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Title: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: lostfan on March 15, 2006, 05:04:24 PM
Is there is a complete list, somewhere, of the all the descendants, past and present, of Queen Victoria with birth/death dates, marriages, children, etc? The closest thing to a plain old list is the one on Wikipedia of people in line for the British throne, but it's sketchy at best because of Catholics being excluded and people being dead.

The Romanov Geneology site has a good list too, but I don't think it's been updated since 2003/04.
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Tdora on March 15, 2006, 05:12:22 PM
alt.talk.royalty.FAQ

Hope this helps - I expect others will know many more  :)
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Ssyentz on March 15, 2006, 08:04:02 PM
thePeerage.com
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Marlene on March 16, 2006, 08:45:19 AM

Although there are various websites that have lists of Victoria's descendants,  none are as complete as mine.  I say this only because for the past 30 plus years, I have specialized in Victoria's descendants .. long before the internet -and have have written three books on the subject.  Granted my books are up to date as of 2004,  but my personal list - is of course more up to date as I keep in contact with many descendants of Victoria.  The line of succession on Wikipedia is wrong.  However, I do not have a website  -- why not, you may ask?  Well, my ego isn't that big. I don't see the need to have my own website.   I do have information that does not exist elsewhere -- and I have my own issues with others lifting information from my work, and putting on their sites, which largely gives the impression that they did all the original work.

Royal genealogy is not easy.  In the last 30 plus years, I have built up contacts, and have spent many, many hours in libraries, buried in microfilm readers, in bookstores every week, copying hundreds of articles (which is legal because the articles are for me), browsing through magazines (and buying the periodicals, then clipping the articles, writing letters and sending them (postage adds up) to families, archives; trips to Europe; applying for vital records and so on.  I am familiar with the various sites -- and for the average person, these sites will do ... but as I leave and breath QVDs, I know I am far more current -- and over the years, I have found information that no one before me had -- because royal genealogical research is not googling ...it is not merely sending a nice letter to a prince (who may be giving you the wrong answer, or who may not know certain facts,), it is knowing how to look outside the box, which lead me to, ie, confirming that Princess Lavinia of Yugoslavia was not Kira and Andrej's adopted daughter, but their natural daughter -- or unraveling the story of Marie Valerie zu Schleswig-Holstein

Catholics are excluded from the line of succession in Britain.

As I said, there are various sites, which are probably good enough, for the casual observer.  But I don't use them ... and before you ask, apart from is in my books, my information is not available to others.  That is my choice -- others may slag me off for it, but it is my decision, and should I ever decide to do another book (and I know plans at this time), I will want to have information that doesn't exist elsewhere.  I will share some of my toys, but not all of my toys.

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Is there is a complete list, somewhere, of the all the descendants, past and present, of Queen Victoria with birth/death dates, marriages, children, etc? The closest thing to a plain old list is the one on Wikipedia of people in line for the British throne, but it's sketchy at best because of Catholics being excluded and people being dead.

The Romanov Geneology site has a good list too, but I don't think it's been updated since 2003/04.

Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Prince_Lieven on March 16, 2006, 10:17:35 AM
You think people with websites have large egos, Mrs Koenig?
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Marlene on March 16, 2006, 12:50:32 PM
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You think people with websites have large egos, Mrs Koenig?



I don't want to start an argument here, but the Internet is cluttered with millions of sites -- make that millions and millions.   There should be some sort of international standard for having websites ... beyond official ones, such as govts, business, news, corporations -- where parameters and standards are set (such as veracity and authority)rather than here's Kitty's royal page ...
there is far too much clutter out there ....
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Prince_Lieven on March 16, 2006, 02:15:59 PM
But aren't people entitled to their own websites under the usual laws of freedom of expression? It's not like we're going to 'run out' of internet space.
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: emeraldeyes on March 16, 2006, 03:56:55 PM
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 There should be some sort of international standard for having websites ... beyond official ones, such as govts, business, news, corporations -- where parameters and standards are set (such as veracity and authority) ....


But if such 'international standards' were to exist, who would enforce them?  With the amount of sites out there, any standards would be impossible to police, and what about sites that already exist that might not measure up?  Would they be grandfathered or would they be shut down?  And what about the poor misguided users of those shut down sites?  Who would handle the outcry from them?  Would there be an appeals process?  Who would adjudicate that appeals process?  How would the countires of the world decide upon standards that would be broad enough to exclude everything that might be deemed 'incorrect'?  It's just not practical.  There are far more important issues for us to be concerned with than whether 'Kitty's Royal Page' has the correct date for the divorce of some inconsequential semi-royal- even if such an incorrect statement might rankle a person who would never make such an error.
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: grandduchessella on March 16, 2006, 05:35:58 PM
It would probably fall to the Internet providers (who would all have to get on board for any standards) who would either have to have some kind of software (I can't even imagine how that would work) or rely on the information provided by others.

Many royal sites have been shut down in the last year on copyright issues, not so much on information veracity.

Marlene--would ever consider leaving your papers, etc...(barring any personal correspondence you wouldn't want public) to a library or institution? That much work over so many years could be invaluable to poor researchers doing good, old-fashioned hands-on research. I'm thinking along the lines of many of the items left to institutions such as the Yale Library (the Romanov photo albums) or the Hoover Institute (many items of Queen Marie of Romania).
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Ssyentz on March 16, 2006, 05:53:15 PM
Marlene,
I must confess that I have learned that the only website I'll use for reference regarding these types of topics is thePeerage largely because you are so frequently cited as a source.   I discovered long ago that good research is NOT the first 2 or 7 (!) sources one might find.  That concept has always been a difficult one to have my students learn, but the internet has magnified the difficulty astronomically.

Every time I use one of your books, I wonder how in the world you've accomplished what you have....but I am so glad you have done so!  I can gather that you are naturally blessed with exceptional eyesight or a terrific opthamologist!
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Marlene on March 16, 2006, 09:37:17 PM

SSyentz ... I looooooooooooooooooooove you.   :o
Gosh, and I've never heard of this site  the peerage.

Next Friday, I will be going to the Computers in Library conference in DC ... I always do the Friday track because the seminars are all on search engines, and that sort of thing.  The great thing, at least, for Google, is the advanced search where you can limit the types of sites.  Ask.com (formerly Ask jeeves) has hired Gary Price, a librarian, to work on this search engine ... finally getting the people who should be creating and implementing search engines ...

as for eyesight ... I have severe myopia, amblyopia in the left eye, and astigmatisms in both eyes, the left eye being the worst.  I also suffer from dry eye and had to go back to glasses, and now wear contacts only to the gym - and the glasses are bi-focals.

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Marlene,
I must confess that I have learned that the only website I'll use for reference regarding these types of topics is thePeerage largely because you are so frequently cited as a source.   I discovered long ago that good research is NOT the first 2 or 7 (!) sources one might find.  That concept has always been a difficult one to have my students learn, but the internet has magnified the difficulty astronomically.

Every time I use one of your books, I wonder how in the world you've accomplished what you have....but I am so glad you have done so!  I can gather that you are naturally blessed with exceptional eyesight or a terrific opthamologist!

Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Prince_Lieven on March 17, 2006, 07:00:43 AM
Unfortunately thepeerage.com is by no means error free, though the creator of the site invites people to email error corrections to him.
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Marlene on March 17, 2006, 08:27:42 AM
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But aren't people entitled to their own websites under the usual laws of freedom of expression? It's not like we're going to 'run out' of internet space.



It is not about freedom of expression ... it's about how the internet should be used ... one can do excellent research using internet tools - (what we call the hidden internet) or the professional indexes.  Newspaper and magazine archives, indices (such as the readers guide to Periodical literature), full text publications -- but they are not free (and for a good reason.)   One's library card can also provide access to newspaper archives, databases, etc ... certainly here in North America.
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: grandduchessella on March 17, 2006, 08:41:45 AM
I love, love, love the RDTPL! I used it so much in college (back in the old days before the internet  :) ) and when I worked in libraries, I would use my dinner break on occasion. I have notebooks full of references (packed away right now) and would then hunt down the articles through Interlibrary Loan (where I was lucky enough to work at one library) and now, sometimes, ebay. It's amazing how much old royalty was covered in such a variety of newspapers & magazines--unlike today where it's more of a niche. Sadly, the Reader's Guide is much harder to find now than when I was in college--it's usually just university & college libraries that carry it. Online databases often only go back a few decades--except for some newspaper archives.

OCLC is a great research tool for finding books. If you library gives access, definitely use it.
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: ChristineM on March 17, 2006, 08:43:06 AM
Marlene

This is a discussion forum not a lecture theatre.  

I am sure many people value your work, but we do not need to be constantly reminded that your way is best.

Here we are all equals who share our opinions and knowledge without prejudice.

tsaria

 

Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Alicky1872 on March 17, 2006, 09:35:32 AM
I must say I've found Marlene's information to be extremely helpful and interesting. When I take on board just how much time, effort and genuine hard work (not just sitting on her keister doing google searches) has gone into her work, it really is amazing. She got where she is today through her own sheer effort--to my knowledge she wasn't born into money like some who have got where they are today because of who they know. She does not constantly remind us that her books are still for sale on the internet.

I also think Marlene has a point about standards having slipped when it comes to this 'business' of Royalty. I am mostly reminded of this when I look at the rash of 'picture books' which have come out recently by 'authors' who cannot write properly or even identify the portraits correctly. It seems that if you are blessed with a fortune, you can go on ebay, win an armload of photos and voila! you have a book overnight.   :-/

I don't care if it's not popular to express my feelings like this. I'm not interested in winning a popularity contest. I just think people jump on Marlene far too much. Envy is truly an ugly trait.  ::)
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Marlene on March 17, 2006, 09:59:46 AM
The NYT used to be a great source for royal events - weddings, births, obits, as was the AP (and a great many stories in the NYT and other papers were AP reports) - public libraries also have the Readers Guide and various other of the Wilson indexes.  However, many libraries now get the online version only, which you can use in the library, as opposed to in home access (licensing agreements rarely allow out of library access)
The womens magazines -such as LHJ and that ilk - were also good for royal stories.  I've got copies of at-home type of articles about Nicholas and Alexandra -- fluffy pieces as I call them, so removed from reality.  Recently I helped a biographer working on a bio on Pss Grace, and obtained for her the Look and Life and LHJ type of stuff from the late 50s through the 70s.

British and European libraries have nothing like OCLC ... I was looking for Lord Edward Gleichen's memoirs ... and I went to my library, filled out the ILL request, and OCLC found the book in a Kansas library.

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I love, love, love the RDTPL! I used it so much in college (back in the old days before the internet  :) ) and when I worked in libraries, I would use my dinner break on occasion. I have notebooks full of references (packed away right now) and would then hunt down the articles through Interlibrary Loan (where I was lucky enough to work at one library) and now, sometimes, ebay. It's amazing how much old royalty was covered in such a variety of newspapers & magazines--unlike today where it's more of a niche. Sadly, the Reader's Guide is much harder to find now than when I was in college--it's usually just university & college libraries that carry it. Online databases often only go back a few decades--except for some newspaper archives.

OCLC is a great research tool for finding books. If you library gives access, definitely use it.

Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Marlene on March 17, 2006, 10:17:42 AM
Tsaria,  in all fairness, you are very good about jumping on me, rather than others.  But I tend to take it with a grain of salt.  To be perfectly honest,  all posters are not equal except in being created equal by God.  Some of us are more equal  than others (and I am not talking about me, particularly.)  I am not some giggly kid -- I am  serious researcher.  I do it for a living, and have certain letters after my name ... that does put me in a different queue than someone who is still in high school.  There are posters here who have huge private postcard collections,  larger than mine, for example.  That makes them more equal than me.  If we were all equal, we would all have the same things.  But we don't.  So we are not all equal.  

Never said my way is best ... but I do have that experience ... and a lot of it ...

whenever I see your "name," I am reminded of Tsaria, the lumbering st Bernard who lives next door, and the poor dear drools a lot.  But she is a sweet, affectionate pooch."

or;num=1142460265;start=0#16 date=03/17/06 at 08:43:06]Marlene

This is a discussion forum not a lecture theatre.  

I am sure many people value your work, but we do not need to be constantly reminded that your way is best.

Here we are all equals who share our opinions and knowledge without prejudice.

tsaria

 

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Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Janet on March 17, 2006, 10:33:57 AM
I just wanted to say that I purchased Marlene's book along with the companion update last year, having heard so much about it as a "must have".  That is certainly true.  I can only try to imagine the time and effort which went into collecting and choosing the pictures alone.

The funny thing is, that, although I've owned them nearly a year, they still haven't made it to my bookshelves!  They seem to need to stay on the table next to my couch, close at hand.   :D  
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Forum Admin on March 17, 2006, 10:48:34 AM
Marlene,
You were fine until comparing a Forum Moderator personally to a "lumbering, drooling St. Bernard..." you know full well personal attacks are not permitted.

Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: grandduchessella on March 17, 2006, 10:56:15 AM
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The NYT used to be a great source for royal events - weddings, births, obits, as was the AP (and a great many stories in the NYT and other papers were AP reports) - public libraries also have the Readers Guide and various other of the Wilson indexes.  However, many libraries now get the online version only, which you can use in the library, as opposed to in home access (licensing agreements rarely allow out of library access)


None of the libraries (public) around here has the RGTPL (which sort of surprised me since there are a number of libraries) and 2 of the librarians looked at me like I was crazy--they hadn't heard of it.  :o The online database just went back to about the 1960s. Luckily, William and Mary is only about 30 mins from here and they do carry it. At the base library, the ladies working at the Circulation Desk didn't know about OCLC when I asked about it and the Reference librarian was surprised that I knew about it, let alone how to work it. The public libraries don't have public access to OCLC so luckily the base does--still, they have a 30 mins rule for computer use so I have to go in well-prepared.  :)
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Tdora on March 17, 2006, 11:27:56 AM
Marlene, please:
The originator of this thread asked for information. Relentless self-congratulation and ill-disguised slights are not constructive.
Letters? How about: LL.B(Hons), LL.M, PGCE, RGN.
What are these in? All law bar the last (nursing). What does it matter? Masters but no doctorate - I had to work instead. Does that make me qualified enought to respond or not?

BTW I second grandduchessella's recommendation - I had it bookmarked and intended to add it to my post - but the kettle intervened. As it just seems to...
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Marlene on March 17, 2006, 11:40:54 AM
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Marlene,
You were fine until comparing a Forum Moderator personally to a "lumbering, drooling St. Bernard..." you know full well personal attacks are not permitted.




I didn't compare anyone to a St Bernard.  I said the name Tsaria reminded me of the St Bernhard next door.   No comparison.  
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Marlene on March 17, 2006, 11:43:17 AM


You are certainly more qualified to discuss nursing than I am, ... however, I am probably more qualified to discuss research methods ...
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Marlene, please:
The originator of this thread asked for information. Relentless self-congratulation and ill-disguised slights are not constructive.
Letters? How about: LL.B(Hons), LL.M, PGCE, RGN.
What are these in? All law bar the last (nursing). What does it matter? Masters but no doctorate - I had to work instead. Does that make me qualified enought to respond or not?

BTW I second grandduchessella's recommendation - I had it bookmarked and intended to add it to my post - but the kettle intervened. As it just seems to...

Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Tdora on March 17, 2006, 12:08:46 PM
There's a thread nearby, where the I-am-research-kahuna aggro has been gone through recently, and I see no point in repeating it. This isn't about research qualifications. Or any others. Although one doesn't get a Masters in Law without research ability.
A request was made for a site recommendation. Informing someone of one's own immeasurable superiority, only to add that this is not available to him, is the point. Why bother?
My first visit to Peerage.com was my last. According to them, Princess Andrew of Greece was surnamed Mountbatten.
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Arleen on March 17, 2006, 12:14:47 PM
YEAH Tdora!  A voice of reason and common sense among the......

Tho if I were Tsaria I wouldn't mind being called a dog, I simply adore ALL dogs.  Dogs being higher ups than people.

Arleen

Sorry Rob.....
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Tdora on March 17, 2006, 12:26:46 PM
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I didn't compare anyone to a St Bernard.  I said the name Tsaria reminded me of the St Bernhard next door.   No comparison.  

Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Tdora on March 17, 2006, 12:36:49 PM
No comparison....?
But why add the dogs characteristics? If we are to interpret Marlene's explanation as she would have us do, then I can't see why any info beyond the coincidence of names would be relevant. Particularly given the less-than-flattering description and the context in which it was posted.
Title: aRe: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Ssyentz on March 17, 2006, 02:42:24 PM
Good grief...can't we get back to the REAL subject...a request for recommendations regarding valid sources for researching QV's descendants...

Note...Source for reference to Princess Andrew as Mountbatten on thePeerage.com. comes from Burke's Peerage.  I think I remember (I must have my notes about that item somewhere around here...I shall look!) that when the Anglicizing of Battenberg took place, highlighting her relationship with her son, Prince Philip, was an item of interest.

Obviously, one source is never enough to substantiate validity.  That's why we've all found different sources on the web.  The more we refer to sources, the more we can discover...not only about the research subject at hand but also about the reliability of sources we find.
Referring, of course, means examining; it is not the equal of citing.  Such is the distinction between a bibliography and a list of works cited.
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Grace on March 17, 2006, 03:28:58 PM
This is the most entertaining the Windsor threads have been for some days, IMO.  Thank you to all concerned!  :D
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Forum Admin on March 17, 2006, 09:08:14 PM
If we are to believe Marlene's explanation, then I am certain she wouldn't mind my sharing what "Marlene" brings to mind when I see it... My father had a secretary named Marlene...a grossly overweight woman, of limited intelligence. A kind soul, very generous, not physically attractive, and not the brightest bulb in the chandelier...and needing to lose at least 100 pounds...But this isn't a comparison...right Marlene?
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Angie_H on March 17, 2006, 09:31:40 PM
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None of the libraries (public) around here has the RGTPL

I freely admit to being ignorant about somethings. What is RGTPL?
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Ssyentz on March 17, 2006, 11:55:29 PM
Oh please...stop the totally off-topic garbage.
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Prince_Lieven on March 18, 2006, 06:52:07 AM
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This is the most entertaining the Windsor threads have been for some days, IMO.  Thank you to all concerned!  :D


Ditto, Grace!  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: TampaBay on March 18, 2006, 07:20:13 AM
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I freely admit to being ignorant about somethings. What is RGTPL?


Reader's Guide to Peroidic Literature- It is an index of all published magazine article.  Luckily my home town public library has it.  I thought it was standard issue for all libraries.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Margarita Markovna on March 18, 2006, 08:46:43 AM
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  I thought it was standard issue for all libraries.


Unfortunately not, I have yet to see it at both my public library or my school library (which has as many reference materials as my public library ::) ).
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 18, 2006, 09:02:48 AM
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I just wanted to say that I purchased Marlene's book along with the companion update last year, having heard so much about it as a "must have".  That is certainly true.  I can only try to imagine the time and effort which went into collecting and choosing the pictures alone.


It sounds a marvellous book. I look forward to acquiring it, budget permitting   :D
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Cozy aka Susan Flanders, Writer of Queens on March 18, 2006, 09:35:44 AM
Margarita, I just wanted to thank you for including the link about Royals and the past. I just went on and signed up. I love the past, and this is the first group I've found. I'm so excited...

I'm enjoying all your discussions---please go ahead. Sorry for interupting...
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: grandduchessella on March 18, 2006, 12:49:29 PM
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I freely admit to being ignorant about somethings. What is RGTPL?


Sorry, it's the Reader's Guide to Periodic Literature.  :-[
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Angie_H on March 18, 2006, 06:48:43 PM
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Sorry, it's the Reader's Guide to Periodic Literature.  :-[

Ok, if my library has it. What exactly does it enable a person to do?
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Elizabeth_Leona on March 18, 2006, 07:31:46 PM
OOOH! I didn't realise that Marlene was The Marlene Eilers! I ordered her book and plan to order the companion to it sometime soon. Excellent reading.

thepeerage.com is one of the best out there and even then not very good. I spent all day everyday for four weeks going through that website I found mistakes and areas that I had my own info that they had nothing on.

here's another good site http://pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff/2005_1.html

Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: grandduchessella on March 18, 2006, 09:08:34 PM
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Ok, if my library has it. What exactly does it enable a person to do?


You can search for all the articles written in a particular period of time. For instance, if you wanted to see everything written about Queen Victoria in 1901, you would look up Queen Victoria and it would show notations for all the articles pertaining to her in that year. They are just notations--you'd have to chase down the magazines cited. There are a lot of volumes depending on how far back you want to search--I think it went back to the 1840s or 1850s but it's been awhile. Many of the magazines cited aren't even in existence anymore.
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Angie_H on March 18, 2006, 09:15:40 PM
Thanks GD Ella. This I probably would not use, since I am not a "serious or academic" researcher, just a person who is interested in this topic/era & loves to see pics of this era of royalty, but it is good to know. Thank you
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: emeraldeyes on March 18, 2006, 11:08:13 PM
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OOOH! I didn't realise that Marlene was The Marlene Eilers!



Oh yes, the one and only!
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: B5218 on March 19, 2006, 09:46:47 AM
f.y.i.  Not all libraries carry the Readers' Guide to Periodic Literature now that there are internet sources.  
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: grandduchessella on March 19, 2006, 10:00:10 AM
Yes, more's the pity. The online sources usually don't go back to the Victorian/Edwardian era. Newspaper archives do--such as the NYT and Washington Post--but not the magazine ones.
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: Alixz on March 19, 2006, 03:14:20 PM
I remember the Readers Guide to Periodic Literature.

It was all we had to use back in the "stone age".  What is the OCLC?

I think that RGTPL has lost favor because so many of the periodicals have ceased publication.

Royalty as a subject has also lost favor with the fall of so many royal houses.  It used to be an everyday topic and readers followed the stories like they do the movie stars of today.

I have Mrs. Koening's books and I think they are a very good source for all things Victoria and her descendents.
I found out much that I didn't know before.

It amazes me (and of course, I am amazed very easily) that there are thousands of descendents.  But of course with generations multiplying so rapidly and the size of past families, I guess it should be expected.

I just never thought about it until I read her books.
Title: Re: Queen Victoria's Descendants
Post by: grandduchessella on March 19, 2006, 04:23:54 PM
OCLC (I forget exactly what the acronym stands for, something like Online Computerized Library Catalog) is basically a database of all published books, and not just those in English. You could put in some like 'Queen Alexandra of Great Britain' and it would bring up publications on her--including some commemorative issues of magazines that have an ISBN number. It's a great system and makes ordering through Interlibrary Loan easier because you do have the ISBN number (which makes it much easier for librarians).

Talking about all this makes me miss my days of working in libraries--especially in Interlibrary Loan!  :)