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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Wittlesbachs => Topic started by: Kaiserin Sissi on June 16, 2006, 03:35:53 PM

Title: Sissi's Family
Post by: Kaiserin Sissi on June 16, 2006, 03:35:53 PM
I know that exist pictures with some menbers of Sissi' family ( brothers, sisters with parents or not )
but does exist pictures or paniting with all family ( Sissi, her 7 brothers and sisters and parents ).
Does anybody have this ?
Title: Re: Sissi's Family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on June 17, 2006, 10:04:07 AM
I don't think that a photo or a painting like this is available. There are photos showing Ludovica and her children Sophie, Max Emanuel, Carl Theodor and Mathilde, bur they are quite famous. I also have a photo of Elisabeth, Mathilde, Helene and Carl Theodor. And there was a setting in Possenhofen in the early 1860's showing Elisabeth, Helene, Sophie, Max Emanuel and their cousin Ludwig Victor. It seems to me that Duke Max refused to be photographed with his wife and children.

Here is the painting Ludwig I. gave Elisabeth as a present in 1854. It was created by the famous and adorable Joseph Carl Stieler.

(http://home.arcor.de/ciolla/sophie/bilder/geschwister01.jpg)
Title: Re: Sissi's Family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on June 17, 2006, 10:21:47 AM
Maybe you are interested in this picture (1862):

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/fam02.jpg)

On the right you can see Elisabeth, Ludovica (sitting), Sophie, Helene (sitting), Mathilde, Marie (sitting), Ludwig, Max (sitting), Carl Theodor and Max Eamanuel
Title: Re: Sissi's Family
Post by: Kaiserin Sissi on June 17, 2006, 11:10:21 AM
Have you this picture in big format with only the part where the Sissi's family is.

Thank you and thanks too for this two beautiful pictures.
Title: Re: Sissi's Family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on June 18, 2006, 10:00:24 AM

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/familie18.jpg)

I found this family painting of the Wittelsbachs in one of my books. Then I took a picture of it with my camera. Finally I am able to show you a bigger version of Elisabeth's family. However, this version contains little numbers for identifying reasons. I couldn't cut off all of them.

Marie
Title: Re: Sissi's Family
Post by: Kaiserin Sissi on June 18, 2006, 10:12:32 AM
Thank you very very much, Marie, for this picture it is wonderful.

                                                          Thanks Again
Title: Re: Sissi's Family
Post by: Veronika on October 25, 2006, 12:48:51 PM
(http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1588/sissimaladeavecsessoeursvienneoctobre2006dv1.jpg)

Mathilde, Marie and Sisi.
I canīt see pictures from Marie Charlotte, itīs pity :'(
Title: Re: Sissi's Family
Post by: britt.25 on October 25, 2006, 01:15:18 PM
The boy looks like Rudolf, is it him? ;)
Title: Re: Sissi's Family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 25, 2006, 01:40:48 PM
(http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1588/sissimaladeavecsessoeursvienneoctobre2006dv1.jpg)

Mathilde, Marie and Sisi.
I canīt see pictures from Marie Charlotte, itīs pity :'(

I'm sorry, Veronika. This picture is only a detail of a family group showing the royal family of Naples and the Two Sicilies. The ladies on the picture are Maria Annunziata (sitting), daughter of Ferdinando II., Marie and Mathilde. The guy in the back is a younger brother of Maria Annunziata. Maybe Pasquale or Gaetano?
I've heard that Hamann used this picture in one of her books. She wanted to express that Elisabeth (who is Annunziata in fact) looked ill during this period of time.
Title: Re: Sissi's Family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 25, 2006, 01:47:15 PM
Here is the whole picture:

(http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/2114/annunziatasiz06xa6.jpg)

As I don't have a bigger version of it, it is quite hard to identify all the people. I know that the young woman in the white dress standig on the left is Princess Maria Immaculata. The man next to her could be her (future-) husband Archduke Karl Salvator. In the center you can see the former Queen Marie Therese dressed in black with some of her younger children. Maybe the man behind the group of children is King Francesco II.
Title: Re: Sissi's Family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 25, 2006, 01:53:43 PM
I canīt see pictures from Marie Charlotte, itīs pity :'(

Dear Veronika, I think this is the pic I've posted in June ... I post so many pictures that I have to delete some of them from time to time.  ;)

(http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/7895/familie18ed9.jpg)
Title: Re: Sissi's Family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 25, 2006, 09:22:56 PM
I have this postcard too...But thanks for enlarging it for us to see. I think that is a composite photo as well.  ;D
Title: Re: Sissi's Family
Post by: Veronika on October 26, 2006, 04:32:05 AM
(http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1588/sissimaladeavecsessoeursvienneoctobre2006dv1.jpg)

Mathilde, Marie and Sisi.
I canīt see pictures from Marie Charlotte, itīs pity :'(

I'm sorry, Veronika. This picture is only a detail of a family group showing the royal family of Naples and the Two Sicilies. The ladies on the picture are Maria Annunziata (sitting), daughter of Ferdinando II., Marie and Mathilde. The guy in the back is a younger brother of Maria Annunziata. Maybe Pasquale or Gaetano?
I've heard that Hamann used this picture in one of her books. She wanted to express that Elisabeth (who is Annunziata in fact) looked ill during this period of time.

Oh, thatīs pitch. :D Woman at the right side lookīs like as Sisi. But her sisters often lookīs like as her. Thankīs for correction.
Title: Re: Sissi's Family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 26, 2006, 04:38:49 AM
All of Sisi's sisters copy her dress and style. Mathilde was especially fond of dress.  ;)
Title: Re: Sissi's Family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 26, 2006, 05:58:17 AM
I have this postcard too...But thanks for enlarging it for us to see. I think that is a composite photo as well.  ;D

Here we go:  ;)

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/familiengruppe02.jpg)
Title: Re: Sissi's Family
Post by: britt.25 on October 26, 2006, 01:19:46 PM
Wonderful picture! Only a bit small, is it from a book or a postcard?
Title: Re: Sissi's Family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 26, 2006, 03:02:22 PM
Wonderful picture! Only a bit small, is it from a book or a postcard?

It's from a book. I'll send you a bigger version (without numbers) via email if you like.
Title: Re: Sissi's Family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 26, 2006, 09:42:12 PM
I have the postcard...but it is great you enlarge it so that we may see indivual people.  :)
Title: Re: Sissi's Family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 27, 2006, 01:51:50 AM
I have the postcard...but it is great you enlarge it so that we may see indivual people.  :)

There is a problem: I could show you a bigger version, but in the forum the picture will appear quite small ... This may be a general problem here.
But I could show you parts of the whole image and tell you the names of the Wittelsbachs shown there.  ;)
Title: Re: Sissi's Family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 27, 2006, 02:07:17 AM
That would be great ! I am sure it included Hildergard & Aldegunde (both married into the Hapsburg family).  :D
Title: Re: Sissi's Family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 27, 2006, 02:10:17 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/fam03_01.jpg)

Part 1:
(left to right) Princess Therese, Prince Ludwig, Princess Auguste Ferdinande, Prince Leopold, Prince Luitpold, little Prince Ludwig Ferdinand, Princess Alexandra, little Prince Arnulf, baby Prince Alfons, Prince Adalbert (in the back), Princess Amalia (white dress),  King Otto of Greece and his wife Queen Amalie
Title: Re: Sissi's Family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 27, 2006, 02:11:35 AM

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/fam03_02.jpg)

Part 2:

Prince Ludwig, Prince Otto, Queen Marie, King Max II., King Ludwig I. and Prince Carl
Title: Re: Sissi's Family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 27, 2006, 02:13:27 AM


(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/fam03_03.jpg)

Part 3:
Empress Elisabeth, Duchess Ludovica, Sophie d'Alencon, Helene of T&T, Mathilde Trani, Queen Marie, Duke Louis (in the back), Duke Max, Duke Carl Theodor and little Duke Max Emanuel
Title: Re: Sissi's Family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 27, 2006, 02:14:06 AM
That would be great ! I am sure it included Hildergard & Aldegunde (both married into the Hapsburg family).  :D

I'm sorry, Hildegard and Adelgunde are not in the picture.
Title: Re: Sissi's Family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 27, 2006, 02:20:10 AM

There is also another family group (1901):

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/familiengruppe04.jpg)

Adelgunde is sitting in the center of the picture next to her brother Luitpold and in front of Rupprecht and Marie Gabrielle.
Title: Re: Sissi's Family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 27, 2006, 02:36:18 AM
Thanks ! I think the second one was a kind of anniversary of sorts right ?