01:01:21 AM
Many thanks for that.  In the book C the secret life of sir stewart Menzies by Anthony Cave brown it says that my Gt Uncle was sent to Paris to Talk to him witch he did through intermediaries? He was with mi5?

Please specify the object/subject of your question.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on March 24, 2010, 01:02:58 AM
Very interesting to see that members of various lines of the Imperial family were close to each other...I wonder were they close before the revolution or the exile reunited family ties...?

The various Romanov lines weren't particularly close before WW I and Revolution. Some of them united only in exile.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on June 18, 2010, 02:01:20 AM
GDss Alexandra Petrovna

in 1861

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1861-2.jpg)

in 1863

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1863gh.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/file-4.jpg)

with son Petr in 1865

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/2dfdef45.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/b9817539.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/f6b88639.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on June 21, 2010, 03:06:56 AM
GDss Anastasia, spouse of GD Nikolai Nik.-younger

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1915.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Olgasha on June 30, 2010, 04:03:26 AM
Nicholas Nicholaevich the elder
(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/6898/ba7nye.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: ashanti01 on July 02, 2010, 10:59:01 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Nicolaievitch%20fam/56002039_0_2693b_c2883461_L.jpg)
GD Alexandra Petrovna
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: THERRY on July 03, 2010, 03:54:38 AM
Nice photo ! She's more beautiful than in others photos
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: matushka on July 03, 2010, 06:24:44 AM
Thanks Ashanti for this artistic picture (I like the voile very much). That's a pity that this great person, Grand-Duchess Alexandra Petrovna is not more known and discussed.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 25, 2010, 04:40:21 PM
Gd Nicholas as a child

(http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/203/55532765.jpg) (http://img841.imageshack.us/i/55532765.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 25, 2010, 04:50:16 PM

Another example of inacurate illustration, Alexandra Patrovna, Gd Nicholas Nicholaevich`s wife

(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9017/alexandrapetrovna.jpg) (http://img413.imageshack.us/i/alexandrapetrovna.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: ashanti01 on September 01, 2010, 10:10:23 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/petermarina1927-1.jpg)
GD Peter with Marina 1927
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 02, 2010, 08:33:02 AM
Little Peter Nicholaevich

(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/2673/peterk.jpg) (http://img52.imageshack.us/i/peterk.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: ashanti01 on September 02, 2010, 11:32:45 PM
Prince Roman 1912

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Nicolaievitch%20fam/roman1912-1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on September 03, 2010, 01:14:47 AM
Prince Roman 1912



My first thought was: Oh, Militza in profile in men's clothes! )))
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Olgasha on September 03, 2010, 02:58:44 AM
I love this one - of Marina and Roman.
(http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/4680/romanmarinkaao2sd.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 03, 2010, 07:21:23 AM
I was reading and i found out that Gd Nicholas Nicholaevich was a great gourmet and loved to cook. i never thought that!

Here s a kind of inusual image of him in civilian clothes

(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/6348/gdr354.jpg) (http://img39.imageshack.us/i/gdr354.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Olgasha on September 04, 2010, 10:57:08 AM
Great picture, Katenka, I must say he looks completely diffrent man in civilian clothes.

***
Little Prince Roman Petrovich
(http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/2181/roman1s.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Olgasha on September 04, 2010, 01:26:31 PM
GD Peter Nikolaevich
(http://content.foto.mail.ru/mail/agritura/1635/i-1644.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Kalafrana on September 05, 2010, 05:52:41 AM
Nikolai Nikolaievich a keen cook? Interesting. I wouldn't have thought of him as a gourmet either, if only because he kept a slim figure all his life.

Ann
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: ashanti01 on September 05, 2010, 10:49:53 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Nicolaievitch%20fam/romannadejdavladimirorloff1917-1.jpg)
1917 Nadejda, Roman and Vladimir Orloff
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 06, 2010, 08:16:52 AM
Peter

(http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/6775/186nrgb.jpg) (http://img828.imageshack.us/i/186nrgb.jpg/)

Militza

(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4531/186b378.jpg) (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/186b378.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Olgasha on September 10, 2010, 04:46:42 PM
GD Nicholas Nikolaevich
(http://pics.livejournal.com/fedor_ragin/pic/000d7fch.jpg)

at Stavka in Mogilev
(http://pics.livejournal.com/fedor_ragin/pic/000d4yc3/s640x480.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 11, 2010, 07:34:34 AM
(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/508/gdr307.jpg) (http://img259.imageshack.us/i/gdr307.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Olgasha on September 12, 2010, 03:57:50 PM
GD Pyotr Nikolaevich
(http://pohodd.ru/gal/d/12574-2/ofoto99.JPG)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Olgasha on September 15, 2010, 03:25:34 PM
GD Nicholas Nicholaevich (younger)
(http://content.foto.mail.ru/mail/agritura/1635/i-1647.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Olgasha on October 19, 2010, 08:08:09 AM
Portrait of GD Nikolai Nikolaevich (elder)
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9624/31zaryankoskmuzhskptnn.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Dru on November 04, 2010, 03:53:22 PM
 Here is a sketch of Grand Dukes Nicholas and Mikhail Nikolaevich by Hau:

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1345/5146931370_12b705a02b_z.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 10, 2010, 11:38:25 AM
Post mortem image of Nicolas

(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6821/85254659.jpg) (http://img143.imageshack.us/i/85254659.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Olgasha on November 10, 2010, 11:50:46 AM
Grand Duke Pyotr Nikolaevich
(http://i003.radikal.ru/1003/2a/201b84a592d8.jpg)

(http://www.romanovrussia.com/phd3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 11, 2010, 04:32:58 AM
Awesome!! Thank you!

Gd Nicholas Nicholaevich & Vladimir Alexandrovich, among others by Nikolai Dmitriev-Orenburgsky

(http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8581/nikolaidmitrievorenburg.jpg) (http://img834.imageshack.us/i/nikolaidmitrievorenburg.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: violetta on December 05, 2010, 11:18:26 AM
Nikolay Nikolaevich`s mother, alexandra Petrovna, nee princess of oldenburg. she was a very religious person,mistreated by her husband. she became a nun and founded a religious order in Kiev, I believe. Could I ask for more info on her?

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/Aleksandra_Petrovna_of_Rzssu.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on December 06, 2010, 12:57:17 AM
Nikolay Nikolaevich`s mother, alexandra Petrovna, nee princess of oldenburg. she was a very religious person,mistreated by her husband. she became a nun and founded a religious order in Kiev, I believe. Could I ask for more info on her?




BTW, she recently has been canonized by the Ukranian Orthodox Church...


She was a sort of a white crow among the Romanovs with her character: she was very down-to-earth person and more a house-wife than a Grand Duchess or a society woman. Not a beauty at all, even without prettiness, she didn't dress smartly and never bejewelled herself. Alexandra was really very religious as many newcomers to the Orthodox and was keen on charity, real charity - not that mere paint.
Certainly such playboy as her husband was he got tired of her quickly and left for adulteries with ballerinas. The marriage became a disaster and Alexandra dived into religious fervor and various illnesses - her legs were a constant problem.

It's interesting that in many Romanov's diaries and correspondence GDss Alexandra P. looks like a funny person. They were sceptical on her religiousity and pseudomaladies, and used to tease her behind her back. Especially the younger generation found her whimsical, but anyway her own sons loved her much.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: matushka on December 06, 2010, 07:06:27 AM
Svetabel, which of the Ukraninian churches canonized her? There are so many of them, I did not heard about this, that is interesting! I have several little brochures about her and her closter in Kiev. She did not foundend an order, but a monastery, the Pokrovsky closter, which still exist and whose main purpose whose the care of ill persons. GD Alexandra, who became mother Anastasia as a nun, personlly took care of most ill people. It would have been interesting to establish some parallel between her destinity and GD Elisabeth's one. The last visited the Pokrovsky closter in 1888. Svetabel, why do you think her illnesses were "pseudomaladies"? As far as I read, she had an accident, that is the reason why her legs were such a problem. And the decease which kill her (a breath cancer, I think) was a reality, she has at least one operation.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on December 06, 2010, 07:50:36 AM
Svetabel, which of the Ukraninian churches canonized her?

 Svetabel, why do you think her illnesses were "pseudomaladies"? As far as I read, she had an accident, that is the reason why her legs were such a problem. And the decease which kill her (a breath cancer, I think) was a reality, she has at least one operation.

Here's a link to the site in Russian:

http://www.patriarchia.ru/db/text/951703.html (http://www.patriarchia.ru/db/text/951703.html)

As for pseudomaladies - I didn't say that's my opinion, I talked about how some Romanovs saw Alexandra's life and nature. I believe she had a bad health.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: violetta on December 13, 2010, 10:28:27 AM
Nikolay Nikolaevich`s mother, alexandra Petrovna, nee princess of oldenburg. she was a very religious person,mistreated by her husband. she became a nun and founded a religious order in Kiev, I believe. Could I ask for more info on her?




BTW, she recently has been canonized by the Ukranian Orthodox Church...


She was a sort of a white crow among the Romanovs with her character: she was very down-to-earth person and more a house-wife than a Grand Duchess or a society woman. Not a beauty at all, even without prettiness, she didn't dress smartly and never bejewelled herself. Alexandra was really very religious as many newcomers to the Orthodox and was keen on charity, real charity - not that mere paint.
Certainly such playboy as her husband was he got tired of her quickly and left for adulteries with ballerinas. The marriage became a disaster and Alexandra dived into religious fervor and various illnesses - her legs were a constant problem.

It's interesting that in many Romanov's diaries and correspondence GDss Alexandra P. looks like a funny person. They were sceptical on her religiousity and pseudomaladies, and used to tease her behind her back. Especially the younger generation found her whimsical, but anyway her own sons loved her much.


I remember reading somewhere(dont remeber where) that Pyotr Nikolaevich and Nikolay Nikolaevich had it against their father how he treated is wife i.e. his numerous affairs,romances with ballet dancers...
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on December 28, 2010, 02:22:22 AM
Ekaterina Chislova

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/chislova.jpg)

One more of Ekaterina Chislova, lover of GD Nikolai-elder

(http://www.picatom.com/1r/1110303_0001-1-th.jpeg) (http://www.picatom.com/1r/1110303_0001-1.html)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on December 29, 2010, 06:47:08 AM
GDss Militza with the staff of her infirmary

(http://www.picatom.com/1r/1110673_00012-2-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/1r/1110673_00012-2.html)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on January 10, 2011, 02:23:53 AM
GDss Alexandra Petrovna, portrait of 1858 year. Unkhown artist (who definitely flattered the Grand Duchess. She doesn't look like her ownself)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1858apetr.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: THERRY on January 10, 2011, 03:51:17 AM
Yes like many other painters ! However, not much different from this other picture
(http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/7015/gdalessandrapetrovna.jpg) (http://img814.imageshack.us/i/gdalessandrapetrovna.jpg/)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Veronica on January 10, 2011, 11:48:17 AM
GDss Alexandra Petrovna, portrait of 1858 year. Unkhown artist (who definitely flattered the Grand Duchess. She doesn't look like her ownself)


Could it be a Winterhalter?
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on January 11, 2011, 09:28:58 AM
GDss Alexandra Petrovna, portrait of 1858 year. Unkhown artist (who definitely flattered the Grand Duchess. She doesn't look like her ownself)


Could it be a Winterhalter?

Could be him or one of his copyist.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on January 13, 2011, 11:42:52 PM
Portrait of Princess Nadezhda Petrovna, 1917 year

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1917.jpg)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on January 18, 2011, 03:15:15 PM
GDss Alexandra Petrovna in 1890s

(http://www.picatom.com/1r/4-1470-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/1r/4-1470.html)

(http://www.picatom.com/1r/44-93-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/1r/44-93.html)

(http://www.picatom.com/1r/14-290-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/1r/14-290.html)

In the last photo Alexandra's handwriting: "Sinful Alexandra"
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: ashdean on January 19, 2011, 05:10:54 AM
Portrait of Princess Nadezhda Petrovna, 1917 year

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1917.jpg)
Savery Sorine?
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on January 19, 2011, 05:49:47 AM

Savery Sorine?

exactly.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: violetta on January 23, 2011, 03:51:17 PM
(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/alekspetrovna.jpg)


another picture of alexandra petrovna
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on February 04, 2011, 04:26:03 AM


As for pseudomaladies - I didn't say that's my opinion, I talked about how some Romanovs saw Alexandra's life and nature. I believe she had a bad health.

About bad health of GDss Alexandra Petrovna.
Seemed everything was quite good till 1879 year when GDss’ spine was injured in an accident (horses made a bolt and her carriage turned over). After that she was not able to move by herself and used a wheelchair. She went to the Black Sea for cure and then to Italy where she was living on board of steamship Eriklik winter 1880-1881 years. Then she visited Corfu and returned to Russia, to Kiev and settled there.
Only in 1889 she was able to stand on her feet using crutches.In 1892 she went through a surgery (breast tumor) and left for Corfu for further rest. In 1895 she went to Nizza for cure.
The cause of her death was cancer of stomach, as the sources say.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Marc on May 30, 2011, 09:02:10 AM
There was a slight tiff between two sisters and Grand Duchesses Milica and Anastasia after Anastasia married Grand Duke Nicholas...

Milica was elder sister and the eldest one in the family since Zorka has died...as such and as wife of a Grand Duke she always took precedence,but after the marriage of her sister to her husbands elder brother suddenly Anastasia took precedence over Milica which caused few dissagreements between the two...

Her grandson Prince Nicholas said that he always found Anastasia "false",the way she speaked and behaved and didn't like her because of that.

He also said that Emperor Nicholas II wrote a letter to Milica(1916) in which he asked about her opinion on what territories should be added to Montenegro if the war goes their way...

She was very ambitious for Montenegro,loved it with all her heart and said she would never set her foot on it during the reign of her nephew or anyone others reign except of Petrovic-Njegosh family...while staying with Grand Duke Peter in Montenegro there was a threat for their life from the Turkish side,so they were ordered to leave...she didn't want to leave and she stayed in Montenegro while her husband Peter left for Russia...

She was very brave and adored her father...there is also a story about her and Xenia driving through Skadar lake with their father Nicholas...they heard a shotgun from the other side and thought that Turkish soldiers wanted to kill their father and she and Princess Xenia "hugged" him in order to protect him with their own body from the bullets!

Also,Prince Nicholas said about very complicated relationship this side of the family had with their cousins,the Karadjordjevic family...
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on June 01, 2011, 03:45:09 AM
There was a slight tiff between two sisters and Grand Duchesses Milica and Anastasia after Anastasia married Grand Duke Nicholas...

Milica was elder sister and the eldest one in the family since Zorka has died...as such and as wife of a Grand Duke she always took precedence,but after the marriage of her sister to her husbands elder brother suddenly Anastasia took precedence over Milica which caused few dissagreements between the two...

Her grandson Prince Nicholas said that he always found Anastasia "false",the way she speaked and behaved and didn't like her because of that.

He also said that Emperor Nicholas II wrote a letter to Milica(1916) in which he asked about her opinion on what territories should be added to Montenegro if the war goes their way...

She was very ambitious for Montenegro,loved it with all her heart and said she would never set her foot on it during the reign of her nephew or anyone others reign except of Petrovic-Njegosh family...while staying with Grand Duke Peter in Montenegro there was a threat for their life from the Turkish side,so they were ordered to leave...she didn't want to leave and she stayed in Montenegro while her husband Peter left for Russia...

She was very brave and adored her father...there is also a story about her and Xenia driving through Skadar lake with their father Nicholas...they heard a shotgun from the other side and thought that Turkish soldiers wanted to kill their father and she and Princess Xenia "hugged" him in order to protect him with their own body from the bullets!

Also,Prince Nicholas said about very complicated relationship this side of the family had with their cousins,the Karadjordjevic family...

Those Montenegrin Princesses were quite interesting women. Personally I always 'prefer' Militza as Stana looks..false, exact word for her ,as you mentioned. We don't know the truth but I have serious doubts that Stana really fell in love into GD NN-younger...

As for complicated relationship with the Serbian relatives - I think a lot is said about it in "Nikola nad Milena book"  - indeed not easy relations.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Marc on June 01, 2011, 11:53:16 AM
You are right ;-)

All this was said by Prince Nicholas in a 40 minutes interview to the Montenegrin TV...
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Kalafrana on June 02, 2011, 03:50:37 AM
Reading 'The Russian Court at Sea', two people who come across really well are Peter Nikolaievich's son Roman Petrovich and younger daughter Marina. Two very decent unpretentious young people. The author doesn't make the point, but the fact that Roman spent two years on the Caucasian front as an ordinary junior officer of Engineers (a very vital but unglamorous branch of the army, though 'first into action and last out', as my Royal Engineer grandfather used to tell my father) says a great deal about him. The British officers of HMS Marlborough seem not to have been terribly impressed with Peter Nikolaievich, who obviously suffered in comparison with his brother, but at least he didn't behave in prima donna fashion (he seems in fact to have been one for the quiet life).

Ann
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: gem_10 on August 22, 2011, 02:10:08 AM
A bigger version of a well-known portrait of Grand Duchess Alexandra Petrovna.

(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff145/tokyogensou/0_17b0e8_504357b1_origc.jpg)
Title: Grand Duke Peter Nikolaevich "killed in a duel"?
Post by: Gerta on December 12, 2011, 06:16:58 PM
While doing research , I was looking throught the Washington Post archives and found an article from Dec. 1892 that stated that "Count" Peter Nikolaevich, son of the late G.D. Nickolai Nikolaevich (brother of the late czar), quarrelled with an american at the casino in Monte Carlo, fought a duel with pistols on the seashore the following morning and was killed. :o  We all know the story is false and he lived a fairly long life, but has anyone else heard this story?
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Marc on December 13, 2011, 09:21:51 AM
Well,Grand Duke N.N also had some illegitimate children,but as far as I know none of them was called Peter,so this could be some of his illegitimate sons,if true at all...
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Dru on December 17, 2011, 07:51:51 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7034/6528625111_594fe068bd_b.jpg)

Nikolai Nikolaevich the Elder by Zichy.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Marc on January 18, 2012, 01:13:54 PM
Has someone got pictures of Pss. Marina and Nadjejda's husbands -engagements, wedding, Nadjejda's children, Princes Galitzine and Orloff ?

I have posted a picture of the wedding of Princess Nadejda and Prince Nicolai Orlov where you can also see his father Prince Vladimir and his mother,famous Princess Olga Orlova...

You can find it in weddings of the Romanovs thread.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Dru on April 13, 2012, 03:26:08 PM
I have a question concerning the family nickname of Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich the Elder:  Was it Nizi, Niza, or some other variation?  I have seen both translations, but my Russian isn't great, so I could use a little help from someone more fluent that I.  Thank you kindly in advance.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on April 13, 2012, 03:30:15 PM
I have a question concerning the family nickname of Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich the Elder:  Was it Nizi, Niza, or some other variation?  I have seen both translations, but my Russian isn't great, so I could use a little help from someone more fluent that I.  Thank you kindly in advance.

From all the sources I've ever seen his nickname was Nizi.
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Dru on April 13, 2012, 06:58:50 PM
I have a question concerning the family nickname of Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich the Elder:  Was it Nizi, Niza, or some other variation?  I have seen both translations, but my Russian isn't great, so I could use a little help from someone more fluent that I.  Thank you kindly in advance.

From all the sources I've ever seen his nickname was Nizi.

Thank you, Svetabel; I knew that if anyone could answer my question, you could :)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on September 23, 2013, 07:51:22 AM
GDss Alexandra Petrovna

(http://www.picatom.com/2a/alexp-1-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/2a/alexp-1.html)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Svetabel on October 28, 2013, 02:30:26 AM
GDss Alexandra Petrovna, portrait of 1858 year. Unkhown artist (who definitely flattered the Grand Duchess. She doesn't look like her ownself)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1858apetr.jpg)

Better version. And that's not Winterhalter, but Lauchert, 1858 year. Looks too serious and aged for a 20years woman.

(http://www.picatom.com/2a/lauchert1858-1-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/2a/lauchert1858-1.html)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Inok Nikolai on February 19, 2014, 07:12:28 AM
Does anyone out there know if there is a biography on the life of Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich?  He is a very interesting figure in the vast history of the Romanov dynasty yet, I can find so little written regarding him.  If anyone knows what became of this interesting historical figure after he escaped to France, I would love to know.

Thanks so much.  
Kerrin  



FYI:

Paul Gilbert reports that the Grand Duke's descendents have now requested that he and his wife be re-buried in St. Petersburg:

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/blog/index.blog/1453297/grand-duke-nicholas-nicholayevich-to-be-reburied-in-st-petersburg/
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Marc on April 28, 2015, 02:52:47 PM
Wedding picture of GD Nikolai and Princess Anastasia of Montenegro,taken from vk.com:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/anastasia%20russ_zpsiebwiulv.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/auersperg21/media/anastasia%20russ_zpsiebwiulv.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Kalafrana on April 29, 2015, 03:09:55 AM
Nikolai is wearing HM Life Guard Hussars uniform, complete with pelisse.

Ann
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: Maria Sisi on April 30, 2015, 08:10:33 PM

Paul Gilbert reports that the Grand Duke's descendents have now requested that he and his wife be re-buried in St. Petersburg:

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/blog/index.blog/1453297/grand-duke-nicholas-nicholayevich-to-be-reburied-in-st-petersburg/


And on April 30, 2015 it has been done! (although in Moscow not St. Petersburg)
Today Grand Duke Nicholas and Grand Duchess Anastasia have been reburied in in the Chapel of the Transfiguration of Our Lord in the Bratsk military cemetery in Moscow.


http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1401163/ (http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1401163/)
http://tass.ru/en/russia/792644 (http://tass.ru/en/russia/792644)
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/news/602news.html (http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/news/602news.html)

(http://vestnikkavkaza.net/sites/default/files/2010/Apr/119dine.JPG)
Title: Re: The Nikolaivichi
Post by: thebelgianhare on November 25, 2016, 05:53:12 PM
Wedding picture of GD Nikolai and Princess Anastasia of Montenegro,taken from vk.com:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/anastasia%20russ_zpsiebwiulv.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/auersperg21/media/anastasia%20russ_zpsiebwiulv.jpg.html)
a grand and poignant image

a fascinating couple - I can't believe there are so few photographs of them around! both very important people in the life of the last Tsar and fascinating personalties in their own right.

I've bought for Paul Robinson's work on GD NN for Christmas, and I'm very excited to read it fully  :)