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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Balkan Royal Families => Topic started by: Marc on April 11, 2005, 07:56:32 PM

Title: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on April 11, 2005, 07:56:32 PM
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/auersperg23/KingMilan.jpg)
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on April 11, 2005, 08:01:17 PM
After the death of Prince Michail his cousin Milan(portrait above) came to the throne!He ruled as a Prince of Serbia from 1868-1882 and as the first King of Serbia under name King Milan I from 1882-1889!He was also forced to exile and to abdicate in favour of his only son Crown Prince Alexander!He in 1851 and died in Vienna in 1901 living a fullfilled life in exile!
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on April 11, 2005, 08:13:02 PM
King Milan was married to a Russia Nathalie Keshko,who was a daughter of a Russian boyar Peter Keshko who owned a great land in Bessarabia and was very,very rich(Keshko family claimed they descended from Byzantine Comnenos dynasty) and Princess Pulcheria Sturdza who was from a ruling family of Moldavia!Although a love match at first site,Nathalie an Milan never a happy marriage!In the meantime they quareled so much that she had to be go out from Serbia for a while(always wanted to come back with happened during the reign of her son,but for a short time)!She settled in Biaritz in France!She had a great villa there(called ''Sashino''9witch is a casino today)!She became a Catholic,traveled through France and died during the Second World War in 1941 in Paris allmost forgotten!
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on May 07, 2005, 06:08:12 PM
In these posts I will try to show the life of sad,unhappy and fogotten Queen Nathalie of Serbia though pictures!
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on May 07, 2005, 06:08:51 PM
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/auersperg23/Nat1.jpg)
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on May 07, 2005, 06:10:02 PM
Nathalie as a little girl in Russia where she was raised!
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on May 07, 2005, 06:10:56 PM
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/auersperg23/Nat3.jpg)
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on May 07, 2005, 06:13:16 PM
Nathalie as a Princess who married her second cousin Prince Milan(later King) of Serbia!
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on May 07, 2005, 06:14:09 PM
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/auersperg23/Nat2.jpg)
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on May 07, 2005, 06:17:15 PM
Nathalie as a Queen who was for the first time exiled by her husband!Next time she was exiled from the country by her beloved son who married her lady in waiting!This photo was taken in Biaritz where she already converted to Catholicism!
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on May 07, 2005, 06:18:15 PM
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/auersperg23/Nat4.jpg)
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on May 07, 2005, 06:25:57 PM
Here we see Nathalie as a sad and forgotten figure in Paris who lived in the monastery!She presented and was known there as Countess of Rudnik,but the only time she really presented herself as a Queen was when a horseman was kicking his horse!She couldn't stand it and came to him and as a Queen ordered him to stop!Of course,he didn't have to stop because she has been a forgotten ex-Queen of a far away country,but in the end he did!She spent her time giving candies to the children in the parks of Paris...It was reported that she died in 1935,but she died alone in Paris during World War II,without anyone left as a sad,unhappy and forgotten Queen!Ones she died in 1941 there were again several articles in the newspapers about the death of ''the sadest Queen of Europe''...
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on September 17, 2005, 12:59:40 PM
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/breezer22/NathalieSerbia.jpg)
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Grand Duke on September 21, 2005, 02:10:41 PM

KING MILAN

(http://www.earthstation1.com/History/Yugoslavia/Serbia/Pics/MilanObrenovicPrince&KingOfSerbia1868-89.jpg)
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Agneschen on December 28, 2005, 11:56:35 AM
From Nathalie de Serbie - La Reine errante by Alexandre de la Cerda :

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/agnessa/Natalia2.jpg)
Queen Natalia

Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: L. on May 07, 2006, 10:27:38 AM
  Why we didnt speak about this interesting lady before?
  She was wife of King Milan Obrenovitch and mother of King Alexander I of Serbia. She was born 1859. She was daughter of some Russian nobleman John Keshko from Bessarabia (today Moldova) and some Moldavian Princess Marie (or Pulcheria?) who hed some family  relationships with Romanian ducal family Ghika. Does somebody know more about origin of Queen Nathalia?
  She marieed King Milan of Serbia on October 17, 1875 in Belgrade. They hed one son -King Alexander I of Serbia (murdered with his wife Draga on May 26, 1903). Relationship between Nathalie and Milan was very bad, so they divorced in 1889. After that Nathalie was in exile in Biariz (French riviera). She had very close realationship with her son. She died in Biariz 1934. Before her death, when she came in France she converted from Orthodoxy and become a Catolic nun. Does somebody know the reason of that?
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on May 07, 2006, 06:13:47 PM
Her father was a russian and in some sources he was described as Russian boyar!Queen Nathalie's mother was Princess Pulcheria Strudza!Strudza's were at one time reigning family of Moldavia and have descended from Komnenos dynasty who ruled Byzantine Empire!She and her husband King Milan were related(think they are second cousins and their marriage was arranged by his grandmother Esmeralda Katargiu)!
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Yseult on May 08, 2006, 06:31:48 AM
I have news... ;)

Good news: queen Nathalie wrotte her memoirs, so one day we will know why she renounced to Orthodoxy and became not merely a Catholic, but a dame of Sion.

Bad news: the unpublished memoirs of Nathalie are kept in the Vatican.  ::)

She was really an interesting woman. I have read that during her childhood a fortuneller predicted that she will wear a crown but later she will lost it. Her marriage with Milan was not a succesful one, they were mismatched both personally (I suppose that Nathalie resented because Milan was anything but a faithful husband, having a lot of mistresses) and politically (he was influenced by the austrians and had strong russian sympathies). It seems that scenes of domestic discord were frequent and violent. After their divorce, Nathalie lived between Vienna, Wiesbaden and, later, Biarritz, where she had a wonderful palace. It was at the French Riviera where her only son Alexander fall madly in love with her lady-in-waiting Draga Mashin. Nathalia fervently opposed to the marriage of Alexander with Draga, a woman older than him, widow and unable to have children, but Alexander made his will. I suppose that after the murdering of Alexander and Draga, Nathalie needed the comfort that provides the religion.

Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on May 08, 2006, 07:19:28 AM
There is a biography of her,although in Serbian...
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: L. on May 08, 2006, 08:34:15 AM
  Who wroted that biography of her?
  
  Do you consider her beautiful?
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: L. on May 08, 2006, 08:35:34 AM
  Do you have some images of her parents?
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on May 08, 2006, 11:46:13 AM
It is written by her!It's called ''My memoires'' and it is translated from french...there are just pictures of her with her brother,sister and cousins in Odesa!One her aunt was Princess Muruzi of Moldavia,her other aunt was Princess Stirbei,her third aunt was french countess de Bouie(or something like that) who married french atache in Germany,her fourth aunt was Princess Rosetti,her sister Katharina was Princess Ghika and her family Keshko were friends with Princes Gagarin,Troubetsky,Cantacuzen,Counts Besobrasov and Barons von Ungern-Sternbergs...
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: L. on May 08, 2006, 12:36:44 PM
  Does that Princess Stirbei hed some relationship with Prince Stirbey, lover of Queen Marie of Romania?
  Can you scan some photos from her memoirs (if you have them of course) and post on forum, please?
  When the memoirs was published in Serbia and are they still accessible in bookshops in Belgrade?
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on May 09, 2006, 02:20:57 PM
I really don't know that...You must go to National Library-they must have it!!!I don't know either about Prince Stirbei...some photos I already posted in Obrenovich thread-they are from that book!
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Rebecca on May 09, 2006, 06:07:27 PM
[size=14]Did not queen Natalija and king Milan also have another son (I think he was younger than Alexander) who died in infancy? Or am I misremembering something?  :-/[/size]
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on May 09, 2006, 08:11:31 PM
Yes,you are right!His name was Sergei!It was his mothers wish to call him like that since she was a great Russophile!On the contrary her husband King Milan was a great Austrophile...
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: L. on May 12, 2006, 02:48:59 PM
  But, I think that we still know so little about Queen Nathalie... Can we speak about her everyday life, like we talk about Missy? What she loved to eat, which kind of books she read, which parfume she used...?
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on May 27, 2006, 09:43:12 AM
Luka ,have you ever seen le Pavillon royal in Biarritz Qwhere Queen Nathalie used to go?

Vassili

I hope you receive my personal message,I don't have any news from you...
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: L. on May 27, 2006, 02:02:05 PM
Quote
Luka ,have you ever seen le Pavillon royal in Biarritz Qwhere Queen Nathalie used to go?

Vassili

I hope you receive my personal message,I don't have any news from you...

  Soory, I didnt recived mesage. :(
  Yes, I sow some images of Pavillon, but only exterior. I would like to see some photos of interior.
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: L. on July 29, 2006, 08:29:58 AM
  Queen Nathalie was very cold in her accting, so many Serbian politicans thinked that she was a lesbian. They call her Cold Rose. What do you think about it?
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: guinevere on July 31, 2006, 06:21:48 AM
There is a Biography of Natalie in French : The Book is called " Nathalie de Serbie - La Reine errante" and the Author is Alexandre de la Cerda. It came out in 2000 from Atlantica Books and the ISBN is 2-84394-216-0.  I hope that you can still buy the Book. By the Way, I bought it in Belgium

lg
guinevere
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Grand Duke on October 16, 2006, 05:58:12 PM

Queen Nathalie of Serbia

(http://cent.ans.free.fr/pj1891/pj02806061891.jpg)
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on January 09, 2007, 04:58:02 PM
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Natalia.jpg)
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on January 09, 2007, 04:59:56 PM
One portrait of Queen Natalia...
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on January 17, 2007, 05:01:39 PM
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/jewel21.jpg)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/jewel3t.jpg)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/jewel33.jpg)
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on January 17, 2007, 05:06:43 PM
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/jewel34.jpg)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/jewel12.jpg)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/jewel36.jpg)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/jewel14.jpg)
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on January 17, 2007, 05:11:52 PM
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/jewel11.jpg)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/jewel13.jpg)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/jewel32.jpg)
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on January 17, 2007, 05:18:23 PM
Those jewels I posted were just recently found in one of the Swiss banks and they belonged to Queen Nathalia...They were made by the Austrian jewelers...They were gifts from her husbands  trips to Vienna during the first years of their marriage!
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on April 19, 2008, 11:55:49 PM
 Although many think that Queen Natalia was poor,she died very wealthy because she inherited all Obrenovic fortune after death oh her son King Alexander(plus her Keshko-Strudza estates)...In her testaments she left all that to Belgrade University and to descedants of Jakov,Prince Milosh's brother who are still present in the male line and live in Serbia under the surname Jakovljevic!
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 20, 2008, 05:31:56 PM
Queen Natalija

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/A%20Imperial%20Album/Balkan%20Royal%20Families/Serbia/books.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/A%20Imperial%20Album/Balkan%20Royal%20Families/books-1.jpg)




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Post by: nena on January 28, 2009, 09:49:50 AM
Last letter from ex- Queen Nathalie to his son Alexander I:

'' Dear son, God wanted for you to knuckle of his temptation, but you wasn't strong - you succumbed! However, it is not too late! Back return to mother's arms, which will and can help you! Draga is a smart woman. Make agreements with her. She wanted to be Queen and she became. History will record her name near yours. But now, to her, as a smart woman, offer a peaceful split. She may go outside, and there if you want, love each other, but give place to a better/honourable woman, which people will gladly accept. You will be happy. She wll be happy. All of us will be happy. It is all in your hands. Your unlucky mother is kissing you. Nathalie .''

Poor woman, she lost son, and later opened Lazaret in France during WW1. Some people believe she is the most unfortunate Queen.
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on February 22, 2009, 09:08:46 PM
Villa Sashino(named after King Alexander Obrenovic-Sascha),once home of Queen Nathalia while living in exile in Biarritz and today a casino:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Biarritz.jpg)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/casino.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on April 15, 2009, 06:44:03 PM
Long time ago I promised to scan picture of George Obrenovic,King Milan's illegitimate son...so here it is:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/GeorgeObr.jpg)
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: nena on April 15, 2009, 06:58:28 PM
He resembled to his father. Poor Nathalie, what she could have think about Milan?

M&N:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Obrenovic/m500902_0001433_v.jpg)

In this one I see her resemblance to Madame Draga. Maybe of that Young Alexander fell in love with her? But it was real love, from what I have read.
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: nena on April 22, 2009, 10:59:25 AM
Nathalie Petrovna Keshko was born in Firenza on May 14th 1859. Parents were Peter Keshko and Pulcheria.

She had brother Mimmy and sister Mariette. Mimmy died young. Also, her father died young, in 1860s, her mother was ill, and used to visit Odessa often, where climate is so fine.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Obrenovic/6581766.jpg)

Maria Catargi talked with her grandmother about young Prince Milan. (They related, also). They married in 1875, I think. They had two sons, Alexander and Serge, who died in 1878. They were happy 'happy pair', according to one poet.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Obrenovic/m500902_0001433_v.jpg)


But she was Rusophile, her manners, also his lover affairs ended as a divorce  :-(. Alexander grew up seeing to often fights among his parents. And always wanted woman who would in somehow, replace mother's love, which he didn't get. So, Nathalie left country, went to Vienna, and then to Biaritz. She read also stories written by Madame Draga Mashin ('Cat's eye', 'Did it have to be like that'), and invited her to be her lady-in waiting at Biarritz. It was 1891. Draga accepted, since she was in financial crisis.

During summers of 1893/4/5 young King visited his mother regular. Nathalie directed Draga to write letter to King, where she invited him to a visit. Draga knew it might be dangerous, but Nathalie's will was stronger. Also, palace in Biarritz was named 'Saschino', as nickname of her son, Alexander. in 1895, King almost lost life among waves. Legend say, Draga saved his life. Then came 1897 -- in November, Draga came to Belgrade, Nathalie had fight to her, because she was against love of King and lady-in waiting. Nathalie was afraid -- what if he marry her?

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Obrenovic/31-1.jpg)
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: TampaBay on April 22, 2009, 06:44:43 PM
What happened next?

TampaBay
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: nena on April 23, 2009, 08:53:29 AM
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Obrenovic/th_Natalija_i_Aleksandar.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Obrenovic/?action=view&current=Natalija_i_Aleksandar.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Obrenovic/th_Natalija_Aleksandar.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Obrenovic/?action=view&current=Natalija_Aleksandar.jpg)

After fighting with ministers, and after two minister warned Draga that is all in her hand, to refuse King's engagement, they menaced to her. She tried to escape from county, and hide at her aunt. King came at her house, and ordered to her younger brother to bring her back. It was 8. July 1900 -- King put beautiful ring on her finger. It was engagement. Marriage was arranged to be on July 23rd 1900.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Obrenovic/th_1457.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Obrenovic/?action=view&current=1457.jpg)


Back to Nathalie -- she was shocked, her son married her former 'lady -in waiting, widow, older woman, barren'. People accepted her as a Serbian Queen, but later, she was hated by ministers, yournalists, Court, women. She(Nathalie) abandoned Alexander as her son, in publicity, felt sorry because she gave birth him. King Milan didn't want to come to country never again. Any contact between Nathalie and Pair was broken.

Nathalie sent letter to Tsar Nicholas II that Draga probably lie she is pregnant, and Tsar sent doctor to Belgrade, Surgenev, who inspected Queen Draga. She was not pregnant, it was identified as ' spiritual gestation'.

Nathalie lived peacefully in her 'Sachino' Palace in Biarritz. Then came 1903. Nathalie wanted    atonement with son and Draga. Here is last letter of her to her son written several weeks before assassination:

'' Dear son, God wanted for you to knuckle of his temptation, but you wasn't strong - you succumbed! However, it is not too late! Back return to mother's arms, which will and can help you! Draga is a smart woman. Make agreements with her. She wanted to be Queen and she became. History will record her name near yours. But now, to her, as a smart woman, offer a peaceful split. She may go outside, and there if you want, love each other, but give place to a better/honorable woman, which people will gladly accept. You will be happy. She wll be happy. All of us will be happy. It is all in your hands. Your unlucky mother is kissing you. Nathalie .''

She was in Paris, walking in Versailles, when heard the saddest news in her life - Couple was murdered in Palace in early hours on May 29th/June 11th 1903. Since that moment, Nathalie's life became dark. She wore only black clothes since then. Some people she is one of most tragic Queens. She said - ' I saw how they killed my son, but I couldn't do anything'. Many tears since that day. She didn't sleep.

Nathalie built two churches in Biarritz. All action capital belonged to her. She gave several things to University.
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on June 15, 2009, 07:44:51 PM
Even when she died she was a very rich woman...but most of them who had the chance to see her in that period thought that she was a pauper!
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 26, 2009, 07:25:19 PM
Very interesting posts, thanks :-)
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Post by: Marc on July 25, 2009, 08:32:30 AM
Queen Natalia's mother,Princess Pulcheria Sturdza:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/pulheriakesko.jpg)
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Post by: Svetabel on July 25, 2009, 08:50:00 AM
Is that a quality of photo or Pulcheria really looks frown  ? : )
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on July 25, 2009, 09:52:07 AM
Well,from what I have read about her she was not frown at all...she was always ill so maybe that was the reason for her looks..don't think that it is the photo-I would say the same! :-)
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Post by: Yseult on July 26, 2009, 02:46:50 PM
This comes from ebay...

Milan Obrenovic, Natalija Keshko and her sisters.

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/NatalijaMilanandhersisters.jpg)
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Post by: nena on July 26, 2009, 05:28:47 PM
What an excellent photo! Thank you. this is the first time I see photo of Mariette and Catherine.  ;-)
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Post by: Marc on July 26, 2009, 09:52:25 PM
Me too...great photo of Milan with his cousins ;-)
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Post by: Rani on October 19, 2009, 05:52:42 PM
(http://i37.tinypic.com/11h5ic8.jpg)

By Adele Riche 1875
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Post by: djordjes on February 25, 2010, 05:34:30 PM
Queen Natalia's mother,Princess Pulcheria Sturdza:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/pulheriakesko.jpg)

Very nice picture. Who was parents of Princess Pulcheria Sturdza, and when she lived?
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Post by: Marc on February 25, 2010, 09:48:57 PM
Can't find her biography now,but anyway Nathalie doesn't mention Pulcheria's parents and her grandparents...her mother was from the family that ruled in Moldavia...she just mentioned that when her mother died she was raised by her mothers sister Princess Mourousi(once ruling Princes of Wallachia) whose husband Prince Mourousi was her guardian and also says that her mother had another sister who was married to a French Count who was an ambassador...

Trough Sturdza family Nathalie is from today's point of view also related to the great families like Princes of Bourbon Two-Sicilies,Gortschakow,Kotchubey,Koudachev,Putiatin,Ghika,Counts von Schönborn-Wiesentheid,Dembinsky,Barons Schell von Bauschlott and so on...

Btw,there was one more Sturdza in the family...her husband's(King Milan's) great-grandmother was also Princess Roxana Sturdza who was also a grandmother of Nathalie's father Colonel and president of the nobles assembly of Bessarabia,Peter Keshko...Roxane's brother brother Michail was ruling Prince of Moldavia from 1833-1848...I assume that Princess Pulcheria Sturdza was close relative of her husbands grandmother Princess Roxane Sturdza...that is how the marriage market worked at that time among noble families,so this could be a clue to Pulcheria's parents...

Forgot to add that Nathalie's dowry was 6.000.000 rubles...
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: djordjes on February 26, 2010, 02:13:49 AM
What were names of Pulcheria sister Mourusi and her husband Prince Mourusi? I found http://www.ghyka.com/Familles/Mourousi/Mourousi.pdf
and three pairs Mourusi-Sturdza about half 19 century:
Alexandru (1805-1873) and Smaranda Sturdza (-1884)
Alexandru (1817-1878) and Adela Sturdza (-1905)
Constantin (1819-1886) and Ecaterina Sturdza

I dont know which of them are Nathalie's. Maybe you can find their children in that genealogy tree, if Nathalie mentioned them.

For now, we cannot find when Pulcheria Studza died, and name of her another sister, parents...
Are there any genealogy tree of Sturdza family on the net?

Thanks for informtion about Roxana Sturdza. I think also that Roxana and Pulcheria are in close relation.
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on February 26, 2010, 06:15:53 AM
Thank you for this...I can't answer to you until I find her biography somewhere in my house...I will try to look up for it.Still you did a great job finding this...I don't know about Sturdza genealogy...they are mentioned in the site http://aristoromania.blogspot.com/2009/06/catargiu-family.html but not in particular as far as I know...
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on February 26, 2010, 07:19:09 AM
Found it...Princess Pulcheria Sturdza was daughter of Prince Nicolai Sturdza and Princess Maria Rosetti-Roznovanu...if you look further in genealogy of the Bals family you will find that there was one Pulcheria Bals,born in 1799 who married Prince Iordache Rosetti-Roznovanu so she could be also her ancestor through her mother Maria...

http://www.ghika.net/Familles/Bals/Bals_01.pdf


Here I found a quote in the book of Prince Michail Dimitri Sturdza,called " La Russie et la désunion des principautés roumaines, 1864-1866"


(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Sturdza.jpg)


Here is a link to the book,although I don't understand French,I figured out about Pulcheria's parents posted above:


http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home/prescript/article/cmr_0008-0160_1971_num_12_3_1843


Here you see that her one aunt was Princess Ekaterina Mourousi and the other Zoe who she also mentiones in her book was Princess Cantacuzene...In her biography Nathalie also mentioned another aunt which was not mentioned in this quote...she says that she was married to Count de Bouille(hope I got the right spelling)...she also says that her family frequently visited "her mother cousin Princess Gagarina"...
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Post by: djordjes on March 02, 2010, 06:56:31 PM
Thank you for these information. I didn't find any more information about Pulcheria Sturdza and her parents Nicolau Sturdza and Maria Rosetti-Roznovanu. Where did they born or die, and who were their ancestors? I only found this http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palatul_Roznovanu

I also found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihail_Sturdza (brother of Roxane Sturdza 1785-1844, Milan's and Nathalie's great-grandmother). Do you have picture of Nathalie's father Peter Keshko (1830-1865)? His parents was Ivan Keshko (Ioan Kesco) and Nathalie Bals (1812-1830). Nathalie's parents were Roxane Sturdza and Iordaki (Iordache, Gheorghe) Bals (1776-1849). I didn't find any information about Ioan Keshko (when hi lived, died, who were his parents etc.)
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on March 03, 2010, 08:45:48 AM
I am afraid that I know about Keshko ancestors as much as you do.Unfortunately,I don't have a picture of her father Peter Keshko ;-(

The palace Roznovanu was in Iashi where her grandmother Princess Maria Rosetti-Roznovanu lived.They often stayed with her as children.After her mothers death her grandmother wanted the Keshko children to live there with her but Natalia didn't want that as she always remembered her mother's words about Moldavia which were not very pleasing concerning that her family Sturdza was deposed from the throne there.Although Moldavian Princes,Sturdza family left Moldavia for Russia after the fall from power and on 31.03.1884 they were proclaimed Princes of the Russian Empire.

Her brother Michael was at one time living with their grandmother in Iashi,but he got sick there and few years after he died.Her grandmother Maria was a person with whom she corresponded during her time in Serbia.She informed Natalia about her sister Maria who "run away" with Prince Ghika.Natalia was not pleased because she had other plans for her.

It is interesting that her immediate family,apart from her grandmothers sister Esmeralda,whom she later described as an intriguer,were against the marriage of Natalia and Prince Milan.She grew up with Prince Dimitri-Grisha and Princess Olga Manukbei and the family was hoping for a match with Dimitri who loved Natalia...She remained friends with Olga who visited her in Serbia as Countess von Hatzfeld-Trachenberg upon her marriage...

When she got engaged to Prince Milan of Serbia two weeks later her cousin Prince Ivan Obolensky,son of Prince Mikhail Obolensky and Princess Olga Sturdza and later in his life Governor-General of Finland,proposed to her through a letter,but it was too late.She said that Prince Ivan Obolensky was a great gentleman who later became a very good husband to his wife and that she regrets that this letter was two weeks late...

She also talked about the fight in a ball between Prince Trubetskoy and Baron von Ungern-Sternberg because of her...
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Post by: djordjes on March 03, 2010, 02:43:18 PM
Father of Nicoalu Sturdza was Ioan Sturdza (1761-1842), Prince of Moldavia 1822-1828. On this page http://homepage.mac.com/crowns/r/avframe.html I found name of Nicolau mother (Ioan's wife) Catherina but anymore information about her. Ioan father was Alexandru Sturdza, see http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/STE_SUS/STURDZA_or_STURZA.html, but I don't know who was his mother.

Ancestors of Queen Nathalie:
1. Peter Keshko (Pjotr Ivanovic Kesko) 1830-1865
2. Pulcheria Sturdza (died before 1875)
1.1. Ivan Kesko
1.2. Nathalie Bals 1812-1830
2.1. Nicolau Sturdza
2.2. Maria Rosetti-Roznovanu (died after 1875?)
1.1.1. ?
1.1.2. ?
1.2.1. Iordaki (Iordache, Gheorghe) Bals 1776-1849
1.2.2. Roxane Sturdza 1785-1844
2.1.1. Ioan Sturdza 1761-1842, Prince of Moldavia 1822-1828
2.1.2. Catherina ?
2.2.1. ?
2.2.2. ?
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on March 03, 2010, 08:07:42 PM
Yes,Princess Maria Rosetti-Roznovanu died after 1875 because Queen Natalia says in her memoirs that she received a letter from her Roznovanu grandmother in 1881.

There is one more clue to this...in her memoirs Natalia mentioned her aunt who married Count de Bouille.Well,there is one,who is not her aunt,but is related...Princess Smaranda Rosetti-Roznovanu married French Count Henri de Bouille which could make her first cousin of her mother Pulcheria and since her memoirs are written in Serbia,where every close elder cousin is called aunt and uncle and only distant cousin is called just a cousin...that would mean that her grandmother Maria Rosetti-Roznovanu is daughter of Prince Iordache Rosetti-Roznovanu who firstly married Profira Bals and later Anica Bogdan,but was just missed in genealogy table...

P.S.When titles are concerned there must be a distinction between Ruling Princes and just Princes because,for example if one is a Prince of Moldavia who rules the country,from the Sturdza family for example,he is a Ruling Prince and while he rules his children are Princes and Princesses of Moldavia,but when they are deposed ex-ruling Prince and his descendants will be all just Princes and Princesses Sturdza(which makes ex-ruler just Head of his family) in order to make distinction with the new ruling family in Moldavia...

Just like in Serbia,while Prince Alexander Karadjordjevic was ruling the country from 1842-1858 his children were at that time Princes and Princesses of Serbia while the ex-ruling Prince Milos,his wife and descendants were then just Princes and Princesses Obrenovic and when Milos returned to rule the country then his children were again Princes and Princesses of Serbia and Alexanders were just Princes and Princesses Karadjordjevic...

Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on March 04, 2010, 12:31:24 AM
I have found that her grandfather Prince Nicolae Sturdza married 3 times...firstly to Princess Marghiolita Ghika-Comanesti in 1824,secondly to C.Sturdza and thirdly to Maria Rosetti-Roznovanu which could mean that Maria as a third wife and presumably younger then her husband was born after 1799 which would make Anica Bogdan her mother and Natalia's great-grandmother presumably that Maria's father was Prince Iordache Rosetti-Roznovanu which I find highly likely due to the fact that wife of Prince Ioan Sturdza 1761-1842,who ruled in Moldavia from 1822-1828 was Princess Ecaterina Rosetti-Roznovanu,who lived from 1764-1847 and from the same Roznovanu line...

If something will help your search I found that Ioann Keshko was mayor of the town of Kishinev or Chişinău in Romanian and later president(Marshal as the call it)of the nobility of Bessarabia while his wife Natalia Bals died in 1830 of cholera...you can also find his name in the stone of Catholic church from 1840 in Kishinev under the name of "Joanne Keszko" written in Latin...

http://www.bessarabia.ru/k-k3.jpg

I also found a very interesting fact that direct ancestors of Queen Natalia were Constantin Keshko and Irina Buzny(Бузни in Russian),daughter of Ilya Buzny who took his wife's family name...Irina Buzny was sister of Konstantin Buzni who is a direct ancestor of senior albeit collateral branch of Karadjordjevic family...



Line of Iliya Buzny to Natalia Keshko and Obrenovic family:



Iliya Buzny,born around 1700=Klotshera Buzny
I
Irina Buzny=Konstantin Keshko
I
__________=__________(could be 1 or 2 generations empty until Ioann Keshko-don't know)
I
Ioann Keshko,after 1840=Natalia Bals(1812-1830)
I
Peter Keshko(1830-1865)=Princess Pulcheria Sturdza(1831-1874)
I
Natalia Keshko(1859-1941)=King Milan of Serbia(1854-1901)




Line of Ilya Buzny to Aleksa,Claimant to the Serbian Throne and Karadjordjevic family:




Iliya Buzny,born around 1700=Klotshera Buzny
I
Konstantin Buzny(1740/1750-1821)=Smaranda,of a greek noble family
I
Viktoria Buzny,died in 1824=Nikolai Trokin-Marshal of the Russian Court
I
Maria Trokin(1806-1827)=Aleksa Karadjordjevic(1801-1830)
I
Prince George Karadjordjevic(1827-1884)=Sarka Anastasijevic,daughter of Misa Anastasijevic,one of the richest merchants
I                                                                                            
Prince Aleksa Karadjordjevic,Claimant to the Serbian Throne(1859-1920)=Myra Abigail Pankhurst(1859-1938)

      

If you want to know more about maybe Keshko or Kesko ancestors try to write an e-mail here because they say it is possible to know a family tree from 300 years ago until today:


http://nistru-prut.info/index.php?mode=ngenprez&prez=gen&lang=eng&namegen=Kesco


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Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on June 09, 2010, 10:00:41 AM
Some more information about Queen Natalia's Sturdza ancestry:


                Boyar Matei Sturdza(born around 1600)=Anastasia Mihailescu
                                                                      I
                                            Boyar Kiriac Sturdza=Alexandra Ureche
                                                                      I
                            Boyar Sandu Kiriacescu Sturdza=Paraschiva Catargiu
                                                                      I
                                                  Vasile Sturdza =Ileana Costachi
                                                                      I
          Prince Ioan Sturdza of Moldavia(1761-1842)=Princess Ecaterina Rosetti-Roznoveanu(1762-1842)
                                                                      I
                                        Prince Nicolae Sturdza=Princess Maria 'Marghiolitza' Ghika-Comanesti(1805-1887)
                                                                      I
                  Princess Pulcheria Sturdza(1831-1874)=Peter Keshko(1830-1865)
                                                                      I
                                 Natalia Keshko(1859-1941)=King Milan of Serbia(1854-1901)



Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 11, 2010, 01:20:01 PM
The Queen in 1880
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/NataliaSerbia.jpg)
Two portraits
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/Natalia.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/NataliaReina.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 11, 2010, 01:27:16 PM
The Queen
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/SerbiaQueen.jpg)
Courtesy: foro dinastias
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/Keshko.jpg)
With son
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/QueenSon.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 11, 2010, 01:37:11 PM
Natalia of Serbia
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/SerbianQueen-1.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/Queen-Natalia.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on June 11, 2010, 03:05:50 PM
Thank you for this,the last color one is new to me,but some of those should be in fact "courtesy from alexanderpalace" because I scanned them for this forum...anyway,good thing is they reappear in other forums where people are also interested in history and can't follow this one...thnx one more time :-)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 11, 2010, 03:19:45 PM
You're welcome. But in fact I saved all of them form other pages, i wonder where they saved them at first
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Post by: Marc on June 11, 2010, 09:34:08 PM
I know :-) really I don't mind it because that is somehow a proof that people are in fact interested in what you post,so,no problem with that ;-)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 24, 2010, 02:15:37 PM
Natalia and Milan

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/VictorianLadies/NataliaMilan.jpg)

Alone

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/VictorianLadies/NKeshko.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 05, 2010, 01:37:12 PM

traditional gown
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/NatalijaGown.jpg)
Standing
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/NataliaSerbia.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 05, 2010, 01:39:02 PM
Very elegant
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/Serbia.jpg)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/NatFan.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 18, 2010, 11:57:12 AM
With other royal ladies of her time...
Click here! (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2065/2246074171_d42ba054da.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on August 19, 2010, 07:49:23 AM
Queen Natalia with Draga Mashin...other persons seem familiar...anyone any clue about them?

http://a.imageshack.us/img839/2897/natalijaimasin1893.jpg
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Post by: nena on August 19, 2010, 08:52:52 AM
I like that photo - could the man on far left be Nikola Pashic? The ladies could also be ex - Queen Natalie's ladies-in waiting.
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Post by: Marc on January 26, 2011, 12:36:23 AM
She remained friends with Olga who visited her in Serbia as Countess von Hatzfeld-Trachenberg upon her marriage...

Photo of Countess Olga von Hatzfeldt-Trachenberg,born Princess Manukbei,friend of Queen Natalie of Serbia...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22702991@N02/3490011713/

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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 05, 2011, 01:26:55 PM
Wonderful photos Marc ;-)
Now a print showing Nathalie
Courtesy: nypl
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/natalia.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on July 05, 2011, 07:02:24 PM
I like that photo - could the man on far left be Nikola Pashic? The ladies could also be ex - Queen Natalie's ladies-in waiting.

Don't think so...some of them are,I think,members of Houses of Habsburg,Wurttemberg and maybe Russia!
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 06, 2011, 08:09:19 AM
they dont look like any romanov, habsburg or wurttemberg that i know
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 06, 2011, 01:18:46 PM
Print
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/natalijao.jpg)
Photo
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/Captura.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 06, 2011, 02:01:22 PM
Here s the full of the last one you posted

(http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/4986/71119otkrica07kraljican.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on July 06, 2011, 10:26:09 PM
they dont look like any romanov, habsburg or wurttemberg that i know

I am not sure,of course...but the woman standing on the left to me looks like Archduchess Maria Theresia(married Wurttemberg) and Natalia was very close to Teschen branch of Habsburg family...visinting them in Germany and Austria and Archduke Albrecht also paying a visit to Belgrade...

Here is a picture for comparation:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/daan73/MariaTheresia2.jpg

What do you think?It was just my guess...

If anybody could recognize anyone from the picture above it would be great...
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Post by: Svetabel on July 06, 2011, 11:21:47 PM
they dont look like any romanov, habsburg or wurttemberg that i know

I am not sure,of course...but the woman standing on the left to me looks like Archduchess Maria Theresia(married Wurttemberg) and Natalia was very close to Teschen branch of Habsburg family...visinting them in Germany and Austria and Archduke Albrecht also paying a visit to Belgrade...

Here is a picture for comparation:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/daan73/MariaTheresia2.jpg

What do you think?It was just my guess...

If anybody could recognize anyone from the picture above it would be great...

They don't resemble any Royal person of the time.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 07, 2011, 07:33:03 AM
the lady has an slight resemblance but its not Maria Theresa.
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Post by: Marc on July 07, 2011, 07:47:01 AM
Thanks...I thought that maybe it could be Maria Theresia since she often wrote how she loved to spend time with Teschen branch of the Habsburgs and the woman in the photograph had similar face expression and hairstyle,so I thought it could be her...
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 07, 2011, 12:06:35 PM
Thank you Carolath for the full verssion of Queen Nathalie's photo  :)
Print showing the Queen and her son
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/nathaliaandson.jpg)
Old print showing Nathalie arriving to Belgrad (sorry for the size)  :'(
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/nataliabelgrade.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on November 25, 2011, 10:42:06 PM
A little bit about Queen Natalia's father,Moldavian Boyar Peter Keshko:

"...Queen Nathalie has all the indomitable energy of her late father, Col. Keshko, who left the Russian service after a duel with Martinoff, by whom was killed the Russian novelist Lermontoff. Col. Keshko, one of the handsomest men of his generation, inherited a colossal fortune from his father, a very wealthy boyar of Bessarabia.  He was highly educated, of very polished manners, and a favorite in the highest social circles of every capital in Europe, where his adventures and duels were as sensational as any ever recorded in romance.  One of these last was with Prince Dolgorouky, the man who was so notorious for his quarrels with the Russian government and his libels upon the Moronzoff family.  The Prince gave a revolutionary toast at a dinner table, Keshko took it up, and Queen Nathalie’s father severely wounded his adversary, just as he had previously done with Count G. at Vienna.  Keshko finally married the Princess Pulcheria Sturdza from Moldavia, and from that moment his romance was confined to his fireside.  He was a devoted husband and father, and of his four children, three girls and a boy, the eldest is she about whom the continental Chancelleries are now so exercised.  Mme. Keshko died soon after the Colonel, leaving the orphans to the care of her sister, Princess Constantin Mouruzi, with whom as co-guardians were Messrs. Krista and Prince Manonckbey, rich Bessarabian landowners, who so admirably administered their wards’ fortune that it reached an enormous figure, when was proposed to the lovely heiress the alliance of Milan Obrenović, a Prince in name, but really only a vassal of the Osmanli."
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 16, 2012, 02:58:44 PM
Thank you for the interesting information Marc, I didn't know very much about the life of Nathalie's parents, in this case, her father!
The family together: Milan, Nathalie and little Alexander
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/Milan_Natali_i_Aleksandr.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on April 18, 2013, 09:34:26 AM
Bust of Queen Natalia:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/jewels6_zpsadc421c2.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/auersperg21/media/jewels6_zpsadc421c2.jpg.html)
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Post by: Marc on April 19, 2013, 11:06:40 AM
This was jewelry box of Queen Natalia...here is a bust and a photo-portrait of Natalia in front of her Biarritz palace,now a famous Casino:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Natalija3_zps4c4127d1.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/auersperg21/media/Natalija3_zps4c4127d1.jpg.html)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Natalija2_zpsad94489f.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/auersperg21/media/Natalija2_zpsad94489f.jpg.html)

And one sculpture portrait of King Milan,taken at the exhibition in Belgrade History Museum:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Milan_zps72a06d89.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/auersperg21/media/Milan_zps72a06d89.jpg.html)
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Post by: Marc on June 13, 2014, 05:51:08 AM
Portrait of Queen Natalija by Vlaho Bukovac exhibited in National Museum in Belgrade:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Nat_zpsaca7e876.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/auersperg21/media/Nat_zpsaca7e876.jpg.html)
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Post by: Marc on November 07, 2015, 05:48:06 PM
Queen Nathalie's id card:

(http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj526/auersperg24/carte_zpsdrpavlic.jpg) (http://s1266.photobucket.com/user/auersperg24/media/carte_zpsdrpavlic.jpg.html)
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Post by: Marc on March 10, 2016, 03:17:28 PM
Do you have picture of Nathalie's father Peter Keshko (1830-1865)?

Here are pictures of Queen Natalia's parents:


Colonel Peter Keshko:

(http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj526/auersperg24/Keshko1_zpsyzgwumj2.jpg) (http://s1266.photobucket.com/user/auersperg24/media/Keshko1_zpsyzgwumj2.jpg.html)



And here is a picture of her mother Princess Pulcheria Sturdza:

(http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj526/auersperg24/Keshko2_zps7o1sy9fs.jpg) (http://s1266.photobucket.com/user/auersperg24/media/Keshko2_zps7o1sy9fs.jpg.html)
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on March 10, 2016, 03:59:19 PM
What is more interesting is that according to some more recent sources Queen Natalia or in fact Keshko family belongs to the family of Counts Wassilko von Serecki.

The family was ennobled for the first time on February 16th in 1428 by Prince Alexander I the Good of Moldavia and 2 brothers Luca and Pancu were proclaimed his vassals and landowners.They got from him possessions(villages and forest).

Descendants of Luca were 3 brothers whose nobility and possessions were confirmed by Duke Alexandru Ilias of Moldavia in 1667.

Those brothers named Vasili,Constantine and Nicolae fought for Polish King Jan Sobieski.

Counts Wassilko von Serecki were descendants of Vasili,while Keshko family descended from second brother Constantine,whose nickname was Chesco(Keshko).Third brother Nicolae didin't have children.
Title: Re: King Milan of Serbia and his spouse Nathalie Keshko
Post by: Marc on March 01, 2019, 04:34:09 PM
Interesting article about Catargiu family, family of Maria Elena, mother of King Milan:

http://vranceaaltfel.ro/costin-catargiu-intrigantul/

I used google translate, as the article is in Romanian.

And photo of young Maria Elena Obrenovic:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0qB22hfi-q0/VqTfrEHJLvI/AAAAAAAA7k0/Z8ZcwHL1mr8/s1600/Maria_Obrenovici_DSC00306.JPG