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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Windsors => Topic started by: toddy on April 28, 2006, 10:55:39 PM

Title: Buckingham palace
Post by: toddy on April 28, 2006, 10:55:39 PM
Does anyone have a description or layout of Buckingham Palace? or anything about this Royal Residence?
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Prince_Christopher on April 28, 2006, 11:28:03 PM
I'm glad this thread got started.  I had been thinking about a similar one but wasn't sure where to put it.

I love to look at the floor plans of the Russian palaces, and was wondering about some of the English royal homes.

I would like to see plans for Osborne House, Balmoral, and the house that the Yorks lived in before WWII, I think it was on Picadilly?

Also, Brook House, the house Edwina Mountbatten inherited from her grandfather.

Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: CHRISinUSA on May 01, 2006, 11:59:17 AM
As a fellow "floor plan junkie", I would love to see a complete floor plan of Buckingham Palace.  I have a guidebook and it has the State Rooms, but would love the whole enchalada - including the private apartments, offices, kitchens, etc.!  I know security is an issue, but heck, the White House floor plan (even the private floors) are available on the web - I"m sure somebody has BPs!

For Prince Christopher, there are pretty good floor plans of Osborne House, Balmoral, Kensington, and even Carlton House on other threads.  Use the search function on the forum - it works well.  Good luck finding the Picadilly Square house - it was destroyed in the Blitz and as it was mostly a private home, I doubt its plans are floating around.

Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: toddy on May 02, 2006, 01:31:14 AM
back in my home state of idaho , the public library had a book on buckingham palace , and the book showed the ground floor and the 1st floor even the private apartments....It was a great old book.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: TampaBay on May 03, 2006, 05:37:36 AM
Why was the building torm down?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Leuchtenberg on May 03, 2006, 06:33:46 AM
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Why was the building torm down?

TampaBay

I was told that the building had been converted to offices over time.  Plans were made for a totally residental development and apparently it was cheaper to start from scratch than to reconvert the structure.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Eddie_uk on May 03, 2006, 07:52:46 AM
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Why was the building torm down?

TampaBay

I was told that the building had been converted to offices over time.  Plans were made for a totally residental development and apparently it was cheaper to start from scratch than to reconvert the structure.

Usual story :( so sad. Gone forever now...
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Leuchtenberg on May 03, 2006, 01:31:08 PM
Of the photos I posted above, only one remains.  Apparently someone complained to the photo host I use that they were a copyright violation and the host yanked them from the site.  Gee, I wonder who could have tattled?  As if I don't have some idea.

Should anyone wish to see the plans and three photos of Brook House, contact me and I shall provide them to you.

Sorry about this.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Prince_Christopher on May 03, 2006, 06:36:20 PM
Let me get this right....the remaining picture is NOT Brook House.  Brook House was the building that was in this spot before this building was built.  Am I correct?

If so, what is this building called and is it still standing?
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Leuchtenberg on May 03, 2006, 07:39:55 PM
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Let me get this right....the remaining picture is NOT Brook House.  Brook House was the building that was in this spot before this building was built.  Am I correct?

If so, what is this building called and is it still standing?

The original Brook House that Edwina Ashley inherited was formed out of I believe, two townhouses and expanded by Sir Ernest Cassel.  Edwina sold that house and it was demolished and a block of flats was erected with the Mountbattens occupying the top two floors.  The block of flats was named Brook House in memory of the demolished mansion.  It is this Brook House that is pictured.

After the Second World War, the Brook House block of flats shown was divided into numerous commercial and office occupancies. About nine years ago demolition of the structure was begun.  And in it's place rose another block of residential flats.  I do not think the "new" building is named Brook House, but I cannot say for sure.

Regardless, the Brook House in the photo is the one that existed from the mid 1930s until the mid 1990s.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Prince_Christopher on May 03, 2006, 08:13:09 PM
Thank you for clearing that up.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: StefanOlson on May 11, 2006, 05:52:10 PM
There is a ground floor plan of Buckingham Palace available online at http://www.palacevirtualtours.com/bptour/. The tour that the floorplan is part of is also available for purchase and contains zoomable versions of the ground and principal floors.

...Stefan
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: gleb on May 12, 2006, 09:52:01 AM
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back in my home state of idaho , the public library had a book on buckingham palace , and the book showed the ground floor and the 1st floor even the private apartments....It was a great old book.


Can you, please, tell us the title of that book?

Thanks
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: gleb on May 12, 2006, 09:53:43 AM
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There is a ground floor plan of Buckingham Palace available online at http://www.palacevirtualtours.com/bptour/. The tour that the floorplan is part of is also available for purchase and contains zoomable versions of the ground and principal floors.

...Stefan

Have you bought it?

Can you tell us something?

Thanks
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: toddy on May 12, 2006, 07:16:52 PM
The book was called "The story of Buckingham Palace"
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: gleb on May 13, 2006, 01:40:38 PM
can you tell me the author, the year and the publisher.

Thanks
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: StefanOlson on May 15, 2006, 10:25:59 PM
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There is a ground floor plan of Buckingham Palace available online at http://www.palacevirtualtours.com/bptour/. The tour that the floorplan is part of is also available for purchase and contains zoomable versions of the ground and principal floors.

...Stefan

Have you bought it?

Can you tell us something?

Thanks


My company produces the virtual tour so I can comment in a biased fashion. :)
The plans are exceptionally detailed you can zoom in and see the names and size of each room, including the private apartments. It is the only plan with this level of detail that I am aware of.

If you have any further questions, please let me know.

...Stefan
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: edwardcharles on July 09, 2006, 01:24:39 PM
I wanted to ask has anyone ever visted the palace and are u aloud to take pictures? and i also wanted to know if anyone has any pictures of the grand staircase at the palace or any other state rooms.

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: boffer on July 10, 2006, 02:17:16 PM
You are not allowed to take pictures of the state rooms - you have to buy the guide book in order to have pictures of these rooms but it is my belief that you are allowed to take pictures of the areas of the gardens which you are allowed in.

The Forecourt
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/BuckinghamPalace.jpg)
The Garden Facade
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/BuckinghamPalace-GardenFacade.jpg)
Ariel View
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/BuckinghamPalace-ArielView.jpg)
The Enterance Hall
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/96139856.jpg)(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/ad90f126.jpg)
The Green Drawingroom
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/BuckinghamPalace-GreenDrawingRoomBl.jpg)(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/BuckinghamPalace-TheGreenDrawingRoo.jpg)
The Throne Room
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/BuckinghamPalace-TheThroneRoom.jpg)
The White Drawingroom
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/aa529883.jpg)(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/0734633b.jpg)(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/d498e451.jpg)
The Music room
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/BuckinghamPalace-TheMusicRoom.jpg)
The Picture Gallery
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/BuckinghamPalace-ThePictureGallery.jpg)
The East Gallery (under Picture Gallery)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/71a33932.jpg)
The State Staircase
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/BuckinghamPalace-TheGrandStaircase.jpg)
The Guard Room
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/BuckinghamPalace-TheGuardRoom.jpg)
The Bow Room
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/BuckinghamPalace-TheBowRoom.jpg)
The State Dinning room
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/BuckinghamPalace-TheStateDiningRoom.jpg)
The Blue Drawing Room
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/BuckinghamPalace-TheBlueDrawingRoom.jpg)
The Chinese Drawingroom
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/93997d2a.jpg)
The Balcony Room
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/5d0f0a95.jpg)
Ballroom Corridor
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/363dd3f5.jpg)
Ballroom
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/BuckinghamPalace-TheBallRoomstateBa.jpg)(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/BuckinghamPalace-TheBallRoom.jpg)
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Charlieee on July 29, 2006, 11:33:09 AM
Wow! It is a beautiful building! I went past it one evening during a school trip to London last year (although I didn't really see it because I was sitting backwards in a black cab taxi and couldn't get a good view)
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: gleb on September 18, 2006, 01:57:23 PM
I found this ground floor plan in a book, maybe it can of some interest for you, even if it is a bit old.
As you can see the new ballroom is still missing (on the left)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Zpl1.jpg)
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: gleb on September 18, 2006, 02:00:23 PM
I tried to draw the first floor, with the infos in my possession. Every suggestion is welcome.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Hpll.jpg)
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: CHRISinUSA on September 18, 2006, 04:13:30 PM
Wow, thanks Gleb, I'v been hunting for something like that forever.  Of course, I might have to buy the software from Stefan to get this, but if anyone has labeled rooms for free (sorry Stefan, but times are tough!) I'd appreciate it!!!!

Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: ChristineM on September 18, 2006, 04:35:53 PM
The floor plan is fascinating, but it raises, for me, an interesting question.    Given that, on formal occasions, the family and guests alight from their carriages at the porte cochere, it is a considerable journey to walk from there all the way back to the palace balcony as they do after weddings, trooping of the colour and etc.   Does anyone have an idea of the route taken?

tsaria 
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: gleb on September 19, 2006, 10:55:30 AM
Wow, thanks Gleb, I'v been hunting for something like that forever.

First of all I want to make clear that this plan shows the Royal app. as it was in QV's time, and now it is a bit different becouse it was altered by KE VII and QA. For example the Queen's bedroom was enlarged as you can see in many books, and as you can see (even nowadays) by looking at the northern facade of the Palace two bathrooms were added.

If you are looking for a labeled plan of the palace I can suggest you the book "Dinner at Buckingham Palace by Oliver,I mean it is just a scheme but it useful, to my opinion.


Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: gleb on September 19, 2006, 11:02:12 AM
Of course, I might have to buy the software from Stefan to get this, but if anyone has labeled rooms for free (sorry Stefan, but times are tough!) I'd appreciate it!!!!

You are right it is so very expansive, I wanted to buy it but then I gave up and decided to draw it myself, using my informations.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: gleb on September 19, 2006, 11:13:38 AM
The floor plan is fascinating, but it raises, for me, an interesting question.    Given that, on formal occasions, the family and guests alight from their carriages at the porte cochere, it is a considerable journey to walk from there all the way back to the palace balcony as they do after weddings, trooping of the colour and etc.   Does anyone have an idea of the route taken?

tsaria 

There are two possibilities:


First: guests use the Princes stairs which is near the Chinese Luncheon room, or the Equerry staircase which is near the Yellow drawing room at the end of the household corridor.

Second: they use the main staircase and then they reach the Balcony room using the household corridor and a part of the Principal corridor.

Anyway in Burrel's book he writes that guests passed near him, and he was in the Queen's study or near that room ( I don't remember), so they must have used the so called King's corridor which is along the Royal app.
I hope it helps.

These are just  conjectures of mine, but they are very likely.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: ChristineM on September 19, 2006, 11:33:21 AM
Thanks Gleb.   Whatever - it was a very long walk especially for someone encumbered with crown and robes or a wedding dress with a 25 foot long train + veil etc!

tsaria
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: amedeo on September 22, 2006, 09:54:47 AM
I think Buck'am first floor plan belongs to the Victorian age, Gleb can you tell me something more about it ?
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: gleb on September 29, 2006, 01:37:46 PM
I think Buck'am first floor plan belongs to the Victorian age, Gleb can you tell me something more about it ?

As I said in a previous post it shows how it was at the time of QV.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on June 12, 2007, 06:38:41 PM
Why do so many monarchs and their consorts, everybody from Queen Victoria and Prince Albert to Queen Alexandra to King George V to Queen Elizabeth and the Duke of Edinburgh seem to dislike the palace so much.  It really seems nice, I would enjoy living there.   ;D

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: grandduchessella on June 12, 2007, 10:12:51 PM
Wasn't there a comment by someone that it was rather cold (not temperature-wise) and it was hard to feel at home there?
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on June 13, 2007, 05:11:26 AM
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Wasn't there a comment by someone that it was rather cold (not temperature-wise) and it was hard to feel at home there?

It was certainly a step up from St. James!
In the picture of the Green Room posted by Boffer, above the door to the throne room it looks like the portrait is that of Infanta Isabella Clara Eugenia and Infanta Catalina Michela by Sofonisba Anguissola.  Does anybody know when this picture was obtained from Spain?  Something else, another portrait of Isabella Clara Eugenia by Frans Probus the Younger is hanging in Hampton Court. 
 
-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: TampaBay on June 13, 2007, 05:37:18 AM
You do not get to see all the rooms in the guide books on any given day.  Only about a quater were open on the day I went. 

Also the rooms open to the public and rooms with exhibits were quite dirty.  All the pictures needed a good cleaning and some of the walls needed a coat or two of paint.

BP does not look or feel as if anyone really lives there.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Martyn on June 13, 2007, 11:55:18 AM
You do not get to see all the rooms in the guide books on any given day.  Only about a quater were open on the day I went. 

Also the rooms open to the public and rooms with exhibits were quite dirty.  All the pictures needed a good cleaning and some of the walls needed a coat or two of paint.

BP does not look or feel as if anyone really lives there.

TampaBay

Yep, I'll second that.

I have been twice in two years.  The place is like a barracks with too much gilding and very little in the way of good taste.  Some great portraits, most of them in need of a good clean.

Plus, you get herded in like cattle, kicked out through yet another gift shop full of tat and end up miles form anywhere handy.

It would have to be either wild horses or a REALLY good exhibition to get me in there again.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: TampaBay on June 14, 2007, 06:00:37 AM
The palace to see is the Palace of Monanco,

Beautiful!  The Grimaldi Palace  looks like a place a king or prince would live.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Martyn on June 14, 2007, 06:23:09 AM
I forgot to add that I think that it is such a bland building from the front.  We have town halls that have more character......

Next year Windsor - I'm sure that will be a much more enjoyable experience.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: ChristineM on June 28, 2007, 07:31:47 AM
Buckingham Palace is falling down, falling down, falling down............

Seriously, the stonework is in peril.   Lumps of it are falling off.   One piece - the 'size of a shoebox' landed on (or near) the Princess Royal's car.   She wasn't in it - the car - at the time.   The archway through which the Queen drives either in her car or carriage, is crumbling.   The Department of Health and Safety have been called in.  They are in debate with the Department of Culture about who should be funding the maintenance.   Meanwhile, every time the Queen, or whoever, drives through that archway, they are taking their lives in their hands.

(Now, that could have presented us with a particularly interesting and exciting predicament yesterday! - old/new prime ministers and their spouses and the baisemains)

To secure the exterior fabric £5,000,000 requires to be spent over the next three years.

tsaria
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Alexander1917 on June 28, 2007, 10:20:59 AM
BP is in no way comparablke with Windsor, remember there was the great fire in 1992 and now all the state rooms are new and you can see this. The silk walls are fresh, the gold glittering and also the oak (?) of the ceiling (St. Geroge's Hall) is new.

I think the last great restauration of BP was around shortly after WWII.

BUT despite all this.. I LOVE BP!!!
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: dmitri on July 07, 2007, 11:45:52 AM
I've been to the Palace twice as an invited guest. You are not allowed to bring a camera.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Martyn on July 09, 2007, 07:47:44 AM
I've been to the Palace twice as an invited guest. You are not allowed to bring a camera.

And I'll bet good money that you didn't get herded through like an item of livestock, Dmitri!!  ;)

As I said before, I will think long and hard before I part with good money to get in there again (and it's not cheap either!)
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Richard_Maybery on July 15, 2007, 05:32:18 AM
The thing which stuck in my mind when I visited Buckingham Palace 3 three years ago were what seemed to be water stains on one of the banquettes in the Picture Gallery. It seemed incongruous, somehow. On the whole, it was quite an enjoyable tour and I would certainly do it again.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Martyn on September 09, 2007, 06:09:49 AM
Well maybe it's worth doing one of those tours for 60 quid a ticket.  It rather depends as well on how well informed the guides are.  The last time that I went there, I had questions about some of the pictures that no one seemed able to answer, which was a bit frustrating.

I think that I would much prefer to pay the extra, had I any further interest in visiting that gilded barracks, as opposed to paying the current ticket price and being crushed nearly to extinction and herded like livestock.........
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: dmitri on September 09, 2007, 09:00:17 AM
Perhaps it should be remembered that it is not long ago that the Palace was not open to tourists at all. It is not surprising it is a popular place to visit. I remember people were herded through the Tower of London. I wonder whether this has improved since the opening of the new Jewel House?
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Martyn on September 09, 2007, 10:56:27 AM
Perhaps it should be remembered that it is not long ago that the Palace was not open to tourists at all. It is not surprising it is a popular place to visit. I remember people were herded through the Tower of London. I wonder whether this has improved since the opening of the new Jewel House?


Perhaps it should be remembered that it should have been open to the public long before it was!  I do find it surprising that so many people wish to visit, as the experience can hardly be described as pleasurable.

This year I went to Hampton Court, for the first time, which was such a pleasant and interesting experience.  Such a beautiful place and so peaceful....
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: dmitri on September 09, 2007, 12:51:11 PM
I know what you mean about Hampton Court. It though is a touch more off the beaten track and is not a working royal palace. It is still though very interesting. I guess Windsor Castle is my favourite. I find its history more fascinating. No wonder The Queen likes escaping there on weekends as often as possible.   
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Belochka on September 10, 2007, 01:13:31 AM
I know what you mean about Hampton Court. It though is a touch more off the beaten track and is not a working royal palace. It is still though very interesting. I guess Windsor Castle is my favourite. I find its history more fascinating. No wonder The Queen likes escaping there on weekends as often as possible.   

Having been to both Hampton Court and Windsor castle using my British Heritage Pass, I tend to agree that Windsor Castle is far more interesting to visit.

Margarita
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: TampaBay on April 03, 2008, 05:25:58 AM
What Monarch was the first to use Buck House as the offiicial London residence? 

In the HBO mini-series John Adams, Mr, Adams is presented to George III.  I take for granted the presenatation to court took place at St. James Palace.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Lucien on April 03, 2008, 05:52:44 AM
QV.

Ambassadors are still accredited to the Court of St.James.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: CHRISinUSA on April 03, 2008, 08:45:07 AM
Originally known as Buckingham House (home of the Dukes of Buckingham), the palace was purchased by George III in 1761 for 21,000 pounds.  The King wanted to use it as a family home rather than a palace, and it was particularly associated with Queen Charlotte, for whom the house was rennamed (The Queen's House).

After mulling over whether or not to build a new London palace, George IV decided to expand The Queen's House into proper palace, as a place to hold court functions.  It was greatly expanded over the next decades, with the block of new state rooms added to the western facade, and new north and south wings built.

William IV decided to not move to Buckingham Palace when he suceeded in 1830, and he remained at Clarence House, adjoining St. James' Palace.  He continued to use St. James' State Rooms for court purposes.

Finally, upon her ascension in 1837, Queen Victoria immediately moved to Buckingham Palace - fresh from the builders' hands - and it became the principal London residence of the monarch.  Victoria added the east wing (the "front" of Buckingham Palace), as well as the Ball Room and Ball Supper Room wing at the southwest corner.  St. James continued to be considered the monarch's "official residence", the court to which ambassador's are accredited, and court ceremonies continued to be held there, but gradually the role of the palace in court life has declined. 

Today, St. James is still the "official" residence of the monarch, but in name only.  The palace houses apartments of royal family members, and offices of various royal household departments.  The state rooms are still used for some state entertaining, but all key court activities have - since Victoria's reign - occurred at Buckingham Palace or Windsor Castle.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Margarita Markovna on April 03, 2008, 03:47:34 PM
QV wrote in her diary the morning that she was to leave Kensington Palace and move into Buckingham Palace something along the lines of being nostalgic but happy to move on. Escaping the clutches of her mother, eh? Anyway, when did she decide to live there? It seemed to be a given.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: edwardcharles on April 22, 2008, 12:06:41 PM
I know this may seem random but does anyone have any idea how big or long the grand staircase is at Buckingham Palace is it biggest staircase in England?
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: grandduchessella on April 22, 2008, 06:29:28 PM
I've merged the BP thread started today with the prior existing one.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Windsor on April 23, 2008, 02:06:33 PM
Glad to see this thread still active.  BP is such a facinating place!  Does anyone know how "modern" its modern facilities such as bathrooms are?  Seeing how even average homes nowadays have luxury baths with soaking tubs, marble, etc. it would interesting to know just how "palatial" these areas are in comparison.  Any pictures?
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Nikola on June 01, 2008, 08:06:29 AM
Please, does any of you can scean pages of Buckingham palace Guide book, with information about palace State Room's (the text about rooms is a very important for me)?
I will be very happy.
Thanks very much
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Marc on June 01, 2008, 04:51:25 PM
I was watching on TV some of their private rooms in BP(I think it was the Duke of York's bedroom for example)...Apart from state rooms,it looks nothing special or rather modest...from what I have seen!
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: architect on August 03, 2008, 03:38:39 PM
I have some great floor plans of Buckingham Palace if anyone is interested, I can post them (ground and first floor) and they are labeled. 
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: gleb on August 04, 2008, 12:07:14 PM
I was watching on TV some of their private rooms in BP(I think it was the Duke of York's bedroom for example)...Apart from state rooms,it looks nothing special or rather modest...from what I have seen!

Which tv programme were you watching?
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: gleb on August 04, 2008, 12:08:39 PM
I have some great floor plans of Buckingham Palace if anyone is interested, I can post them (ground and first floor) and they are labeled. 

PLEASE post them when you can. :) It would be wonderful!
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Nikola on August 05, 2008, 11:00:05 AM
Architect please post them soon, please I will be very very happy.
Thanks
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: tom_romanov on August 05, 2008, 03:33:14 PM
I was watching on TV some of their private rooms in BP(I think it was the Duke of York's bedroom for example)...Apart from state rooms,it looks nothing special or rather modest...from what I have seen!

in BP they still use the same pans as those used during Queen Victoria's reign and also they dont have duvets- just sheets and blankets
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Luc on August 20, 2008, 04:26:37 PM
Does anyone have a photo of the table of the Great Commanders ??? I've never seen one.... :(
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: TampaBay on October 23, 2008, 10:35:06 AM
Has anyone been to Buck House lately?

When I was there in 2000, it was discustingly filthy!

TampaBay


Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: TampaBay on October 23, 2008, 10:58:22 AM
Why do so many monarchs and their consorts, everybody from Queen Victoria and Prince Albert to Queen Alexandra to King George V to Queen Elizabeth and the Duke of Edinburgh seem to dislike the palace so much.  It really seems nice, I would enjoy living there.   ;D

-Duke of NJ

I think I am correct in stating thet Prince Charles HATES the place.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: CHRISinUSA on October 24, 2008, 11:25:37 AM
BP is well suited for official functions, but hardly as a residence.  Just look at the floor plans posted by Architect in the Royal Interiors thread to see why.  First, the noise of the busy streets outside must make it difficult finding any peace and quiet.  And privacy is out the question:  there are 450 people who work in the palace, and 50,000 people are entertained there annually. 

Large and elegant as it is, living at BP must seem like forever staying in a hotel.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Soane on November 03, 2008, 11:04:27 AM
I know this may seem random but does anyone have any idea how big or long the grand staircase is at Buckingham Palace is it biggest staircase in England?

The Grand Staircase at Buckingham Palace is by no means the largest in England. It was first built (as was much of the original building) for the Duke of Buckingham c.1702 by William Talman or William Winde (the identity of the architect is still disputed). Originally, the stairs ran around the outside of the space until Sir William Chambers, architect of George III, built an 'imperial plan' staircase (a central flight leading to a landing flanked by two flights ascending in the opposite direction). This plan still survives today, although the stairs were altered for George IV with the installation of a vastly expensive gilt bronze balustrade modelled by Samuel Parker in 1827. In addition to this, another flight of stairs, following the direction of the central flight, was added for Queen Victoria to give access to Pennethorne's new Ballroom.
I have no idea as to the staircase's exact length, but it is neither the longest, tallest or widest staircase in the country. The magnificent staircase at Easton Neston by Nicholas Hawksmoor (c.1695-1702) is the longest cantilevered staircase in England and one of the largest overall.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Soane on November 03, 2008, 11:09:02 AM
I was watching on TV some of their private rooms in BP(I think it was the Duke of York's bedroom for example)...Apart from state rooms,it looks nothing special or rather modest...from what I have seen!

My uncle once stayed at Buckingham Palace in 2002 and although he certainly wasn't given one of the better rooms he said it was extremely comfortable and very elegantly laid out. Each of the principal guest suites is furnished with a variety of pieces from the Royal Collection and even the lesser guest rooms feature some fantastic examples of porcelain and ormolu of the highest quality.
Also, in answer to all of those people who said that BP is filthy, I have visited it several time over the last few years and found it to be spotless.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Nikola on November 04, 2008, 11:41:28 AM
I know this may seem random but does anyone have any idea how big or long the grand staircase is at Buckingham Palace is it biggest staircase in England?

The Grand Staircase at Buckingham Palace is by no means the largest in England. It was first built (as was much of the original building) for the Duke of Buckingham c.1702 by William Talman or William Winde (the identity of the architect is still disputed). Originally, the stairs ran around the outside of the space until Sir William Chambers, architect of George III, built an 'imperial plan' staircase (a central flight leading to a landing flanked by two flights ascending in the opposite direction). This plan still survives today, although the stairs were altered for George IV with the installation of a vastly expensive gilt bronze balustrade modelled by Samuel Parker in 1827. In addition to this, another flight of stairs, following the direction of the central flight, was added for Queen Victoria to give access to Pennethorne's new Ballroom.
I have no idea as to the staircase's exact length, but it is neither the longest, tallest or widest staircase in the country. The magnificent staircase at Easton Neston by Nicholas Hawksmoor (c.1695-1702) is the longest cantilevered staircase in England and one of the largest overall.


Very impressive informations Soane.
Thanks very much
You are a very welcome :)
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: StefanOlson on November 17, 2008, 09:23:44 PM
The Grand Staircase at Buckingham Palace is by no means the largest in England. It was first built (as was much of the original building) for the Duke of Buckingham c.1702 by William Talman or William Winde (the identity of the architect is still disputed). Originally, the stairs ran around the outside of the space until Sir William Chambers, architect of George III, built an 'imperial plan' staircase (a central flight leading to a landing flanked by two flights ascending in the opposite direction). This plan still survives today, although the stairs were altered for George IV with the installation of a vastly expensive gilt bronze balustrade modelled by Samuel Parker in 1827. In addition to this, another flight of stairs, following the direction of the central flight, was added for Queen Victoria to give access to Pennethorne's new Ballroom.
I have no idea as to the staircase's exact length, but it is neither the longest, tallest or widest staircase in the country. The magnificent staircase at Easton Neston by Nicholas Hawksmoor (c.1695-1702) is the longest cantilevered staircase in England and one of the largest overall.

Actually, the flight of stairs, continuing up, was added by Nash.  They originally gave access to the chapel, which George IV had intended to be the armoury, if I recall correctly. 

…Stefan
Olson Software Ltd, www.palacevirtualtours.com.
Makers of virtual tours of Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle and Versailles
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Soane on November 19, 2008, 06:07:10 PM

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Actually, the flight of stairs, continuing up, was added by Nash.  They originally gave access to the chapel, which George IV had intended to be the armoury, if I recall correctly. 

…Stefan
Olson Software Ltd, www.palacevirtualtours.com.
Makers of virtual tours of Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle and Versailles
[/quote]

Interesting. I have always wondered about issues of access to the South wing of Buckingham Palace from the Grand Staircase/State Apartments. Surely the present Ministers Staircase would have provided this point of access, to the chapel or intended armoury though, unless it wasn't built at this point?
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: StefanOlson on November 19, 2008, 07:11:00 PM

Interesting. I have always wondered about issues of access to the South wing of Buckingham Palace from the Grand Staircase/State Apartments. Surely the present Ministers Staircase would have provided this point of access, to the chapel or intended armoury though, unless it wasn't built at this point?

The minister's staircase wasn't part of Nash's original design.  It was added by Blore in 1838-1839.  The minister's staircase is at the north end so either way it didn’t make access any easier to the south wing because the only way to access the south wing was through the chapel via the east gallery.  It wasn’t until later that the household corridor was added.

…Stefan
Olson Software Ltd, www.palacevirtualtours.com.
Makers of virtual tours of Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle and Versailles
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Condecontessa on November 20, 2008, 07:34:21 AM
Hi, PBS showed a show called Monarchy At Work last night, Wednesday 8-10 central time. They will show a continuation of it next week I believe. But check PBS.Org for more info. They really showed Buckingham Palace especially the kitchens. Sorry for the lateness.

P.S. I don't mean to advertise for PBS or anything like that. I'm just not positive about the time schedule for this particular show. Thanks.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: CHRISinUSA on November 20, 2008, 08:39:33 AM
I've been watching that series on PBS here in the US over the past couple weeks - last night was a two-hour broadcast covering the Queen's state visit to the Balkans, the State Opening of Parliament, and an Investiture.  What I found interesting was the "preparation" scenes where members of the household staff were scurrying around getting ready for this or that.  That let's the viewer get a much better perspective of the palace than mere photos. 

My biggest impression was the sheer scale of the rooms!  One scene showed some courtier (I don't recall whom) walking the full length of the garden front - starting in the Royal Closet and continuing through the White Drawing Room, the Music Room, the Blue Drawing Room and into the State Dining Room - where the open doors to the West Gallery showed a continued vista on into the Ballroom.  That truly gave a sense of the enormity of the space.

Another showed the Queen and Duke with a visiting president and first lady (Ghana I believe) before a State Banquet.  It started with the funny scene in which the lift ddin't work and the first lady (who has trouble with stairs) had to be brought up on the luggage lift.  Then it showed them all walking from the top of the Minister's Staircase into the little lobby at the north end of the Portrait Gallery.  Having only previosuly noticed that lobby on floor plans as an inconsequential space, I was amazed at how large it truly was.  All the palace housemaids were assembled there to meet the president, and there had to be 20 -25 people comfortably standing in that Lobby at one time. 
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: toddy on November 20, 2008, 09:29:37 AM
I am curious about the Ministers staircase , it seems natural that there be a staircase there ..to me at least. but what was that space originally for???  and does anyone have a floor plan of the original Buckingham house  and the original palace before it was built on to ?
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Condecontessa on November 20, 2008, 11:00:03 AM
Oh they've been showing it for weeks already? I missed a lot. It's such a nice show. I love seeing and hearing the queen. She's so lovely even at her later age. I like it when she said "I gander I have to give this to you" (I think she said "gander") when giving a medal or an order to this one person.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: CHRISinUSA on November 21, 2008, 08:28:15 AM
I am curious about the Ministers staircase , it seems natural that there be a staircase there ..to me at least. but what was that space originally for???  and does anyone have a floor plan of the original Buckingham house  and the original palace before it was built on to ?

I've never personally seen a floorplan of Buckingham House, but since the enlargement of the main block by Nash basically retained the original footprint, we have some clues from the present floorplan so generously posted by Architect.  The "core" house (excluding the two original service wings) consisted of the present Guard Room and Staircase (space), the Green Drawing Room (formerly Queen Charlotte's 2 story Salon), the Throne Room (or at least the southern most part of it), and the Picture Gallery behind (which was originally separate garden facade rooms). Nash, of course, combined the original garden rooms into the Portrait Gallery and added a new suite of rooms behind it (White Room, Music Room, Blue Room).

Imaging the current floorplan without the added garden suite, the location of the present Minister's Staircase seems illogical to me.  It would have been located stuck in the NW corner of a garden front room.  More likely that "space" was part of the ancillary / service rooms forming the two original wings, which Nash demolished. 
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Robert_Hall on November 23, 2008, 04:17:31 AM
I watched the monarchy show last year in London. Thinking about getting the video.  BTW, that was "gather" not "gander" and the state visit was to the Baltic states, not the Balkans.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Condecontessa on November 23, 2008, 01:44:11 PM
Thank you Robert for clarifying the gander part. I kenw it can't be since the Queen couldn't possibly say gander. I think its not part of their vocabulary. Anyway, she's so sweet when she's giving those orders.
Title: The Summer Opening of Buckingham Palace - 2009
Post by: Nikola on December 17, 2008, 07:52:10 PM
As part of the Summer Opening of the State Rooms, an exhibition of dazzling dresses worn by Her Majesty The Queen on official visits to Commonwealth countries will be shown at Buckingham Palace.  Dressing for the Royal Tour: The Queen and Commonwealth celebrates the 60th anniversary of the London Declaration of 1949, which recognised the British Sovereign as Head of the Commonwealth.

(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/images/visit_images/exhibs/bpso%2009.jpg)

The Queen has travelled further than any monarch in history and has made 175 visits to Commonwealth countries during her reign.  To mark the important principle of friendship that underlies these visits, an exchange of gifts is always made, and the exhibition will include a selection of presents received by Her Majesty from Commonwealth leaders, individuals and organisations.

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/default.asp?action=article&ID=227&KeyWords=buckingham%2Cpalace%2C2009

Title: Re: The Summer Opening of Buckingham Palace - 2009
Post by: Nikola on December 17, 2008, 07:57:09 PM
(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/images/visit_images/BP/dining%20room.jpg) (http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/images/visit_images/BP/throne%20detail.jpg) (http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/images/visit_images/BP/grand%20stair%20case.jpg)

The Summer Opening of Buckingham Palace next year includes an exhibition of dazzling dresses and spectacular jewels worn by Her Majesty The Queen on official visits to Commonwealth countries.  Dressing for the Royal Tour: The Queen and Commonwealth celebrates the 60th anniversary of the London Declaration of 1949, which recognised the British Sovereign as Head of the Commonwealth.

(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/images/visit_images/BP/balustrade.jpg) (http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/images/visit_images/BP/music%20room%20detail.jpg) (http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/images/PET/bp%20tour%20wdr.jpg)
Title: Buckingham Palace crumbling!!!!
Post by: traditionalist on February 21, 2009, 05:40:51 AM
Buckingham Palace is crumbling and is in serious need of a restoration programme to repair every part of the palace which is in need of either a good lick of paint or brand new stonework.
it is disgusting that the government prefer to pay for the London Olympics (an important event but happening over a period of 2 weeks only) instead of providing funding for repair work to the official residence of the British head of state (the sovereign).
The main argument amongst the vile media is that the queen is rich so she should pay, yes indeed the queen is rich BUT she does NOT own Buckingham Palace she can’t sell it , rent it out or pass it over it is held in trust for the nation.
When Windsor Castle had that terrible fire the press campaign that was started after the event was disgusting and it was unlike the British nation to think the way it did over that period of time.
Eventually funds were raised for its restoration by opening Buckingham Palace to the public.
I firmly believe and support the idea that taxpayer’s money should be spent of either building whatever the cost for restoration programmes not just because they are official residences but because they are part of Britain’s long and fascinating history and they both happen to be 2 of the most famous buildings in the world.

it is disgusting to think that Windsor and Buckingham Palace have both stood in their places for hundreds of years (Windsor for 1000 years) they’ve both withstood wars and the Nazi bombings put they may crumble because of their own governments negligence who are responsible for their upkeep.
I know this sounds like a bit of a rant but please post your thoughts in replies.
Thankyou.
Title: Re: Buckingham Palace crumbling!!!!
Post by: Vecchiolarry on February 21, 2009, 08:33:44 AM
Hi,

Isn't Buckingham Palace still open to the public on specific months when The Queen is away?  And, they could open it up on weekends when she's at Windsor.
That money could be matched by the government to repair all palaces that need it;  and that way only half the cost would be born by public funds.
Also, it should be viewed from a safety position - - we cannot have bricks falling on people's heads....

Larry
Title: Re: Buckingham Palace crumbling!!!!
Post by: traditionalist on February 21, 2009, 08:47:13 AM
Yes Buckingham palace is open during the summer months while the royal family are at Balmoral and the money collected over those months is used to maintain the royal collection, the nation’s art and so on.
At the moment the Queen and the staff at the palace are having to live within its walls under patch and repair.
In my opinion there is no point in that, all work that needs to be done should be funded and all completed at once instead of separately when they can afford to.
And yes the issue should be looked at from a safety point of view but any bets if that was to happen the British pubic would go into uproar (because their brains have been poisoned by the media) wanting to know how much it costs to get a H&S man in, can you see where I’m coming from.
The way I see it the brains of the British people have been poisoned in such a way it’s almost like they would rather see Buckingham Palace completely collapse rather than fund the upkeep of it.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 21, 2009, 01:51:00 PM
So true traditionalist and so sad.

Buckingham Palace is a building of historical significance and money should be lavished on it in order to preserve it. It disgusts me when you see puiblic funds going to other unworthy causes!
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Michael HR on February 22, 2009, 03:23:56 AM
As HM The Queen does not own BP one fails to see why she is expected to raise finds to maintain it, IMHO. It is a matter for the state to keep the palace going but this government have no idea of what a national treasure is.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Soane on April 07, 2009, 12:52:32 PM
I agree. Buckingham Palace is state-owned and should be treated as such. I found it laughable when people complained at the alleged use of public funds to repair Windsor Castle after the fire of 1992; the building is in the care of the nation.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: TampaBay on April 09, 2009, 04:47:50 PM

I agree. Buckingham Palace is state-owned and should be treated as such.


Just Like the 10 Downing Street, The White House and Camp David.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Lindelle on April 18, 2009, 07:10:41 AM
Has anyone been to Buck House lately?

When I was there in 2000, it was discustingly filthy!

TampaBay




As a child in 1978 I was taken to BP and even then I said how disappointed I was that is was so grey and dirty. I thought that a few years ago (maybe around 2000/01 it had a paint job and I do remember photo's on tv of it being covered up so it could be painted, pretty sure it was white, but it seems photo's of it lately it has reverted back to it's original dirty colour. Maybe it's the severe weather that knocks it around a bit as it's not the usual size house that can be accessed by dad's ladder to paint  is it? :D
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: tom_romanov on April 18, 2009, 11:34:30 AM
Apparently H.M. the Queen wanted to make a few reapairs and paint BP last year. But as the tabloid newspaper said, she too was hit by the 'credit crunch'. and her plans were put on hold.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Soane on April 29, 2009, 04:20:05 PM


As a child in 1978 I was taken to BP and even then I said how disappointed I was that is was so grey and dirty. I thought that a few years ago (maybe around 2000/01 it had a paint job and I do remember photo's on tv of it being covered up so it could be painted, pretty sure it was white, but it seems photo's of it lately it has reverted back to it's original dirty colour. Maybe it's the severe weather that knocks it around a bit as it's not the usual size house that can be accessed by dad's ladder to paint  is it? :D
[/quote]

The exterior of Buckingham Palace has never been painted; the principal facade is modelled in Portland stone, which appears almost white when clean but can be badly effected by pollution, hence the dirty grey appearance in 1978.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Lindelle on April 30, 2009, 07:48:16 AM


As a child in 1978 I was taken to BP and even then I said how disappointed I was that is was so grey and dirty. I thought that a few years ago (maybe around 2000/01 it had a paint job and I do remember photo's on tv of it being covered up so it could be painted, pretty sure it was white, but it seems photo's of it lately it has reverted back to it's original dirty colour. Maybe it's the severe weather that knocks it around a bit as it's not the usual size house that can be accessed by dad's ladder to paint  is it? :D

The exterior of Buckingham Palace has never been painted; the principal facade is modelled in Portland stone, which appears almost white when clean but can be badly effected by pollution, hence the dirty grey appearance in 1978.
[/quote]Aaahhhh, now that interesting fact makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: CHRISinUSA on May 19, 2009, 04:27:30 PM
I find it quite sad that many of the same individuals who objected to spending money to fix Buckingham Palace are now revealed to have defrauded the British taxpayers in order to fix their own homes and pad their own pockets.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Emperor of the Dominions on May 19, 2009, 07:26:21 PM
I find it quite sad that many of the same individuals who objected to spending money to fix Buckingham Palace are now revealed to have defrauded the British taxpayers in order to fix their own homes and pad their own pockets.

Here Here !
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: RoyalWatcher on May 19, 2009, 07:46:14 PM
Agreed.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on May 21, 2009, 01:20:02 AM
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most definitely agree


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Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: royaltybuff on May 24, 2009, 09:51:13 AM
Allegedly, a chauffeur has been giving private tours of Buckingham Palace for money.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,521560,00.html?test=latestnews
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Nikola on May 24, 2009, 11:11:58 AM
French Porcelain for English Palaces
The Queen’s Gallery, Buckingham Palace


http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/microsites/sevres/
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Michael HR on May 30, 2009, 06:44:57 AM
I find it quite sad that many of the same individuals who objected to spending money to fix Buckingham Palace are now revealed to have defrauded the British taxpayers in order to fix their own homes and pad their own pockets.

Could not put it better myself
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Nikola on June 04, 2009, 10:14:57 AM
Very interesting image of Buckingham Palace:

(http://www.hktaitung.org/newsite/extraimage/london08/buckingham%20palace%20copy.jpg)
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: RoyalWatcher on June 04, 2009, 07:24:33 PM
Wonderful graphic, Nikola. Thanks for posting it.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Learning on June 05, 2009, 09:21:01 AM
Is there any way to enlarge that graphic?
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: RoyalWatcher on June 05, 2009, 10:46:32 AM
Try saving the graphic to your desktop and then open it. It's quite large actually.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: toddy on June 06, 2009, 06:38:22 AM
If you are using Firefox browser  just right/click on it and elect  "view image?  then you can enlarge it even more by clicking on it
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: joan_d on June 06, 2009, 01:50:58 PM
When you see Buck House like that, it really is a hotch-potch of a building.  No wonder it costs zillions to maintain !!   A radical re-modelling is called for to bring it into the 21stC - bring in Sarah Beeney !
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: CHRISinUSA on June 10, 2009, 10:11:04 AM
The map is quite interesting, but does have some inaccuracies.  For example, the Queen's Audience Chamber is not in the center of the north wing as shown, but is rather in the west wing facade overlooking the garden (2 rooms north of the White Drawing Room).  That line pointing to the Audience Chamber is actually the King's Staircase.

In general I would say the palace layout does suit its purpose and use; the private rooms are mostly in the north wing, the State Rooms mostly in the west wing, guest rooms and offices in the east wing and service rooms in the south wing.  But, I agree with Joan that improvements could be made. 
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Nikola on July 24, 2009, 09:22:31 AM
Buckingham Palace Summer Opening 2009:

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/microsites/queenandcommonwealth/
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Nikola on July 24, 2009, 11:49:05 AM
(http://img.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0907/675cc47dc0d48ca5d884.jpeg)
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Nikola on July 24, 2009, 11:49:35 AM
(http://img.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0907/612675b291fa59aeff4b.jpeg)
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: RoyalWatcher on July 24, 2009, 07:34:56 PM
Nicola, do you have any information on the animal skin cape you just posted? It's very unique and quite unusual. I suppose it was a gift presented to HM on a visit to one of the Common Wealth Nations.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Alexander1917 on July 25, 2009, 07:59:02 AM
It's a new zwaeland kiwi cape... used in ceremony as chief of a clan.....


HM with Maori Queen
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w245/alexander1917/settling-claims-main-5.jpg)
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Nikola on July 25, 2009, 08:01:14 AM
Nicola, do you have any information on the animal skin cape you just posted? It's very unique and quite unusual. I suppose it was a gift presented to HM on a visit to one of the Common Wealth Nations.

Dear RoyalWatcher I found some informations:

"During the 1953-4 tour of New Zealand The Queen arrived in Rotorua, a great centre of Maori tradition and culture, where the tribes had assembled in force. The traditional welcome included the Haka Haka and a Poi song, sung by Maori girls. At Arawa Park the royal couple were presented to Maori chiefs and given Maori feather cloaks (Kahu Kiwi) of brown Kiwi feathers. The kiwi bird holds a special significance for the Maori - it is symbolic of their elder brothers and sisters, representing protective spirits.

The Queen and The Duke of Edinburgh have often worn their feather cloaks on subsequent visits to the country, notably for the commemoration of the 150th anniversary of the Treaty of Waitangi in 1990."
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: RoyalWatcher on July 25, 2009, 12:49:21 PM
Many thanks, Nicola!

Regards,

RoyalWatcher
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Soane on August 10, 2009, 11:24:26 AM
I'm seeing the Sevres porcelain exhibition at the Queen's Gallery on Wednesday. Just wondering if anyone else had been yet?
I have to say I think myself very lucky to be living London, within easy reach of three of the best collections of French porcelain in the world: the Royal Collection, the Wallace Collection and Waddesdon Manor.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Lindelle on September 22, 2009, 07:39:54 AM
Does anyone have a description or layout of Buckingham Palace? or anything about this Royal Residence?
Hi Toddy. There was an interview on the 'Today Show' with Prince Andrew. The reporter was Meredith Vieira and he gave her a tour throughout Buckingham Palace. I know Prince Andrew showed her a room where he was born and a doorway to Edward and Sophies private apartment. Though I have tried to find this i am having trouble. If you find it can you please send me the link? :)
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: CHRISinUSA on September 22, 2009, 12:48:09 PM
Actually, I think there are several separate clips - they may have been recorded on the same day or during the same week, but I think they are stored separately on various websites.  I thought they were available on the royal channel of YouTube.com - which you can usually link to directly from the monarchy's own website, but I didn't find them.

On the MSN.com website (just searched a broswer for "Andrew Meredith Vieria Buckingham Palace"), I found one clip with Meredith and Andrew sitting in a room inside BP talking about his current job (no touring the palace in that one)

A second clip (also found on MSN.com) showed Andrew and Meredith walking down the Marble Hall on the ground floor of BP - Andrew pointed to the door to the Belgian Suite and said "that's where state visitors stay when at BP", and a few moments later he pointed back at that same door and said that's where he was born.

A third clip I saw several months ago started with Andrew and Meredith at the top of the staircase in the northeast corner of the palace at 2nd floor level (I think that's called the Prince's Staircase?).  In this clip they walked down the corridor extending the length of the East Range. 

From his comments in that clip, one could determine the location of the Wessex' suite, the Princess Royal suite, and the York suite.  When viewing the palace from it's front (Forecourt), the York apartment is on the left (south end to the center), the Prince Royal's apartment is on the right (from the center to the northeast block), and the Wessex apartment is in the northeast block (above the Chinese Lunchon Room).
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Lindelle on September 22, 2009, 05:25:46 PM
How cool are you Chris  8) Thankyou very, very much for that information. I too saw the interview with them both sitting down and talking about his job and his daughters but from there I couldn't find anything else. I shall delve and search your answers as that was exactly what I was looking for.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Lindelle on September 26, 2009, 06:35:19 AM
Does anyone have a description or layout of Buckingham Palace? or anything about this Royal Residence?
You can always google earth "Aerial View Of Buckingham Palace" Amazing photo's.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Nikola on February 25, 2010, 04:02:52 PM
Buckingham Palace Summer Opening 2010:

Special exhibition

The special exhibition at the Summer Opening of Buckingham Palace in 2010 will give visitors a lively insight into the principal national and ceremonial events in the royal year.

The Queen’s Year will include displays of ceremonial robes, gifts, uniforms, dresses and jewellery, as well as archive photography and film to evoke the many and varied aspects of  the sovereign’s work.

The exhibition will illustrate the pageantry, tradition and ceremony of the State Opening of Parliament, the historic Garter Day ceremony at Windsor Castle and Trooping the Colour, as well as investitures, garden parties and State Visits.
Title: Buckingham palace
Post by: Lucien on December 21, 2010, 02:15:29 AM
Winter in London,and elsewhere.....

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c648253ef0147e0e1bcc4970b-pi

courtesy hja


Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: joye on June 04, 2011, 01:26:44 AM
I would like to know  please, the uses for each of the following rooms?
1. Blue Drawing Room
2. White Drawing Room
3. Green Drawing Room
4. Yellow Drawing Room.
I know The Regency Room is uses for the Commonwealth Broadcast.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: CHRISinUSA on June 04, 2011, 02:18:27 PM
Your question is a bit difficult given that the rooms you are asking about are used for many many purposes.  They are collectively part of the State Apartments, so in general they are all used for large-scale formal entertaining and functions.

The Green Drawing Room happens to the be the first one entered at the top of the Grand Staircase, so it is generally used as a anteroom or waiting room where guests gather before being presented to the Queen in another room. 

The White and Blue Drawing Rooms (and the Music Room in between them) are the principal State reception rooms on the garden side of the palace, so they are used collectively on formal occasions.  Since the White Room is closest to the private apartments, it is where the Royal Family and their guests of honor often gather before receiving other guests.  The royal party then steps next door into the Music Room, and guests pass from the Green Room across the Picture Gallery and into the Music Room to be presented formally.  Having been presented, guests then step into the adjacent Blue Room for drinks before dinner.  Note:  This isn't always how such events take place but often.

The Yellow Drawing Room is at the opposite end of the palace, at the south end of the east range.  It is part of the guest apartments and is often used as a sitting room by guests staying at the palace.  It is also probably used for a variety of other functions.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: joye on November 02, 2011, 07:47:26 PM
(http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae159/joye-gordon/IMG-41.jpg)


I found this photo, and wondered, where in Buckingham Palace, it was taken?
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on November 02, 2011, 10:06:30 PM
(http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae159/joye-gordon/IMG-41.jpg)


I found this photo, and wondered, where in Buckingham Palace, it was taken?

Not that it would change the posited location, but note that the photo is REVERSED, as the Duke's medals, the two breast stars, placement of the sword, etc., are depicted here on the wrong side.  Regards,   AP.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on November 03, 2011, 09:16:13 AM
(http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae159/joye-gordon/IMG-41.jpg)


I found this photo, and wondered, where in Buckingham Palace, it was taken?


if i'm not mistaken, that's the staircase in the Queen's private Entrance to the palace.
i figured a visual aid might help :-)


Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: CHRISinUSA on November 03, 2011, 10:06:50 AM
I think you're right - good eye.  I have only seen one other photo of that mini staircase before, published in the papers when President and Mrs. Obama were arriving for their first visit to the palace and entered the building from the north side (an unusual entrance point for official guests). 
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: joye on November 03, 2011, 07:36:08 PM
Thankyou so much. I could not work out where this photo was taken.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: toddy on November 04, 2011, 06:37:19 AM
(http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae159/joye-gordon/IMG-41.jpg)


I found this photo, and wondered, where in Buckingham Palace, it was taken?

I think it is at the kings staircase  because you can see the part of the stairs that goes up to the second floor??
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: CHRISinUSA on November 04, 2011, 10:30:58 AM
Except that the King's Staircase continues upward to the right, not the left.  Look at the floorplan aleksandr pavlovich posted earlier. 

Oh wait - he also said the photo may have been somehow reversed due to the appearance of the Duke's medals.  Perhaps you are right - perhaps this is the King's Staircase entry instead of the Sovereign's entry hall.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on November 04, 2011, 11:04:52 AM
Except that the King's Staircase continues upward to the right, not the left.  Look at the floorplan aleksandr pavlovich posted earlier. 

Oh wait - he also said the photo may have been somehow reversed due to the appearance of the Duke's medals.  Perhaps you are right - perhaps this is the King's Staircase entry instead of the Sovereign's entry hall.
  Unfortunately I cannot claim credit for the floorplan posted; that was through the kindness of "brnbg aka: liljones 1968."   I did comment that the photo of the Queen and the DoE was definitely reversed as shown.  Regards,  AP.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: joye on November 08, 2011, 06:37:46 PM
So, is the Queen's stairs or the King's stairs please?
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on November 08, 2011, 10:19:47 PM
So, is the Queen's stairs or the King's stairs please?


i believe i was mistaken and the others are correct.... i think it is, indeed, the king's stairs and not the stairs of the private entrance.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: joye on November 10, 2011, 12:38:39 AM
Thankyou, The Kings Stair it is.
And where are they positioned please?
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: CHRISinUSA on November 10, 2011, 07:40:51 AM
That lobby / those stairs are entered from the right side of the quadrangle.  If you look at the floorplan, look to the middle of the north / private wing from the quadrangle (to the right of the plan) and you'll see that entrance and staircase.  This is the entrance and stairs used by the prime minister when arriving for an audience with the Queen.
Title: Buckingham Palace Gardens
Post by: Maria the Beautiful on June 05, 2012, 01:50:51 PM
Can someone who is familiar with Buckingham Palace please tell me - are there any private gardens around BP where the Queen can walk in solitude?  When I view the grounds around BP on Google Earth, it appears as though all the surrounding grounds are open to the public.  The only somewhat private area seems to be the courtyard in the center of the palace which you could hardly call a garden.   Where, for instance, does she walk her corgis while at BP?  Could it be that some of the surrounding gardens are only open to the public on certain days?   I made the assumption that all the surrounding gardens were open to the public because of all the private pictures that have been posted on Google Earth.   Can someone enlighten me.  I'm beginning to feel sorry for the poor Queen living in such a fishbowl.
Title: Re: Buckingham Palace Gardens
Post by: CHRISinUSA on June 06, 2012, 07:46:34 AM
I wonder if when looking at the area from above (Google), you may be incorrectly thinking that the various vast green areas of Green Park, Hyde Park, etc. are part of the palace's grounds?  Those are not actually.  Buckingham Palace gardens are those immediately behind (north and west side of) the palace, and are not open to the public; they are totally walled in and private.  Well, private when one considers the hundreds of staff and visitors wandering about every day.

The vast lawn and lake beyond on the west side is probably the least private parts, as someone walking there would be visible from a variety of areas of the palace.  But the gardens to the north side (visible out the windows of the Queen and Duke's private apartments in that wing) are probably considered the "private gardens" for the royals.  Looking closely on Google maps, I've noticed winding paths through the trees on that side, what appears to be a tennis court and maybe even a summer or tea house.  That's where I suspect HM and HRH wander when they wish to have privacy outdoors when in residence at BP.
Title: Re: Buckingham Palace Gardens
Post by: Vanya Ivanova on June 06, 2012, 10:35:16 AM
The Queen views Windsor Castle as 'Home' and Buckingham Palace known in royal circles as 'Buck House' as her place of work, or the 'office' as it were. The Royal family do have private apartments within the palace but apparently even after a function at Buckingham Palace the Queen will most often drive the relatively short distance back to Windsor for the night. It is here also that she will walk in the grounds and relax etc. Thats not to say the family never do this at Buckingham Palace but its more the exception than the rule. The family who jokingly refer to themselves as 'The Firm' also sometimes call Buckingham Palace 'the shop front for the family business'.

An interesting parallel is that GD Olga Nicholaevna once stated a similar distinction in reference to how the IF viewed the Alexander and Livadia palaces '' In Petersburg we work, but at Livadia we live''.
Title: Re: Buckingham Palace Gardens
Post by: mclisa on June 06, 2012, 12:38:25 PM
The grounds of Buckingham Palace are not open to the public.

Several years ago a reporter who got a job undercover as afootman reported that
any time the queen goes out to walk in the garden, which she did daily, the staff
were warned and told to go into the gardens. (I presume this excludes gardeners.) He
told of a time when he was walking one of the queen's dogs and was outside, where he encountered
her. He went back into the palace as quickly as he could and later apologized to her.

Visitors, other than official guests at the palace can't be encouraged to walk in the gardens
for security reasons.

Title: Re: Buckingham Palace Gardens
Post by: koloagirl on June 06, 2012, 01:40:38 PM

Aloha from Kaua'i!

I was fortunate enough to be able to visit Buckingham Palace Gardens last year - when the State Rooms of Buckingham Palace are open during the summertime (when the Queen is at Balmoral) - you actually exit from the back of the palace and onto the terrace (where they have a temporary cafe) - and you walk a pathway thru the gardens (amazingly beautiful) in order to exit the Palace.

This is the only time of year the Palace is open to the public - and last year was particularly popular due to the Duchess of Cambridge's wedding dress being on display inside - as well as a fabulous Faberge exhibit (with many Romanov pieces).

The gardens are truly gorgeous - you can't walk on the large grassy area itself (they were roped off) - but you walk a path that takes you all around the garden areas, a lovely pond with a vista to another building (I don't know what that was, but it was lovely!) - and of course a souvenir shop - before you exit the palace grounds.
Title: Re: Buckingham Palace Gardens
Post by: Margarita Markovna on June 28, 2012, 12:48:16 PM
I was at the same exhibit last year (for the eggs, not the dress) but was disappointed with how little of the gardens you could actually see.  If you look at the map at the end of the path the visitor route just skirts around the edge of the gardens and there's lots more you can't see.  Of course I do understand that this is private and it would be a gardener's nightmare to keep up the garden after thousands of people traipsing through every day, and it's better than nothing, but I wish I could have seen more :/  I suppose that's what Holyrood House is for in Edinburgh, a lot like Buckingham Palace and you can walk ALL over the grounds.
Title: Re: Buckingham Palace Gardens
Post by: Twobsbob on August 02, 2012, 08:57:20 PM
This year, the gardens are open for a visit (for an extra fee, i think).

I recently purchased a book on the gardens at Buckingham Palace, which was published in the early 70s.  At the time, high rise buildings were starting to be built near the palace, and from these, people could see into the gardens.  A row of trees was planted for the specific purpose of shielding some areas of the gardens from public view.  Those trees must be mature by now, and must be providing some shelter from prying eyes.
Title: Belgian Corridor
Post by: Twobsbob on December 17, 2012, 09:10:58 PM
I have recently seen pictures of an area of Buckingham Palace called the "Belgian Corridor".  I assume it is near the Belgian Suite.  Can anyone confirm the exact location and what it leads to/from?

Thanks

Bob
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: CHRISinUSA on December 18, 2012, 07:50:07 AM
You are correct.  The Belgian Corridor links the rooms of the Belgian Suite on the palace's ground floor, western facade facing the garden.  It is given extra height and perspective by saucer domes designed by Nash in the style of Soane.   A second corridor in the suite has Gothic influenced cross over vaulting.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Twobsbob on December 18, 2012, 06:04:59 PM
Thanks for the reply Chris, but I can't seem to figure where it (they?) is (are?).  I am looking at a floor plan of the ground floor.  The Belgian Suite is composed of the Orleans and Eighteenth Century rooms, which are side-by-side.  They give directly to the terrace on the west, and to the Minister's Staircase on the east.  Where is there a corridor?  Maybe I'm not clearly understanding what the Belgian Suite is.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: CHRISinUSA on December 21, 2012, 08:29:57 AM
Actually the suite is larger than that.  (They add adjacent rooms to it during State Visits).  Basically, the suite begins from the pool (in the Northwest pavilion) and continues toward the Bow Room in the center of that block.  Rooms across Marble Hall (like the Billiard Room) or even rooms on the other side of the Bow Room (including the old household dining room, now used as a cinema I think) may also be added to the suite if needed for a major scale visit with lots of officials or staff in the guest entourage.

The 1844 Room is used as the principal audience / reception room for the guest.  The narrow Cavernon Room (under Royal Closet), the 18th Century Room, the Orleans Room and the Spanish Room are all included.  The Orleans' Room is the main bedroom, while the Spanish Room is sometimes used as a guest dining room, dressing room or other bedroom as needed.  The other rooms can also be furnished as sitting rooms, dining rooms or bedrooms as needed (some state guest spouses prefer separate bedrooms, or bring children).

You're right - the 1844 Room and Cavernon Room adjoin directly to the Marble Hall (no Belgian Corridor access).  But the 18th Century Room, Orleans Room and Spanish Room all open into the Belgian Corridor, directly behind (north) of the Minister's Staircase.  It is quite narrow and on my floor plans don't look much more than tiny hallways.  At the end of the corridor appears to be the suite's bathroom (next to the Spanish Room).  But I suppose these old plans of mine might not reflect current configuration.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Twobsbob on December 28, 2012, 12:57:31 PM
Thanks Chris, I think I see it now.  The Belgian Corridor(s) must be that little strip running east-west immediately behind (north) the Minister's Staircase, and that even smaller strip running perpendicular to it.

I suspect you have a better/more detailed/more recent floor plan than I do.  I believe mine is the one dating back to Queen Victoria's time.  There were a number of plans posted to this forum over time, but they have all "disappeared" by now.

Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: MarshieM on December 30, 2012, 05:05:07 PM
I need so much Buckingham Palace floorplans to my school project. If someone could posted it or send it to me via pm I would be very grateful !
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: traditionalist on March 27, 2013, 11:02:27 AM
Here is a floor plan of Buckingham Palace (the ground floor) n the way it would of appeared before the addition of Blore the bore, i still cant find one of the state floor from this time though without the east range, there is one of the queens apartments without the east range but not the whole state floor.
I think the image below may have actually been printed after the east range was added but it does give someone a much better idea.

(http://www.ribablogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/TheBuilder1912_plan_500px.jpg)

Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Joanna on June 28, 2017, 01:27:00 PM
Pompeian dining room - Buckingham Palace and Winter Palace
Did Emperor Nicholas I see the room?

https://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.ca/2017/06/pompeian-dining-rooms-buckingham-palace.html

Joanna
Title: Re: Buckingham palace
Post by: Joanna on January 14, 2019, 07:49:30 PM
Queen Victoria's Study and Prince Albert's and other rare interiors of Buckingham Palace:

http://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.com/2019/01/buckingham-palace-interiors-c1900.html

Joanna