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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Habsburgs => Topic started by: José on June 01, 2006, 11:07:57 AM

Title: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: José on June 01, 2006, 11:07:57 AM
Arch Duke Felix, 3rd son of Emperor Karl I, turned 90 yesterday.
He was born in Schönbrunn 31 May 1916.
In 1952 he got married to Pss. Anna-Eugénie von Arenberg who died in San Angel, Mexico 9 Jun 1997 .

They had 7 children:
 
1) Maria del Pilar , b.Mexico 18 Oct 1953; m 1980 Vollrad-Joachim Georg Günther Rr u.Edler von Poschinger.  They had 5 children.
 
2) Karl Philipp, b.Mexico 18 Oct 1954; m.1st Munich 4 Sep 1994 (div 1997) Martina Donath (b.Vienna 18 Jun 1955); m.2d Pau 12 May 1998 Annie-Claire Christine Lacrambe (b.Pau 15 Feb 1959)  One son from each marriage and a strange story of kidnapping his own son of 1st marriage from his former's wife custody  :-?.
 
3) Kinga, b.Schloß Guttenberg 13 Oct 1955; m1985 Wolfgang Hubert Hermann Frhr von Erffa  They have 5 children

4) Raimund, b.Mexico 28 Jan 1958; m.1994 Bettine Götz. They have 3 children.

5) Marie Adelheid (Miriam) b.Mexico 21 Nov 1959; m.Mexico City 1983 Jaime Marcos Pedro Corcuerra Acheson . 4 sons

6) István, b.Mexico 22 Sep 1961; m.Budapest 1993 Paola de Temesváry (b.Budapest 4 Jun 1971) .  3 children
 
7) Viridis, b.Mexico 23 Sep 1961; m.1990 Karl Harold William Dunning-Gribble (b.Paris 29 May 1961) .  4 children

I would like to know more about him.
I understand he lives in Mexico for a long time. AFAIK he worked there for VW.  
Can someone confirm ?
Please post pictures of the couple, their children and grand-children.


Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: José on June 02, 2006, 09:28:24 AM
Thank you for all those photos.
Looking forward for the rest of the family  ;)
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on June 02, 2006, 01:58:38 PM
I would also be very interested in seeing the rest of the family, but to find pictures of felix and his family is quite difficult , I have also made this experience. The other children I have never found in pictures, I think Felix is simply not so famous as Otto. But it´s interesting, he´s the second brother, who is now over ninety. Zita became also became very old, but Karl not :'(

Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: José on June 04, 2006, 12:38:20 PM
I was in Madeira last week.

Every time I go there I try to visit Karl's grave in the Church of Our Lady of Monte.
It is a moving place.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: José on June 04, 2006, 12:45:12 PM
A suggestion:

Why not start a thread with Karl and Zita's children, their marriages, and their children.
F.i., I've never seen pictures/portraits of ADs Adelheid, Charlotte or Elizabeth - Otto's sisters (as adults).
Only as children.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on June 04, 2006, 01:35:10 PM
Yes, you are right. I think there should be in general an own thread for the Habsburg. It´s a bit that they are mixed under the headline "Hohenzollern". There are already many Habsburgs discussed here, so I found it better to make an own over-thread for them. But I do not know, who decides about this.
Yes, making a thread on the children of Karl and Zita would be interesting, too. I only wondered if it not already here?
But it seems to me that it is not here. I also did not see -by you- mentioned children of Karl and Zita as adults. They are not easy to find, and it´s a pity.
But I have some other pictures, and maybe we can make a new thread for it.

It´s very interesting that you have been to Madeira to visit the grave of Karl I. I have never been to Madeira, and it must be interesting. Are there many memorials concerning the life of Karl I and his family there? Is the grave much visited. If you have any pictures it would interest me!

I am also interested in the person of Karl, a former teacher of mine has published a very interesting article on his ambitions of peace in the year 1917, but often this is understood wrongly and are interpretated as a separate peace. My teacher made the thesis that, if the empire of Karl had gone on (he always wanted to save as some kind of federation, where the states have more freedeom to decide on their own) we maybe would not have had the third Reich.
In some points I found this thesis a bit going to far, but this topic is much too complex to discuss it here in some sentences , if, it must have an own thread about Karl and his political views.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: José on June 05, 2006, 09:36:04 AM


Sorry, I can’t post photos.
You will have to do with those sites.
And I couldn’t find any photo of Emperor Karl’s grave.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/vitor107/sets/1419659
On 4th pic of 6th row you can see a statue of Sissi, who spend some time in Madeira.
BTW the statue was meanwhile removed to a not so sombre place.

And on 5th, 6th and 7th row you can see the hotel I stayed in. The yellow round building over the sea.

http://www.madeira-web.com/PagesP/churches/monte.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gracinha08/93680757/in/set-1762060/

From Church of Our Lady of Monte (Hill) is the departure of the famous descent to Funchal in the typical wicker basket charriots
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gracinha08/94881487/in/set-1762060/

Yesterday a statue of Emperor Karl was unveiled in the churchyard of Our Lady of Monte, with the presence of TI&RH AD.Rudolf and Monika of Habsburg, and TRH The Duke and Duchess of Bragança.
Wish they had unveiled it last week  :-/[ch61516]
http://www.jornaldamadeira.pt/not2005.php?Seccao=17&id=18567






Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on June 05, 2006, 12:46:08 PM
Thanks for mentioning all the interesting sites. I have to look , when I have more time....It´s also interesting because I study Portuguese!
THANKS! ;)
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Maximilano on June 22, 2006, 01:22:55 PM
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Arch Duke Felix, 3rd son of Emperor Karl I, turned 90 yesterday.
He was born in Schönbrunn 31 May 1916.
In 1952 he got married to Pss. Anna-Eugénie von Arenberg who died in San Angel, Mexico 9 Jun 1997 .

They had 7 children:
 
1) Maria del Pilar , b.Mexico 18 Oct 1953; m 1980 Vollrad-Joachim Georg Günther Rr u.Edler von Poschinger.  They had 5 children.
 
2) Karl Philipp, b.Mexico 18 Oct 1954; m.1st Munich 4 Sep 1994 (div 1996) Martina Donath (b.Vienna 18 Jun 1955); m.2d Pau 12 May 1998 Annie-Claire Christine Lacrambe (b.Pau 15 Feb 1959)  Recuperated his son 1999, of first marriage after Mother lost custody and kidnaped him 1996
 
3) Kinga, b.Schloß Guttenberg 13 Oct 1955; m1985 Wolfgang Hubert Hermann Frhr von Erffa  They have 5 children

4) Raimund, b.Mexico 28 Jan 1958; m.1994 Bettine Götz. They have 3 children.

5) Marie Adelheid (Miriam) b.Mexico 21 Nov 1959; m.Mexico City 1983 Jaime Marcos Pedro Corcuerra Acheson . 4 sons

6) István, b.Mexico 22 Sep 1961; m.Budapest 1993 Paola de Temesváry (b.Budapest 4 Jun 1971) .  3 children
 
7) Viridis, b.Mexico 23 Sep 1961; m.1990 Karl Harold William Dunning-Gribble (b.Paris 29 May 1961) .  4 children

I would like to know more about him.
I understand he lives in Mexico for a long time. AFAIK he worked there for VW.  
Can someone confirm ?
Please post pictures of the couple, their children and grand-children.


Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on June 22, 2006, 03:24:03 PM
Was this a mistake? Did you want to answer this question or post anything???

Would be interested! ;)
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Danjel on June 22, 2006, 03:56:41 PM
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Arch Duke Felix, 3rd son of Emperor Karl I, turned 90 yesterday.
He was born in Schönbrunn 31 May 1916.
In 1952 he got married to Pss. Anna-Eugénie von Arenberg who died in San Angel, Mexico 9 Jun 1997 .




Some pictures...

Archduchess Anna-Eugénie

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/daan73/Arch-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Danjel on June 22, 2006, 04:00:21 PM
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They had 7 children:
 
1) Maria del Pilar , b.Mexico 18 Oct 1953; m 1980 Vollrad-Joachim Georg Günther Rr u.Edler von Poschinger.  They had 5 children.
 


Two of the daughters of Maria del Pilar....Kinga (1981)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/daan73/Kinga.jpg)

and Maria Franziska (1987)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/daan73/MariaFranziska.jpg)
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Danjel on June 22, 2006, 04:08:40 PM
3) Kinga, b.Schloß Guttenberg 13 Oct 1955; m1985 Wolfgang Hubert Hermann Frhr von Erffa  They have 5 children

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/daan73/ArchduchessKinga.jpg)
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on June 22, 2006, 04:09:49 PM
Nice photos!!! Never seen!!! Where do you have them from??? I have to ask, you are the same person with the Bonaparte picture ;)

Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Danjel on June 22, 2006, 04:17:16 PM
6) István, b.Mexico 22 Sep 1961; m.Budapest 1993 Paola de Temesváry (b.Budapest 4 Jun 1971) .  3 children

with his wife in 2005

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/daan73/withhiswife2005.jpg)
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Danjel on June 22, 2006, 04:21:11 PM
Hey, thanks for the compliment.....well I have quite a collection...most I them I have scanned from old magazines....
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on June 23, 2006, 03:35:56 AM
Wonderful :) :) ;)

I have never seen Istvan  and his wife so clearly!
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on June 26, 2006, 04:31:41 PM
At Archduke Felix 90th birthday in Cannes May 31st, 2006:


(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/child.jpg)


From left to right: Archduke Carl Philipp, Archduchess Maria del Pilar, Archduke Ramon, Archduchess

Viridis, Archduke Felix (the father, who turns 90), Archduchess Myriam, Archduke Istvan
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on June 26, 2006, 04:44:13 PM
Archduke Felix on his 90th birthday, May 31st, 2006:


(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/Fel.jpg)



 -The cake seems to be presented by his daughter Maria del Pilhar here-
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on June 26, 2006, 04:52:28 PM
Archduke Felix´ children and their families


1.) Marie Adelheid (Myriam) born Mexico 21 th, 1959, m.Mexico city 1983 Jaime Marcos Pedro Corcuera
     Acheson,  4 sons:


(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/My.jpg)


From left to right: Jaime (husband of Myriam), sons Andreas, Felipe, Archduchess Myriam, sons Pedro and Sebastian.

(The picture is taken at the Vatican City as all the family went to Rome for the Beatification of Kaiser Karl I. (Oct. 3rd, 2004)
 -
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on June 26, 2006, 04:59:04 PM
2.) Viridis, b. Mexico 23th Sep. 1961, m.1990 Karl Harold William Dunning-Gribble (b.Paris 29th May,
     1961), 4 children:


(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/hh.jpg)


From left to right:

Karl (husband), Leopold (son), Archduchess Viridis, Marie Charlotte, Ferdinand and Maximilian.


(picture taken at the Vatican City as all the family members went to Rome for the Beatification of  
  Kaiser Karl I. (Oct. 3th, 2004))
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on June 26, 2006, 05:06:17 PM
3.) Archduke Ramon, b. Mexico, 28th Jan, 1958, m. 1994 Bettina Görtz, 3 children:


(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/h.jpg)


Front row from left to right:

Archduchess Maria Theresa, Archduchess Sophia and Archduke Felix (children)

Back  row:

Archduke Ramon and his wife Archduchess Bettina


(picture taken at the Vatican City as all the family members went to Rome for the Beatification of  
  Kaiser Karl I. (Oct. 3th, 2004))

Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on June 26, 2006, 05:13:11 PM
4. Archduke Carl Philipp and his family


(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/fa-1.jpg)


Archduke Julian, Archduke Carl Philipp, Archduke Louis Damien, Archduchess Annie-Claire


(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/g.jpg)

Archduke Louis Damien, son of Carl Philipp, together with Archduchess Annie Claire.


(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/f.jpg)

Archduke Julian and his father Archduke Carl Philipp
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on June 26, 2006, 05:18:09 PM
All seven children, seven inlaws and 26 grandchildren of Archduke Felix of Austria.
All his descendants met for the first time, all of them were present on this photo:

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/all.jpg)


Picture taken at the Vatican City as all the family went to Rome for the Beatification of Kaiser Karl I.(Oct. 3th, 2004)
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on June 26, 2006, 05:21:43 PM
All these photos could be presented to the Alexander Message board with the very friendly cooperation of a family member of Archduke Felix.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on July 01, 2006, 02:11:58 AM
The family of Archduke Carl Philipp in December, 2005.


(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/IMG_7513.jpg)


Back row:

Archduke Philipp, Archduchess Annie Claire, Archduke Julian

 
Front row:

Archduke Louis Damien, Archduke Felix, and Anya (Dog)

 
Picture taken: December 2005
 

Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Maximilano on July 04, 2006, 07:26:06 PM
Nice Picture!

I see that the family has a Magyar Viszla, very nice and known to be very kind and good hunting dogs. I'm not surprised since Habsburg's have always loved Dogs and especially Viszlas.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on July 05, 2006, 09:44:31 AM
That´s very interesting! I did not know that the Habsburgs are such dog lovers! Are there any further or special famous examples in the history to mention for this??
Yes, all three dogs are very nice indeed, there seem to be two brown onces and one dark (or black ) one in the family! Very beautiful :)
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Sir Ralph of Stradbrooke on March 25, 2007, 04:20:51 PM
1) Any idea why some of the grandchildren of Crown Prince Otto (especially those of Archduke Paul Georg) seem more Hungarian than Austrian?

2) Is there any particular reason so many of the more recent Habsburgs have "Marcus d'Aviano" at the end of their strong of names? I realize Mark of Aviano was declared a saint by Pope John Paul II, and died in Vienna, but many of Blessed Karl I's children and later descendants seem to have this name.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Greenowl on March 25, 2007, 05:28:27 PM
Greetings Sir Ralph!

I also wondered about that! I don't know the answer, but at a guess I would say it is due to (a) the strong Catholic ethos of the family and (b) the links between Marcus d'Aviano and Austria....Marcus d’Aviano was an advisor on religious and political matters to Emperor Leopold I of Austria for nearly two decades as well as papal legate and Apostolic Nuncio to Austria for Pope Innocent XI. He secured the lifting of the siege of Vienna by the Ottoman Turks on 12 September 1683, helped negotiate the liberation of Buda on 2 September 1686, and of Belgrade on 6 September 1688.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Greenowl on March 25, 2007, 05:36:43 PM
oops! I posted without attempting to reply to the first part of your question. To the best of my knowledge, Archduke Georg lives in Budapest. Equally, the Empire was known after 1867 as the dual monarchy of Austria-Hungary, and the Emperor was also King of Hungary....thus I assume they wish to remember those links......
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 26, 2007, 06:58:51 AM
There is a statue of Marcus d'Aviano in front of the Kaisergruft in Vienna where most of the members of the Austrian Imperial Family were laid to rest. I read at the website www.kaisergruft.at (http://www.kaisergruft.at) that Marcus d'Aviano is buried at the Kapuzinerkirche. So I guess there is a strong connection between this man and the Habsburgs.

Besides that, I don't think that the names of Otto's daughters sound "Hungarian". Michaela, Monika, Andrea, Gabriela and Walburga are names that are very frequently used in Germany. But I find it a bit strange, that Otto and his wife Regina chose such "modern" names instead of traditional names which have been used in the family before (I think of Anna, Elisabeth and Maria Theresia for example). Archduke Karl was named after Karl I., his grandfather - that's for sure.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Sir Ralph of Stradbrooke on March 26, 2007, 02:19:24 PM
I didn't say the daughters of Otto had Hungarian-sounding names, but these grandchildren specifically:


Ferdinand Zvonimir Maria Balthus Keith Michal Otto Antal Bahnam Leonhard, (b.Salzburg 21 Jun 1997)

Zsófia Mária Tatjana Monika Erzsébet Katalin (b.Budapest 12 Jan 2001)

Ildiko Maria Walburga (b.Budapest 6 Jun 2002)

Károly-Konstantin Mihály István Maria (b.Budapest 20 Jul 2004)
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 27, 2007, 02:00:42 AM
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't read your post correctly.  :-\
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on March 27, 2007, 02:08:07 AM
There is a statue of Marcus d'Aviano in front of the Kaisergruft in Vienna where most of the members of the Austrian Imperial Family were laid to rest. I read at the website www.kaisergruft.at (http://www.kaisergruft.at) that Marcus d'Aviano is buried at the Kapuzinerkirche. So I guess there is a strong connection between this man and the Habsburgs.

Besides that, I don't think that the names of Otto's daughters sound "Hungarian". Michaela, Monika, Andrea, Gabriela and Walburga are names that are very frequently used in Germany. But I find it a bit strange, that Otto and his wife Regina chose such "modern" names instead of traditional names which have been used in the family before (I think of Anna, Elisabeth and Maria Theresia for example). Archduke Karl was named after Karl I., his grandfather - that's for sure.

I once thought the same before. The names of Ottos children - apart from Karl- are almost all names, which are not common among the Habsburgs family, especially not in earlier times. But I seem to remember that I once read about the backgounds of the names, at least about Gabriela. But at the moment I cannot remember the site, where it was. Is there maybe any connection to earlier Habsburg names amoung second or third names of Ottos son´s and daughters? I should take a look at genealogies, would be interesting. ;)
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 27, 2007, 10:32:28 AM
Andrea Maria

Monika Maria Roberta Antonia Raphaela

Michaela Maria Madeleine Kiliana Elisabeth

Gabriela Maria Charlotte Felicitas Elisabeth Antonia

Walburga Maria Franziska Helene Elisabeth

Karl Thomas Robert Maria Franziskus Georg Bahnam

Paul Georg Maria Joseph Dominikus

Three of the daughters were given the name "Elisabeth" - maybe in memory of Empress Elisabeth or Princess Elisabeth zu Sachsen-Meiningen, Regina's only sister, who died aged 3 months.

Georg was the name of Regina's father.

And there is the name "Robert" / "Roberta" which could be chosen in memory of Robert Duke of Bourbon-Parma, Empress Zita's father. Gabriela and Monika were called "Antonia", too, which makes me think of Antonia Duchess of Parma, Zita's mother.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Sir Ralph of Stradbrooke on March 28, 2007, 11:43:16 PM
What is the origin of "Bahnam"?
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on April 04, 2007, 12:39:15 PM
Andrea Maria

Monika Maria Roberta Antonia Raphaela

Michaela Maria Madeleine Kiliana Elisabeth

Gabriela Maria Charlotte Felicitas Elisabeth Antonia

Walburga Maria Franziska Helene Elisabeth

Karl Thomas Robert Maria Franziskus Georg Bahnam

Paul Georg Maria Joseph Dominikus

Three of the daughters were given the name "Elisabeth" - maybe in memory of Empress Elisabeth or Princess Elisabeth zu Sachsen-Meiningen, Regina's only sister, who died aged 3 months.

Georg was the name of Regina's father.

And there is the name "Robert" / "Roberta" which could be chosen in memory of Robert Duke of Bourbon-Parma, Empress Zita's father. Gabriela and Monika were called "Antonia", too, which makes me think of Antonia Duchess of Parma, Zita's mother.


Thanks for having made that research, MarieCharlotte. It´s very interesting to lead back the names to the ansistors. But there are still some names, where I don´t see the connection to the ansistors, but it can also be that I simply don´t have the knowledge of all of them. Names like Kiliana, Madeleine, Raphaela, Dominikus, Bahnam (never heard the last one!) must have other backgrounds, or they are even not in memory of any ansistor. By the way, my second and third name is not at all one of my ansistors, but in many families, especially in earlier times this was/is a custom, I think. Have you any idea, where the other names come from? Thanks for listing the names :) ;)
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 04, 2007, 04:27:20 PM

Thanks for having made that research, MarieCharlotte. It´s very interesting to lead back the names to the ansistors. But there are still some names, where I don´t see the connection to the ansistors, but it can also be that I simply don´t have the knowledge of all of them. Names like Kiliana, Madeleine, Raphaela, Dominikus, Bahnam (never heard the last one!) must have other backgrounds, or they are even not in memory of any ansistor. By the way, my second and third name is not at all one of my ansistors, but in many families, especially in earlier times this was/is a custom, I think. Have you any idea, where the other names come from? Thanks for listing the names :) ;)

You're welcome.  ;)

While reading all these names again, I thought of Miguel of Braganza's daughters. Except Maria Anna (later Luxemburg), the sisters were all given the names Micaela Rafaela Gabriela. Otto's maternal grandmother was Miguel's daughter Maria Antonia and his his great-grandfather Archduke Carl Ludwig was married to Miguel's daughter Marie Therese. Maybe there is a connection between the names of Otto's daughters and the Braganza sisters.



Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Lucien on April 04, 2007, 11:38:35 PM
I didn't say the daughters of Otto had Hungarian-sounding names, but these grandchildren specifically:


Ferdinand Zvonimir Maria Balthus Keith Michal Otto Antal Bahnam Leonhard, (b.Salzburg 21 Jun 1997)

Zsófia Mária Tatjana Monika Erzsébet Katalin (b.Budapest 12 Jan 2001)

Ildiko Maria Walburga (b.Budapest 6 Jun 2002)

Károly-Konstantin Mihály István Maria (b.Budapest 20 Jul 2004)

Zvonimir is a Croatian name,IIRC,he was baptised in Zagreb.I'm at loss on Bahnam,no clue to whom/were that refers to.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on April 05, 2007, 02:59:13 AM

Thanks for having made that research, MarieCharlotte. It´s very interesting to lead back the names to the ansistors. But there are still some names, where I don´t see the connection to the ansistors, but it can also be that I simply don´t have the knowledge of all of them. Names like Kiliana, Madeleine, Raphaela, Dominikus, Bahnam (never heard the last one!) must have other backgrounds, or they are even not in memory of any ansistor. By the way, my second and third name is not at all one of my ansistors, but in many families, especially in earlier times this was/is a custom, I think. Have you any idea, where the other names come from? Thanks for listing the names :) ;)

You're welcome.  ;)

While reading all these names again, I thought of Miguel of Braganza's daughters. Except Maria Anna (later Luxemburg), the sisters were all given the names Micaela Rafaela Gabriela. Otto's maternal grandmother was Miguel's daughter Maria Antonia and his his great-grandfather Archduke Carl Ludwig was married to Miguel's daughter Marie Therese. Maybe there is a connection between the names of Otto's daughters and the Braganza sisters.






Again: I didn´t think so far, but it´s really interesting. Maybe there is really a connection of the names of Otto´s daughter to the ones you named. Because in general they are don´t sound very typical for Habsburg names (or I am wrong? At least they weren´t used very often). It´s a interesting theory that they come from the Braganza family! Have you any idea about the name Bahnam? I haven´t heard it so far. Yes, I have, but I only know this name in the arabic world as a girl´s name (sic!), but I don´t think that there is any connection, it has certainly another background! ::)
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Greenowl on April 06, 2007, 06:03:15 PM
I too have now become curious about the name "Bahnam".

I found the following reference to the name in Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

"Bahnam Zaya Bulos (b. 1944) was Minister of Transport in the cabinet appointed by the Interim Iraq Governing Council in September 2003. A member of Iraq's Assyrian Christian minority, Bulos is originally from Baghdad, where he worked as a civil engineer".

Thus it appears the name is male, from Iraq but christian.... perhaps Archduke Otto had some association with Iraq's Assyrian Christian minority?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on April 08, 2007, 02:49:34 AM
It´s really strange, I sometimes saw it spelled without "h" in the middle and then it was indeed a girl´s name. I don´t want to make myself ridiculous here, but one of the granddaughters of Saddam Hussein has that name as well! ::)- But as I said without "h" in the middle. But yes, the translation in our letters can be different of course, because of the different writing system in the arabic world.
I think, we come too much off topic here, I guess, but it´s quite strange to find that name as a Habsburg name. :-X
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Greenowl on April 08, 2007, 02:29:58 PM
Yes, I agree we are beginning to move off the topic. However, please permit me one final remark/question: Am I correct in assuming that these extraordinarily LONG names (i.e. I think Archduke Otto has about 16 names) first came into fashion with Archduke Karl and Archduchess Zita?? It strikes me that the previous generations of Habsburgs had, at most, four names...thus could the penchant for such a salvo of names have been a tradition in Zita's family?
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 08, 2007, 03:26:03 PM
A great part of the Emperor's closest family members had about four or five names. But there were exceptions, of course. Just to give some examples: Maria Theresia's first daughter Maria Elisabeth had eight names (Maria Elisabeth Amalia Antonia Josepha Gabriela Johanna Agatha), two daughters of Franz I. had seven names (Marie Louise Leopoldine Franziska Theresia Josepha Lucia and Marie Caroline Leopoldine Franziska Theresia Josepha Medarde) and also Archduke Karl Ludwig's children had more names (Margarethe Sophie Maria Annunziata Theresia Caroline Louise Josepha Johanna).

Instead, the members of the Italian branch of the family loved really long names. Especially Karl Salvator and Leopold Salvator gave their children (too?) many names. Leopold's eldest daughter was Maria de los Dolores Beatrix Carolina Blanca Leopoldina Margaretha Anna Josepha Pia Raphaela Michaela Sixta Stanislava Hieronyma Gregoria Georgia Cäcilia Carmino Barbara (= 20 names !!!).  :o
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Greenowl on April 08, 2007, 03:28:55 PM
WOW! Thanks for that information! So Karl and Zita were NOT the instigators of a new trend in Habsburg names!
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 08, 2007, 03:33:25 PM
No, they weren't. But if you keep in mind that especially the Tuscany branch of the Habsburgs loved extremely long names and that Zita was a Princess of Bourbon-Parma, it could be a "trend" of the Italian royalty.  ;)
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on April 09, 2007, 04:03:07 AM
Very interesting! How did you find these many names? In my sources it seems there are never all the names written, but only some of them, the first three or four ones. Did you find them in your books or in genealogies or both? It was really new to me that especially the branch of "italian" Habsburgs had sooo many names (the example with 20 I had never heard of before..) ;)
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 09, 2007, 05:28:39 AM
I absolutely adore Paul Theroff's Online Gotha. Here you can find all those names.

I only have one single book in which you can find a list of all names: Das Haus Habsburg by Alois Jahn.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on April 09, 2007, 09:11:00 AM
Thanks ;)

...because in the most books there are really only some of the names mentioned, but not all (especially when there are more than three or four) so perhaps the online genealogy, which you said, might be good. I will have a look.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Eurohistory on June 07, 2007, 02:17:26 PM
Archduke Maximilian and Archduchess Maya of Austria welcomed to their home their second son, Constantin, on June 4, 2007. The birth took place in Madrid. Both baby and mother are in excellent health!


Baby Archduke Constantin joins an older brother, Nikolaus, born in 2005.

Arturo Beéche
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Post by: britt.25 on June 07, 2007, 04:17:42 PM
Thanks very much for that nice announcement!
Archduke Maximilian (b. 1961) is son of Archduke Ferdinand (1918-2004) and Helene zu Toerring-Jettenbach (b. 1937). Archduke Ferdinand himself was son of Archduke Maximilian, brother of the late emperor Karl I. Archduke Maximilian is therefore Karl I´s grandnephew. He has two sisters: Archduchess Elisabeth, who is already dead and Archduchess Sophie married to Prince Mariano of Windisch-Grätz (three children). Interesting! I hope there will soon be some pictures of the newborn Archduke!

I have read that Maya is originally from Iraq, what an interesting mixture. Is this true?
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Eurohistory on June 07, 2007, 05:04:43 PM
Sophie's husband's name is Hugo, although Mariano figures as one of his baptismal names, it is not a name has has ever used.

I have photos of the newborn sent to me by the father earlier today, but it is my policy to keep those photos private, as we are talking about children and European laws are quite strict on the matter. If Archduke Maximilian allows  me to, we will publish images in the European Royal History Journal.

Maya is a delightful lady.  I was at their house in Madrid, at a birthday party, a little over two weeks ago.  The gender and names of the baby were shared with me then, but I intentionally kept them private until the birth took place.

Arturo Beéche
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Post by: Duke of New Jersey on June 07, 2007, 07:20:19 PM
You know everybody Mr. Beeche ;D

How nice for the Hapsburgs!

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Eurohistory on June 07, 2007, 08:13:04 PM
I would not say so, although I know a significant number of royals and cooperate with them on myriad projects.  I suppose that I am lucky.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on June 08, 2007, 03:26:24 AM
Thanks for the info and the corrections. I had the name from other genealogies and there he was called Marian..strange...Hugo must be allright.

I always tried to make contacts to people like the Habsburgs, but for me it´s very difficult. I always had only very little success or not any at all, and the contact did not last long, if it existed...I always admire people having more contacts like that!

But is it true that Maya is from Iraq?  And do there exist any pictures from the elder son, Nikolaus, who must be two years by now? Any source to mention? Unfortuntately I never saw the couple and the child.... :-[
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Eurohistory on June 08, 2007, 08:48:49 AM
Maya is indeed from Irak and as I understand it somehow related to the former ruling dynasty there.

I know inside The European Royal History Journal we had at least one image sent to me by Archduke Maximilian of his wedding in 2005. I have not included in the magazine photos of him and his wife and child.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on June 08, 2007, 09:37:05 AM
Interesting about the backgound of Maya! But a pity that pictures of her and her child/children are so hard to find. Is there maybe any source, where it could be to find? Maybe in your journal somewhere in future???
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Eurohistory on June 08, 2007, 10:34:35 AM
People who subscribe to my magazine find these little treasures, and many, many others, throughout the yearr.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: pentetorri on June 25, 2007, 11:54:27 AM
Interesting about the backgound of Maya! But a pity that pictures of her and her child/children are so hard to find. Is there maybe any source, where it could be to find? Maybe in your journal somewhere in future???

Britt,

Actually pictures of the wedding were widely published in many magazines in Spain, France and Italy. From the top of my head, I remember a complete photographic service made of the wedding in 2005 published in the Spanish Magazine HOLA. Give me a chance and I will scan it for you. No need for subscription there.

By a friend of Point de Vue I know pictures of Nikolaus have been published in that magazine, and pictures of the newborn Constantine  and the happy parents have been sent in block to various society magazines in Europe. No big secret there. I'll try  to get a copy, post it and share it for the enjoyment of all interested. Anyways, they will be published by the usual society magazines in Europe shortly.

Also, if you make the rounds of some Royal forums you will find pictures of this nice family and their first born. They  have a very active social life.

Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on July 02, 2007, 09:53:03 AM
Do you have any links, who could help? I would be thankful. Usually I do researchs by myself, but at the moment I have problems to stay a longer time in the net, because of problems with my new internet provider. Thanks for any link, where the family is to see!
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Maximilano on July 24, 2007, 07:19:19 PM
1) Any idea why some of the grandchildren of Crown Prince Otto (especially those of Archduke Paul Georg) seem more Hungarian than Austrian?

2) Is there any particular reason so many of the more recent Habsburgs have "Marcus d'Aviano" at the end of their strong of names? I realize Mark of Aviano was declared a saint by Pope John Paul II, and died in Vienna, but many of Blessed Karl I's children and later descendants seem to have this name.
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As far as I know:

Archduke Georg and Eilika live in Budapest. He is an ambassador to that country for different missions. He loves Budapest and plans to live there all his life there. He decided to name his children with Hungarian names, as to show his love to the country, certitude and permanence. He is one of the very few archdukes (Prince or Hungary to be correct)  that fluently speak the language.

With respect to Marcus D'aviano there are different reasons, some historical, some political and all to do with faith.

Marcus D'aviano was a Capusin monk (1631 - 1699) lived in time of Kaiser Leopold and dedicated his life in protecting the members of the Habsburg Family. He promised to the Kaiser that when God would call him he would continue protecting all descendants of the family from heaven. He was politically a Pan- European. Fought with the Kaiser for a united Europe partially under the banner of the Catholic Church. He was present and had a decisive contribution to the battle of Vienna against the Turks in 1683. Later he got the assignment from the Kaiser to take care of the burial site of the family, the Kaisergruft. The burial place of most Habsburg Emperors and many archdukes is still guarded today by the Capusin Monks. At the Kaputzinergruft there are 138 Hapsburgs buried from 1611 until 1989 when Kaiserin Zita, the last Empress was brought to rest.

Many descendants of the family have the Marcus D'aviano name with the belief that he is having a watchful eye on thei descendants, as he promised centuries ago, but also as to asertain his Christian & Pan-European beliefs. Many more Archdukes do have the name Marcus D'aviano in their name than it is commonly known. This and other names are written in the baptism certificate where space for names is not an issue and where the names are written by hand. In the civil records of most courtiers there is a limited amount of space and certainly not enough for 8 to 12 different names including the Habsburg-Lothringen last name. So you will find that names in Genealogy books do not necessarily coincide between the civil and baptism certificate. This comment is valid for most Catholic Royal families in Europe.

If anybody has the opportunity to visit Vienna the Kaisergruft is an absolute must!  And now a “Hot tip” After visiting the burial site, refer to the monk at the entrance and ask him that you would like to pay respect to Marcus D’aviano and would like to see his private chapel. He is buried there in a very small chapel away from the Habsburgs but in the same building, very cozy, and … no tourists!. If it is not rush hour he will do it gladly. 
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on July 25, 2007, 03:45:53 AM
Thank you a lot for those many interesting, detailled and enlightening informations! I did not know much about Marcus d' Aviano of the time of Leopold I. before, and his great influence on the Habsburg family before. It was very new to me.
I also did not know that so many Archdukes do carry that name of the monk.
Concerning the Kapuzinergruft, I also did not know about that connection, but I have visited it last year in summer, and it was very interesting, but strange to stand next to so many buried people. It's a pity that I did not know about the tomb of Marcus d' Aviano, so I did not see it. Especially the fact to there are not too many tourists, is good as well. Next time I go to Vienna again, I will try to make a visit to it. Wonderful info! ;)
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Rani on December 15, 2007, 06:28:42 PM
Archduke Carl Ludwig of Austria, fifth child of Emperor Karl and Empress Zita of Austria, died at Brussels (Belgium) on December 11. He was born on 10 March 1918. In 1950 he married Princess Yolande de Ligne. He is survived by his wife, four children and 20 grandchildren. The funeral will take place at the Kapuzinergruft in Vienna, Austria, on 12 January 2008.

http://www.kurier.at/nachrichten/114023.php

http://wien.orf.at/stories/242892/

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/palethingirl/191820Karl20Ludwig-04.jpg)
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Post by: Janet_W. on December 15, 2007, 06:48:15 PM
Thank you very much for posting this!
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Post by: britt.25 on December 16, 2007, 02:44:05 AM
Yes, I knew about it, and also that he had been very ill before.
I think it is better like this that he has not to suffer anymore. Even when he died now, he had a very long life and so many children and grandchildren.
I'll pray for him and his relatives.
Thank you for keeping him in memory by posting it.
It looks like the celebrations will mostly be in Vienna, because he will be buried there (which is good, I think, as it keeps a long tradition!), but I suppose also in Brussels as he had a lot family connection there from the part of his wife and daughter-in-law etc. If anybody gets further information about the funeral celebrations, please be so kind to put it here.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on December 16, 2007, 02:46:30 AM
PS This picture is very nice. He has a lot Otto von Habsburg's eyes there. If I find some more, I'll post them to keep him in memory!
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Learning on December 16, 2007, 07:44:15 AM
I note that both obituaries referred to him as "Carl Ludwig Habsburg-Lothringen" using no title or eve the "von." Austria is still that strict on such things?
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on December 17, 2007, 02:33:42 AM
It seems so. I know a young lady around my age (only via letters), who descends from the Habsburg -Teschen line, and when I titled her with "von Habsburg", she told me that the "von" does not exist anymore....However in many other cases I'm quite sure that many others still use the title, but I can also be wrong, but it seems the very offcial would be to leave the title out.
Concering the obituaries of Archduke Carl Ludwig it seems to be mixed, I also found some (or at least one), where the title "von" is definitely used. I'm not sure, if this is correct, but looking at all articles it seems that Austria stronger with this, whereas article from Germany for example use the "von". On the net I found an article of the German magazine "Bunte", where it is used.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on December 17, 2007, 01:40:14 PM
Carl Ludwig Maria Franz Joseph Michael Gabriel Antonius Robert Stephan Pius Gregor Ignatius Marcus d'Aviano

Baden near Vienna, 10 March 1918 - Brussels 11 December 2007
married Beloeil 17 January 1950 Yolande Princess de Ligne (born Madrid, 6 May 1923)


Carl Ludwig's descendants:

Rudolf (born 17 November 1950)
married 1976 Marie Hélčne Baronne de Villenfagne de Vogelsanck (born 24 April 1954)

- Carl Christian (born 1977)
- Priscilla Marie (born 1979)
- Johannes (born 1981)
- Thomas (born 1983)
- Marie-des-Neiges (born 1986)
- Franz-Ludwig (born 1988)
- Michael (born 1990)
- Joseph (born 1991)
 

Alexandra (born 10 July 1952)
married 1984 Hector Riesle (born 16 February 1943)
 
- Felipe (born 1986)
- Maria Sofia (born 1987)
- Constanza Maria (born 1989)
 

Carl Christian (born 26 August 1954)
married 1982 Marie Astrid Princess of Luxemburg (born 17 February 1954)
 
- Marie Christine (born 1983)
- Imre (born 1985)
- Christoph (born 1988)
- Alexander (born 1990)
- Gabriella (born 1994)
 

Maria Constanza (born 19 October 1957)
married 1994 Franz Josef Fürst von Auersperg-Trautson (born 11 December 1954)

- Anna Maria (born 1997)
- Alexandra Maria (1998 - 1998)
- Ladislaya Maria (born 1999)
- Eleonora Maria (born 2002)
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Marlene on December 17, 2007, 03:17:01 PM
only officially ...on legal documents ... not socially.   Habsburg-Lothringen is the surname.   in Germany, von is still used ... and the title is a surname 

I note that both obituaries referred to him as "Carl Ludwig Habsburg-Lothringen" using no title or eve the "von." Austria is still that strict on such things?
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on December 18, 2007, 01:36:35 AM
Thank you, Marlene, for clarifying. It is like I supposed it, as I saw the "von" different times in the German articles, but not in the ones of Austria.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Maximilano on December 21, 2007, 02:48:45 PM
Austria is a Peculiar country. On a particular documental made by the ORF (Austrian Radio and TV) you will always see the Ring Strasse, the opera house, museums and the glory of austrian architecture. The documental will never mention that those wonderful architectural buildings were built either during the Habsburg Monarchy or commanded by a particular Habsburg.

When the Empire crumbled after WW I, all nobility titles were abolished and the "von" on the family name was prohibited by the socialist government of Karl Renner. This prohibition is still in place today.

Austria is probably one of the countries in Europe that really loves Titles, consequently after 1918 the subsequent socialist governments have invented many titles and almost every ordinary Austrian has some sort of a title. This is curious considering that Nobility titles are banned. The "von" although not a title does refer to someone that has a nobility title.

Foreign Nobles from other parts of the world can use their nobility titles in Austria. They can also use their "von" before their last name. Only nationals from the Austro Hungarian monarchy cannot.

Otto uses his “von” when in Europe, not in Austria.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on December 25, 2007, 09:13:04 AM
Dear members,

Perhaps anybody can help me along with the question why Archduke Carl Ludwig will be set to peace at the Kapuzinergruft in Vienna.
Somewhere I got the information that the Kapuzinergruft is already full and there is just place of Kaiser Karl's coffin, which is currently in Madeira, but could once be transferred to Vienna.
Why is Archduke Carl Ludwig as 4th son of going to occupy such a very honorable place? Especially considering the fact that the older brother Robert, who is the 2nd son of Karl I., was indeed not set to peace at the Kapuzinergruft in Vienna. It is also strange to me that Archduchess Anna Eugenie, wife of Karl's third son Archduke Felix, as well as Archduchess Xenia, wife of archduke Rudolf (fifth son of Karl I), are not buried there as well. Which reason might there be for this discontinuity?
Does anybody have an idea or concrete information where the other surviving sons of the late emperor Karl, like Otto and Felix, and their spouses children well be set to peace?

Any answer would be appreciated!
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Eurohistory on January 08, 2008, 08:47:47 AM
Archduke Carl Ludwig was the only child of Emperor Karl and Empress Zita to have been born "in the purple," i.e. during his father's reign.

Archduke Felix was born six months or so before his father became Emperor, while Archduke Rudolf was born when the family was living at Prangins, Switzerland.

This is the argument being used for the funeral happening in Vienna and for the Archduke resting in the Kapuzinergruft.

I am living for Vienna in a few hours to attend the funeral.

Arturo Beéche
 
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on January 09, 2008, 02:02:19 AM
Thank you for your answer. I think until now there was nobody else, who had an explanation for that phenomen that Archduke Carl Ludwig is/was the only son of the emperor, who is buried (or will be buried) in Vienna in the Kaisergruft. There are now only some days left.
But yes, that sounds logical. Is the birth under the reign of Karl I. the offcial reason or is this speculated? You will know it. It seems, as it sounds, this is the really the official arguement. I would not have expected it, but to be honest, I also did not think about such a reason.

You're lucky that you have the possibility to attend the funeral. Even some family members don't have the possibility, as I know.
Any infos, how the funeral proceeds would be appreciated. Maybe you can give some infos here, after you took part in the event.

That would be nice. Thank you, Eurohistory!
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Eurohistory on January 09, 2008, 09:24:46 AM
Issue LXI – February 2008 of The European Royal History Journal will have not only an obituary of the Archduke Carl Ludwig, but also a photo section on his life and funeral. The same is to be done for dom Pedro Gastăo d'Orléans-Bragança.

Arturo Beéche
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Post by: britt.25 on January 09, 2008, 03:07:08 PM
Yes, I still have in mind to once make an abonnement of your magazine....! ::)
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Lucien on January 14, 2008, 10:10:04 AM
Requiem for HI&RH Archduke Karl Ludwig,Vienna last saturday:
http://www.rexfeatures.co.uk/live/2008/01/12/requiem_service_for_archduke_karl_ludwig,_vienna,_austria

Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Lucien on January 14, 2008, 03:12:28 PM
Videos:
http://www.gloria.tv/?video=fnzbwb0mbghjoxyapoms

http://tv.orf.at/ondemand/

click on "Wien heute" then choose date 12.01.2008.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: dmitri on January 14, 2008, 07:44:15 PM
Anybody know where he was buried?
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Lucien on January 15, 2008, 12:57:14 AM
Anybody know where he was buried?

It's in both video's,the Kapuzinergruft,as is custom for members of the House.He is interred next to his mother,the Empress Zita.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: dmitri on January 15, 2008, 07:10:57 AM
Really? There wasn't much space near her coffin. Are you sure?
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on January 16, 2008, 09:59:45 AM
Thank you for the video, Lucien. I already had seen a report on it, but this was very impressing, too. Thank you. I'm not really sure, if he really sleeps next to his mother, but it was said in the film, and yes, I think so. As far as I remember the place, there are already many sarcophags from earlier times, but there will still be space for the Archduke, so I suppose.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Lucien on January 17, 2008, 02:36:36 PM
The clerical procession into the St.Stephans Dom:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iPEi_77j8Q&feature=related

Very moving,the Imperial Hymne:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngLx-hHK1nM&NR=1

Imperial Regimental Banners:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnvoalC9aSY&feature=related

Procession into the Kapuzinergruft,thousands thronged the streets.Imperial Austria is still very much alive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHdY9nDSbQo&NR=1

Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on January 18, 2008, 04:52:07 AM
Those videos are wonderful, very impressing, I left a comment, thank you, Lucien for being so nice to post the links here.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: dmitri on January 18, 2008, 06:39:59 AM
Vienna is a very large city. To have a few thousand in the streets is not many compared to the large number who live there.

Population statistics show in late 2007 Vienna having a population of 1.674.595
Source : STATISTIK AUSTRIA, Statistik des Bevölkerungsstandes. Erstellt am: 12.11.2007.

This funeral of a member of the defunct former imperial house was a rare and colourful evening event and people turned out due to curiosity. There is no sentiment in Austria for a return to the days of the monarchy. It is now nearly 90 years since the monarchy was abolished. Tourists  and some locals like the trappings of the past and there is a certain nostalgia always in Austria from clothing to food and beyond. Austrians are a people attached to certain traditions. There is no active movement though, with support from all classes of the people, for any form of restoration. The current republic has been in existence since 1955. It works well with minimal fuss. There is no mass movement to abolish it. This funeral was a reminder of pre November 1918 imperial history.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Ilias_of_John on January 18, 2008, 07:11:58 AM
Dmitri why do you have to be such a wowser?
A man from a very special background passed away and his country men honoured him!
God rest hs soul!
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: dmitri on January 18, 2008, 07:24:24 AM
I truly wish that he rests in peace as well. It is perhaps a touch melodramatic to read too much else into his passing. A very small minority of his countrymen honoured him.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: aor on January 18, 2008, 08:50:36 AM
May he rest in peace.

Lucien, thank you for posting these video's.
Does anyone have the words to the Kaiser's Hymne and by whom and when it was composed?

thanks.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Greenowl on January 18, 2008, 11:23:02 AM
The Kaiser Hymne ( Gott erhalte Unsern Kaiser) was composed by Joseph Haydn (1732-1809) and the music is identical to that of the present National Anthem of the Federal Republic of Germany. The words of the anthem varied from Kaiser to Kaiser (i.e. they were changed slightly when a a new emperor ascended the throne). The first version was for Kaiser Franz I and the words were:

Gott erhalte Franz, den Kaiser,
Unsern guten Kaiser Franz!
Lange lebe Franz, der Kaiser,
In des Glückes hellstem Glanz!

There were different versions for Kaiser Ferdinand, Kaiser Franz Joseph and Kaiser Karl. The final version was for Archduke Otto, which I have pasted in below.

Gott erhalte, Gott beschütze
Unsern Kaiser, unser Land!
Mächtig durch des Glaubens Stütze
Führt er uns mit weiser Hand!
Laßt uns seiner Väter Krone
Schirmen wider jeden Feind:
Innig bleibt mit Habsburgs Throne
Österreichs Geschick vereint.

    In Verbannung, fern den Landen
    Weilst Du, Hoffnung Österreichs.
    Otto, treu in festen Banden
    Steh’n zu Dir wir felsengleich.
    Dir, mein Kaiser, sei beschieden
    Alter Ruhm und neues Glück!
    Bring den Völkern endlich Frieden,
    Kehr zur Heimat bald zurück
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: aor on January 18, 2008, 12:15:54 PM
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

I knew the Fed. Rep. of Germany uses the same music, but I did not think the congregation in Vienna was singing "Deutchland, Deutchland, ueber alles............"  ;)
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Greenowl on January 18, 2008, 12:39:44 PM
Yes, the words of the German National anthem (Das Deutschlandlied), are quite different. They were written by August Heinrich Hoffmann von Fallersleben in 1841 and have served as the German National Anthem since 11/08/1922. There are actually three verses, but it is the third verse that is the National anthem today (since 1952). In previous eras the first verse was more popular. It is a good example of "recycling" ...the old Austrian Imperial anthem being changed into the German anthem. The third verse is as follows:

Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit
für das deutsche Vaterland!
Danach lasst uns alle streben
brüderlich mit Herz und Hand!
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit
sind des Glückes Unterpfand;
 Blüh im Glanze dieses Glückes,
 blühe, deutsches Vaterland.
   

Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Greenowl on January 18, 2008, 03:38:15 PM
The current republic has been in existence since 1955. It works well with minimal fuss.

You have obviously not been following the local elections in Graz. In my estimation the FPO "spitzen" candidate, one Susanne Winter, has caused a great deal of fuss, as others such as Haider and the late Dr. Kurt Waldheim have done in the past. I don't consider the political situation in Austria today to be very exemplary.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Learning on January 19, 2008, 07:51:50 AM
 From the video it is hard for me to make out the words! The caption says that they sung "Tantun Ergo" to the Imperial tune. But that is a Benediction hymn, why would they sing that at a funeral Mass? Or did they sing the words of the Imperial hymn?
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Lucien on January 19, 2008, 01:41:22 PM
From the video it is hard for me to make out the words! The caption says that they sung "Tantun Ergo" to the Imperial tune. But that is a Benediction hymn, why would they sing that at a funeral Mass? Or did they sing the words of the Imperial hymn?

The Imperial Hymne,you could see HI & RH Archduchess Regina rise as first at the start of the Hymne.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: TWS on January 21, 2008, 10:59:37 AM
The Imperial Hymne,you could see HI & RH Archduchess Regina rise as first at the start of the Hymne.

No, thats wrong.

It´s the most holy text "Tantum ergo" which the music of the Kaiserhymne.
You can find the complete program here:
http://www.bunte.de/adel/carl-ludwig-von-habsburg_did_1410.html
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on January 21, 2008, 01:23:01 PM
Thank you very much for the link, the content is very interesting!
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Learning on January 21, 2008, 02:55:00 PM
I find it strange that "Tantum Ergo" was sung at a Funeral Mass. Was this just a way to be able to sing the Imperial Hymn else it would not be permitted? (Although I seem to recall that it was sung at Empress Zita's funeral.) Did Carl have a devotion to the Blessed Sacrament so that this hymn would be requested? I find it odd, although it probably isn't.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: TWS on January 21, 2008, 11:15:01 PM
I find it strange that "Tantum Ergo" was sung at a Funeral Mass.

Me too...
The Kaiserhymne isn´t forbidden, everytime on 18th August (birthday of Emperor Franz Joseph) it is sung in Bad Ischl.

I think Archduke Carl Ludwig wanted this, but I don´t know for sure.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on January 28, 2008, 05:01:39 AM
The pictures are WONDERFUL. THANK YOU A LOT!!!!
I only saw wedding pictures of Yolande and Carl Ludwig very occasionally, but these are fascianting!! I wonder, how she comes along now without husband, it must be hard time, but she surely gets a lot of help from her relatives.  They must have been married a very long time. I was also always interested in Yolande, as she is a Bonaparte descendant (Murat- line).
Concerning the first picture...can anybody indentify the other people? I least I seem to recognize Otto and Felix of Habsburg, Robert (?), the wedding couple as well as Prince Antoine de Ligne. The others? Are there anywhere the two other siblings of Yolande or only the ones of Carl Ludwig?
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Lucien on January 29, 2008, 03:20:11 AM
I find it strange that "Tantum Ergo" was sung at a Funeral Mass.

Me too...
The Kaiserhymne isn´t forbidden, everytime on 18th August (birthday of Emperor Franz Joseph) it is sung in Bad Ischl.

I think Archduke Carl Ludwig wanted this, but I don´t know for sure.

In the link you can read that the Tantum Ergo was sung AFTER the Hymne.It was a personal wish of the deceased.

On january 18th there was a memorial service for Archduke Carl Ludwig at the Abbaye de Cambre,Belgium.

Courtesy Mardam's incredible site:
http://www.royaltyguide.nl/special/2008-01-18%20Karl%20Ludwig.htm

 
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: TWS on January 29, 2008, 11:16:45 AM
@Lucien:

No, you haven´t translated the text correctly:

"Tantum Ergo (NACH der Volkshymne)" does NOT mean temporarily after it but that it has to be sung to the sound of the Volkshmyne!

If you listen carefully to the video you can here the words of the Tantum Ergo.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on January 29, 2008, 12:41:15 PM
Lucien, thank you for giving a link to the wonderful site of MARDAM. It always becomes better, and the pictures of the event in Brussels are fascinating. But they all have become a bit old the archdukes...Rudolf, son of Carl Ludwig was not to recognize for me at once, especially because of the beard. I did not see any actual pics of them before, so good link!


TWS, thanks for these corrections. I'm not so aware with these things.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Lucien on January 29, 2008, 03:59:36 PM
@Lucien:

No, you haven´t translated the text correctly:

"Tantum Ergo (NACH der Volkshymne)" does NOT mean temporarily after it but that it has to be sung to the sound of the Volkshmyne!

If you listen carefully to the video you can here the words of the Tantum Ergo.

Oh yes ofcourse you are right,how clumsy of me.Had another mistake too,said in a previous post that when the Hymne was set in,the Archduchess Regina was standing up first,it wasn't the Archduchess as she didn't attend due to her frail health,but it was the Archduchess Marghareta Habsburg - d' Este next to dear Archduke Otto.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Maximilano on January 29, 2008, 08:35:21 PM
After asking quite some questions right and left I got the answer referring to the burial of Archduke Carl Ludwig in the Kapuziner Gruft in Vienna.

Kaiser Karl, as emperor of Austria in 1917 financed the widening of the burial site so that all his 8 children wife and himself could fit in the Kapuziner Gruft. The first of the children to die was Archduchess Adelheit (1971) who loved Austria but certainly not the Kapuziner Gruft. She expresly refused to be buried there. Archduke Robert was the same. He really did not like the burial site full with all those tourists so he requested to be sent to rest in Peace in Muri Switzerland where the second largest burial sites of the Habsburgs is found. This is in a convent and is not open to the public. Archduchess Xenia and Anne Eugenie are also there, together with Xenia’s son Johannes. Eventually Archduke Felix and Archduke Rudolf will be set to rest in Muri together with their defunct wifes.

Archduke Carl Ludwig had a special attachment to the Kapuziner Gruft and was his express wish to be there.

Archduke Otto will be sent to the Kapuziner Gruft together with Archduchess Regina.

Muri's burial site is also quite full and will not accommodate all 33 grand children of Kaiser Karl and Kaiserin Zita. They will have to rest in peace somewhere else.


Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: TWS on January 29, 2008, 10:55:07 PM
Archduke Otto will be sent to the Kapuziner Gruft together with Archduchess Regina.

I thinks that´s pure speculation at this time (which we shouldn´t do in respect for Archduke Otto), or do you have any proof for this?
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Learning on January 30, 2008, 09:39:28 AM
Singing Tantum Ergo at a Funeral Mass is odd, but if Carl requested it, that explains why it was sung. The Imperial Hymn was sung outside the crypt just before the coffin was carried in - at least I think it was if heard correctly on the Youtube video I watched. The Imperial Hymn is known as the Volkshymne in German?
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Maximilano on January 30, 2008, 01:55:24 PM
Archduke Otto will be sent to the Kapuziner Gruft together with Archduchess Regina.

I thinks that´s pure speculation at this time (which we shouldn´t do in respect for Archduke Otto), or do you have any proof for this?

TWS,

Of course I don't have proof of this because both Archduke Otto and his wife Regina are very much alive. None the less I have been told by a reliable source (for me at least) that both Archduke Otto & Regina will eventually be there as well as Kaiser Karl, but he will take longer; until he is Sanctified and if the people of Fungal (Madeira) let him part.

Do you  have any suggestion where Archduke Otto could eventually be buried?
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: TWS on January 30, 2008, 10:48:33 PM
Archduke Otto himself does not tell where he wants to be buried, so how can I know?

But he told several times that Emperor Karl will rest on Madeira.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Eurohistory on March 08, 2008, 11:21:05 AM
Archduke Martin and Archduchess Katharina of Austria (she was born a princess of Isenburg) welcomed their second son, Archduke Emanuel. The boy was born in Pavia, Italy, on February 15, 2008.

The wedding of Archduke Martin and Archduchess Katharina, which I attended in 2004, was a grand affair at Isenburg, with more than 200 royals in attendance. The ERHJ had a full-color report of this event in the June 2004 issue.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on March 09, 2008, 04:42:22 AM
Thank you for that information. Congratulation to the parents!! I hope they have a healthy and happy child.

Please post links, if there are pictures!

Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Princess Jil on March 09, 2008, 09:20:24 AM
Eurohistory,
  How do you know personally so many royals?  I am new to this forum.  I understand from your prior messages that you write books on royals?  What Royals have you personally met?  It would be great if you could have a thread where you tell of your personal experiences with Royals and share any photos you have taken of them.  What are some of the names of books you written?  Thanks.  I hope I am not being too nosy.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Lucien on March 09, 2008, 05:36:08 PM
Thank you for that information. Congratulation to the parents!! I hope they have a healthy and happy child.

Please post links, if there are pictures!

HI&RH Archduke Emmanuel Achatius Franz Alexander,born Pavia february 15th.

btw,princess Jil,if you have any personal questions would you mind and use the PM,as I know you are new here,you probably were not aware of that possibility.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Maximilano on March 10, 2008, 05:29:19 PM
I have seen pictures of Archduke Martin in the different journals. Archduke Martin must be well over 2 meters and his wife the Archduchess is close to 2 meters. How tall will HI&RH Archduke Emmanuel Achatius Franz Alexander be when grown up?
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Greenowl on March 10, 2008, 07:47:23 PM
According to my calculations the new Archduke is eleventh in the line of succession and yes indeed, no doubt he will be extremely tall when he grows up!
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 12, 2008, 02:56:52 AM
I just had a look at the Isenburg family tree and found out that Katharina is a descedant of Leopold II. Grandduke of Tuscany.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: José on March 13, 2008, 11:56:13 AM
True, and also of Counts Tolstoi.
Lots of russian ancestors.

I just looked up to the 7th generation but one can go far beyond.

http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=pt&m=A&i=1813093&v=7&t=N&sosab=10&siblings=on&notes=on&src=on&bd=0&color=
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on April 25, 2008, 02:18:16 AM
I'm making the announcement to all our members that Archduke Ramon von Habsburg has passed away yesterday after fighting three years against his illness, Leucemia.

Archduke Ramon was the fourth child and second son of Archduke Felix, himself son of emperor Karl I. and empress Zita. 

He was born in Mexico, on January 28 th, 1958 and married Bettine Götz in 1994, having three children:

Archduke Felix, Archduchess Maria Theresa and Archduchess Sophia (They are to see on the thread about the descendants of Archduke Felix)


From what I know Archduke Ramon is described as having been a very human person, a good husband, and a father of a very great kindness, that one could wish that more people in our world were like that.

Let us pray for his family and siblings that they find a way to come through the hard time of having lost their closest relative.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Mari on April 25, 2008, 02:51:45 AM
My Sympathies to the Family! Thanks Britt for posting this.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Learning on April 25, 2008, 06:22:23 AM
Requiescat in pace.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on April 26, 2008, 08:53:34 AM
H.I.R.H. Archduke Ramon of Austria, Prince of Hungary, in his last year of life (October, 2007)

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/IMG_4841.jpg)

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/IMG_4837.jpg)
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Eurohistory on April 26, 2008, 10:06:43 AM
According to the rules which Archduke Otto passed prior to 1993, Ramón's children should be Count and Countess of Habsburg.  I met him in Rome in 2004, he was extremely tall and incredibly thin, sickly almost, and now I see why.

Arturo Beéche
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Post by: Eric VdV on April 26, 2008, 03:08:00 PM
H.I.R.H. Archduke Ramon of Austria, Prince of Hungary, in his last year of life (October, 2007)

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/IMG_4841.jpg)

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/IMG_4837.jpg)

Thanks for the pictures, Britt! How sad.
His brother Archduke Carl Philipp is also very tall and was very slim when I saw him in Vienne at the funeral of their grandmother Empress Zita in 1989.

Eric VdV
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on April 28, 2008, 03:24:58 AM
Yes, maybe it is in the family.... But concerning the event in October 2004, which was mentioned here (I think the beatification of Karl I. must be meant) I'm not sure, if he was already ill there. From the pictures I know (please have a look on the thread about the descendants of Archduke Felix) I would say that he was still Ok there, but I'm not sure. He was also less thin there, I would say.

@Eurohistory, from what I know Ramon's title is indeed that of an Archduke, but I did not know that law made my Otto making Ramons family to counts. It was new to me. Why was this made and in which connection? 
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Marlene on April 28, 2008, 11:24:22 AM



So far,  I have not seen a death notice in the Bad Soden newspaper (where the family lived) or in the Frankfurt Allgemeine (the main newspaper for the area)

In the early 1990s, Archduke Otto upgraded the morganatic members of the family (who had the surname Hasburg-Lothringen) to the rank of COunt or Countess (as well as for the spouses).  It is believed that this was done because Archduke Karl (Otto's son) was involved in a serious relationship with Camilla Habsburg Lothringen.  For the marriage to be equal,  she needed to be something above Miss . ... however, the marriage never took place.  Karl met Francesca von Thyssen and married her.  Camilla has never married.

Yes, maybe it is in the family.... But concerning the event in October 2004, which was mentioned here (I think the beatification of Karl I. must be meant) I'm not sure, if he was already ill there. From the pictures I know (please have a look on the thread about the descendants of Archduke Felix) I would say that he was still Ok there, but I'm not sure. He was also less thin there, I would say.

@Eurohistory, from what I know Ramon's title is indeed that of an Archduke, but I did not know that law made my Otto making Ramons family to counts. It was new to me. Why was this made and in which connection? 
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on April 28, 2008, 02:28:54 PM
He will be buried in Bad Soden on Wednesday, 30th April at 9:30 as far as I know it.

I wonder, if strangers can go there? I live at Bad Homburg, Hessen, Germany and did not know that the family is that near.

Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Marlene on April 28, 2008, 04:19:00 PM
presumably the funeral will be at Sankt Katharina?   IN the US, one can attend a wedding or a funeral of a stranger, unless invitations are required ... you can slip into the back of the church

He will be buried in Bad Soden on Wednesday, 30th April at 9:30 as far as I know it.

I wonder, if strangers can go there? I live at Bad Homburg, Hessen, Germany and did not know that the family is that near.


Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Eric VdV on April 28, 2008, 04:33:16 PM
Yes, maybe it is in the family.... But concerning the event in October 2004, which was mentioned here (I think the beatification of Karl I. must be meant) I'm not sure, if he was already ill there. From the pictures I know (please have a look on the thread about the descendants of Archduke Felix) I would say that he was still Ok there, but I'm not sure. He was also less thin there, I would say.

@Eurohistory, from what I know Ramon's title is indeed that of an Archduke, but I did not know that law made my Otto making Ramons family to counts. It was new to me. Why was this made and in which connection? 
Think his wedding was small scale as e.g. Point de Vue had nothing on it, if my memory is right. This in contrast with his siblings Archduchess Kinga, Archduchess Viridis and Archduke Istvan.
There are some doubts about the noble ancestors of the wife of Archduke Istvan, Archduchess Paola, née de Temesvary, but Archduke Otto considered this wedding equal.

Eric VdV
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Norbert on April 29, 2008, 09:47:10 AM
was he ill? still quite young to die. The decree making all none equals ,counts was declared in 1990
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: José on April 29, 2008, 10:56:10 AM

In the early 1990s, Archduke Otto upgraded the morganatic members of the family (who had the surname Hasburg-Lothringen) to the rank of COunt or Countess (as well as for the spouses).  It is believed that this was done because Archduke Karl (Otto's son) was involved in a serious relationship with Camilla Habsburg Lothringen.  For the marriage to be equal,  she needed to be something above Miss . ... however, the marriage never took place. 
Yes, maybe it is in the family.... But concerning the event in October 2004, which was mentioned here (I think the beatification of Karl I. must be meant) I'm not sure, if he was already ill there. From the pictures I know (please have a look on the thread about the descendants of Archduke Felix) I would say that he was still Ok there, but I'm not sure. He was also less thin there, I would say.

@Eurohistory, from what I know Ramon's title is indeed that of an Archduke, but I did not know that law made my Otto making Ramons family to counts. It was new to me. Why was this made and in which connection? 

Who is this Camilla von Habsburg ?
Which branch of the family ? I could not find any Camilla :-/
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: José on April 29, 2008, 10:57:51 AM
was he ill? still quite young to die. The decree making all none equals ,counts was declared in 1990

He suffered from leucheamia for about 3 years
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 29, 2008, 12:29:24 PM
Who is this Camilla von Habsburg ?
Which branch of the family ? I could not find any Camilla :-/

Maria Camilla (born 1962) is the only child of Maximilian Habsburg Lothringen and his wife Doris Williams. Maximilian is the son of Archduke Joseph Ferdinand of Tuscany (1872-1842), himself son of Ferdinand IV. Grand Duke of Tuscany.

Paul Theroff lists her as "Maria Camilla von Habsburg-Lothringen Pss of Florence".
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: José on April 30, 2008, 10:03:28 AM
Thanks Marie-Charlotte

Are there any pictures of her and/or her parents   ?
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: REMI on April 30, 2008, 11:34:49 AM
Camilla of Habsburg-Lothringen, born in 1962 in Wimbledon,Surrey,GB, is not "princess of Firenze" but countess of Habsburg, according the new rules of the House of Austria (nov 30 th 1990).

REMI
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Eric VdV on April 30, 2008, 04:54:33 PM
Thanks Marie-Charlotte

Are there any pictures of her and/or her parents   ?
David McIntosh has a picture in his wonderful picture book "Die unbekannten Habsburger", where Camilla von Habsburg is seen sitting next to her grandmother Gertrud von Habsburg, while her aunt Claudia von Habsburg and her father Maximilian von Habsburg are standing behind.

Eric VdV
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Lucien on September 05, 2009, 06:02:06 AM
HI&RH Archduke Rudolf,6th child and 5th son of TM Emperor Karl and Empress Zita turns 90 today.

Together with his elder brothers Archduke Otto,who will turn 97 this november 20th,and Archduke Felix,
who turned 93 three months ago,HI&RH is the third child of their late Majesties to turn 90.
Their mother,the late Empress Zita died aged 96 twenty years ago.

http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/habsburg/hbl-lothringen3/1919%20Rudolf-07.jpg
courtesy Mardam.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on September 05, 2009, 09:11:30 AM
Happy Birthday to HI&RH Archduke Rudolf!...I don't know if it's just my impression, but in that photo I can see a big resemblance with her mother, Empress Zita...
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Princess Susan on September 06, 2009, 03:59:14 AM
I see also resemblance in his face with Empress Zita. Happy Birthday!
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on November 01, 2009, 02:49:59 PM
Archduke Rudolf with his daughter, Archduchess Catherine of Austria.

(http://inlinethumb47.webshots.com/12654/2356439840101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2356439840101857556VcjQBc)
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on February 03, 2010, 05:52:22 AM
Our thoughts, prayers and sympathies go out to Doctor Otto von Habsburg and his family at this sad time.  AP
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Lucien on February 10, 2010, 11:12:52 AM
Yet another death in the Habsburg Family as Prince Alexis zu Windisch-Graetz,
son of Archduchess Sophie and Prince Hugo zu Windisch-Graetz died aged 21 due to a car accident.

What incredible sad news,and what a young age.How tragic.

R.I.P.

http://corrieredelmezzogiorno.corriere.it/napoli/notizie/cronaca/2010/10-febbraio-2010/principe_morto-1602436843042.shtml

Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on February 10, 2010, 04:26:11 PM
My sympathies go out to Sophie and Hugo zu Windisch-Graetz, their children Maximilian and Larissa and their family.

Sophie lost her 26-year-old sister Elisabeth in 1983, her father Ferdinand in 2004 and now she also lost her 18-year-old son. That's so sad.

May he rest in peace.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Lucien on February 11, 2010, 02:45:38 AM
The parents of Alexis at their wedding in 1990:

http://members.boardhost.com/royalinsight/msg/1265826965.html

courtesy Chris,RWMB

The Prince´s car crashed on the same street where his grandfather crashed and died.
He was given this new car for his 18th birthday on december 10th 2009.

Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on February 11, 2010, 07:05:33 AM
The Prince´s car crashed on the same street where his grandfather crashed and died.
He was given this new car for his 18th birthday on december 10th 2009.

Horrible news! :- (

And with a so tragic coincidence!!... Rest in Peace, Prince Alexis zu Windisch-Graetz.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Robert_Hall on February 11, 2010, 08:30:19 AM
It is always so sad to learn of the death of a young life, just getting started.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Vecchiolarry on February 11, 2010, 09:09:41 AM
Hi,

More tragic still is that today is their 20th wedding anniversary (Feb. 11th, 1990)
This must be doubly horrifying - on a day for congratulations, to be burying your son...

Larry
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Robert_Hall on February 11, 2010, 09:21:29 AM
 Oh  how tragic, Larry.  I know it is not the same,  but a young friend of mine committed suicide  this week,  just as  my partner & I are making plans for out 40th anniversary. I can relate to their pain, in some ways.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Lucien on February 12, 2010, 02:08:52 AM
The parents of Alexis at their wedding in 1990:

http://members.boardhost.com/royalinsight/msg/1265826965.html

courtesy Chris,RWMB

The Prince´s car crashed on the same street where his grandfather crashed and died.
He was given this new car for his 18th birthday on december 10th 2009.

The parents of Prince Alexis have donated his organs to science.Alexis will be buried at the Vatican
parish church of San Stefano degli Abbessini where his grandfather is entombed also.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: grandduchessella on February 12, 2010, 03:01:29 PM
A dear friend put in a request to split the topics dealing with the tragic death of their son, Alexis. I felt perhaps the best course would be to make the thread about the family so that it wouldn't become one of those very short threads that fades away, and perhaps becomes deleted/merged (maybe back into the death announcements one) later on.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Lucien on February 13, 2010, 06:21:30 PM
Hi,

More tragic still is that today is their 20th wedding anniversary (Feb. 11th, 1990)
This must be doubly horrifying - on a day for congratulations, to be burying your son...

Larry

Besides that dear Larry,it was double horrifying in the saddest way as it was a crash of two cars.
The girl/lady who drove the other car was killed too,so there are two families in deep mourning.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Seth Leonard on February 13, 2010, 11:52:18 PM
The beautiful Windisch-Graetz family during happier times: http://www.noblesseetroyautes.com/nr01/?p=27213
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on April 01, 2010, 04:33:11 AM
1 April, 2010.
Today it's the 88th Anniversary of the death of Karl I of Habsburg...Blessed Karl, pray for us.

(http://inlinethumb14.webshots.com/43981/2522593470101857556S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2522593470101857556BbEAGa)(http://inlinethumb05.webshots.com/18052/2652860360101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2652860360101857556pXFrCS)
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: amelia on April 02, 2010, 06:48:00 AM
Could you please tell me where is this tomb? I think Karl is still in Madeira island. Thanks Amelia
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on April 02, 2010, 06:53:19 AM
Yes, Karl's tomb it's still at the Church of Our Lady of Monte (Nossa Senhora do Monte), in Funchal, Madeira Island.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: José on April 02, 2010, 11:28:47 AM
Not a very good pic oh his statue in Monte, Madeira

http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM67YN_Monarchs_Charles_I_of_Habsburg_Monte_Madeira_Portugal
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Stefan22 on May 16, 2010, 03:08:11 AM
Don't know if this is the right place if not moving.
But sad news for the Family Habsburg. Archduke Rudolf, 6 child of Emperor Karl and Empress Zita died yesterday at the age of 90.
http://www.noblesseetroyautes.com/nr01/?p=32784
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on May 16, 2010, 05:03:03 AM
So sad. :- (

Rest in Peace Archduke Rudolf, I had a very big sympathy for him, my thoughts are for his family.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on May 16, 2010, 06:37:53 AM
My sympathies go out to Archduke Rudolf's wife Anna Gabriele, his children and extended family. May he rest in peace.

It must be a shock for Dr. Otto Habsburg.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Kalafrana on May 16, 2010, 07:02:30 AM
They are a very long-lived bunch. Otto von Habsburg is 97, Archduke Felix is still around at over 90, and Archduke Rudolf himself was 90.

Of course, Empress Zita was well over 90 when she died.

Ann
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: synnadene on May 16, 2010, 11:28:48 AM
May he rest in peace.
My sympathies to his family and to Archduke Otto.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Greenowl on May 16, 2010, 05:36:13 PM
A very sad day. Rest in peace Archduke Rudolf, you will not be forgotten. May God grant his family comfort and strength.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Lucien on May 24, 2010, 02:27:41 PM
A very sad day. Rest in peace Archduke Rudolf, you will not be forgotten. May God grant his family comfort and strength.

The funeral service of Archduke Rudolf Syringus will take place on may 29th at the Notre Dame de Sablon,Brussels.

Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Lucien on June 05, 2010, 02:41:58 PM
A very sad day. Rest in peace Archduke Rudolf, you will not be forgotten. May God grant his family comfort and strength.

The funeral service of Archduke Rudolph Syringus will take place on may 29th at the Notre Dame de Sablon,Brussels.



Funeral of HI &RH Archduke Rudolf,Brussels:

http://www.royaltyguide.nl/special/2010-05-29%20funeral%20archduke%20Rudolph.htm

courtesy mardam.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on June 06, 2010, 05:42:41 AM
Funeral of HI &RH Archduke Rudolf,Brussels:

http://www.royaltyguide.nl/special/2010-05-29%20funeral%20archduke%20Rudolph.htm

courtesy mardam.

I really can't understand why a lot of people are laughing and posing for pictures when they attend a funeral ... This appears absolutely strange to me.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Svetabel on June 06, 2010, 11:32:39 PM
Funeral of HI &RH Archduke Rudolf,Brussels:

http://www.royaltyguide.nl/special/2010-05-29%20funeral%20archduke%20Rudolph.htm

courtesy mardam.

I really can't understand why a lot of people are laughing and posing for pictures when they attend a funeral ... This appears absolutely strange to me.

I always wonder as well. The one reason that I can explain the "cheesy" Royals at a funeral of their peers - they are so used to all these ceremonies of their rank and deaths of their "brothers/sisters" that they just don't mind too much. One more funeral, nothing more, such is life...
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: ashdean on June 07, 2010, 10:56:08 AM
Funeral of HI &RH Archduke Rudolf,Brussels:

http://www.royaltyguide.nl/special/2010-05-29%20funeral%20archduke%20Rudolph.htm

courtesy mardam.

I really can't understand why a lot of people are laughing and posing for pictures when they attend a funeral ... This appears absolutely strange to me.
A funeral is a celebration of the life as well as a farewell to the dead.Isnt it better to remember someone with a smile...perhaps because they smiled...
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Lucien on July 14, 2011, 04:52:48 AM
The oldest member of the Habsburg Family,passed away a few days ago and was interred today in St.Gilgen.
Archduchess Marie Valerie of Habsburg (98) was the spouse of Archduke Georg of the Tuscany line.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Zukunftsseele on August 12, 2011, 04:50:36 PM
Does anyone have a photo of her?
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Lucien on September 07, 2011, 10:44:13 AM
Two months after his brother Otto,HI & RH Archduke Felix ( May 31st 1916) passed away in Mexico.
All 7 children of the Blessed Emperor Charles I have returned to their Maker now.

He was married since 1952 with the late Archduchess Anna,néé Princess of Arenberg ( 1925 - 1997).

The couple had 7 children.

R.I.P.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on October 05, 2011, 11:39:47 AM
Archduke Felix of Austria (given names: Felix Friedrich August Maria vom Siege Franz Joseph Peter Karl Anton Robert Otto Pius Michael Benedikt Sebastian Ignatius Marcus d'Aviano) passend away on Sept. 6 th 2011. He was buried at Muri, on october, 1st 2011
He was the last surviving child of the last Austrian Emperor Charles I and a member of the House of Habsburg-Lorraine and a younger brother of the late Crown Prince Otto of Austria.

Archduke Felix was less than three years old when Austria-Hungary collapsed following its defeat in the First World War. As a result, republics were declared in the now-separate countries Austria and Hungary which led to exile of the Imperial Family. Originally exiled in Switzerland the Imperial Family were taken to Portuguese island of Madeira in 1921 after Archduke Felix's father's failed attempts to claim the throne in the Kingdom of Hungary from the regent Miklós Horthy. On 1 April 1922 his father Emperor Charles died in Madeira.

In the autumn of the year 1937 Archduke Felix was permitted to return to Austria, entering the Theresian Military Academy in Wiener Neustadt. He became the first Habsburg since the abolition of the monarchy to pursue a career as an officer in the Austrian Army.
With the Anschluss approaching Archduke Felix, his sister Archduchess Adelheid and Archduke Eugen fled Austria crossing the border to Czechoslovakia.

During the Second World War while in the United States, Felix and his brother Karl Ludwig volunteered to serve in the 101st US Infantry Battalion known as the "Free Austria Battalion". However the battalion was disbanded when a number of exiled Jewish volunteers who made up the majority of force ultimately declined to confirm their enlistment.

[edit] Return to Austria Felix, unlike his brother Otto, always refused to renounce his rights to the Austrian throne and membership of the Habsburg family, saying that doing so would violate his human rights. As a result he was banned from entering Austria except for a brief three-day stay in 1989 in order to attend his mother's funeral.[8] On 10 March 1996, after Austria had joined the European Union and the concurrent dropping of staffed border checkpoints between Austria and other EU countries, he crossed into the country from Germany and held a press conference the next day to announce his illegal arrival.[9] After his presence became known, he was warned by the Austrian government that he would face prosecution if he ever tried to enter the country illegally again.[10] Ultimately, a deal was reached between Felix, his brother Karl Ludwig and the Austrian government whereby they declared their allegiance to the republic without any reference being made to their rights to the throne or to their membership in the Imperial Family.[9]

In June 1998, in a joint action with his brother Karl Ludwig, Felix attempted to have the properties which were given to their ancestor Maria Theresa of Austria by her husband Francis I, Holy Roman Emperor restored to them after the properties had been taken from the Habsburg family by Adolf Hitler during the Anschluss.[11]

Felix built up a number of successful businesses in Mexico and Brussels[9] and worked as a marketing consultant.[12]

During his time in exile Archduke Felix lived in Portugal, Belgium, Mexico and the United States.[8] He lived in the colonia of San Ángel in Mexico City where he died 6 September 2011.[13]

[edit] Marriage and childrenFelix was married civilly on 18 November 1952 at Beaulieu, France, and religiously a day later, to Princess and Duchess Anna-Eugénie of Arenberg (1925–1997).[2] They had seven children.

Archduchess Maria del Pilar of Austria (born 1953) married Vollrad-Joachim Edler von Poschinger (born 1952)
Archduke Carl Philipp (Carlos Felipe) of Austria (born 1954) married first (div 1997) Martina Donath. Married second Annie-Claire Christine Lacrambe (born 1959)
Archduchess Kinga of Austria (born 1955) married Baron Wolfgang von Erffa (born 1948)
Archduke Raimund (Ramon) of Austria (1958–2008) married Bettine Götz (born 1969)
Archduchess Myriam of Austria (born 1959) married Jaime Corcuera Acheson (born 1955), a Mexican descendant of the Earls of Gosford.
Archduke István (Esteban) of Austria (born 1961) married Paola de Temesváry (born 1971)
Archduchess Viridis of Austria (born 1962) married The Hon. Karl Dunning-Gribble (born 1961)

As they all lived in Mexico, and some still do, they are called by the Spanish equivalent to their names.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on October 05, 2011, 11:49:39 AM
Other article:

HIRH Archduke Felix of Austria died on September 6, 2011.

The Archduke was born on May 31, 1916, as third son and fourth child of Emperor Karl of Austria, King of Hungary, and his wife, née Princess Zita of Bourbon-Parma. The Archduke was the last surviving child of the late Emperor and late Empress. He passed away in Mexico, where he had lived for decades.

Archduke Felix was married to the late Archduchess Anna-Eugénie, née Princess of Arenberg, Duchess of Arenberg (1925-1997), and together they have 7 children, Archduchess Maria del Pilar(b. 1953); Archduke Carl Philipp (1954); Archduchess Kinga (1955); the late Archduke Raimund (1958-2008); Archduchess Myriam (b. 1959); Archduke István (b. 1961) and Archduchess Viridis (b. 1961). The Archduke settled in Mexico and led a very successful business career. All but one of his children were born in that country.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on October 07, 2011, 01:46:16 PM
Further information about Archduke Felix found in a newspaper article:

"(....) It is worth adding that his survival  to the age of 3, let alone 95, was almost certainly the result of actions taken by three Britons:
King George V, who arranged  for the Habsburg royal family to be given "moral" support during their temporary in Eckartsau near Vienna
during the bitter winter of 1918-19, and the two Colonels, John Orlando Summerhayens, RAMC and Edward Lisle Strutt, Royal Scots.
Colonel Summerhayes was appointed as "Ehrenkavalier" on February II, 1919, arriving at Eckartsau a few days later to protect the imperial family
and, as a doctor, tend to their health before he was replaced by the aristocratric, Roman Catholic Strutt a week or so later.
Two year old Felix was particularly ill and the Empress Zita persuaded Strutt to allow Summerhayes to accompany Felix to Switzerland for medical
treatment, a decision which probably saved his life.
No further evidence has come to light confirming this winter journey to Switzerland. Perhaps there still remain members of the Habsburg family or their entourage who have memories or stories of this episode."



Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: britt.25 on October 07, 2011, 01:49:25 PM
I have made a single topic for it, I didn't see that there is a thread for announcements of births and deads of the Habsburgs.

I opened a single thread about Archduke Felix. Please look at this, too.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Maximilano on October 09, 2011, 11:48:37 PM
It is also worth noting that Archduke Felix was a real survivor. For his political engagement before the Second World War and during the same Archduke Felix collected 6 different death sentences issued by the Nazis for his activities against the III Reich. One of them was issued by Adolf Hitler himself and another by Heinrich Himmler, the other 4 by different hi ranking Nazi Officials.
He survived them all
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Kalafrana on October 10, 2011, 03:36:05 AM
Now that is impressive.

Ann
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Lucien on November 21, 2011, 04:04:45 PM
It is also worth noting that Archduke Felix was a real survivor. For his political engagement before the Second World War and during the same Archduke Felix collected 6 different death sentences issued by the Nazis for his activities against the III Reich. One of them was issued by Adolf Hitler himself and another by Heinrich Himmler, the other 4 by different hi ranking Nazi Officials.
He survived them all


On wednesday november 23rd at 16.00PM,a Requiem will be held at the Kapuzinerkirche,Vienna,for the late Archduke Felix.

Source:Miss Eva Demmerle,a confidant to the Family and secretary to the late Archduke Otto.
Title: The Habsburgs in Madeira to Commemorate the Emperor's Anniversary
Post by: Eurohistory on March 31, 2012, 09:28:44 PM
A sizable contingent of Habsburgs, accompanied by members of the League of Prayers for the Emperor Karl of Austria, are headed to Madeira.

While on the Portuguese island the Habsburg family will commemorate the 90th anniversary of the Emperor Karl's death, as well as his 125th birthday anniversary.

In 1916 Karl became Emperor of Austria and King of Hungary on the death of his great-uncle, Emperor Franz Josef. He was forced off the dual throne as the empire collapse at the end of the Great War.

Born on 17 August 1887, Karl was the first sons of Archduke Otto of Austria (1865-1906) and of his wife, the former Princess Maria Josepha of Saxony(1867-1944), herself a granddaughter of Queen Maria II of Portugal.

Then Archduke Karl married Princess Zita of Bourbon-Parma (1892-1989) on 21 October 1911. Their wedding took place at her family's vast residence, Schloß Frohsdorf (sold many years later and now a women's prison), and was attended by many important personalities, among them Emperor Franz Joseph, Archduke Franz Ferdinand, King Friedrich August III of Saxony and the Duke of Madrid, Carlist claimant to the Spanish throne.

More at:

http://erhj.blogspot.com/2012/03/habsburgs-head-to-madeira-to.html (http://erhj.blogspot.com/2012/03/habsburgs-head-to-madeira-to.html)

I was invited to attend both as a member of the League of Prayers for Emperor Karl and a friend of several Habsburgs. However, scheduling conflicts preveted me from being there. A pity. However, I asked several of then Habsburgs I know to take photos!
Title: Ninetieth Anniversary of the Emperor's Death
Post by: Eurohistory on April 01, 2012, 01:03:03 PM
Today 90 years ago the unexpected news came of the death of the last Emperor
and King of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.  He had been forced to spend the last part
of his earthly life in exile on the island of Madeira, far away from his homeland.

News of this event was met all around with a sense of profound shock.

More...

http://erhj.blogspot.com/2012/04/today-marks-90th-anniversary-of-emperor.html (http://erhj.blogspot.com/2012/04/today-marks-90th-anniversary-of-emperor.html)
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 01, 2012, 03:50:04 PM
Glad to see you back Arturo. Hope you are well.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Eurohistory on April 01, 2012, 07:15:44 PM
Thank You Bobby!

Five months cancer-free and feeling much better!
Title: Archduchess Helen of Austria's 75th birthday!
Post by: Eurohistory on May 20, 2012, 02:00:46 PM
On the occasion of Archduchess Helen's 75th birthday, I have written a retrospective of her life.

Enjoy!

http://erhj.blogspot.com/2012/05/happy-birthday-archduchess-helen.html (http://erhj.blogspot.com/2012/05/happy-birthday-archduchess-helen.html)
Title: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Lucien on December 05, 2012, 06:30:33 AM
Archduke Christoph of Austria,2nd son of Archduke Carl Christian and Archduchess Marie Astrid,néé Princess of Luxembourg,
will marry his long time love Miss Adelaide Drape - Frisch at Nancy,France on december 28th and 29th 2012.

The Bride to be is studying for her Masters in Psygology in Geneva,
while Christoph is employed in finance,also in Geneva.

The city of Nancy has a strong historic bond with the House Habsburg Lorraine,hence the choice.
It was also once the venue of the wedding of the late Archduke Otto and Archduchess Regina.

After his brother Imre and cousin Guillaume,it´s the 3rd wedding in the extended family this year!
Title: Wedding of HI & RH Archduke Christoph of Austria and Adelaide Drapé Frisch today
Post by: Lucien on December 29, 2012, 09:54:21 AM
Archduke Christoph of Austria,2nd son of Archduke Carl Christian and Archduchess Marie Astrid,néé Princess of Luxembourg,
will marry his long time love Miss Adelaide Drape - Frisch at Nancy,France on december 28th and 29th 2012.

The Bride to be is studying for her Masters in Psygology in Geneva,
while Christoph is employed in finance,also in Geneva.

The city of Nancy has a strong historic bond with the House Habsburg Lorraine,hence the choice.
It was also once the venue of the wedding of the late Archduke Otto and Archduchess Regina.

After his brother Imre and cousin Guillaume,it´s the 3rd wedding in the extended family this year!

After the civil ceremony yesterday ,today there was the religious ceremony at the Basila,Nancy,France.

http://www.sipa.com/fr/feature/2506490/nancy-royal-wedding-archduke-christoph-of-austria-and-adelaide-drape-frisch

http://www.wort.lu/en/view/archduke-christoph-marries-adela-de-in-nancy-50df0409e4b0f41b467cf2e6



Title: Wedding of HI & RH Archduke Christoph of Austria and Adelaide Drapé Frisch today
Post by: Lucien on December 31, 2012, 06:06:18 AM
Archduke Christoph of Austria,2nd son of Archduke Carl Christian and Archduchess Marie Astrid,néé Princess of Luxembourg,
will marry his long time love Miss Adelaide Drape - Frisch at Nancy,France on december 28th and 29th 2012.

The Bride to be is studying for her Masters in Psygology in Geneva,
while Christoph is employed in finance,also in Geneva.

The city of Nancy has a strong historic bond with the House Habsburg Lorraine,hence the choice.
It was also once the venue of the wedding of the late Archduke Otto and Archduchess Regina.

After his brother Imre and cousin Guillaume,it´s the 3rd wedding in the extended family this year!

After the civil ceremony yesterday ,today there was the religious ceremony at the Basila,Nancy,France.

http://www.sipa.com/fr/feature/2506490/nancy-royal-wedding-archduke-christoph-of-austria-and-adelaide-drape-frisch

http://www.wort.lu/en/view/archduke-christoph-marries-adela-de-in-nancy-50df0409e4b0f41b467cf2e6





The pics :

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=29-12-2012%20Nancy

courtesy PPE

Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Kalafrana on January 19, 2013, 01:06:05 PM
The engagement is announced in today's Daily Telegraph between Dr Maximilian von Habsburg, son of Archduke Geza and Archduchess Monica, and Miss Arabella Stafford Northcote.

Ann
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Maximilano on March 03, 2013, 01:28:27 AM
He was also the caretaker of the Kapuzinergruft in Vienna where hundreds of Archdukes found their last place to rest. He promised to protect them from heaven. Many still bear his name, knowing that somebody in Heaven called Marcus D'aviano is protecting them. It is a century old tradition that lingers on over generations and will, computers permitting long names, continue for generations to come. 
Why certain Archdukes bear the name and certain don't  I think its a personal question, not a rule.
Title: Re: Announcements of births/deaths/weddings/anniversaries in the Habsburg family
Post by: Captain Koala on July 01, 2013, 05:32:05 AM
apologies if this has been covered before (  i wasn't sure where to post this question) ... does anyone know what happened to archduchess Elizabeth who died in Australia in 1983?