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Discussions about the Alexander Palace => The Feodorovski Cathedral & Gorodok => Topic started by: Vladimir_V. on April 07, 2006, 01:22:57 PM

Title: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Vladimir_V. on April 07, 2006, 01:22:57 PM
The Feodorovsky Gosudarev (Sovereign`s) Cathedral consist of two churches: the upper church with the Saint Aleksey`s chapel and the lower (crypt) church with Alexandra`s private chapel.
The upper church (for 1000 people) was dedicated to the icon of the Feodorov Mother of God.

Plan of the upper church. Project. 1909. Architect V.A. Pokrovsky.
(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/upper-ch1.JPG)
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Vladimir_V. on April 07, 2006, 01:24:37 PM
Plan of the upper church. Project. 1909. Architect V.A. Pokrovsky.

(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/upper-ch2.JPG)
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Vladimir_V. on April 08, 2006, 12:41:36 PM
The entrances

1. The main entrance (western) with the mosaic panel “Feodorov Mother of God surrounded by Angels and Saints` faces”
2. The entrance for the officers (southern) with the mosaic icon St George the Victor
3. The entrance for the Imperial Family with the icons: St. Alexander Nevsky, Mary Magdalene, St. Czarina Alexandra
4. The entrance for the clergy
5. The entrance for the Imperial Guard and the Regiment (north entrance) with the mosaic icon Archangel Michael
6. The regular entrance (for officers` wives and others) with the mosaic icon St. Alexander Nevsky
7. The entrance for the Imperial Family to the crypt church with the mosaic icon St Serafim of Sarovsk the Miracle-Worker

(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/upper-ch3.JPG)
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Joanna on April 09, 2006, 07:45:54 PM
Many thanks Vladimir! It is marvelous to see the plan with the identification of the entrances for it has been confusing understanding the various photographs c1910s and c2000s. Are all open now for entry or will I go in from #1 and #7?

Joanna
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Vladimir_V. on April 10, 2006, 12:58:04 PM
The entrance #5 is open only. But … I think you understand that all depend on you ...
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Vladimir_V. on April 10, 2006, 12:59:29 PM
The main entrance. (White points – the snow.)

(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/upper-ch4.JPG)
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Vladimir_V. on April 10, 2006, 01:00:58 PM
The main entrance. The mosaic panel “Feodorov Mother of God surrounded by Angels and Saints”

(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/upper-ch5.JPG)
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Vladimir_V. on April 12, 2006, 11:46:46 AM
8. Tsar`s vestibule
9.Tsar`s hall (Room for waiting)
10. The place of the Imperial family
11. The east wall (apse) with the mosaic icon God Almighty

(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/upper-ch7.JPG)

Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Vladimir_V. on April 13, 2006, 11:36:44 AM
The east wall (apse) of the Feodorovsky Cathedral

(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/upper-ch8.JPG)

Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Vladimir_V. on April 13, 2006, 11:39:48 AM
The mosaic icon God Almighty

(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/upper-ch9.JPG)

Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: BobAtchison on April 25, 2006, 10:09:15 PM
Amazing - thank you Vladimir!  It's time we did a website just for the Feodorovski Sobor - would you like to help?

Any other volunteers?
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Vladimir_V. on April 26, 2006, 01:17:55 PM
Thank you, Bob. I will be glad if my help is useful.
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: ChristineM on April 26, 2006, 03:31:41 PM
Entrances to the Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Sobor -

No.1   The Great West Door is open on holydays
No.3   The Tsar's Porch is used by the clergy
No.5   General entrance to the Upper Church

Work is continuing apace in both the Upper and Lower Churches.   Currently the Lower Church is closed while murals and fabric are applied to the walls of the refectory etc.   There are plans to open a Guest House which will connect with the Crypt Church.   This will provide a very special shelter to up to four visiting pilgrims.

The Tsar's Study has been restored.

Work is continuing on the iconostasis of the Upper Church.   A new floor has been laid and the walls have been plastered but are not yet decorated.  

There are up to three services every day in the Upper Church.   On Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays, in excess of 800 Orthodox Christians receive the Holy Sacrament   This forms a small percentage of the total numbers attending.   Orthodox Believers are not required to receive the Sacrament on a weekly or even monthly basis.

Bob's idea to create a website specifically for the Feodorovsky Sobor would be hugely appreciated by Father Markell and his congregation.   One of whom we may discuss later.

tsaria

Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: BobAtchison on April 26, 2006, 04:05:05 PM
Vladmir:

Please contact me on my regular email boba@pallasweb.com so we can discuss what we can do with Christine.

Bob
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Mazukov on April 27, 2006, 10:12:41 PM
I,wouldn't mind helping out. just let me know what you need.
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Vladimir_V. on April 29, 2006, 01:10:24 PM
#12 His Imperial Majesty`s Private Infantry Regiment
#13 His Imperial Majesty`s Private Escort (Cossacks)
#14 The Staircase to the Crypt
#15 The Staircase to the Crypt and the Gallery
#16 The Staircase to the Belfry

(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/upper-ch14.JPG)
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Vladimir_V. on April 29, 2006, 01:13:45 PM
M.Kirsanov. Feodorovsky Sovereign`s Cathedral. Church service in the presence of Nicholas II. 1910th.
(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/upper-ch15.JPG)
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Tania+ on April 29, 2006, 02:58:42 PM
I want to thank you all for the wonderful detail of the plans, and beautiful pictures of the mosaics, as well the whole of the church you have provided for members of the AP. Each time I look at this church, i well up in tears, fpr it strikes me in every cord of my being. It is such a beautiful church. Words cannot begin to express the feelings it brings to one's heart. How I wish i could see it in person. But it's so nice to be able to view it in it's entirity at all, and I am very appreciative to all the trouble you have each gone through to bring us view(s) and how the work is progressing. Thank you again.

Tatiana+

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Entrances to the Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Sobor -

No.1   The Great West Door is open on holydays
No.3   The Tsar's Porch is used by the clergy
No.5   General entrance to the Upper Church

Work is continuing apace in both the Upper and Lower Churches.   Currently the Lower Church is closed while murals and fabric are applied to the walls of the refectory etc.   There are plans to open a Guest House which will connect with the Crypt Church.   This will provide a very special shelter to up to four visiting pilgrims.

The Tsar's Study has been restored.

Work is continuing on the iconostasis of the Upper Church.   A new floor has been laid and the walls have been plastered but are not yet decorated.  

There are up to three services every day in the Upper Church.   On Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays, in excess of 800 Orthodox Christians receive the Holy Sacrament   This forms a small percentage of the total numbers attending.   Orthodox Believers are not required to receive the Sacrament on a weekly or even monthly basis.

Bob's idea to create a website specifically for the Feodorovsky Sobor would be hugely appreciated by Father Markell and his congregation.   One of whom we may discuss later.

tsaria

Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Vladimir_V. on May 05, 2006, 01:38:30 PM
#17 The iconostasis
#18 The main altar
#19 The altar of the Saint Alexei`s side-chapel

(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/upper-ch18.JPG)

Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Vladimir_V. on May 08, 2006, 12:50:04 PM
The central part of the iconostasis. 1910th. (The photograph was published in the journal: St Petersburg Eparhialnye vedomosti, #24, 2001.)

(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/upper-ch19.JPG)
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Vladimir_V. on May 12, 2006, 12:27:20 PM
Location of Icons in the Central Part of the Iconostasis

(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/upper-ch16.JPG)


1. Prophet Daniel
2. Prophet Jeremiah
3. Prophet Samuel
4. Prophet David
5. God Carried by Angels
6. Prophet Elijah
7. Prophet Moses
8. Prophet Isaiah
9. Prophet Ezekiel

10. St. Maxim the Confessor
11. St. Peter of Athos
12. St. John Damaskin
13. St. Onuphrius
14. The Virgin
15. St. Anthony of Egypt
16. St. Pachomius the Great
17. St. Ioann Lestvichnik
18. St. Ephrem Sirin

19. The Apostle Andrew
20. The Apostle Paul
21. Archangel Raphael
22. The Virgin
23. Savior on the throne
24. John the Baptist
25. Archangel Michael
26. Apostle Peter
27. Apostle John

28. Candlemas
29. Baptizing Christ
30. Transfiguration
31. Entrance into Jerusalem
32. Archangel
33. Last Supper
34. Archangel
35. Crucifixion
36. Laying in Coffin
37. Descending into Hell
38. Resurrection

39. St. Alexis of Moscow
40. Archangel Gabriel
41. The Virgin of Vladimir
42. God Almighty
43. Archangel Michael
44. The icon of the Fyodorov Mother of God

Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Joanna on May 14, 2006, 07:27:05 PM
Many many thanks Vladimir for all your time and translation work on the Iconostasis. It is a memory to treasure always to have seen the work in progress of the restoration of the Iconostasis and the displayed plan.

Entrance #1 was open last Friday and is another memory to treasure standing there looking to the left at the trees planted by Nicholas II.

Joanna
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Vladimir_V. on May 16, 2006, 12:37:53 PM
Central part of the iconostasis. The left side of the photograph.

(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/upper-ch20.JPG)

Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Vladimir_V. on May 16, 2006, 12:44:58 PM
Center

(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/upper-ch21.JPG)

Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Vladimir_V. on May 16, 2006, 12:48:53 PM
Central part of the iconostasis. The right side of the photograph.

(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/upper-ch23.JPG)

Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Vladimir_V. on July 29, 2006, 12:04:26 PM
The icon “Prophet Samuel” (3) was found. Today we can see it and one more extant icon from the upper row (prophets` row) near the iconostasis at the right wall.
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Nemos on August 05, 2006, 10:17:04 AM
http://geglov2.narod.ru/Spravka/Ferm_p/Ferm_p_s_001.html
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: vladm on August 05, 2006, 12:02:26 PM
Dear Geglov, it's a touchier for all if us go to narod.ru website! You have, excellent information and nice site, but PLEASE, MOVE TO NORMAL HOSTING!!!
None of the foreign visitors have a patience and time go farther, than 3 pages of your site. You will significantly increase traffic, and visibility!

Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Forum Admin on August 05, 2006, 12:21:23 PM
Glad to know it is not just me that can't access that site. I have had the same trouble with the Pushkin Chamber of Commerce site. I have NEVER been able to get the pages to load at all, I either get a message telling me to use Explorer or  the page loads about a third then locks up...I gave up on it years ago.

Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Vladimir_V. on August 06, 2006, 08:12:09 AM
Strange. I have not any problems with this site and I think it is one of the best site of
Tsarskoe Selo, (http://geglov2.narod.ru/Foto/Sentr/Sentr_f.htm)
 the Alexander Palace (http://geglov2.narod.ru/Foto/Aleks_p/Aleks_p_f.htm)
and the Feodorovsky Cathedral (http://geglov2.narod.ru/Foto/Ferm_p/Ferm_p_f_a.htm).
There are a lot of rare WWII photographs. (http://geglov2.narod.ru/Foto/Sentr/leont_02_02.html)
Nicholas II (http://geglov2.narod.ru/Foto/Raznoe/Nikolay_II_1913_03.htm)

Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: vladm on August 06, 2006, 10:01:33 AM
Dear Vladimir,
Our speed of internet at home, significantly faster, than your speed of the modem in Russia, approximately 200 times (I have at home 5.5 MBs), also for my understanding current owner of narod.ru - Yandex, engages QoS for foreign traffic, meaning, I can not have more than one stream of http traffic, as well is my stream, slower than 14kbs per one connection, and I am not an exception, I tested this with multiple providers. As much you would like to share findings of yours, with community, this is pretty much useless, because no one go there. After first attempt to open web, if within 20 seconds window, will not get open, users give up. So, I can consider your links, good only for one thing – boost the "search rating" of geglov's website, and this is again useless, because of the speed problem.
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Vladimir_V. on August 06, 2006, 11:34:48 AM
I was so happy when I found this marvelous site (my friend from Canada sent me the link): http://geglov2.narod.ru/
Solve your internet problems and, I am sure, you do not regret.
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: vladm on August 07, 2006, 07:26:42 AM
Vladimir, either you trying on purpose misinterprets me, or you just did not comprehend a single word I communicate in previous message. In any case, good luck to you enjoying this site by yourself.
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: ChristineM on August 08, 2006, 05:20:39 PM
Thankyou Vladimir V for offering the link to this excellent site.   In the UK it only requires a few seconds patience and it is well worth the wait.

tsaria
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Mazukov on August 08, 2006, 09:37:25 PM
Vladimir V. I’ll have to admit that, even though excellent presentation of photographs. I do however find I’m in agreement with Vladm, Load time had been extremely long. I’m on  cable /broadband even with that, it’s length in load time had been discouraging. The intent is honest,What good is taking the time to present your work if most people end up getting discouraged thus leaving without ever seeing presentation.
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: ChristineM on August 09, 2006, 05:51:39 AM
Should this debate not take place in a thread devoted to technical problems?   I certainly found that a little patience overcame the problem and the results were worth the wait.   Those who want to wait, will wait.   Those who either do not have the time or the patience, will move on.   At least we have the choice.   

The subject for discussion here is the Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral - a subject of infinitely more importance, value and interest than discussion of the intricacies of IT.

tsaria   
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: vladm on August 09, 2006, 09:04:10 AM
Actually, I managed to measure average download speed from narod.ru site. 2 MB file, was clocked to 180 min (3 hours), so each of the 11.1 Kb equal 1 min of the download. Average page equal to 120 Kb .html file, including images, now speed of the download equal 10.8 min, and plus delays for each of the request between browser and web server, comes up to about 13-15 min per page, and this is only thumb view for images. Each of the images roughly 80 Kb size. So, in order to see the 1 page of the web site, I have to spend entire day sitting in front of the computer.
Now, I am repeating, I offered for free to Geglov, move his site to my server.
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: BobAtchison on August 09, 2006, 02:05:06 PM
It is incredibly slow to load.  - Vladimir - would you like to upload a copy to our servers?  That would be a lot faster.

Also, we just found and bought an 18th century cross from the collection the Alexandra had pinned to the alcove in her prayer/passage along side the apse in the lower church of the Fydorovsky.  It had been sold in the Hammer in the sales across the USA in 1935.  They attached a silver chain to it from 1750 that came from the chapel in the Imperial bedroom at the AP.  The cross and chain came with all the documents from the 30's.  We found it on Ebay and were able to buy it fpor a great price, the sellar had a 'buy it now' option which was expensive but not too bad.  I had to have it.

That makes three things we have that were Alix's or given by her - a paperknife in birch with inlaid gold and silver, this cross and chain, and a small ikon of St. Serafim of Sarov that Alix handed out personally to troops in WWI. We have a fragment of material from the Mauve Room, some Alexander Palace plates, a big silver spoon presented at Christmas by Empress Marie to one of her servants - stuff like that.

Also, I have a large amount of soil from the grave in Yekaterinburg that Avdonin gave me in 1997 when I went there.

Bob
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Vladimir_V. on August 09, 2006, 02:36:34 PM
It is incredibly slow to load.  - Vladimir - would you like to upload a copy to our servers? 
That would be a lot faster.
Bob
Thank you for your suggestion. Unfortunately I can not.
It is private Russian website, but not my.
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Joanna on October 22, 2006, 12:13:32 AM
Three views c1912 of the Iconostasis to add to the incredible research/drawings by Vladimir V:

http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2001198166
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2001198220
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2001198193

Chandelier in the Upper Church:
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2001198355

Joanna
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: ChristineM on October 22, 2006, 06:14:10 AM
Vladimir and Joanna are recreating the glories of the Feodorovsky Sobor on this Forum.   While, alongside, Father Markel struggles to recreate them a second time.   

Thanks be to God.

tsaria
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Vladimir_V. on January 11, 2007, 01:14:12 PM
The book, that was published by Feodorovsky Cathedral:
Feodorovsky Cathedral. 1915. 198 pages. v.1 (Crypt Church)

(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/book-FC1.jpg)

(http://www.geocities.com/aa468aa2/book-FC2.jpg)


Unfortunately volume 2 (the Upper Church) was not published.
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: TheAce1918 on March 28, 2007, 09:31:22 PM
I am assuming that this book is obviously out of print and is technically of value to museums?  Otherwise, I might go on the hunt for this one!
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Nemos on March 29, 2007, 02:40:04 AM
Полностью переснята смотреть...
Is completely made a copy to look...

http://geglov2.narod.ru/Spravka/Ferm_p/Ferm_p_s_001.html
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Nemos on March 29, 2007, 04:47:53 AM
Полностью переснята смотреть...
Is completely made a copy to look...

http://geglov2.narod.ru/Spravka/Ferm_p/Ferm_p_s_001.html

http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom/2025.html

http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom/1511.html
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Nemos on March 29, 2007, 04:52:40 AM
И маленький вопрос, кто-нибудь слышал о  подземном ходе (вентиляция) из пещерного храма на берег пруда.
And the small question, heard somebody about a underground course (ventilation) from a cave temple on coast of a pond.
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: ChristineM on March 29, 2007, 07:28:00 AM
Very many thanks for posting your links, Geglov2-3.

The late Alexander Kedrinksy (whose father was a priest at the Feodorovsky Sobor) worked along with Father Markell to try to locate the original drains when, during the course of the reconstruction of the Lower Church, they confronted considerable dampness and flooding problems.   By reverting to the original drains, hopefully these problems have been permanently overcome.

tsaria
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: Nemos on March 29, 2007, 07:57:10 AM
Просто я лазил в 70-х по этому ходу когда играли в пятнашки.
Simply I climbed in 70 on this course when played пятнашки.
Title: Re: The Upper Church of the Feodorovsky Cathedral
Post by: hikaru on March 30, 2007, 12:58:18 AM
А почему бы не спросить у настоятеля про подземный ход ;)
Maybe, you should ask the present priest about the channel?