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Title: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on May 01, 2006, 09:23:53 AM
A "new" user, anastasiaclaimant WAS CalebGmoney/Bigbee et al. Once again, someone banned for behavior sneaks back in without permission. Understand this VERY public pronouncment of a fundemental Forum rule:
If you sneak back in while suspended without prior permission from me, you are PERMANENTLY and forever banned from this Forum. This isn't unreasonable or unclear.
 
This is the reason Rsskiya was permanently banned, not for conduct in the forum, but rather sneaking in four more times under fake names. Same thing for Olga/DarthOlga...who snuck in three times.
 
This is the Fourth time for CalebGmoney. READ THIS CLEARLY: BECAUSE YOU SHOW TOTAL DISRESPECT FOR ME AND THIS FORUM BY SNEAKING IN UNDER FAKE NAMES AFTER BEING SUSPENEDED AND NOW BANNED YOU ARE NEVER WELCOME HERE AGAIN. EVER. GOODBYE. Anything you ever post in this Forum from here on out will be deleted immediately and without warning.  

Anyone suspended who hopes to sneak back in, be advised.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on May 09, 2006, 08:11:54 PM
Update,
Just a week after THIS last post, CalebGMoney/annaanderson/bigbee/anastasiaclaimant came in YET again, using the name J Christ Anderson. Add yet another alias. One can only wonder how genuinely deranged or obssessed someone can be to sneak in where they have been told they are not welcome and are no longer to come in. If this were our real house, we could have them arrested for trespass. Just be advised that any banned or suspended user who sneaks in WILL have their posts removed and any posts which quote them will be removed as well.

We will not nor can not tolerate disruptive and dishonest users sneaking into our forum

FA
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on May 09, 2006, 08:23:48 PM
I have decided that it actually is constructive to demonstrate that this has been a problem, and have decided to "out" the alias names of several other suspended users, as I have been accused of unfairly banning them.

Rskkiya aka: finelly, elfwine, catt.sydney, leushino, praskovia, vera figner, barishchina

Darth Olga: oscarwilde, Oscar Wilde, comrade, Olga Rodionovna

CalebG.Money: bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Tania+ on May 10, 2006, 12:24:43 AM
Dear FA,

From the aliases of rskkiya, I had my fill of offensive remarks both online as well as offline.
No member, new or old, nor you FA, nor moderators needs to be disrespected, nor made a fool of.
I think it is up to us as well as members to stand firmly by every reason we need to protect this AP website, and stop trespassers at all cost.

Thank you both FA and moderators for keeping our website safe from these obsessed personalities.
Glad as well you shared with us all of their names, so we may be forwarned in the future.

Tatiana+
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Lucien on May 10, 2006, 03:03:47 AM
I don't think they are all that obsessed with anything,just hacking and making a nuisance of themselves,and they got what they hoped for,a screaming FA.That was all the fun they needed/wanted.

Why not just delete their post without going public the way you do,they just revel in all the attention,and it isn't really chic.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Sarushka on May 10, 2006, 09:00:12 AM
I find this information VERY interesting. I, too, have been duped by a couple of those usernames. I had felt some sympathy toward them for being banned, and all along they were being deceitful. How underhanded. >:(

This just proves we as users don't know the whole story behind forum-dramas. I, for one, will be less quick to judge and/or take sides in future.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: imperial angel on May 10, 2006, 11:06:52 AM
Thanks so much for posting the additional names of people who sneak in again and again!!! I am so happy to know that Leushino and Elfwine were the same!!  Reading their posts, it seemed they were, and that person used other names as well.  I was many times insulted by Leushino/ Elfwine/ rskkiya, under different names. I pretty much thought about quiting the Alexandra thread because of '' Leushino'', at one time. Another time, '' Elfwine'' was far from nice to me. The others didn't bother me as much, but as far as I am concerned the FA does an excellant job, and makes this site a great place. I am very very thankful to the FA and everybody. Once again, it is proved that this is the best forum ever. :) :) :) Anytime anybody is suspended or banned, I never doubt that the FA was right, and I never feel sorry for these people. They brought on themselves through their own actions.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on May 10, 2006, 11:08:34 AM
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This just proves we as users don't know the whole story behind forum-dramas. I, for one, will be less quick to judge and/or take sides in future.

This was the exact reason why I made my decision to expose the aliases.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Ivan Komarov on May 10, 2006, 06:14:26 PM
I am forced to wonder why these people are so overly obsessed with posting here...in some cases, yes, they are spammers who wish only to embarass or otherwise injure those who courteously and correctly utilise the forums; but other times?  

I do remember, for one, "Finelly", who was in spite of being somewhat informative a bit rude at times.  One would think that, if a suspended/banned member who was sneaking back in would not draw so much attention to his or herself through continued abusive language or pointlessly flooding every single thread with things such as "Anna Anderson was Anastasia Nikolaevna" (as the recent "J Christ Anderson" felt inclined to do).

I must appreciate the actions the Forum Admins have here taken - although I was nearly suspended from another website's forum, I respected their decision - and today I am one of the admins on that same site.  In many houses, trespassing once gets you arrested - sneaking back in the night gets you shot or stabbed.  Good comes to those who respect and obey the administrators, especially such good ones as we've here; and only bad comes swiftly to all others.

Serious (for once),

Ivan S. Komarov
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Princess_Olishka on May 10, 2006, 10:35:36 PM
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Wow--I never would've guessed 'finelly' 'elfwine' and 'leushino' were all rskkiya.  :o  I had some limited contact with 'each' and feel a little silly talking to the same person without knowing it.  :-/

I know, grandduchessella! I never thought that rskkiya would be leushino! :o I thought that leushino was a good member for this Forum!
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Margarita Markovna on May 10, 2006, 10:37:23 PM
Wow. Just..wow. It's a little weird to know that rskiyya and Finelly were the same person...

Thank you for this list. And thank you for keeping the forum spam and crap free.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: RichC on May 10, 2006, 10:54:55 PM
I also am surprised to see that finelly and rskkiya were one and the same.  She seems to have really gotten around.  I began to suspect last Fall that rskkiya, cat.sydney and elfwine were the same.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: BobAtchison on May 11, 2006, 12:25:39 AM
When I read Rob's first posting on this topic I thought he was being too harsh - then I saw the aliases being used by these three forum members and I was SHOCKED - I too have corresponded with them and had no idea that some of these different aliases were the same people.  I think sometimes you can pick up on certain words and phrases and recognise diffferent names might likely be the same people, but I know I'm not one with that natural talent.

We all should be very careful of people/personalities we meet on the web so that we don't become victims of sociopaths who use the web for their own benefit at the expense of others.  According to Wikipedia an antisocial personality disorder is indicated by three or more of the following (an abbreviated list):


I am not suggesting that any of these former members of the Forum are sociopaths - I bring this up so that we can all be careful of people who use phony names on the web. If you suspect the 'person' you are chatting with on the web is a phony ask them for an address or telephone number so you can verify who they are.  If they decline to give it to you one can assume they have something to hide.

Bob
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: BobAtchison on May 11, 2006, 12:51:57 AM
Here's something I found on the web that says more about the sociopath:

Profile of the Sociopath (fromhttp://www.hss.caltech.edu/~mcafee/Bin/sb.html

This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.

Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Margarita Markovna on May 11, 2006, 07:35:42 AM
You said to ask them for their address or phone number and if they refuse to give it they are not who they say they are, but I think it's important to say that if you're a kid, as many of us here are, you should never give out your address or other personal info to someone you meet online. I'm not saying that people on this forum have bad intentions or anything, but it's better safe than sorry.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on May 11, 2006, 09:16:20 AM
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You said to ask them for their address or phone number and if they refuse to give it they are not who they say they are, but I think it's important to say that if you're a kid, as many of us here are, you should never give out your address or other personal info to someone you meet online. I'm not saying that people on this forum have bad intentions or anything, but it's better safe than sorry.

I couldn't agree more, and I was actually going to post the same thing.

I don't think you should EVER give phone numbers or addresses to people you meet on the internet unless you are 100% sure they are who they say they are.  If you are under age, definitely get parental permission before you even THINK about giving any information that could allow someone to track you down at home.

There are so many horror stories out there of people being killed, raped, abducted, etc by people they've met on the internet and thought they could trust.  It is sad but true.

PLEASE exercise caution when it comes to giving out personal information, and if someone does ask you for your phone number or address, only give it if you are 100% sure that you can trust the person.  If you are under age, as I said before, get a parent to check it out first.

It is better to be safe than sorry.  We would all like to trust people and believe that they wouldn't want to cause us harm, but sadly, this is not always the case. I would hate for anyone to suffer the consequences if they gave out information to someone they were mistaken in trusting.  

Rachel
xx
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 11, 2006, 09:46:56 AM
While I understand the essence of the point that Bob is making, I have to agree with Ritka, GDella and RaRa on this one.  
I feel that caution should be taken before assuming that just because someone will not divulge 'real world' information, they have something to hide.  People may have valid reasons for declining such a request.  
Certainly the internet is a place where anonymity offers protection to predators, sociopaths and the like, but the anonymity can also offer protection to those who might otherwise become prey.  
JMO, not trying to stir things up or anything.  :)
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: imperial angel on May 11, 2006, 10:30:31 AM
Well, I don't post to the threads some of those people under multiple names wreaked havoc on, but from my personal experiences on other threads with one, I thought their posts sounded very alike... I'm not sure that I have very good instinct about such things, but I defintely read posts, and see the personal writing style of the person posting. I think I judge people fairly well. These people who post under different names after being suspended or banned, can't stop causing trouble because they have issues, which is why they got in trouble in the first place. To shut up, and be quiet is something they don't know how to do. This brings up the importance of being polite and aware of others and their rights online and off, to respect other's viewpoints and not be judgemental or negative towards others. That's something that it is very important to me, and I try to be aware of others.  :)

As for phonies online, and giving out information, this site is no doubt safer than many other places on the internet, where it is more random, and users don't have to contribute anything of a serious nature, which makes it harder to know them, and what they are about. Reading someone's posts are instructive. Not that any site is immune to those who are up to no good. We are a community here, and I trust people unless their posts or general behaviour in the forum indicates otherwise, like these suspended/banned users. I think it's always better to be safer than sorry though, as the old saying goes. I would give out information if I trusted the person, and I love to meet people who share my interests online, because there's nobody around me to discuss the Romanovs with. Generally, if their messages and posts and emails indicate nothing to hide, and you have no sense anything is wrong( inuition is important), I would trust them.  You can always tell, I think, when somthing is off. Based on reading these banned/ suspended user's posts, I would never have trusted them. You can't hide who you essentially are forever.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: BobAtchison on May 11, 2006, 12:07:47 PM
Yes, I have to say I agree one should be very careful who you give your phone number or real email address too.  It's hard to know exactly how to deal with the phonies - thank goodness there are just a few of them.  It is still shocking to see who they were.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: imperial angel on May 11, 2006, 12:13:16 PM
I was shocked as well, but am so happy that information on these alternative identities of these people was posted. It's instructive to me and taught me to be wiser, although it's sad when people do this. But they don't care. >:(
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Ortino on May 11, 2006, 01:53:55 PM
Wow, I had no idea some of those names were linked to the same person. I'll certainly be paying more attention in the future.  :o

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I don't think you should EVER give phone numbers or addresses to people you meet on the internet unless you are 100% sure they are who they say they are.  If you are under age, definitely get parental permission before you even THINK about giving any information that could allow someone to track you down at home.

While I'm very careful with what little information I give out, I'd like to point out that this can get rather tricky, particularly if you're getting books and/or other items from people from sites like this one. If you're getting books for example from the Duplicate books thread, then you'll have to give out personal information. One should of course exercise good judgment though and be extra careful with these kinds of things.



Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: ferngully on May 11, 2006, 02:02:31 PM
finelly and rskkiya were the same people? i was in contact with finelly addressing jewish issues. can't believe the deception. i wondered why they disappeared :o is dashkova still around? or was she another imposter? she was pretty rude
selina                          xxxxxxxxx
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Ortino on May 11, 2006, 02:09:47 PM
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finelly and rskkiya were the same people? i was in contact with finelly addressing jewish issues. can't believe the deception. i wondered why they disappeared :o is dashkova still around? or was she another imposter? she was pretty rude
selina                          xxxxxxxxx

It's amazing how deceptive people can be online. I didn't even know rskkiya was Jewish........
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: anna on May 11, 2006, 03:35:42 PM
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I don't think they are all that obsessed with anything,just hacking and making a nuisance of themselves,and they got what they hoped for,a screaming FA.That was all the fun they needed/wanted.

Why not just delete their post without going public the way you do,they just revel in all the attention,and it isn't really chic.

I have to agree with Lucien, because as guests they are still able to read anything what is said about them. So they still got what they want and hoped for: Pages long ATTENTION.

Anna
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Sarushka on May 11, 2006, 03:51:22 PM
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While I'm very careful with what little information I give out, I'd like to point out that this can get rather tricky, particularly if you're getting books and/or other items from people from sites like this one. If you're getting books for example from the Duplicate books thread, then you'll have to give out personal information. One should of course exercise good judgment though and be extra careful with these kinds of things.

This is true, and there are certainly ways of getting around giving out your home address. When I was younger, I sometimes had packages shipped to me in care of my mother's business. It's probably possible for some nut to track you down even if you've got a go-between, but it'll be that much harder if you're using an alternate address.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Lucien on May 12, 2006, 02:14:15 AM
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Here's something I found on the web that says more about the sociopath:

Profile of the Sociopath (fromhttp://www.hss.caltech.edu/~mcafee/Bin/sb.html

This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.

  • Glibness and Superficial Charm

  • Manipulative and Conning
    They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

  • Grandiose Sense of Self
    Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

  • Pathological Lying
    Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

  • Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
    A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

  • Shallow Emotions
    When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

  • Incapacity for Love

  • Need for Stimulation
    Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

  • Callousness/Lack of Empathy
    Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

  • Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
    Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

  • Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
    Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

  • Irresponsibility/Unreliability
    Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

  • Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
    Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

  • Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
    Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

  • Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
    Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

Impressive list Bob,found it on the White House web?........grinning....
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: ferngully on May 12, 2006, 06:31:24 AM
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finelly and rskkiya were the same people? i was in contact with finelly addressing jewish issues. can't believe the deception. i wondered why they disappeared :o is dashkova still around? or was she another imposter? she was pretty rude
selina                          xxxxxxxxx

It's amazing how deceptive people can be online. I didn't even know rskkiya was Jewish........

maybe she wasn't, maybe she was making it up for my benefit :-[
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Tania+ on May 12, 2006, 10:45:55 AM
Lucien,

That's too funny for words ! I got a big laugh out of that.  :)

Tatiana+

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Impressive list Bob,found it on the White House web?........grinning....
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Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Mazukov on May 13, 2006, 07:05:21 AM
I use to run a web base forum a few years ago. We would have someone get banned  only to come back with mutable names to do the same thing they did when they got banned. What always amazed me is all the names they used they all sounded and said pretty much the same thing. There style of posting didn’t change. To me it was always a mock at the forum owners, administrators, monitors, and mostly the people who are members who actively engage in constructive debate.

You know there are times when you are debating a topic, one may get a little hotheaded and say something that one shouldn't say ect. But that’s just in the heat of debate and I never take that as being offensive unless of course it’s something that always done by a particular poster. Then of course that's when the Ban factor comes into play. Because people don't get banned for saying  screw you John. In a post when 99.9% of what they say is good clean debate. One gets banned for actively being a jerk. Towards others

So to the forum admins and moderators  good job and don’t let the few creeps that do come by every now and then kill the good job you all do within this forum.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: LisaDavidson on May 13, 2006, 10:38:04 AM
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finelly and rskkiya were the same people? i was in contact with finelly addressing jewish issues. can't believe the deception. i wondered why they disappeared :o is dashkova still around? or was she another imposter? she was pretty rude
selina                          xxxxxxxxx

I don't know if Dashkova is still around or not. AFAIK, she is not an imposter, though I believe she did have a rather hefty agenda.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Tania+ on May 13, 2006, 06:15:24 PM
Lisa and FA,

I have a question to ask, if i may please ? If someone is using every means to get onto this forum, though they have been forever banned, [and one is suspected of entering through a specific porthole, using whatever web base,] can not only you and the FA track them from here, plus those who offer the specific website from where the person is conducting their avenues of distress, be seized in that way ?

I'm sorry, but I am not versed in the complete understadings of the interface, or technicalities of the internet. Still I would imagine there might be specified ways of nabbing these destructive intruders ? I know most of us have their eyes alerted for these toughies, but I'm wondering how or what other ways are there left to address and finalize such persons trespassing as they do ?

Tatiana+


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finelly and rskkiya were the same people? i was in contact with finelly addressing jewish issues. can't believe the deception. i wondered why they disappeared :o is dashkova still around? or was she another imposter? she was pretty rude
selina                          xxxxxxxxx

I don't know if Dashkova is still around or not. AFAIK, she is not an imposter, though I believe she did have a rather hefty agenda.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on May 13, 2006, 07:23:49 PM
Tania,

The short answer is yes and no. I CAN see specific Internet providers and block access from them.  The other problem is that there are some access providers that are very common, and so many of our regular users also use them, and as a result I will not block these.  (I won't say what they are, so as not to give any new ideas, but sadly several abusive users already know them).

To quote an old World War II poster hanging in a dear friend's house: "Eternal Vigilence is the Price of Liberty"

For us to keep a free and open forum, we can only remain vigilent to watch for these disruptive and obsessed people, which I would rather do than "lock down" the forum like restricing reading to only registered users, or force people to post on a regular basis just to stay a user. That just seems a pathetic, paranoid and poor excuse for a genuine place for learning and discussion. Better to tolerate the small handfull of psychos than prevent the many thousands of other people who come here weekly from deciding for themselves how best to enjoy and learn here.  The greater good is achieved at the price of having these few occassional disruptions.  With ten thousand or more users a week, we have only perhaps five or six of the pathetic obsessive whackos. Not really a bad percentage.  Don't you agree?

FA
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Tania+ on May 13, 2006, 07:37:48 PM
[size=10]FA,

First of all, you and the moderators have done and continue to offer the best in terms of watching out not only for this wonderful website, but indeed for the frame work of liberty. Thank you !

It is sad to see abuse in whatever form, but when it defies one to be blatant, and curtail the liberty and calm of others then these people are the saddest of the sad. I pity greatly their lack of integrity, and their total lack of sensitivity. In the end of course, they will suffer from their own obsessions, and that is the worst of all.

I agree with you, at this time, it is better to allow the thousands of users entry then allow a few pathetic, paranoids to gain this temporary entrance. It is not however to say that they will not be caught, for I believe they will be. In the interim, we must turn our focus to that which needs our focus and not to these 'strangers' amongst us.

Thanks for all you do !

Tatiana+[/size]

Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: CorisCapnSkip on May 14, 2006, 12:11:48 AM
GOOD FOR YOU, FA!  There are those who have gone far further with probably far less cause.   :-?
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: RichC on May 14, 2006, 12:37:35 PM
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Tania,

The short answer is yes and no. I CAN see specific Internet providers and block access from them.  The other problem is that there are some access providers that are very common, and so many of our regular users also use them, and as a result I will not block these.  (I won't say what they are, so as not to give any new ideas, but sadly several abusive users already know them).

To quote an old World War II poster hanging in a dear friend's house: "Eternal Vigilence is the Price of Liberty"

For us to keep a free and open forum, we can only remain vigilent to watch for these disruptive and obsessed people, which I would rather do than "lock down" the forum like restricing reading to only registered users, or force people to post on a regular basis just to stay a user. That just seems a pathetic, paranoid and poor excuse for a genuine place for learning and discussion. Better to tolerate the small handfull of psychos than prevent the many thousands of other people who come here weekly from deciding for themselves how best to enjoy and learn here.  The greater good is achieved at the price of having these few occassional disruptions.  With ten thousand or more users a week, we have only perhaps five or six of the pathetic obsessive whackos. Not really a bad percentage.  Don't you agree?

FA


One possibility of reining in the psychos (I agree there are only a few, but those few made a big splash, in my view) would be to implement a Terms of Use policy, that all members would have to accept via a click-through process.  Yes, I know people often don't read them, but they stand up in court, which is why so many websites have them.  By clicking the "I Accept" button, users would pledge to follow certain rules of good behavior and other rules before being allowed to post.

Also, my internet service provider is managed by my apartment building.  My building has free WiFi, but before they turned me on I had to sign a statement promising not to do anything illegal, not harrass anybody, etc.  Would it be worthwhile to report these individuals to the ISP's they use?  Or is that not feasible?
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on May 14, 2006, 05:17:02 PM
We already HAVE a user agreement with such language which all users must agree to when they register.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Darkness_tillXx on May 15, 2006, 02:31:39 AM
Admin, with all due respect, maybe you should just ban IP Addresses?
I have a little confession to make..I was SkandarsQueen, but  have re-registered under this name because my old profile wasnt working, truthfully. It wouldnt allow me to PM or modify my profile. I'm sorry if this wasnt allowed; re-registering and all. But, now, everything is working smoothly. I think it was the moving from one forum to another that screwed up my old profile. Not to complain, but,  ijust wanted to confess about my re-registering.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Mazukov on May 15, 2006, 06:55:36 AM
You can do what is called an IP range ban.ect. However you can also surf around the net using mutable IP’s . so that sort of toss’s a wrench into the IP ban’s because they can get around them if one knows what there  doing.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on May 15, 2006, 10:30:18 AM
As I said before I DO ban IP addresses. However there are some providers that are VERY popular and we have many users who also use those same IPs. I can't exactly ban the whole city of New York or Los Angeles can I?
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on May 15, 2006, 10:57:44 AM
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I have decided that it actually is constructive to demonstrate that this has been a problem, and have decided to "out" the alias names of several other suspended users, as I have been accused of unfairly banning them.

Rskkiya aka: finelly, elfwine, catt.sydney, leushino, praskovia, vera figner, barishchina

Darth Olga: oscarwilde, Oscar Wilde, comrade, Olga Rodionovna

CalebG.Money: bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson

UPDATE:

CalebG.Money: bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson, applespidersauce
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: OlgaNRomanovaFan on May 16, 2006, 06:16:33 AM
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applespidersauce

I did wonder if this was another alias. They used the same arguments that AA was AN that the other names previously did.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: GD Alexandra on May 16, 2006, 10:07:35 AM
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applespidersauce

I did wonder if this was another alias. They used the same arguments that AA was AN that the other names previously did.

Me too.. got to that conclusion when I was in the Anastasia thread and he/she came out with a really strange argument.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on May 21, 2006, 09:51:24 AM
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I have decided that it actually is constructive to demonstrate that this has been a problem, and have decided to "out" the alias names of several other suspended users, as I have been accused of unfairly banning them.

Rskkiya aka: finelly, elfwine, catt.sydney, leushino, praskovia, vera figner, barishchina

Darth Olga: oscarwilde, Oscar Wilde, comrade, Olga Rodionovna

CalebG.Money: bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson

UPDATE:

CalebG.Money: bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson, applespidersauce

NEW UPDATE:

CalebG.Money: bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson, applespidersauce, Anna Sue (claiming to be a "San Francisco lesbian!!"  ;D)
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Margarita Markovna on May 21, 2006, 12:19:03 PM
That has to be the most unique yet.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Tania+ on May 22, 2006, 08:32:04 PM
 ;D  rlf   ;D  lol

well all i can say is they are 'kind of' inventive...
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: imperial angel on May 24, 2006, 05:09:33 PM
Anna Sue did seem rather strange to me-when will this person stop? Those psychos do make a big splash, always, nor matter what user name they use.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on May 26, 2006, 08:22:16 PM
on another, rather spurious forum to be sure, CalebGMoney, bigbee et all admitted the following:

And I never signed up as 'Anna Sue'. So it was seven times. so now we have a genuine answer...
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on May 31, 2006, 09:11:47 AM
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I have decided that it actually is constructive to demonstrate that this has been a problem, and have decided to "out" the alias names of several other suspended users, as I have been accused of unfairly banning them.

Rskkiya aka: finelly, elfwine, catt.sydney, leushino, praskovia, vera figner, barishchina

Darth Olga: oscarwilde, Oscar Wilde, comrade, Olga Rodionovna

CalebG.Money: bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson

UPDATE:

CalebG.Money: bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson, applespidersauce

NEW UPDATE:

CalebG.Money: bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson, applespidersauce, Anna Sue (claiming to be a "San Francisco lesbian!!"  ;D)

NEW UPDATE:

CalebG.Money: bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson, applespidersauce, Anna Sue (claiming to be a "San Francisco lesbian!!"  ;D),Romanov@Lover
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: imperial angel on May 31, 2006, 12:06:53 PM
Well, you have to give it to that person for being inventive.  ;D
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: OlgaNRomanovaFan on May 31, 2006, 04:44:37 PM
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NEW UPDATE:
CalebG.Money: bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson, applespidersauce, Anna Sue (claiming to be a "San Francisco lesbian!!"  ;D),Romanov@Lover

When will this person give up?
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: imperial angel on May 31, 2006, 05:23:59 PM
Yes, they hold the record of attempts to get back under different names it seems. I love the forum, even if now in the summer I am more busy so I am not able to be on as much. These people may have time, but they are not using the forum wisely.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Princess_Olishka on June 01, 2006, 01:03:27 AM
Omg  :o, now is Romanov@Lover all those people?? This is ridiculous! >:( I'm in shock!
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Belochka on June 01, 2006, 01:15:03 AM
[size=10]One issue that gave this person away was their deliberate rudeness and unpalatable commentary posted to incite trouble on this forum.

Thank you FA for ridding this forum of this pathological menace.[/size]
[/color]  :)
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on June 01, 2006, 09:37:54 AM
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Omg  :o, now is Romanov@Lover all those people?? This is ridiculous! >:( I'm in shock!

they are all indeed the same child from Sulfur Louisiana...
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Tania+ on June 01, 2006, 11:05:27 AM
FA,

This is what I call 'in sulfurable' !   ;D

Tatiana+



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Omg  :o, now is Romanov@Lover all those people?? This is ridiculous! >:( I'm in shock!

they are all indeed the same child from Sulfur Louisiana...
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Valmont on June 01, 2006, 07:14:57 PM
Vera Figner told  me  she was Dashkova's daugther.. Now .. I come to think they were the same person
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: aussiechick12 on June 01, 2006, 08:57:43 PM
This is getting slightly ridiculous!! How much more time does the FA have to spend on these people? They should be ashamed of themselves, wasting people's time and being rude to others. I still can't believe how many people there are on that list.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on June 02, 2006, 09:00:27 AM
He's back; as romanovwarrior this time.

I do admire his use of inventive usernames.

Rachel
xx
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on June 02, 2006, 09:48:05 AM
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He's back; as romanovwarrior this time.

Not any more... 8-)
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: imperial angel on June 02, 2006, 12:13:46 PM
Well, hopefully he won't try again; even doing so shows he is deranged.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Jay on June 03, 2006, 10:59:27 AM
 :o Shocking is about the only word I can think of to descibe some of the behavior displayed by some of those people. Thank goodness we have a FA that's dedicated to ridding this wonderful forum of these menaces. It's saddening that he has to waste time on these individuals. Anyway, thankyou FA for helping to keep this forum a nice place to discuss Romanov history for those of us that are genuinely interested in doing so. Your selfless dedication is appreciated.

                                                      > Jay
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Georgiy on June 03, 2006, 09:03:06 PM
I might have known Leushino/Rsskiya et al wasn't Orthodox. Some things just didn't ring true - especially the part when discussing whether the IF are Saints or not and Leushino more or less said they didn't care what the Church's position was on it as far as 'he' was concerned they aren't. I would not have thought that Finelly was the same person though. Quite amazing how these people manage to get in and cause havoc - and they seem to get worse and worse.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: AlexP@asia.com on June 03, 2006, 10:20:34 PM
Last year I deregistered myself from this Board after a series of withering attacks from Finelly and all of what-are-now-known as her alter aliases..

1.  Prior to that I had referred the matter to our highly competent experts here in the People's Republic of China and they had been able to determine that indeed she had been using many, many myriad personalities.

2.  I wrote Rob Moshein about this on several occasion and his answer was quite the opposite of what has now been posted on this thread, in effect, that no she was not using other aliases.  I knew the opposite to be true.  It is amazing that how one year later that has been demonstrated in public.

3.  Many but not all of the posters on this thread solidly aligned themselves with Finelly and I received several less-than-charming PMs to which I responded in kind.  One posteress even went so far as to say "kill one of my best threads", and many of those persons replying herein took her strident defense and the defense of what we know have seen to be her many personalites.

4.  I can only wonder, after one year, if there is not the least feeling of shame, to be honest at this conduct.  I am who I am and have demonstrated and yet when I made the proven assertion that Finelly was a fraud, things became very disagreable.  One poster even put up a thread entitled "What Happened to Poor Finelly" and Finelly and all her aliases had a party with that one..again plus many on this Board.

5.  So my point is sincere.  You were duped.  You participated, many of you, in the duping.  I deregistered and left quite hurt.  And now all of you that were parties to this incident, I would like to ask you again whether or not there is any sense of shame or embarrasment on your parts?  Frankly, I personally would feel mortified to have joined up in a collective ganging-up like a lynch mob only to find out that I was involved with a manipulative, scurrulous character...which has now been demonstrated by events.

6.  Last year there was talk of setting up a Russian Literature Board.  There was a vote.  It was organized by RichC and by Liz.  The Russians on this Board split.  There were ten votes in favour of what RichC and Liz wanted to do....two of those were their real votes...and the other 8 votes came from what I now know as Finelly and her aliases....My dear God....

Simply on a human level, and I say this to all of you very kindly, including Rob Moshein, if you have participated albeit unknowingly in a sham or duplicituous act and this has caused unnecessary hurt, should not apologies be proferred?  That is surely what I would do as a gentleman.  Then again, to each his own.

And no, I have not registered with a false log-on.  I have no reason to do so.

Alexandre A. Moussine-Pouschkine
TianHe, GuangZhou, China (formerly Shanghai)
Sunday Morning, June 4, 2006

And fyi there are still some Russians in China from the old emigration

www.russianshangai.com
www.russianbeijing.com
www.rusharbin.com
www.orthodox.cn


Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: LisaDavidson on June 04, 2006, 12:24:03 AM
Alex - Welcome back.

I, too, have been hurt by unkind things said by posters on the Forum. When this happens, I have learned to step back for a day or two. It really helps. When I first started posting online years ago I would totally quit the group I was in and then come back some months later.

In my experience, people rarely apologize even for very rude behavior. And, those who are acting as a lynch mob rarely see how frightening they are to others - they are so convinced they are right.

It helps to develop a thicker skin. It helps to not take things personally.  It helps to develop authentic friendships It helps to, as I said, take a break when these things don't work. I still think I have learned alot in my years online - I just wish it didn't get so nasty at times.

Lisa
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: AlexP@asia.com on June 04, 2006, 12:41:01 AM
Dear Lisa,

Thank you for an exceptionally gracious posting.    Please do not infer from my original posting that this was directed at you in any way, shape or manner...because it was not.

But when I looked over the list of the posters on this particular thread who were lamenting that they were duped by Finelly, or couldn't believe it, etc., etc., nearly all of them, or at least the majority of them, had written or PMed me at one time or another on her behalf saying or writing the worst of all things possible, degrading me, debasing me, etc., etc.   I nearly died when one sweet old lady from a Southern state wrote that Rob should 'kill" all of my postings....it was revolting and so I left.

And yet one year later, these very same persons appear on this thread to proclaim complete innocence of all events surrounding Finelly, even though as a lynchmob, they really feasted on my poor intellectual carcass.  There needs to be an honesty and a morality in what we do and in what we say, online and offline.  There needs to be a higher morality out there.  If we waylay and fell a complete stranger at someone's else behest, and appear to take delight in doing so, then when the truth is revealed, one needs to apologize...but as you say, this never happens.  Nonetheless, I wanted to write this anyway just so that the event and the erroneous attacks would not go unwitnessed.

Again, thank you for the exceptionally gracious posting.  It has given me much thought for reflection, just as I hope that my postings have stirred the consciences of certain other posters.

We will see.

AlexP.
GuangZhou

all the best
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Belochka on June 04, 2006, 01:18:52 AM
[size=10]Welcome back Alex!

I hope that your return shall prove to be a positive experience.

Some of us here have had unwelcome slurs directed in our direction. After some reflection I found it best to ignore it and maintain a calm sense of decorum, even if time out was my best option.

The majority of posters I have encountered here are wonderful.

Kind regards,

Margarita[/size]
[/color]  :)
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Tania+ on June 04, 2006, 01:25:09 AM
[size=10]When I first entered on this forum, I was prepared in many ways for the antics of those individuals who work at not only making themselves a public menace, but to those who assail others for no reason whatsoever. [I learned early on when I first entered on the internet, by my friends in the police department, friends in undercover work, etc., who not only warned me, but told me to report each, every individual immediately, plus print out all information sent by these culprits. I did that then, and I continue to do so, even from this website. I also sent copies of their posts sent me from various individuals direct to our FA. I sent copies of these post also to a few friends who are members of the AP Forum, so they would be forwarned, and be wittness of the whole interfaces of those posters who assailed me. I suggest that others who may find themselves in similar understandings, to do the same.  Our FA, and all the moderators are very sensitized to these issues, and are pretty quick to respond effectively. It's up to all of us as well not to stay mum about those who work to make our interfaces on line uncomfortable, etc.

I am told our follow thru in the regard of the above reporting, may at some time save not only hours for investigators, but other avenues of ongoing investigation and investigators monitoring the websites, and internet round the clock. These crazed individuals are of course international, and it seems they have no boundries, nor respect for anyone. It is sad that these handful can ruin it for those of us who continue to honor and respect basic lawful curtisies.

Lisa is right, developing a thicker skin might be of help, but there is a limit to every one's patience. In the regard of this person with so many aliases, they have lost their rights, nor do they deserve imho to be allowed to be in membership anywhere on the global internet.

I'm very thankful for the FA, and our fine moderators, who respond round the clock in keeping our AP Thread free from harm, etc. Thank you one and all !

Tatiana+[/size]
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: AlexP@asia.com on June 04, 2006, 02:29:05 AM
The above post discusses at length the limits and ramifications of free speech and personal opinions, albeit in rather Orwellian manner, in my opinion.

I truly appreciate this kind post but find that it somewhat begged the moral issue that I raised.  Agreed -- bannning a multiple-faceted user is truly the end-product of such regrettable behaviour.

Turning the Internet into a police state is another matter and was not the purpose of my postings.

I raised a moral issue, which Lisa Davidson so correctly identified and answered.

While we are discussing the issue of Finelly, it is not Finelly the person that is the issue here.  The question I raised was whether all of those who joined Finelly's and her multiple-personalities' crusade and bandwagon in its hounding of human beings are just as culpable as Finelly and her myriad personalities themselves.  IMHO, yes...particularly when I read this thread and so many of the posters are behaving in a rather disingenuous manner, a manner which I know to be quite distant from the facts and comportment at the time.

Do time and distance absolve one of moral responsability?  Do time and distance absolve one of egregious misconduct?  Those are my questions.

If someone hands a person a weapon and says to that person "I am a good person, that person over there is evil, go do damage", who is the more culpable?

On a much grander scale than this, my thoughts go back to the last War.  When the American Army entered Nazi Germany, there were no Nazis to be found....no one was a Nazi...That was personal absolution on a great magnitude...

But there are smaller magnitudes of the same principal, and doing one person's bidding to harm another, is nonetheless reprehensible, at least IMHO.

All of the best.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on June 04, 2006, 10:29:29 AM
Good morning Alex and welcome back.

My only comment on the Finelly issue will be this.  [highlight]At the time of our discussion[/highlight] there was no genuine proof that I could find, nor offered by you of multiple alias names.  The other names used were, as far as my investigation could tell, created and used after she was first banned.

As the FA, I am in a precarious position.  I am often besieged with claims that other users are creating fake names or acting in some sort of conspiracy playing out in PM and email.  Demands for banning these people are sent.  I refuse to become some Draconian figure, or Orwellian "big brother".  My guiding moral principle is this "I trust everyone until they demonstrate by actions that they are untrustworthy".  I would rather let one such multiple run loose for a couple of weeks than cut off and ban an innocent person.  If this upsets some users, so be it. Its our forum.

We all grow and learn.  I myself have changed a bit in the last year.  I have a new outlook, and in fact this is a good place to quote what I wrote over in another thread:

I am attempting to keep this discussion based upon reality and evidence as opposed to speculation and theory offered without foundation (which is the realm of "Having Fun").

This site is devoted to historical discussion and if people want to engage in baseless speculation this is not the place.  There are plenty of un-moderated fantasy sites elsewhere on the web for the "what-ifs" "dna switching conspiracies" and "alien abduction rescues" and their multi-alias, foul-mouthed, shreaking lunatic flame wars.  

That aint us.  We would rather have just ten users who discuss genuine history than 5,000 fantasy spinners, so please stop blackmailing me with the "so many ex-members" routine...


I look forward to more of your thoughtful and insightful contributions to the Forum.

Best regards,
Rob
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: LisaDavidson on June 04, 2006, 11:02:05 AM
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Dear Lisa,

Thank you for an exceptionally gracious posting.    Please do not infer from my original posting that this was directed at you in any way, shape or manner...because it was not.

But when I looked over the list of the posters on this particular thread who were lamenting that they were duped by Finelly, or couldn't believe it, etc., etc., nearly all of them, or at least the majority of them, had written or PMed me at one time or another on her behalf saying or writing the worst of all things possible, degrading me, debasing me, etc., etc.   I nearly died when one sweet old lady from a Southern state wrote that Rob should 'kill" all of my postings....it was revolting and so I left.

And yet one year later, these very same persons appear on this thread to proclaim complete innocence of all events surrounding Finelly, even though as a lynchmob, they really feasted on my poor intellectual carcass.  There needs to be an honesty and a morality in what we do and in what we say, online and offline.  There needs to be a higher morality out there.  If we waylay and fell a complete stranger at someone's else behest, and appear to take delight in doing so, then when the truth is revealed, one needs to apologize...but as you say, this never happens.  Nonetheless, I wanted to write this anyway just so that the event and the erroneous attacks would not go unwitnessed.

Again, thank you for the exceptionally gracious posting.  It has given me much thought for reflection, just as I hope that my postings have stirred the consciences of certain other posters.

We will see.

AlexP.
GuangZhou

all the best

Dear Alex:

I did not see myself in your posting, but thank you for being concerned about that. I am indeed glad to hear you have rejoined us.

To again be happily part of this Forum, I suspect you shall have to forgive those who you believe have wronged you. I have found in my life that this process leaves me freer to do the many things I love doing. I believe a man far greater than either of us showed us clearly that this was the most ethical path for us to take in such circumstances.

You have the chance to be a force for tremendous good here. Help us to make the Forum a safe place for everyone, most especially the younger people. And, thank goodness for Rob and Courtney. This week, even though I am not a "younger people" I was able to turn to them for help when I was having a difficult time. Remember, this Forum is simply a blank slate, so it is up to everyone to make this a great place to be.

Lisa
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: David_Pritchard on June 04, 2006, 11:14:38 AM
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=snip=

On a much grander scale than this, my thoughts go back to the last War.  When the American Army entered Nazi Germany, there were no Nazis to be found....no one was a Nazi...That was personal absolution on a great magnitude...

But there are smaller magnitudes of the same principal, and doing one person's bidding to harm another, is nonetheless reprehensible, at least IMHO.

Dear AlexP,

Are you suggesting that this Forum go through a programme of de-Finellyisation? The longer that this topic is discussed, the more I have recalled about the circumstances that caused me to believe Finelly's accusations, namely my being accused of not being who I am nor living in the town that I did. The central victim in this episode did himself no favour by taking Finelly's mode of operation and turning it on others who would have prefered not to have been involved at all.

That stated, it will be wonderful to have you back on the forum. I found your posts to be very well written, insightful and full of little known historical and genealogical facts. Your posts have been missed by many persons on this forum.

Best wishes,

David
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Dominic_Albanese on June 04, 2006, 01:18:52 PM
Dear AlexP - while we've already conversed via PM - allow me to also publicly welcome you back.  I'm delighted that you are here and can't wait to continue to benefit from your posts that so often offered new and surprising information – atleast to this poster.

Warm Regards,

dca
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: grandduchessella on June 04, 2006, 01:24:38 PM
Yes, welcome back. It's always nice to see someone who has left (either by disregistration or just 'dropping out' for awhile) return. Hopefully more will follow your example.

I never had any negative experiences with Finelly myself but, as I noted, it was really rather embarrassing to find that I'd exchanged some PMs (albeit not many) and engaged in discussions on topics with the person only to find out they were someone else. I didn't know the reasons behind Finelly leaving until after the fact since apparently most of the trouble was on threads I didn't visit.

Still, I've had my run-ins (again, thankfully few) with a few people on the group and as Lisa says, it often helps to just step back for awhile. I've also had several good friends and we occasionally PM each other just to vent. Keeping it private with some trusted pals often keeps the angry feelings from spilling out onto the Forum and often entangling innocent bystanders as well--not to mention potentially making the thread (or the Forum itself) seem an unpleasant or unwelcoming place.

There have also been occasions were I felt I was in the wrong about my tone (or someone PM'd me that they'd taken something differently than I'd intended) and written the person privately to explain and/or apologize. It can be very easy to misinterpret statements posted online when you can't view a person's body language or hear the inflections of a voice. I'm not saying this happened to you since, obviously, feelings were made quite obvious and in an abusive way. Still, it's something I tried to take into consideration when I post or feel slighted by someone else. It doesn't always work and I sometimes get rather snippy or defensive and it never makes me feel good afterwards.

Anyway, I'm glad you felt secure enough to come back and open up about your feelings. I hope more people who have left but possibly could still be monitoring what's going on follow your example. I've also tried to encourage people both on the sections I previously monitored and now in the larger role to PM me with issues they may be having before things get out of control. I always hate to see people leave and would like the chance to perhaps intervene and keep that from happening. We've lost too many good people in my opinion.  :(
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Tania+ on June 04, 2006, 01:59:42 PM
[size=10]Dear FA,

My apologies if I placed you or any moderator of this wonderful forum, as an Orwellian "big brother".
I did not know Finelly, so I cannot make or do not wish to speak about someone I did not know. However, by all accounts, my understanding as was with the last poster with many aliases, plainly we do not need people who waste time and energy of all concerned.

Ignoring the individuals, I would say is done by most AP members, but only perhaps after these malcontents have been flushed out. However, there remain those persons in question, who still may distance themselves from their own past discourteous behaviors, and see themselves totally as untouchable. There is of course an old adage that states about being burned once...in essence, the same thing in regards to our internet issues, as losing trust in a person, because of their aberrant behavior online. I have met some of these 'type of personalities' and I am not at all in any mood of or to receiving further posts from people as such. Much of the time, issues are taken off line; to be settled in whatever it is that may be problematic with the poster in question. Sometimes, there are people who just cannot take the hint, and continue to be they way the are, rude, and overbearing.

When this happened to me last year, and I could not take the difficulty any more. I sent my post, along with the number of posts the irritator had sent me initially, on to you directly FA, [but this was only to lay proof that this person was a bit on the deep end of things], and I wished no more difficulty. This issue soon after was resolved, as you know, by the person being banned, but it obviously was for a limited amount of time.Now the poster is back...I feel better that I made copies of this original members posts to me, and that i gave others copies to back me up. It is all the more transparent of a person, when they wish to claim pure innocence, whitewash themselves, and believe themselves as 'holier than thou' attitudes. It makes one wonder even more about their intellect being used without sensitivity, certainly without any moral care.

I am like most others: I may be able to forgive, but I will not forget. I hope there are those who will and do understand my statement, based on the issues I was forced to go through. This same poster, continued to let loose with terrible stories about other members who were unable to defend themselves, and still sees themselves as above reproach. People as this cannot claim innocence, when they are no better in reality, than those who work to impair the full positive means of communication for all AP members...[/i]

It was revolting to me as well to receive these unwarranted posts, and as others on this forum know, I was ready to leave the forum. Had it not been for others who told me it was not me, and that i had every right to be here, and the this person in serious question [by all] had more than lost their marbles, I felt better, and decided to stay. I assure you, i had discussed it thoroughly with many here who are members; I discussed it with those who were just onlookers, whom do not post precisely because of their hesitancy that they might run into such characters, and in reality wanted nothing of that issue to transpire, period. I am sure under conditions such as the above, every conscience is more than raised, and nobody but no one, wants to ever have this or any similar type issues transpire again.

I wonder again, should this will occur with another member, or myself, will we have to suffer in silence, or to whom may we turn to gain sufficient follow thru, or how should situations as this be handled, and to whom should one address this issue ?

I agree wholeheartedly with you FA, that there should be "discussion based upon reality and evidence as opposed to speculation and theory[ies] offered". Let's pray that this remains as a real focus.

So with all the above being stated, it is my hope that the days, weeks, and months ahead will be of positive communication, and less of those wishing to offer duplicitous acts, or shams.  ;)

Thank you again for all your kind support FA, and always, your generosity of advice!

Tatiana+[/size]





Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on June 04, 2006, 02:30:43 PM
Tania,
You or any user who feel they are being attacked personally or abused must never "suffer in silence".  That is why I am here, why Courtney and Lisa are here.  We all want to ensure this to be a safe and peaceful environment for all to participate. Our electronic doors are always open to you, via PM or email.

FA
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Tania+ on June 04, 2006, 02:39:47 PM
Dear FA,

 :-*

Thank you ! Your the bestest FA that am !   ;)


Tatiana+
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: imperial angel on June 05, 2006, 02:11:39 PM
Well, that person who called themselves Finnelly among other things did stir up much trouble. And that went on into the early months of this year, but it is the past and they are gone. So I will try to forget, even though there are times when I remember the words Leushino directed at me in the Alexandra threads, and I shudder as much as when I first read them. Why people support people like this is beyond me, but sometimes that happens. But these people were duped, and their actions were thus not informed, and should not be used against them. It's easy to forgive innoocent victims, but it is harder to forgive the person themselves, who is no doubt terrorizing people offline somewhere.  >:( The FA and the rest do a great job, amd indeed care must be taken so that innocent people are not kicked off the forum, and those who are rude and disruptive are. I think we should enjoy the best of the forum, and try to forget individuals like Finnelly.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: AlexP@asia.com on June 05, 2006, 10:31:47 PM
Dear Imperial Angel:

Thank you for your post.  Thank you for answering so directly the issues that I raised and also thank you for doing so in such a kind and gentle and noble manner.    I am truly sorry that you were also one of the victims of that person and her cohort and fallen angels.

On another note, I had smile on my face  :) when  I was thinking how your name might be translated into 19th Court Russian :  Vashe Avgusthechee Angelstvo (Your Most August Angelic One).  What a wonderful name...

All of the best from GuangZhou, PRC

AlexP

And thank you for the good sound advice...sometimes the past recedes slowly while the scars heal.



Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: imperial angel on June 08, 2006, 12:14:10 PM
Thanks- I am glad you raised the issues you raised. The points you made are very valid, and I can defintely relate to it. This forum is a wonderful place, but sometimes we have gotten those who remind us here, until they are banned that much of the world in my experience is not as wonderful as this forum. I have never felt more at home on any forum than on this one. You have a great deal of knowledge, and thanks for sharing it with that translation.  :)
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on June 13, 2006, 04:12:01 PM
[quote author=Forum"I trust everyone until they demonstrate by actions that they are untrustworthy".  


This is my take on life as well and I guess I was standing some where else when the whole Finelly thing was going on.  I just didn't know anything about it and was trying to reserve my judgement until I knew more.

I hope I have never said or done anything to hurt any poster on this site.  That is never my intention.

If I ever defended one of the "multiple personalities" of the above mentioned person, then it was becuase I did not know who I was talking about.  I would never have thought about signing in as more than one person and because of that would never have imagined in a million years that someone else would do that.

To all here and to Rob and Bob, this site has brought me so much pleasure and I have learned so much even about subjects that I would never have looked into had there not been threads on this forum.

And to AlexP, we too have conversed in PM and I now welcome you back on the public forum.

I was duped by Leushino.  I am not at all embarrassed by this because I had no way of knowing that he/she was indeed someone else.  We even began a personal email conversation about Orthodox Easter.  What am I sorry about is that all of the "information" and "warm feelings" that I brought away from those emails were bogus.

It's funny - I warned my son about the internet and to be careful of sites like "My Space.com" (which the teens love) but I never thought that I myself would be a victim of an internet predator.

As someone else began to say  "Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me"

FA - I am glad that you posted all of the aliases, because the first time I asked you about where Leushino had gone, you simply told me that I shouldn't worry about where that poster had gone.  It gave me no reason and, of course, Leushino was filling my emails with false information and blaming the entire thing on you.

Had I been more impressionable and less myself, I could have been "booted" to.  Just for bothering you with the incident.  I now understand why you were quick to judge a site I posted for others to see, you had heard me question and perhaps champion Leushino and had no idea that I was completely in the dark and not in league with him/her.

Sorry this became so long, but since AlexP asked if any of us feel that we should bear the burden of guilt in this whole thing, I wanted to let others know what had happened to me.  And my answer is, I don't feel morally responsible for the disinformation that was heaped on me.  How could I?

This situation is just one more in a long list that should make us all the more careful of the internet and what we say on it.



Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: imperial angel on June 14, 2006, 10:12:04 AM
Exactly, and thanks for sharing your experiences with Leushino. People in those kind of sitiuations are innocent, if they are completely unaware as you were. Indeed, it is easier to be the innocent prey of people like this than you might think.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on June 15, 2006, 01:19:47 AM
I have just now seen this thread, and I am too shocked! It's weird finding out you were talking to the same person, and they flat out lied to you.

About talking to strangers online, I treat them like I do strangers on the street. Be polite and nice, but don't give them any information so they can track you down and harm you. I have stupidly (is that a word?) given out my address before, but luckily, nothing came of it.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on June 16, 2006, 07:21:38 PM
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I have decided that it actually is constructive to demonstrate that this has been a problem, and have decided to "out" the alias names of several other suspended users, as I have been accused of unfairly banning them.

Rskkiya aka: finelly, elfwine, catt.sydney, leushino, praskovia, vera figner, barishchina, Redamber
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: grandduchessella on June 16, 2006, 08:24:43 PM
I thought something might be up with that one (Redamber). The very first post and she was trying to bait people into an argument. >:(  That's not usually newbie behavior. I tried to nip any confrontation in the bud--we'll see, her posts are still in a quote.  :-/ (Of course, my post in response, attempting to steer the discussion back, now looks completely out of place.  :P )
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on June 17, 2006, 12:02:12 AM
My guess is that Rskkiya is enjoying getting kicked out over and over again. She isn't being too careful if she is actually trying to fool us.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on June 17, 2006, 10:08:13 AM
I am beginning to feel like Fox Mulder of the X-Files.

"TRUST NO ONE!"

Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on June 17, 2006, 10:37:52 AM
Add "hellokitty2121" to the list of Rskkiya, elfwine et al:

a PM she sent should be telling to everyone of her thinking, any wonder WHY Im not fond of someone who admits sneaking back in despite being banned for behavior violations?:

  Subject: Re: response to an ancient message
« Date: 04/16/06 at 17:34:56 »
Hello Dear!
 
    Yes Its me rskkiya/elf/catt... How are you?
Regarding your post on being 'outed' I think it ironic that the FA mispelled my name (hehehe)!  
    But HOW can I seek justice? Rob hates me - why- I honestly don't know... . By the way I HAVE NEVER CALLED HIM "PSYCHO!"  I may have thought it but that's all. Until they discover me as HelloKitty I will haunt this place sporatically  Wink
red love  
rskkiya
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Laura Mabee on June 17, 2006, 03:41:13 PM
Just for the record, maybe we should nip this thread in the budd so it doesn't end up like an insult thread or gossip thread. I've visited a few other forums and seen some pretty ugly things. I really do not wish for it to transfer over to here.
Just my humble opinion...
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on June 17, 2006, 03:56:48 PM
Laura,

I agree that we don't want a "gossip" thread.  But having been taken in once and then almost twice more, I am glad that FA is telling us the about the "multiple personalities" of the banned users.

I am naturally inclined to take everyone at "poster" value (since I can't see any faces for face value) and I am truly hurt by the abuses.

I think I may be a target, because I did converse so long with leushino and and we both imparted a lot of information to each other. My info was imparted in good faith and was true. Leushino, however, told me that he was a man named James and that he was married and a devout Russian Orthodox.  We mostly discussed Orthodox Easter, but other things worked their way in.

I have been contacted in PM by both Redamber and Hellokitty2121.

Thankfully, since HelloKitty2121 was defending leushino as well as Vera Figner and others, I contacted FA before I got too involved again.

I am now afraid to post anything and when a "newbie" posts, I am afraid to believe that this new person is for real.

You are right, of course, that we don't need to get too "catty" to coin a pun, but I hope that FA continues to let us know what is going on behind the scenes.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on June 17, 2006, 04:07:47 PM
The expression is to "nip it in the bud"... ;)  ie: before it grows into a flower and gets larger.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on June 17, 2006, 04:11:50 PM
Alixz, you shouldn't take it too personally. It's enough to drive you crazy.  :-/ I do wonder what Rskkiya's home life is like, though. She obviously has nothing better to do than come on here and cause trouble.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on June 17, 2006, 04:56:14 PM
I would not be afraid to post, or engage newbies to be honest. We have almost 3800 users now. Several hundred users every day, and always fifty or so in the forum at any given time. The number of these pathetic, obsessed troublemakers who can't tolerate being banned is only two or three people.

Clearly, 99.8% of our users are honest decent people. Please don't let these few spoil your experience. Frankly, disruption and fear are probably part of their agenda.

Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Laura Mabee on June 17, 2006, 04:59:04 PM
AlixZ> I am sorry that you have been taken in by users on this forum. I understand where you are coming from. About a year ago last summer, I was taken in by a forum member here as well. I was ignorant enough to exchange phone numbers and other information, and since have learned to regret it. I do understand how hurtful it can be when you trust someone, only to have it seemingly thrown back at you.

Since then, I have been lucky enough to have gained the trust of some members on this forum, and have made some great friends. I have no doubt that through this forum you'll be able to make some friendships that will take make the past hurt dissapear  :-*

FA> Thank you ;)
It seems my generation has taken polite sayings and put a spin on them. I really do appreciate the correction on that one.  :D

Maybe, as an idea, we can just post the names/aliases of returning members so we know who is lying. But maybe we could keep the chatter about the individuals to ourselves or PM's if necessary?
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Tania+ on June 17, 2006, 08:13:42 PM
Dear AlexZ,

I remembered when you reached out to me, asking me what to do about one of the 'personality' spammers. I told you to trust Rob, and Lisa, and make sure they knew. After reading your post here today, I am sorry that you were fooled by this person, and had your trust broken. It is terrible when we are faced with not knowing if a person is lying, or just ill because of their needing constant attention !

It is indeed a terrible feeling to have one's trust broken. Trust is still today a very important word in all of our languages, and each of our lives. We write usually from our hearts, and offer what we can for the good of all. Unfortunately, there are those who place our feelings, our trust, and our energies at the bottom of all that is of importance.

All I can say is please continue to trust Bob, Rob, and your moderators here. Certainly here on this wonderful forum are an abundunt array of enthustiac and well qualified global historians, and others who more than 'care'. I have had the pleasure of meeting some pretty wonderful human hearts. I know only that you must not give up, and we are here to support you should you feel bereft, etc.

Our Forum Administrator is right, don't be afraid to post. WE can't keep living in fear, or apprehension.
Let's not let those impaired by their own negativity, to leave a ceaspool of doubt, keeping us from posting freely. There ARE decent people here, so keep the faith, and keep posting !!!!

Tatana+
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Speedycat on June 17, 2006, 08:52:46 PM
Wow, this whole topic has made my stomach churn :-X .  It reminds me of some bad experiences I had at another Forum.  I have been blessed at this forum to have met several very nice, honest caring people who have become genuine friends.

I have a rather stupid question to ask..............I have noticed several names with "Ex-Member" next to them.  Is there a distinction made between those who have chosen to leave and those who are banned?  Are they all labeled Ex-Member?
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Margarita Markovna on June 17, 2006, 11:01:19 PM
I think they're all labeled the same way. When Nessa_Ancalimon accidently deleted her old account (Anastasia_R), the Anastasia_R posts showed up exactly the same way. Same with all the other members who, unfortunately, have left of their own accord.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on June 18, 2006, 06:05:15 PM
Thank you all so much for your kind words of support.   :)

Tania, I know you have reached out to me as well.   :-*

I have had many pleasurable hours on the forum, reading old threads and researching to post on new ones.  I have gained a much bigger library of books and films because of the threads devoted to those items.  I think that my husband wishes I didn't.   :o

I love weaving all of the interesting facts together for a much more complete picture of the times we here love to discuss.  I have never not learned something new or gotten a new take on something old.

FA:  I will try not to be too "poster shy".  And as Tania told me before and yet again today, I will trust you and the moderators.

Also, I would not have revealed what I knew about leushino except as a cautionary tale.  To tell the truth, it is still very hard to believe that he/she was not at all the poster I believed in.  I think that is what hurts the most.  Looking back, every post and e-mail seened so honest and without malice.  Just the kind of thing that two people would send to one another in a virtual friendship.   :(

However, I know that Rob and Bob and Lisa are hard at work to keep this forum a good place to be.  It is a heavy responsibility.  I know they work very hard.

Again, I thank all of you.  You have all helped to begin to restore my faith in this site and what it deserves to be.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: imperial angel on June 21, 2006, 10:51:00 AM
Yes, we don't want this to be a gossip thread. But it is also a very instructuve thread, and that ought to continue. Personally, I have learned much from it, and I think others have as well. People like this are perhaps just too messed up for us to even pay attention to them, aka leushino and others. I really never knew the these people more than from their posts, which was enough for me. But almost all of us are great members, and good people.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: marina on June 22, 2006, 11:16:19 AM
I send this message only to tell you that Marina is now burger queen; but I'm not psychotic!
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Tania+ on June 22, 2006, 11:39:28 AM
Dear Burger Queen,

Of cours your not psychotic ! Think positive of yourself, please.  :) We all do!

By the way why have you chosen the name burger queen ? Interesting name.
Excuse my manners, if I have not welcomed you before, I welcome you now!
I look forward to your posts and comments. God Bless !

Tatiana+



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I send this message only to tell you that Marina is now burger queen; but I'm not psychotic!
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: marina on June 22, 2006, 01:56:23 PM
Thank you!!
Well, I (re)discovered a song called "Burger Queen" of Placebo that I like very much, I like hamburger and this is a royalty forum, so... here is Burger Queen!!  8-)
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Teddy on June 22, 2006, 04:33:36 PM
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Add "hellokitty2121" to the list of Rskkiya, elfwine et al:

a PM she sent should be telling to everyone of her thinking, any wonder WHY Im not fond of someone who admits sneaking back in despite being banned for behavior violations?:

  Subject: Re: response to an ancient message
« Date: 04/16/06 at 17:34:56 »
Hello Dear!
 
    Yes Its me rskkiya/elf/catt... How are you?
Regarding your post on being 'outed' I think it ironic that the FA mispelled my name (hehehe)!  
    But HOW can I seek justice? Rob hates me - why- I honestly don't know... . By the way I HAVE NEVER CALLED HIM "PSYCHO!"  I may have thought it but that's all. Until they discover me as HelloKitty I will haunt this place sporatically  Wink
red love  
rskkiya

Thats creepy :o
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: AlexP@asia.com on June 24, 2006, 08:16:24 AM
I concur with Imperial Angel in that this Thread is a very good catharsis.

I regretfully do not concur with Laura Mabee that this thread should be shut down or locked.

Particularly given the previous posting, in which Finelly Praskovia, Vera Figner Hello Kitty, or whatever continues to return to haunt this Board.  How much damage does one person wish to do and does this person have no shame at all?

But Rob, why don't you out her or him somewhere?  Where does he or she come from? We learned the GCalebmoney comes from a small town in Katriana-drenched Louisiana.  How about this Finelly creature?  And why such a predilection for this Board?

Catharsis is good.  The truth will lead where the truth will lead.

Alex P.
GuangZhou, PRC
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on June 24, 2006, 09:03:15 AM
Perhaps the new name for these posters who continue to disrupt the intellegent flow of information on the site should be "cyber bullies" or perhaps "cyber thieves"

I can't think what imaginary gratification they get from continuing their attacks on the site and from what I hear from others, this goes on in almost all forums, not just this one.

My reaction, after I stopped feeling targeted for my natual reaction of friendship to new people, is sorrow and pity.  If that is what they are after, then they have it.

They are like little children who think they have fooled the teacher.

That you again, FA, for giving us the names.  Please continue to do so.   :'(   >:(   :-X
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on June 24, 2006, 10:00:53 AM
Rskkiya (HelloKitty and the other sockpuppets) is/are Joanna Meyer from Aurora Colorado.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: AlexP@asia.com on June 24, 2006, 10:27:14 AM
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Rskkiya (HelloKitty and the other sockpuppets) is/are Joanna Meyer from Aurora Colorado.

GuangZhou, PRC
2006.06.25

Dear Rob:

Thank you for the answer.  So last year this Finelley creature managed to convince everyone that she came from San Diego, California, and all of her long stories about her writer/actor husband, etc., etc. and somehow she torqued her IP address to indicate San Diego, California?  Rob, my God, you have your hands full with this.

At least, as we say in French, the devil now has a name (I am only speaking euphemistically).

Kind regards,

Alex P.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Laura Mabee on June 24, 2006, 11:50:23 AM
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I regretfully do not concur with Laura Mabee that this thread should be shut down or locked.
Dear AlexP,
This is not my wish. My wish is for us not to "gossip" about these members. If they have left or have been banned, and come back then sure, if you want to know all their aliases that's fine. But when we start discussing these people themselves it's becomes a gossip thread.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on June 25, 2006, 03:53:49 PM
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Quote
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I have decided that it actually is constructive to demonstrate that this has been a problem, and have decided to "out" the alias names of several other suspended users, as I have been accused of unfairly banning them.

Rskkiya aka: finelly, elfwine, catt.sydney, leushino, praskovia, vera figner, barishchina

Darth Olga: oscarwilde, Oscar Wilde, comrade, Olga Rodionovna

CalebG.Money: bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson

UPDATE:

CalebG.Money: bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson, applespidersauce

NEW UPDATE:

CalebG.Money: bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson, applespidersauce, Anna Sue (claiming to be a "San Francisco lesbian!!"  ;D)

NEW UPDATE:

CalebG.Money: bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson, applespidersauce, Anna Sue (claiming to be a "San Francisco lesbian!!"  ;D),Romanov@Lover
We now have his real name: Caleb Granger, of Sulfur/Lake Charles Louisiana.

Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on June 25, 2006, 11:47:11 PM
You have to wonder how long sneaking back in here under different names can be exciting. These people are easily amused.  ;D
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: AlexP@asia.com on June 26, 2006, 02:35:46 AM
GuangZhou, PRC
2006.06.26

Many sincere thanks to Rob as FA for "outing" Joanna Meyer, aka Finelly, Praskovia, Vera Figner, Hello Kitty and God Knows Who Else and also for "outing" Caleb Granger.

They are not so anonymous now in the madness that they can try to create.

Now that everyone on this Board knows who they really are, I wonder if they will have the audacity, or should I say lack of temerity, to continue with this what I would call abormal behavior?

Rob, thanks again for all of this information.

Alex P.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Penny_Wilson on June 26, 2006, 06:52:28 PM
Ummm... just a reminder here...

Caleb is a minor.  You may want to re-think posting his real name and directions to finding his phone number and address.


~Penny
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on June 26, 2006, 09:00:59 PM
The little psycho posted his own real name and location on his own psycho website which he linked to Wikipedia and dozens of other places on the web himself. Since he put his own information out there himself, I honestly hope his parents contact me personally so I can show them his obscene homophobic lunatic ravings and urge them to get that brat the help that he needs.

He has no expectation of privacy. He exposed all the pertinant information himself. Penny you of all people should know better than to take up for such a raving lunatic.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Penny_Wilson on June 26, 2006, 10:08:49 PM
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...Penny you of all people should know better than to take up for such a raving lunatic.


And yet... I still think it a bad idea to publish the private information of a minor.  But you do as you like.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Annie on June 26, 2006, 10:16:39 PM
I personally believe it's wrong to post ANYONE'S private info, as in real name and hometown, the list of their screen names is more than enough to show who was using aliases. A lot of terrible things can happen to a person online whose real info is revealed to the mass public. However, bigbee/caleb has outed himself by admitting on the legends forum to being most of those names listed here, and by posting a link to a website made by him that proudly contains his real first and last name and hometown. It's no secret.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: AlexP@asia.com on June 26, 2006, 10:43:38 PM
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The little psycho posted his own real name and location on his own psycho website which he linked to Wikipedia and dozens of other places on the web himself. Since he put his own information out there himself, I honestly hope his parents contact me personally so I can show them his obscene homophobic lunatic ravings and urge them to get that brat the help that he needs.

He has no expectation of privacy. He exposed all the pertinant information himself. Penny you of all people should know better than to take up for such a raving lunatic.

Dear Rob,

You are absolutely correct.  By posting his own name and his own information publickly, he has voluntarily waived his right to privacy.

But Rob, what bothers me even more is that you should have to defend your decision to Penny, of all things.  Let some little psycho like Caleb and some other little psycho like Finelly turn her website into an insane asylum...and she how long she likes it and remains silent....that is for sure.

For what it's worth, I concur with you and with the last part of Annie's comments above.

And frankly, Rob, anyone like Caleb who is so excessively homophobic is, as most psychologists will tell you, decidedly is having his own sexual preference issues.

Again, for what's its worth, thank you for the good job here.  It ain't easy and this isn't Kansas anymore.


All the best,


Alex P.

Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Belochka on June 26, 2006, 11:20:19 PM
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...Penny you of all people should know better than to take up for such a raving lunatic.

And yet... I still think it a bad idea to publish the private information of a minor.  But you do as you like.

The fact that a pathologic minor is messing with other minors and adults with their pathetic games should be of concern to all the genuine posters on this forum. They should not be shielded because of their age. That shield only helps them to spread their venom against the innocent and unsuspecting.

Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: ferngully on June 27, 2006, 05:49:12 AM
reading everything about finelly now, i can't believe i was taken in by her. she seemed so genuine in her PMs :(
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: james_h on June 27, 2006, 07:41:55 AM
Dear god, I've been a member for 800+ days and never been in this thread. Nor, I suppose did I realize this sort of thing went on. Why on earth would people waste their time?
Were some people getting called obscenities?


They are rhetorical questions. I've no interest in returning to this thread. 800+ days and I had no idea  :-?
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on June 27, 2006, 09:03:47 AM
 :-X
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Tania+ on June 27, 2006, 11:18:05 AM
'Usually', when people join any forum, for the mainstay it is for a main focus point. For the many who have become members of this fine forum, most stay respectful, [without hidden agendas] and stick to the forum by laws. They do not think themselves above the law, and prove this daily.

Our fine FA has made it pretty plain at the onset of coming onboard, who is in charge, who moderates who, and the focus and sharing of such responsibilities. To my knowledge, all forums have ground rules. Abide by them and all is fine. Choose not to be, and one is told in no uncertain terms by the moderator, or the FA again, 'who is in charge' !. Get your act together, or your out. Plain and simple, and quite tidy.

As i stated on another thread here, we the posters, may make direct connect to the FA, or the thread moderator to state our questions. I don't think we need to alert the whole forum, and drag everyone into the fracas. Posters should remain posters, and not be added to the forum in casting our doubts and or suspicions on a person who has nothing in common with these abusers. IMHO, we need not start 'witch hunts' on others and getting everyone heated, when it serves nobody at all. Kindly send off a simple post to the moderator of our threads, or the FA and allow them to become involved.

Just because others in the past have been disingenuious, does not mean everyone who comes to this forum is. I can't see wasting time, space, and endless wrangling on who is and who is not suspicious. As it is, some are still questioning the already ousted Finelly, Riskya, Elfwine, etc. The FA has already dealt with it, it is done and over. Why keep going on and on about people no longer with us? If your not convinced, that is your issue, not the whole forum. The FA has made his findings, end of subject ! We are not here to take sides when it comes to those making offense to members.
Let's leave it to our moderators, and our esteemed FA to continue the find job they do so well.  ;)

Tatiana+

Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Tania+ on June 27, 2006, 11:40:31 AM
Have we missed the entire point here of the title 'suspended users'? It was my understanding that this is where the moderators point out to us the posters and members, whom the abusers were. Once this is out, we express our concern, and then it is ended.

Why are we continuing to go over and over territory we have already come to terms with ? I'm beginning to think we are going too far into the psychological, uneeded psychological aspects of why and why not. Or why somebody could not be sombody they thought they were. It is so all inane. Then it is offered to again story swap one for another about a past individual, and or individuals. Does it never end ?

How do we really want this part of the thread to work for the continuum of the forum members?

Tatiana+
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on June 27, 2006, 03:47:53 PM
I have deleted off topic posts. This thread will not now nor ever be removed. Period. Bob and I both agree and are firmly resolved that repeat trouble makers will be identified and outed here.  We refuse to grant them the privacy of engaging in their disruptive, disrespectful and underhanded behavior. They certainly don't grant any such respect to us.  By keeping that information secret we ourselves aid and abet their behavior and that is intolerable.  [highlight]Bottom line is this: if you don't want to be outed in this forum then play by the rules. That is not difficult nor unreasonable, is it?[/highlight]  You resepct our forum, we will respect your anonymity. Disrespect us, and game over.

I will lock the thread and post further updates myself as needed. Obviously some people can not just leave well enough alone and leave this thread to be what it is.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Emyrna on August 25, 2006, 10:44:00 AM
Hi, I am concerned about a certain e-mail that a couple of us registered here received not too long ago.  It was from a certain Don Johnson, he sent a very pornographic image of an Asian man showing his private area.  Is there a way that we can keep e-mails of this sort from being sent to us.  They are quite disturbing and disgusting.  Thank You.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Sarushka on August 25, 2006, 10:57:27 AM
It's been taken care of. See this thread:
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,7881.0.html (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,7881.0.html)
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: koloagirl on August 26, 2006, 04:54:32 PM
 :)

Dear Sarah:

Aloha!   I'm glad I read this thread, as I too received the above-referenced email -- I'm glad that it has been taken care of!!

Janet R.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on August 27, 2006, 10:19:56 PM
I've been gone for a few days, and was very happy when I returned and saw I had a private message! But it was just that junk porn. Sending it to possible young children is just sickening, and sending it to teenagers and adults is just annoying.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Holly on September 17, 2006, 11:14:58 AM
Wow, I'm glad I finally read this thread! I had no idea about Caleb and the others and I can't believe I was fooled.  :-[ At first I was angry, but now I feel sad for the twisted individuals who get pleasure from causing distress to a forum and its posters. Don't they have something better to do with their time? Or is this what happens to your mind after you read "Olga! What Really Happened to the Tsar's Eldest Daughter."?  ::) Thanks so much Rob, Bob, and Lisa for the hard work you've put into this. I hope those lunatics get what they deserve out of this.
                                                                          Holly
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: GD_Sasha on September 24, 2006, 07:55:09 PM
I never knew about Caleb either- although I admit I was suspicious of Darth Olga. Yes, the PMs were quite unnecessary- I never would have known unless Holly had told me about it! It's sad that people come here and have nothing better to do than to send us rude PMs and spam the boards? Thank you for alerting us of all this.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: stacey on September 29, 2006, 03:35:55 PM
You know who I would love to see "outed"?

That sicko "Don Johnson" who sent me the charming  ::) photo of his--er--no-doubt-digitally-enhanced family jewels.

Methinks he doth protest too much!  ;)
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on September 29, 2006, 03:57:16 PM
That is an asian themed porno site based out of Hawaii, they spammed the old forum once before as well. I have blocked their access totally and forwarded the attack on to their IP provider. They target every forum using the same software.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on September 29, 2006, 10:02:33 PM
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You know who I would love to see "outed"?

That sicko "Don Johnson" who sent me the charming   photo of his--er--no-doubt-digitally-enhanced family jewels.

Methinks he doth protest too much! 

 :D That's great!
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: stacey on September 30, 2006, 05:15:37 AM
Thank you, FA! I think we've all seen just about enough--one might even say "too much"  ;)--of the persistent Mr. Johnson. Your efforts are much appreciated!

And Clockworkgirl--thanx!  ;D
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: RealAnastasia on September 30, 2006, 07:41:13 PM
Sorry, FA! I PM you, just to know what was happening with this awful Don Johnson, for after two months of absence, I saw THAT in my PM inbox. I PM you, for I was no idea that it was a thread about it.

And I admit that I'm puzzled! All my life I believed that I had normal intelligence...And I just didn't realize that Rsskya and Finelly were exactly the same person! LOL!  :D I must even confess this: I likes Finelly a lot...and I couldn't stand Rsskya!!!! That is really hilarious when you knows that they were one and the same... ::) :-\

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on April 09, 2007, 02:54:01 PM
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I have decided that it actually is constructive to demonstrate that this has been a problem, and have decided to "out" the alias names of several other suspended users, as I have been accused of unfairly banning them.

Rskkiya aka: finelly, elfwine, catt.sydney, leushino, praskovia, vera figner, barishchina

Darth Olga: oscarwilde, Oscar Wilde, comrade, Olga Rodionovna

CalebG.Money: bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson

UPDATE:

CalebG.Money: bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson, applespidersauce

NEW UPDATE:

CalebG.Money: bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson, applespidersauce, Anna Sue (claiming to be a "San Francisco lesbian!!"  ;D)

NEW UPDATE:

CalebG.Money: bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson, applespidersauce, Anna Sue (claiming to be a "San Francisco lesbian!!"  ;D),Romanov@Lover

NEW UPDATE:
CalebG.Money (real name "Caleb Granger"): bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson, applespidersauce, Anna Sue (claiming to be a "San Francisco lesbian!!"  ;D), romanov@Lover, fossilfinder
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on April 09, 2007, 04:09:32 PM
So CalebG.Money was fosilfinder? I knew something was strange going on about fossilfinder. I can see he has been trying to enter the forum by using different user names while before previously they have been offensive.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Vecchiolarry on April 09, 2007, 05:07:02 PM
Hi Forum Administrator,

Thank you for telling us about these various incarnations.  Truly incredible;  does this person(s) have a life?  With so many hydra like ID's, it must live in front of its computer and keyboard.  Does it eat, sleep, bath???  (These are rhetorical questions, of course)....  Who cares, really!

It may interest you to know that on a movie message board, there is a character posing there as 'a San Francisco lesbian' and becoming very nasty in it's posts about everyone being anti-gay....
Also, someone informed me last week that there was a "supposed" black, legless wheelchair bound lesbian on another board and wailing that everybody 'hates her'.......

I don't know whether this is all funny, sad or what but it is annoying, irritating and pathetic......

Thanks for listening and acting to get rid of liars.......    >:(

Larry
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: TheAce1918 on April 09, 2007, 11:07:14 PM
It is truly disturbing to know that someone would stoop to such a level. 

I haven't run in to many of these characters, but have kept an eye out for them.  Listening to the stories that some veteran members have told about trouble makers is pretty disturbing.  People such as these 'bots' are the bain of the internet. 
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on May 05, 2007, 08:01:04 PM
I regret to announce that I have discovered that Annie, during her "time out" period, snuck back in to the Forum, despite knowing she was not permitted, under the alias of "Cornholio".  In accordance with Forum policy, her temporary "time out" is now a permanent ban.

FA
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: GrandDuchess_2011 on May 05, 2007, 09:33:58 PM
As a newbie, I thankfully haven't encountered any of this rudeness, But i of course don't doubt that it happens. I got the PM from Don Johnson, and I was appalled. I'm only 14, I don't need to see that kind of thing!! I also thank the FA immensley (sp?) for outing these losers.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Kimberly on May 06, 2007, 02:47:00 AM
I regret to announce that I have discovered that Annie, during her "time out" period, snuck back in to the Forum, despite knowing she was not permitted, under the alias of "Cornholio".  In accordance with Forum policy, her temporary "time out" is now a permanent ban.

FA


Oh my goodness, I am shocked at that.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Lemur on May 08, 2007, 01:56:38 PM
Just wanted to relay, I talked to Annie in email and she said Cornholio wasn't her but her 20 yr. old son who lives in the garage apt. They have 4 computers on the same network, same IP and modem. She also claimed her 15 day suspension should have been up  before the end of April and was not in affect, and that, she said, if she did want to "sneak back in" she'd have had enough sense to use an IP bouncer or proxy cloak and not be stupid enough to get caught!  ;)
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on May 08, 2007, 02:27:24 PM
All well and good, except the email address "cornholio" signed up with was "CatHouseAnnie@yahoo.com"... Im very sure her "20 year old son" would use the email address "cathouseannie"....
OH, and for the record "cornholio" signed up just a few days AFTER Annie's suspension, so it was not over by that time, and there was one day left on her fifteen days when I discovered her.


Lord, do you people begin to get an idea what I have to put up with?
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Tania+ on May 08, 2007, 03:10:39 PM
Sorry you have to contend with persons who show no respect for the forum members, or this forum.
You are very much appreciated in and all you do. Thank you for always being on watch for us !

Tatiana+
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on May 08, 2007, 03:34:54 PM
I found "cornholio" to be a repulsive user name.  I never liked that someone was using it.

To be "corn holed" is to "get screwed" (with multiple meanings)  It is also an "urban" reference to a delicate private part (either male or female, but usually female)

I am trying to be delicate here, but put "corn hole" into Google and you will see what I mean.

FA, I am glad that you removed the person regardless of who it was.  That user name was disgusting and didn't belong on this site.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Lemur on May 08, 2007, 04:23:01 PM
All well and good, except the email address "cornholio" signed up with was "CatHouseAnnie@yahoo.com"... Im very sure her "20 year old son" would use the email address "cathouseannie"....
OH, and for the record "cornholio" signed up just a few days AFTER Annie's suspension, so it was not over by that time, and there was one day left on her fifteen days when I discovered her.


Lord, do you people begin to get an idea what I have to put up with?

Actually this is not true. Annie signed up "Cornholio" on March 8, 2006 and has the welcome email from the AP to prove it. She did it as a joke take on Caleb Granger's "Cornmuffin" but since he was immediately banned she never used it. Later on, her son wanted to join but got a message telling him that "Oma, Mike and Justin" were not welcome on the forum so she told him he could use the Cornholio name. (I've had at least 2 other people tell me the same thing happened to them when they tried to join)

Annie was suspended for 15 days in early April, meaning it should have run its course before May ever started. Check that out.

I can try to get her to email you the email but she's too hateful and feels she has been treated unfairly. I have seen it, but won't post it witough permission since it contains personal info.

All I can say is, you all certainly have a way of getting rid of  all the more 'interesting' characters around here, good or bad, for better or worse, I miss them all. :P

One more note, "Caleb G" can't possibly be a minor anymore. On the "other" forum he was stating he was 17 in April, 2006, meaning more than a year has passed and he has to be over 18 so don't let him scare ya anymore.

Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 09, 2007, 10:22:50 AM
I don't know... There are certain foul-mouthed slippery individuals who shall remain nameless (but most of us know who "they" are), who have pulled much worse antics than Annie (or anyone else for that matter) and were banned for them, but then allowed back in again and again as if nothing happened. Why different standards for different people? Well, I guess the FAs have their reasons...  8)



Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on May 09, 2007, 10:45:54 AM
"Oma, Mike and Justin" were not welcome on the forum so she told him he could use the Cornholio name. (I've had at least 2 other people tell me the same thing happened to them when they tried to join)

That message continues "If you are NOT these unwelcome people, please contact the Forum admin at rob@thecellaraustin.com"  To date NOT ONE PERSON has ever bothered to write me.

Annie's story just has too many holes in it. "cornholio" was using the account DURING Annies suspension. Second, Annie never contact me requesting to come back. She just snuck on back in, JUST LIKE CALEB.  I'm sorry but I can't treat Annie special. The rule is you can NOT come back into the forum under an alias name while you are suspended. Period. Annie did, and I'm sorry, but them's the rules.

I don't believe the "son" story for a single solitary second.


Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 09, 2007, 10:52:27 AM
I found "cornholio" to be a repulsive user name.  I never liked that someone was using it.

To be "corn holed" is to "get screwed" (with multiple meanings)  It is also an "urban" reference to a delicate private part (either male or female, but usually female)

Oh, get a grip. "Cornholio" is a character from Beavis and Butthead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Cornholio), and it wasn't really meant to be as graphic as the way you present it. You people have overactive imaginations, dirty minds and a very limited sense of humor!
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on May 09, 2007, 11:20:41 AM
I have received many heartfelt emails requesting Annie return, including one from Simon, who was the "aggreived" party so to speak.  So, because of this, and in consideration of her many years as a user and many contributions to the forum, she is now allowed to return as Annie.  The ban has already been lifted and she has been notified.

FA

PS: allow me to please make clear that at no time did Simon EVER even mention to us that Annie be suspended or banned, nor was the question ever discussed with him by me prior to my decision.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Sarushka on May 09, 2007, 05:37:00 PM
I found "cornholio" to be a repulsive user name.  I never liked that someone was using it.

To be "corn holed" is to "get screwed" (with multiple meanings)  It is also an "urban" reference to a delicate private part (either male or female, but usually female)

Oh, get a grip. "Cornholio" is a character from Beavis and Butthead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Cornholio), and it wasn't really meant to be as graphic as the way you present it. You people have overactive imaginations, dirty minds and a very limited sense of humor!

I beg to differ. The term "cornhole" predates Beavis and Butthead by a long, long way. To those of us who are not at all familiar with the MTV show (and I'd be willing to bet I'm not the only one), the username Cornholio was at best distasteful. If you can find me a definition of "cornhole" that's non-sexaul, I'll retract my opinion and be forced to resign myself to the possibility that I have a dirty mind.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on May 09, 2007, 05:47:50 PM
As that account has been permanently deleted, perhaps continued discussion on that point is moot?  PS. I approved it initially because I had seen te Beevis and Butthead movie and TV series and frankly assumed that was the reference.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on May 10, 2007, 08:14:06 AM
Sorry, FA, but there are a lot of us who did not see the Beavis and Butthead movie.

And, Beavis and Butthead (what I have seen of them on TV - and I admit that is as little as possible) don't seem to be poster boys for the innocent use of words or actions.

Just the fact that the name was used in a movie about them would have signaled the same thing to me!
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Tsarfan on May 10, 2007, 09:51:04 AM
If you can find me a definition of "cornhole" that's non-sexaul, I'll retract my opinion and be forced to resign myself to the possibility that I have a dirty mind.

Like many, many words in the English language, "cornhole" has several meanings, only one of which is vulgar.  One use is as a noun (see wiktionary.org) used in the vernacular to denote a loser or a shmuck . . . and not a surprising name to be assigned to a cartoon character.

It is also the name of a popular game that even has its own website:  http://www.cornholeconnection.com/?gclid=COW2jYDrg4wCFQGPWAodEUEdyw

So I'm afraid you'll have to resign yourself to the possiblity of a dirty mind, Alixz.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Tsarfan on May 10, 2007, 10:40:48 AM
Oops, sorry . . . I meant to address the above comment to Sarushka.  (And I don't really believe she has a dirty mind, by the way.  She just didn't grow up where I did and kids called each other "cornholes" when they got caught at something.)
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 10, 2007, 11:04:45 AM
I guess the lesson is: don't jump to conclusions and loosen up a bit occasionally...  ;)

Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on May 10, 2007, 11:58:23 AM
I asked my husband, who grew up in a different area of our state, what he thought a cornhole was.

I didn't tell him where I had read it or what I had found as a definition.

He scowled and said that he had heard it all the time in Vocational Technical school.  And it was always used as an alternative to
a--hole.  He said that one of the students was always threatening to shove something up someone's "cornhole".  My husband graduated from high school in 1978.  That means that the definition has had bad connotations for at least 30 years.

Way before Beavis and Butthead.  And I wouldn't doubt that Beavis and Butthead creaters were using it for shock value and to see if anyone noticed.

Actually when I first saw "cornholio" on this site as a user name, what came to my mind was the movie Deliverance.  Probably because I had never seen the Beavis and Butthead movie.

But anyway, that's what prompted me to Google it.  If any of you have done that, you know what I found.

Tsarfan, I see that you do have my welfare in mind.  Even when you want to correct another poster's assumptions you have a Freudian Slip and aim at me.    :o

And you apology is accepted with grace. ::)
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Tsarfan on May 10, 2007, 12:15:21 PM
Actually, Alixz, I had just read your immediately preceding post before putting up mine, and I popped in your name out of habit.  Perhaps that is Freudian.  Or perhaps it was nothing more than having just read your post.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on May 10, 2007, 01:39:12 PM
And such a bad habit, too   8)
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Tsarfan on May 10, 2007, 04:12:55 PM
Ah, the pursuit of guilty pleasures . . .  ;D
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on May 10, 2007, 05:42:20 PM
It is a very inappropiate show I read on wikipedia that it had some controversial about the show critisism. Beavis and Butt-head, along with Ren and Stimpy, American Dad, Family Guy, The Simpsons, South Park, Daria, and Celebrity Deathmatch pushed the boundaries of cartoons beyond clean material for small children very inappropiate. Over its run, Beavis and Butt-head drew a notable amount of both positive and negative reactions from the public with its combination of lewd humor and implied criticism of society.

 It became the focus of criticism from social conservatives, such as Michael Medved, who depicted it as "the epitome of mindless and amoral entertainment", while others, such as David Letterman, and the conservative magazine National Review, defended it as a cleverly subversive vehicle for social criticism and a particularly creative and intelligent comedy. Either way, the show captured the imaginations of many young television viewers in the United States and abroad and is often considered a classic piece of 1990s youth culture. According to wikipedia this was the controversy.

All users on the forum should have appropiate user names. But Cornhole according to wikipedia means:

Cornhole, Corn Toss, or Baggo is a game in which players take turns pitching small bags filled with corn (or sand or beans) at a raised platform with a hole in the far end. A corn bag in the hole scores 3 points, while one on the platform scores 1 point. Play continues until a player reaches the score of 21. The platforms measure 4'×2' and are generally made of wood, although plastic can be a suitable replacement. The bags are generally 6×6", made with duck cloth, and filled with dry feed corn.

Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 11, 2007, 07:56:44 AM
Can we drop the "cornhole" discussion already? As fascinating as it is, it's really not worth discussing for several pages...  ;D
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on May 11, 2007, 10:57:24 AM
I second Helen's request....
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Sarushka on May 11, 2007, 10:59:26 AM
Can we drop the "cornhole" discussion already? As fascinating as it is, it's really not worth discussing for several pages...  ;D

I'm over it!  ;)
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Annie on May 11, 2007, 08:24:41 PM
Thank you FA and everyone who spoke up on my behalf. I appreciate it :) I will do my best to contribute to the forum in a good way.

I am very sorry about all the 'cornholio' controversy. It was only meant as a harmless, funny, joke. The name was made in March of 2006 when bigbee made his alias "cornmuffin." I was going to use it to counter him, but his new name was banned so I never did. Later on, it was used by me and another family member a few times. Yes, the name was from Beavis and Butthead, I thought that would be obvious from the beginning as FA said it was for him. I even had the character on the avatar. It wasn't meant to be taken seriously and I never thought anyone would find it 'offensive' or controversial. I watched B and B and their movie where Beavis turned into  Cornholio when he got hyper. My kids watched it when they were younger, I don't have a problem with it. I'm sorry again that it has caused all this mess, Cornholio is gone now and it's more than run its course so please let's not go on about it anymore.

Thanks again. I am very proud to be a part of this forum and historical community.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on May 12, 2007, 10:16:28 AM
I second that recommendation. 


Annie, Welcome back.   ;)
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on May 17, 2007, 08:44:11 PM
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I have decided that it actually is constructive to demonstrate that this has been a problem, and have decided to "out" the alias names of several other suspended users, as I have been accused of unfairly banning them.

Rskkiya aka: finelly, elfwine, catt.sydney, leushino, praskovia, vera figner, barishchina

Darth Olga: oscarwilde, Oscar Wilde, comrade, Olga Rodionovna

CalebG.Money: bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson

UPDATE:

CalebG.Money: bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson, applespidersauce

NEW UPDATE:

CalebG.Money: bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson, applespidersauce, Anna Sue (claiming to be a "San Francisco lesbian!!"  ;D)

NEW UPDATE:

CalebG.Money: bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson, applespidersauce, Anna Sue (claiming to be a "San Francisco lesbian!!"  ;D),Romanov@Lover

NEW UPDATE:
CalebG.Money (real name "Caleb Granger"): bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson, applespidersauce, Anna Sue (claiming to be a "San Francisco lesbian!!"  ;D), romanov@Lover, fossilfinder

NEW UPDATE:
CalebG.Money (real name "Caleb Granger"): bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson, applespidersauce, Anna Sue (claiming to be a "San Francisco lesbian!!"  ;D), romanov@Lover, fossilfinder, Jermaine Dupree
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Belochka on May 17, 2007, 08:51:44 PM
NEW UPDATE:
CalebG.Money (real name "Caleb Granger"): bigbi, annaanderson, Doggy, cornmuffin, anastasiaclaimant, J Christ Anderson, applespidersauce, Anna Sue (claiming to be a "San Francisco lesbian!!"  ;D), romanov@Lover, fossilfinder, Jermaine Dupree


I suspected that something was not quite right following my questions.

Thank you FA for your prompt action.

Margarita  :D
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on May 18, 2007, 08:20:45 AM
Does this person have nothing better to do?    ???

Obviously this site is an obsession with this person, or does he do it elsewhere?

I know that he is looking for his 15 minutes (or fifteen months) of fame, but all I feel is pity for someone with no other interestes in life. How can he have any?  He spends all of his time trying to get onto this board!    :(
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Annie on May 19, 2007, 09:46:48 AM
And I don't think we've seen the last of him :(
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Kurt Steiner on May 20, 2007, 04:36:43 AM
Even if it's not for me this kind of behaviour from my experiencies as moderator in some Spanish forums, I must say I'm shocked by what I've read in this thread.

Some people do need professional help, indeed.

So, my congrats to our moderators, as they do a wonderful work here.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Martyn on May 31, 2007, 11:29:55 AM
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finelly and rskkiya were the same people? i was in contact with finelly addressing jewish issues. can't believe the deception. i wondered why they disappeared :o is dashkova still around? or was she another imposter? she was pretty rude
selina                          xxxxxxxxx

I don't know if Dashkova is still around or not. AFAIK, she is not an imposter, though I believe she did have a rather hefty agenda.


To the best of my recollection, Dashkova was banned permanently from the Forum back in 2005.  Both she and Rskkiya used to post like a tag-team, propagating their own political agendas and generally attempting to offend and irritate wherever possible.

I am so glad that both of them now are subject to the permanent ban; I had hoped that deprived of her partner-in-crime, Rskkiya might have calmed down and attempted to contribute to the Group.  This, from what I have read in this thread and elsewhere, was obviously not to be.

Having been a moderator, I know just what a challenge such problem members as those listed can present, especially with their multiple aliases. 

I would very much like to congratulate Rob and the moderators on the excellent work that they do, and to thank them for their time and efforts on our behalf.  Their work isn't easy and I am sure that they must often feel as I did, in that they would far rather be contributing to discussions that they care for, than reading some of the posts that they are obliged to.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: GD_Sasha on June 14, 2007, 10:59:46 AM
Wow- these people really have nothing better to do with themselves, it looks like.
  Thanks to all the moderators, Rob, and the FA- you guys are all deeply appreciated for all the work you do around here!
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Holly on June 14, 2007, 05:53:36 PM
Wow. I had no idea Annie was Cornholio.

DO PEOPLE NOT HAVE JOBS!?!??!

Good God.
Keep up the good work FA. And good luck. You need it with these idiots.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on June 17, 2007, 11:14:44 AM
I know that there was been some discussion about "Bob the Builder"  I even told him/her at one point (and of course it is not my place) that he/she changed ID's faster than I could change my socks.

I see now that he/she has become a guest.  I don't remember all of the user names, but I do remember "eminem" and "martyr". I think there was at least one other.  The original give away was a signature photo of dubious acceptability. But he/she always had something on about Anastasia as well.

FA, pardon my intrusion into your domain.  This time, though, this one bugged me.  His/her posts were always acceptable as far as I could see, but I just couldn't understand the quick changing of the user name.  And because, in the past, I had been taken in, not once, but twice by other "sock puppets" I have become very wary.

The true maintenance of this site must take up most of your time.  We all owe you our thanks for trying to keep us safe from on line predators.

So THANK YOU    ;)   :D   ;D
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Tania+ on June 17, 2007, 11:29:34 AM
Unfortunately, some of these 'artists' think or have taken on the idea that this is their job. Naturally it causes consternation, which of course these idiots think is a great game. They fail to see the profile they offer to the world at large and continue blithly without any understanding of how they waste everyone's time as well as their own. If they only understood how valuable 'time is' ! At this moment for our family, our mother-in-law lies in her bed sustained for these last two weeks by only water intake. I am sure she more than valued the days of her life and wishes she could live on. While alive she offered every day her best as a research scientist, helping in much of her research to prolong life. We don't know how much time she has left, but we can be sure it would not be left to take the valued time of others needlessly.

It serves all to be real, honest most importantly, non predatory !
Thank you FA and all who value time, as well as life !

tatiana+

Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on June 17, 2007, 11:40:41 AM
Alixz,

You are rather observant. That member not only changed names faster than underwear, but never wrote or acted like the "woman in her 40s" as she claimed. To be blunt, I am rather certain it was yet again Caleb Granger, who vowed to "keep coming back" despite the lifetime ban.  The refusal to provide some outside indentity, along with the ludicrous "how do I know you won't hack into my computer" using just an email address was the final straw. Yes, I deleted that user account.

There is now a new policy in place, please read "If you are thinking about registering read 1st please" in this section for the details.  If "Bob the Builder" or whoever wants to come back, they are free to re-register, but will be subject to this new policy.

I don't see why a genuine user would have a problem at all with the policy.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Annie on June 17, 2007, 11:58:42 AM
I was sure almost from the beginning that the person who kept changing his name was CalebG. I even PM'd him calling him Caleb, and he didn't even deny it, he only responded with 'don't you PM me you stupid woman' (which is what Caleb has always called me) and blocked me. I also noticed that many of the subjects of his posts corresponded on the same day with almost identical ones on the 'other' forum where he posted under his own name. He will do or try anything to weasel in and feel it's some kind of 'victory'. The way he spams the forum by bumping almost every thread over and over is annoying, and think about it, who else is obsessed enough to do that? He must feel like he is on some kind of mission, or is too hateful to give up and just go away. So the new tactic was one that has already been used "I believe the DNA BUT..." well, I've heard that before. If someone believes the DNA, why keep telling us how it's wrong and keep making a case for AA being AN? It makes no sense. Whenever anyone does that, it's sure they are one of the only four or five devoted ardent AA supporters in the world still pushing it, under some identity or another.

There are lots of ways people can troll these days, proxy blockers and 'hide my IP' programs and IP bouncers, as well as using plain old AOL, which does not give distinct locations. But I've seen it here and on many other boards, the personality and rhetoric of the poster will give them away much faster than an IP.

Honestly, an 18 year old boy should have so much more on his mind, so much more to do with his time than to viciously and  obsessively defend a dead woman who claimed to be a dead Grand Duchess. I really hope he gets a real life soon.

Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Greenowl on June 17, 2007, 02:43:17 PM
Am I imagining things, or is Bob the Builder back again?
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Annie on June 17, 2007, 03:11:57 PM
Am I imagining things, or is Bob the Builder back again?

When he got banned, his account went back to its original registered name, which was Bob the Builder. You can change your username as it shows up on posts, but the name you originally joined with is the real one and that's what's back. He had also been I See Paris, I See France, Paris, France, Eminem, and Martyr. Did I miss one?

I do, however, expect CalebG to return with another alias soon. As a matter of fact there's already one here I suspect may be him. We'll see.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Greenowl on June 17, 2007, 04:54:44 PM
Thanks Annie! Gosh, it all seems so pointless...I mean, why bother? However, I suppose ours is not to wonder why!!!
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Belochka on June 17, 2007, 06:45:27 PM
I know that there was been some discussion about "Bob the Builder"  I even told him/her at one point (and of course it is not my place) that he/she changed ID's faster than I could change my socks.

This individual is a real predator on this forum. It is obvious it is the same individual because after he mutates his focus always remains the same.  He is clearly fixated on matters that serve him better on the other forum.

Margarita  ;)
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on June 17, 2007, 06:47:07 PM
I knew there were other names that Bob he Builder had used.  I told him that the original childhood rhyme was "I see London I see France, I see the... " well anyone over the age of 40 would know the rest.  (I think  ;D)

We used to hear it on the playground when we still had to wear dresses to school.  And how many years ago did that stop?

And when he claimed to be a 40 year old woman, I thought, oh no.  I may reference eminem every now and then because my son used to listen to him and I stress used to because he has grown out of that phase. (now he's into Rammstein, and I think that is worse, but I thought that Eminem was pretty bad at the time.  :-\   :(   :o  )  But I would never call myself eminem.

One time I put "that's my ten cents, my two cents is free" and that is from an Eminem song.  And I actually think that was when Bob the I see, Paris, France etc turned into eminem briefly.

Belochka - What other forum?   ???


Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on June 17, 2007, 06:59:07 PM
Well I am glad this person is gone I did not like him he was annoying me and getting on my nervous he keept on disagree with me when he knew I was right too especialy about the part where I said that sooner or later the bones will turn into dust because thats what happens to it over decades and centuries especialy if the bodies have been burned, acid and fire and severly abused. He said bones don't turn into dust. He is just trying to anoy me asking so many questions. But ,Thank goddnes he is gone he kept on changing his name four or five times Bob the builder, Eminem, I see paris,martyr. Forum Adim you do a good job in keeping this website safe.  I hope we do not have anymore on line predators or disrespectful people on this forum. I did not know that he kept on coming back into the forum many times he needs to leave this forum alone and stop comming. >:(
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Annie on June 17, 2007, 08:12:04 PM
I knew there were other names that Bob he Builder had used.  I told him that the original childhood rhyme was "I see London I see France, I see the... " well anyone over the age of 40 would know the rest.  (I think  ;D)

Oh yes! There were many rhymes and songs and jokes about that, when the girls wore the short dresses and the ruffled *whoops boys take another guess* and you know little girls bend over and things happen when you're playing. Another favorite was 'teacher teacher I declare, I see someone's underwear, not too big, not to small, just the size of a cannonball.' :-[


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We used to hear it on the playground when we still had to wear dresses to school.  And how many years ago did that stop?

For my school, it was 1970. It was my second grade class's field trip that helped change it, I think. We had to get special permission to wear shorts on a trip to a farm where we'd be hayriding. That was near the end of the year, and on the last day of school the principal announced next year girls could wear pants! We all cheered! Before that, you could only wear pants under your dress on a cold day, and you had to take them off as soon as you got in the room and hang them up with your coat! ::)



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Belochka - What other forum?   ???




I am not going to plug it here, but there is another forum where AA discussion is listed in a separate category than "Anastasia pretenders" because they don't believe she is.  ::) Many of those who have been big AA supporters here are there. As Monty Python would say, let's not go there, it is a silly place! ;)
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on June 17, 2007, 11:08:43 PM
Annie - I guess you are a lot younger than I am.  I got all the way through high school and into college (where no one cared what we wore) but on my first job, we still had to wear dresses and skirts.  Then they gave us permission to wear "pant suits" and they really meant "pant suits".
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Greenowl on June 18, 2007, 02:32:44 AM
Oh Alixz, I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one to have had this experience! My son was also a great 'fan of Eminem (about six years ago, when he was around ten years old) and I was shocked and horrified. As in your case he has now grown out of that phase but has moved on to 50 Cent and the G-Unit, Ludacris and a whole load of others who I think are MUCH worse.... Eminem now seems harmless by comparison. However, one of my friends assures me that "this too shall pass". I hope she is right.

Sorry for digressing and going totally off topic, but what Alixz said really struck a cord with me.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on June 18, 2007, 08:28:37 AM
Well I am glad this person is gone I did not like him he was annoying me and getting on my nervous he keept on disagree with me when he knew I was right too especialy about the part where I said that sooner or later the bones will turn into dust because thats what happens to it over decades and centuries especialy if the bodies have been burned, acid and fire and severly abused. He said bones don't turn into dust. He is just trying to anoy me asking so many questions. But ,Thank goddnes he is gone he kept on changing his name four or five times Bob the builder, Eminem, I see paris,martyr. Forum Adim you do a good job in keeping this website safe.  I hope we do not have anymore on line predators or disrespectful people on this forum. I did not know that he kept on coming back into the forum many times he needs to leave this forum alone and stop comming. >:(

I am so sorry for my spelling errors please excuse me I am not doing good in my english class only horrible english the worst: :(
I wish I knew how to write and spell correctly. ;D

 Here is a better correction:

Hello,
I am glad that this person is gone I did not like him, he was annoying me and getting on my nervous and he kept on disagreeing  with he knows that I am right. Especially about the part where I said soon or later the bones will turn into dust ,that is what happens to bones over decades and centuries especially if the bodies have been burned, filled with acid and burnt with fire and  severely abused. Then, he said that bones don't magically turn into dust. He was trying to do his best to annoy me by asking me many questions and if I have proof or not. But, thank goodness the person is gone he kept on changing his name four or three times Bob the builder, Eminem, I see paris, martyr and some other names. Forum Admin you do a good job in keeping this website safe. I hope there will not be any online predators and other disrespectful people that are on this forum. I did not know the same person kept on comming back to this forum. This person needs to leave the forum alone who ever he is. >:(

I hope this is a better english correction let me know if I have errors in my sentences. ;)
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Annie on June 18, 2007, 11:25:51 AM
Annie - I guess you are a lot younger than I am.  I got all the way through high school and into college (where no one cared what we wore) but on my first job, we still had to wear dresses and skirts.  Then they gave us permission to wear "pant suits" and they really meant "pant suits".

I'm 45, are you that much older? Probably not! It also depends on the school and the job. Even in 1985 I worked in phone sales for a buying club warehouse (don't toss rotten fruit!) and we all had to wear dresses or skirts, high heels and makeup even though no one saw us, and we had to stay in the little back room and were not allowed to go around any other employees or customers! The boss lady was a real hard case. I know what you mean about 'pant suits', my mom was big into those in the 70's. I bet there are still some jobs that have tough dress codes, though I think it's stupid.

Alix and Greenowl: my son who is 20 (21 later this year) never liked Eminem, but my daughter who just graduated did go through an Emimen phase at the time of the "Slim Shady" fad but she's now into "Emo" rock instead. I always found Eminem unbearable, his voice was so whiney and not suited for rap IMO. Couldn't stand the looks of him either!

Elizabeth Princess: Don't worry about it! You're doing fine!
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on June 18, 2007, 03:47:25 PM
Annie - You and I and Greenowl are all different ages, but yet have kids about the same age.

My son is 20 and will be 21 later this year.

It was Eminem's attitude that always got to me.  Like he had to look "dangerous" all the time. 

I mentioned Rammstein and that band is German.  Any German poster's out there familiar with them?  Thank God that, for our neighbor's sakes, the words are in German, but to those of us who understand ( and my understanding is limited compared to my son's) the lyrics are more than horrible.

They make Eminem look like Donny Osmond. 

At least all the Beatles wanted to do was "Hold Your Hand" and my parents thought that they were strange!

Actually, I just stopped working for (as they say on game shows) " a national income tax preparation service" and we still had a dress code, but it was far more lax than what I had worked under in my past life  ::)  As manager of an office I had to send home those who showed up in jeans or sneakers or "see through or midriff tops"  Mostly it was the young receptionists who dressed that way, most of the tax preparers knew that their professional image mattered.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on June 18, 2007, 04:24:52 PM
and this all has WHAT to do with "Suspended Users"?  ;)
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Greenowl on June 18, 2007, 05:12:07 PM
Well, it all started because one of the suspended users used the name "Eminem", and that sort of led to a spot of digression....

Alixz, I think you, I and Annie must be close enough in age, just as our children are of similar ages. I know all about Ramstein and they are not good. As you say, they make Eminem look like a saint, never mind Donnie Osmond. Fortunately my son is not a Ramstein 'fan (I suppose I should be thankful for small mercies).

Before the FA gets really mad at me for digressing, should we start another thread OR if you want information about Ramstein send me a personal message and I will reply and fill you in on all the gruesome details, as I live in Germany and they are quite BIG here.

Apologies for digressing and I promise to try not to digress and go off topic in the future.

Greenowl
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on June 18, 2007, 06:04:48 PM
FA - sorry   8)

I knew as soon as I got the notification that FA had posted a response to "Suspended Users" that it would be about our digression ::)    ::)

I promise no more.

Greenowl - you just may hear from me soon  ;)
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on June 19, 2007, 03:27:10 PM
I was too late to come back yesterday and modify my last post.

How "precognitive" of me to know what the FA would be posting about before I even signed in  ::)

Perhaps I should change my user name to Ms. Rasputin  :o


(For those who don't get it - I am seriously joking  ;D )
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Greenowl on July 07, 2007, 02:41:12 PM
I hate to say this (and hope I am wrong) but I have a STRONG FEELING that CalebG/Bob the Builder etc is among us again under a different name. Dear FA, please confirm or reassure!
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on July 07, 2007, 02:50:03 PM
Greenowl,

I have the same strong feeling.  There is someone who posts just like him.  That is to say, espouses the same ideas in the same way.


Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Greenowl on July 07, 2007, 03:26:12 PM
Thanks Alexz!

Glad to hear I am not the only one with such feelings, because I hesitated a bit before posting my comment, wondering if I was imagining things!!

All good wishes,
Greenowl
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on July 07, 2007, 05:44:10 PM
I have looked into the user in question.  I am satisfied, for now, that it is not Caleb Granger in one of his many fake user names.  The person in question posts very clearly from outside the US, I know about the ability to bounce IPs, etc. but this one seems legit.

Thanks for giving me the heads up though. I appreciate the help. You guys have no idea how many spammers, whackos and just evil people try to get into the Forum every day. Its up to about 150 a day now, so one might slip through. Am always glad you guys are on the lookout to help me.

A most appreciative

FA
 ;)
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on July 14, 2007, 08:39:25 AM
What happened to GeorgeHepburnII??  I received an email telling me that he had posted a reply on a thread that I was watching and when I went to read it, he wasn't there.

I checked in the members search and it appears that he has vanished?

Does anyone know what happened?  Or, am I looking in all the wrong places?
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Eddie_uk on July 14, 2007, 08:43:29 AM
Probably a fake Alix dear, one of these users that feels the need to post on every AA thread!
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on July 14, 2007, 08:56:39 AM
I removed that user. He was becoming abusive, and clearly not a "genuine" user. I suspect "bonedaddy" using an alias, and strongly suspect all are the work of our "favorite" obsessive psychotic Caleb Granger.

Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on July 14, 2007, 09:03:38 PM
I suspected bonedaddy as well.  Just the way he titled his thread, made for a hostile attitude and atmosphere.  He came in fighting.

And his way with words sounded so much like Caleb.

So Sad.   :(
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Kurt Steiner on July 15, 2007, 05:08:45 AM
That's sad. Such an obsession to spoil a forum... impossible to understand for me, really.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Annie on July 17, 2007, 10:27:58 AM
It's very sad that members have to worry if a 'newbie' is telling the truth or not. While those of us who are experienced with his antics can usually tell right away, some people may take it as face value that a person is who he/she says, and nobody should have to waste time wondering what's real and what isn't. Among his bogus characters recently have been a 60 year old farmer who knew the Manahans, a thirtysomething housewife with a little girl who watches Bob the Builder, and a San Francisco lesbian. Who will he show up as next?  :-\
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on July 17, 2007, 10:42:11 AM
It's very sad that members have to worry if a 'newbie' is telling the truth or not. While those of us who are experienced with his antics can usually tell right away, some people may take it as face value that a person is who he/she says, and nobody should have to waste time wondering what's real and what isn't. Among his bogus characters recently have been a 60 year old farmer who knew the Manahans, a thirtysomething housewife with a little girl who watches Bob the Builder, and a San Francisco lesbian. Who will he show up as next?  :-\
Yes I agree , we can not tell if each newbie that register on this forum is the' Bob the builder' becuase apparently he keeps on coming back into this forum with using a different username. Yes, I wonder who he will show up as also?
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on July 17, 2007, 10:47:42 AM
I look into every new registration as best I can now to prevent it.  I wouldn't be too paranoid about most new users, but I always appreciate being warned about suspicious behavior.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on July 17, 2007, 06:41:39 PM
FA

Is it possible for you to take "legal action" against someone who keeps doing this?

And I agree with Annie, he has done this so many times now that some of us have become able to tell by his phrasing that Caleb is back.

I am not saying that I would know immediately, but somehow   :(
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: reashka on July 18, 2007, 09:10:38 PM
Obviously, those people are 'too' obsessed in this forum, doing such thing over and over, I don't know why they do that, to annoy? to take revenge or what? LOL :rolleyes: But whatever it is, only shows that those actions are very immature.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: dmitri on July 20, 2007, 11:10:54 AM
I agree entirely. It becomes extremely tiresome reading their irrational rants.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on July 21, 2007, 08:05:54 AM
It is sad that this 'Caleb' keeps on coming back on the forum. Hopefully that will not happen again. I have the feeling that he is lurking around the forum as a guest.I do not know why they keep on comming back either. I think it is just to annoy people again and again. It does realy show how childish and unintelligant they are.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 21, 2007, 10:42:51 AM
Among his bogus characters recently have been a 60 year old farmer who knew the Manahans, a thirtysomething housewife with a little girl who watches Bob the Builder, and a San Francisco lesbian.

I think it's time American Psychiatric Association came up with a new diagnosis, something like "Obsessive Psychotic Cyber Multiple Personality Disorder"... I'm serious!  I bet they have drugs to treat that.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on July 22, 2007, 07:08:08 PM
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Obviously, those people are 'too' obsessed in this forum, doing such thing over and over, I don't know why they do that, to annoy? to take revenge or what? LOL :rolleyes: But whatever it is, only shows that those actions are very immature.

Probably all of that. Back a few years ago, I did it to Neopets, and that was for revenge. They have been known to freeze people's accounts for things they didn't do, and they did it to me. They said I was harrassing someone. Since I never talked to anyone on there, I just have been a pretty talented "harrasser." I had upwards of 100,000 Neopoints (fake money for the site), and I was ANGRY at being frozen for nothing! So I made fake names, went back in, and did things like curse just to make their lives harder as revenge. Eventually, I got tired of it and moved on.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: reashka on July 22, 2007, 11:44:39 PM
Good thing you dropped it and moved on clock, because after all, you're the one who'll suffer more on that. Maybe that was a misinformation, admins/mods etc. have really a lot things to consider before freezing anyone's account or making sanctions to anyone. Gladly we have a nice ones here. ;D
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Annie on July 23, 2007, 04:32:52 PM
There was a guy on the Star Wars forum who had such a grudge against the new 'prequel' movies and George Lucas making changes that he started getting really violent and openly threatened to torture and kill Hayden Christensen (actor who played Anakin). When some of us started talking back to him, he picked on us there and got himself banned, (the mods didn't even notice until we told on him) but he kept coming back under false names. Each one was banned, but he kept it up. Some of us were also on smaller SW forums, and through the links on the big board he followed us there and started openly posting rude stuff and harassing us in PMs. I was a mod on one of the boards and I had to ban him 11 times. Though he used all different names, he always gave himself away and usually admitted it shamelessly. He threatened me and a few other members, and one of the girls lived in England (where it turned out he was from) and he said he was stalking her. Finally he sent me an email that was pretty much a death threat, and I had his IP traced through the full headers. I gave the info to another person who was very interested (who I suspect may have been Hayden's mother) and she said she was going to get him. A person can lose their internet service or even face jail time for such activity. After that, I never saw anything of him again. I don't know what happened, he either got in terrible trouble or finally got scared and gave it up. It's disturbing how far he went over this. I mean, Star Wars isn't even real!
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on July 23, 2007, 04:47:54 PM
I am glad you found a way to to trace the IP off of the guy from the email Annie. That got his internet suspended. It is a good thing that you can stop people from harrassing you on the internet. Yes, it is so sad how people go too far and deep with suff even if it is science fiction. It shows hoe crazy people can get.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Annie on July 26, 2007, 11:24:55 PM
Here's a story that shows how crazy people can get! Online fighting gone too far! A guy from VA drove all the way to TX to burn down the trailer of his message board enemy:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/072707dntexinternetfeud.b2e2f850.html
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on July 27, 2007, 08:14:56 AM
Gott im Himmel !

That is disgusting.  It is almost as bad as the astronaut who drove from Texas to Florida over a "love triangle".

Annie, thank you for posting this.  I have been telling my son (who is 21) that anything can happen and usually does, no matter how outrageous it may sound!  I have also cautioned him that anything he posts on the Internet can and will be used against him by prospective employers.  And what goes on the Internet stays on the Internet and that when he and his friends are 50 will they really want their "salad years" trash still following them around?

There are those on this forum and and other forums who will take an argument to the ground before they will let it go.  I shiver to think that now, the crazies of the Internet are beginning to drive across country to follow up on an argument or imagined insult.

It is ever more important to protect our private information and our locations    >:(

OH- für die Liebe des Gottes im Himmel!   :'(

Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Annie on July 31, 2007, 12:16:50 AM
Thanks for getting rid of that new porn spammer!
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on July 31, 2007, 07:19:12 AM
Did I miss something?    ???  Or was I just lucky enough to avoid the spammer ?
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Annie on July 31, 2007, 08:48:50 AM
Yes, you did. He posted a thread in this section with links to some very XXX videos. It was only up for about an hour. I didn't get a PM from him, don't know what else he tried.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on July 31, 2007, 08:54:10 AM
That was all he managed to put up, before I found out and deleted it all.  Thanks to Lisa D. for alerting me to it (one of the rare times I don't mind being dragged out of bed at midnight by the phone!  ;D  )

Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Holly on July 31, 2007, 02:57:29 PM
I think it's really funny how Caleb recently said to me that he hasn't been at the AP in a 'long time' and says everyone here is a stupid 'religious fanatic' yet he's tried to get in here repeatedly. He's really a pathetic person all he does is argue with people and deny facts with conspiracy theories. I hope he stays out of here for while.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 31, 2007, 03:05:34 PM
Caleb recently said to me that he hasn't been at the AP in a 'long time' and says everyone here is a stupid 'religious fanatic' ...

Everyone is a "religious fanatic" on this forum? Which religion?
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Holly on July 31, 2007, 03:17:28 PM
I'm not sure that's all he said.  :-\
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on July 31, 2007, 06:25:12 PM
Holly,

You know Caleb and are in communication with him?

I have the feeling that he is back.  There is one poster who sounds a great deal like him in style and substance.

I have been watching and waiting to see more   :(
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 31, 2007, 06:52:58 PM
Well, I have been accused of a lot of things, but "religous fanatic" has never been one of them. Not even when I WAS religous! I will admit, though, that there are some here who actually do fit that bill.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Annie on July 31, 2007, 07:51:50 PM
Well, I have been accused of a lot of things, but "religous fanatic" has never been one of them. Not even when I WAS religous! I will admit, though, that there are some here who actually do fit that bill.

But the biggest one I'm thinking of is actually on the side of the AA supporters  :P

The reason he says that is because he's a member of that AA cult that somehow believes that people who don't believe in her deny the 'truth' because they want to believe they all died together as a Christian family and became martyrs together and if one of them lived that spoils it so they have to pretend she wasn't AN ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) This ranks among the most insane things I have EVER heard but I have seen at least 3, maybe 4, of them say it openly. (this is why he once called himself 'martyr' here, thinking we'd accept that ::) )
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on July 31, 2007, 09:59:49 PM
Look, at one point, recently Penny was looking to take their forum private, since they said clearly that they don't like dissenting opinions from some of our users to be expressed there.  The litle psycho Caleb Granger said "I wont go somewhere I'm not wanted". YET,  he, in so many words, said he would continue to be HERE IN THIS FORUM, despite being told that he was not welcome nor wanted here. WHAT does that tell you?
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 31, 2007, 11:34:20 PM
I have no idea who this Caleb is nor where is comes from but the name is pretty common in Old Testament writings.  Was he not a spy in some stories?  Sort of funny when one looks at the name that way. Of course I have read his rantings but never taken them seriously.  The ones that annoy me the most are the porn posters!  Why do they think  we, on this Forum, would be the least bit interested? Another once respected royalty forum has been invaded by that sort of trash and has been practically ruined by it.  Sadly, they apparently do not have the monitors/moderators to deal with it. A pity, as it was a good source of information. I am by no means a prude, but there is a proper place to express  one's  baser feelings and this is just not one of them, imo!
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on August 01, 2007, 01:48:49 PM
He is very annoying Caleb is such a loser! It is a pity people have to deal with someone like that. :( He always has something to say about me also, this person need to just get a life and stop harrassing others.

I think it's really funny how Caleb recently said to me that he hasn't been at the AP in a 'long time' and says everyone here is a stupid 'religious fanatic' yet he's tried to get in here repeatedly. He's really a pathetic person all he does is argue with people and deny facts with conspiracy theories. I hope he stays out of here for while.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on August 01, 2007, 02:16:41 PM
I don't think we need to waste time or energy discussion the little psycho any longer.  He hasn't snuck back in since I busted him as "Bob the Builder", that last porno spammer wasn't him, and frankly so long as he stops coming in here to disrupt the forum with his lunatic notions, he isn't worth the electricity to even type his name. So shall we just drop that part of the discussion?  Thanks.

FA
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on August 01, 2007, 03:15:37 PM
Yes I agree lets drop the conversation about the person ! Please no more discussions about that again. Its just waisting time talking about the same person who is not here anymore.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Tania+ on August 01, 2007, 03:28:47 PM
What most people do not understand is that most of these kooks love to be discussed, over and over. So when anyone starts to rehash these issues like the tabloids, they naturally get a real charge that they have become the topic of conversation. I for one don't enjoy reading such posts because it only helps the poor wretched soul who craves that kind of publicity to seek out more and more. So my suggestion is that we in the public avenues cease to build the egoes of any of these types of personalities. The FA is right, don't waste any of your energy speaking about them. Thanks again FA for your dedicated work and vigilence !

Tatiana+
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Janet_W. on August 01, 2007, 03:38:02 PM
Period and Full Stop.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Annie on August 02, 2007, 09:20:01 PM
I don't think the porn spammers think we're interested, I think they're pranksters who want to disrupt the forum and go for shock value. The probably laugh because they hope some young kid or some prudish old woman will click on it. Strange the way people have to get their thrills by messing with other people. I'd rather they sit around and play with their porn sites and leave everyone else alone.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Tania+ on August 02, 2007, 11:08:00 PM
I have worked with law enforcement as well with youth and men who have this total obsession with porn, sex, and more. What the general public know and don't know is still to be understood. In any case these 'thrill seekers' stop at nothing, or anyone to gain what they want. When on the internet it is best to notify the person in charge of the given site and give all information available about the spammer. Don't go after the person yourself. If nothing is done by the person in charge, notify by all means the authorities in your area as well as the DA in your city. I never hesitate to do both and have sent a few to jail. Porn spammers are not just pranksters and absolutely true, they are out to get anyone on shock value. What is most upsetting is that most times it is children caught up in something they need to have no part of.

As others have already stated, we need to ignore these persons and allow the FA handle these kooks !

Tatiana+
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on August 03, 2007, 09:05:02 AM
actually Annie, the reason for the spammers is more insidious.  The Alexander Palace Time Machine and Discussion Forum have a huge Google ranking because of  the high traffic world wide.  About 1 million distinct users a month at current rate come here.  There are now always about 50-75 users in the forum at lowest traffic during the day, and we have had about 300 in here at peak times. 

As a result, we are ranked by Google in the top .1% (yes that is point one) of all websites in the world in "popularity". We are on the same ranking worldwide as MarthaStewartLiving.com and Staples.com and Office Max, just to name a few.  These people are not really aiming their links at OUR users, but rather hoping that the Google spider which visits the forum daily now will hit their link and raise their Google rank. The Google ranking algorhythm raises your rank when a higher ranked site links TO you.

You guys don't know this, but there are now over 150 spam registrations DAILY. Every day.  I had 45 waiting for me first thing this morning, just since last night. 2 of the 45 were legit. The rest were spammers.

I don't mean to complain, as I guess this is the price we must pay for the huge success that our little corner of cyberspace has become. Bob had the idea, the visionary that he always was. (Bob pitched the idea for an online airline travel booking site to Apple when he worked there way back in 1993, management thought he was crazy...LOL. 14 years later its a successful reality, can you say Travelocity?) Anyway, thanks to EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, Bob's dream is real. YOU GUYS make it happen.  Our users, each of you, make this the success that it is. A secure, safe, friendly (usually  ;)  ) place people with common interests and questions to learn, grow, interact and make friends across the planet they may never have met.  I just want to thank you all, I rarely get the chance, for making our "home" here into the genuine success that it is.

So, the little work that I do to keep it safe and sane (usually  ;) ) is my honor. These irresponsible, genuinely little nothing people who have so little else in their lives to disrupt the forum or try to peddle their filth in here, they deserve their place in the dark shadows.  YOU GUYS are the heros, YOU GUYS are the stars, YOU GUYS deserve the spotlight. Be proud of this place. We are. Thanks again.

Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: lexi4 on August 03, 2007, 03:35:50 PM
I don't think we need to waste time or energy discussion the little psycho any longer.  He hasn't snuck back in since I busted him as "Bob the Builder", that last porno spammer wasn't him, and frankly so long as he stops coming in here to disrupt the forum with his lunatic notions, he isn't worth the electricity to even type his name. So shall we just drop that part of the discussion?  Thanks.

FA

FA,
Guess not everyone understands that stop means stop.  ;)
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: grandduchessella on August 03, 2007, 04:57:57 PM
Especially not those who would egg him on to return, thinking it great sport and that it would make them roflmao if he did.

I think the FA made it clear that Caleb and his sneaking back on isn't of posting interest anymore and would request no more on him. Problems with other spammers, especially those dropping people porno into their mailboxes, are a separate discussion. Those are the only ones discussed, save for one brief follow-up, since the FA made his request.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Alixz on August 06, 2007, 02:47:25 AM
I am sorry for the contributions that I may have made so that others can find their jollies "rolling on floor lmao" (not mine - theirs).

I think I find that the saddest cut of all.  That others can and do find satisfaction in belittling others.

FA and gde, you are right.

And Lexie 4, I guess you're right - not only here but on other forums, too.  Stop does mean stop and it should apply to everyone.

Alixz    :-X

Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Olga Maria on July 08, 2010, 11:37:21 PM
Yesterday I logged in here and there's a message in the webpage saying "Sorry Grand princess Shandroise, you are banned in using this forum! Spamming prohibited".
I was soooo shocked to see that message. Spam? I haven't spammed anywhere and everywhere in the web and I don't even like spam messages—how could I do a thing I hate? Besides, I just use the PM for talking with my ever beloved friends—I don't waste time spamming and will not do it in  my whole life.
Is that just a website error or am I really banned (or a candidate for banning) here ?
If I'm banned (I hope not because my world will fall apart), may someone please tell me what the reasons are? Did I break a rule of the forum?





Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Olga Maria on July 09, 2010, 12:51:06 AM
Yesterday I logged in here and there's a message in the webpage saying "Sorry Grand princess Shandroise, you are banned in using this forum! Spamming prohibited".
I was soooo shocked to see that message. Spam? I haven't spammed anywhere and everywhere in the web and I don't even like spam messages—how could I do a thing I hate? Besides, I just use the PM for talking with my ever beloved friends—I don't waste time spamming and will not do it in  my whole life.
Is that just a website error or am I really banned (or a candidate for banning) here ?
If I'm banned (I hope not because my world will fall apart), may someone please tell me what the reasons are? Did I break a rule of the forum?

Ah, now problem solved : ) I cleared the cache and resetted my web browser. Now, I can log-in to the forum again conveniently.
Sorry for the disturbance. I was so rattled last night about the "banning message" that I was depressed and am so afraid of leaving this beloved forum.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Olga Maria on July 09, 2010, 11:07:48 PM
I thought I was able to solve my problem yesterday until I opened the forum today. The banning message showed up again and it’s this:
(http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/th_Picture1-4.jpg) (http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/Picture1-4.jpg)
Is this true or is it just my web browser that is doing this?

Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 09, 2010, 11:54:39 PM
I do not know, GPS, but I am getting  strange messages as well;  'while you were writing, another post, etc"  or "your session has timed out....".   Yet, my post  does get  posted.  Go figure ... I have asked about this, but no response yet.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Lindelle on July 10, 2010, 05:37:04 AM
I do not know, GPS, but I am getting  strange messages as well;  'while you were writing, another post, etc"  or "your session has timed out....".   Yet, my post  does get  posted.  Go figure ... I have asked about this, but no response yet.


Robert I get the 'while you were writing' as well, but that just means exactly that and maybe you'd like to insert the quote (if you were quoting a previous post) so the other post 'while you were writing', doesn't get in first.

'your session has timed out' means you may have only logged on for 60 mins, therefor if your on for longer, you have to log in again.



GPS I'd certainly be getting in touch with a mod. Can you do that? Or are you having trouble in getting messages pm'd?
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 10, 2010, 07:14:29 AM
Thank you, Lindelle. Your explanations sound logical but neither situation apples to me; I rarely quote or even attach anything anymore. and, I am permanently logged on, no time limit except  when I move from SF to London, or the reverse.
 As I mention, these message are  odd, because my posts do go up anyway, so they seem to have no effect on their progress.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Lindelle on July 10, 2010, 07:28:13 AM
Ahhhhh, technical hitch then.

Are you going to speak to a mod as it would start to annoy me. Maybe it's something they aren't aware of.
OR do you just ignore it?

Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 10, 2010, 07:40:43 AM
Yes, I sent a message to FA about this but have not heard back yet. I know everyone is innundated with chores on the Forum plus it is vacation/holiday time for  some, but as long as they do not impede my posts, they are just annoying and I am patient.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Margot on July 10, 2010, 08:24:52 AM
Robert I also get the 'timed out' message frequently! It is really odd as I never ever got it as alixannencova, and as then I am logged in forever as far as I can tell! Very odd! Anyway I hope GPS gets her problem sorted with the banned issue...! Poor thing! Hopefully it will be sorted soon!
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 10, 2010, 08:43:52 AM
 The really odd thing about GPS, is that she is obviously not banned, otherwise -, she could not post her messages.  Still, it is disconcerting and obviously upsets her.  It would anybody, especially if you have not done anything to be banned for.
 Could this possibly be someone hacking the Forum, I wonder ?
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on July 10, 2010, 10:24:46 AM
I thought I was able to solve my problem yesterday until I opened the forum today. The banning message showed up again and it’s this:
(http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/th_Picture1-4.jpg) (http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/Picture1-4.jpg)
Is this true or is it just my web browser that is doing this?



I solved the problem. GPS lives in the Philippines. I have a HUGE and terrible problem with spammers from the Philippines, sadly.  I have had to ban a whole section of IP addresses there to keep the spammers out.  When you see that ban message, you are using a different internet provider than the one you usually use, which is the one you post here.  Sadly, you will also have to clear the cache after each time you get the ban message. I'm sorry for this inconvenience.  I have a similar problem with some of our Russian users as well...

FA
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Forum Admin on July 10, 2010, 10:26:57 AM
I do not know, GPS, but I am getting  strange messages as well;  'while you were writing, another post, etc"  or "your session has timed out....".   Yet, my post  does get  posted.  Go figure ... I have asked about this, but no response yet.
The "while you were writing" warning is part of the software, it just alerts you that while you were typing a post, someone else has already posted a new comment, which allows you to review the new comment BEFORE you post, to avoid double answering the same question etc.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 10, 2010, 11:36:50 AM
I understand that, FA, and that is what I took it for, at first. Then I noticed no one had actually posted anything ! As I said, my post went through anyway,  it is just mildly annoying, I can live with it.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Olga Maria on July 11, 2010, 02:43:35 AM
Thank you very much for explaining and solving my problem, FA! When I logged in today, I don’t have that message anymore : ))  Clearing the cache is not a hard work, anyway, so it’s not a problem for me if I’d get that message again.
I'm sorry for this inconvenience.
FA
Nothing to be sorry for : ) I am feeling so happy now because finally it’s clear to me that I’m not banned.
And also aside from FA, I say my infinite thanks to Romanov History Buff (who sent me a PM), Robert, Lindelle, & Margot! God bless all of you!



Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Lindelle on July 11, 2010, 06:36:02 AM
Ah, it was nothing.
Glad to help.
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: BAL on November 13, 2010, 08:43:21 PM
Ladies and gentlemen!
Greetings from Russia!
I apologize for the translation from Russian into English. Unfortunately I do not know English.
I's grandson Alexei Alexandrovich Bachkiroff. Zinaida Bachkiroff-Burke and her sister Xenia Bachkiroff-Krosley. This is my aunt. I am tracing the descendants of Zina and Xenia Bachkiroff. If someone that either is known about their fate, asking me to report.
Sincerely, Alexander Bachkiroff.

Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Lindelle on January 18, 2011, 09:14:50 PM
So, it's relatively safe to come back then, without being sexually harrassed?
Title: Re: Suspended Users
Post by: Bluejade on January 17, 2012, 01:45:32 AM
When I read Rob's first posting on this topic I thought he was being too harsh - then I saw the aliases being used by these three forum members and I was SHOCKED - I too have corresponded with them and had no idea that some of these different aliases were the same people.  I think sometimes you can pick up on certain words and phrases and recognise different names might likely be the same people, but I know I'm not one with that natural talent.

We all should be very careful of people/personalities we meet on the web so that we don't become victims of sociopaths who use the web for their own benefit at the expense of others.  According to Wiped an antisocial personality disorder is indicated by three or more of the following (an abbreviated list):

  • failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest

 


I am a brand new member reading the stickies first to get an idea of how this forum operates.  In my situation there were political reasons for not identifying certain personal data etc.  The reason why I joined this forum is it has been suggested by some Google sites that there maybe historical accuracy here and I am searching for information on a bodyguard to the last tsar on behalf of my partner. His father was the son of a bodyguard and his grandfather was killed when the tsar was killed.  His father was hunted and for the rest of his life his father slept with a loaded 45 pistol under his pillow.  My partner is cautious and a bit anxious just in case there may be still some people hostile out there.   I hope there maybe some understanding in this regard at this forum.  Our interest is to find out a bit more about the family tree if possible and perhaps there maybe someone out there who is looking to see if my partner is a relative.

  • reckless disregard for safety of self or others
  • consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain steady work or honor financial obligations
  • lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another

I am not suggesting that any of these former members of the Forum are sociopaths - I bring this up so that we can all be careful of people who use phony names on the web. If you suspect the 'person' you are chatting with on the web is a phony ask them for an address or telephone number so you can verify who they are.  If they decline to give it to you one can assume they have something to hide.

Bob