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Title: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: CLAYCAT78 on September 20, 2004, 01:40:39 AM
The exhibit "Nicholas and Alexandra: At Home with the Last Tsar and His Family" will open at The Newark Museum, New Jersey on Sept. 28.  I am a docent  and we all have been studying like mad to be ready.  It looks like there will be sellout crowds.  Already over 1,000 tours are booked and this for our small Museum is something.  Many days are sold out already for booked tours.  However, there is a daily public tour too.  Right now workmen  are transforming our lovely marble court surrounded by corridors into the palace, with deep red drapes, columns and many crystal chandeliers rented for the occasion.  If anyone has any questions as the exhibition continues, I will attempt to answer them. In fact, if you get me relevant questions quickly I might be able to ask the curator herself.

I  really visited this website to find out what I could learn; but after reading all the questions about the Santa Fe Exhibit, I figure I might be able to answer questions as the exhibiion continues.    But meanwhile, does anyone know how to pronounce Tsarkoye Selo?
Title: Re: The Alexandra Pqlace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Mike on September 20, 2004, 03:45:49 AM
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 does anyone know how to pronounce Tsarkoye Selo?

You can download and play an mp3 file of the song Davai poyedem v Tsarskoye Selo (http://erastimes.8m.net/tsarskoye.mp3) (Let's go to Tsarskoye Selo), performed by its author Alexander Gorodnitsky (who btw lives there). The first phrase is exactly the above title, so listen & learn.
Title: Re: The Alexandra Pqlace at the Newark Museum
Post by: LisaDavidson on September 20, 2004, 04:04:46 PM
Zar - sko Say - lo
Title: Re: The Alexandra Pqlace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Douglas on September 20, 2004, 07:01:13 PM
Zar - skoee- -Say-low
Title: Re: The Alexandra Pqlace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Dashkova on September 20, 2004, 07:07:45 PM
Doug, your version is closer to  what I always have been taught.  Do you mean:  "TSAR-skoh-yeh SAY-lo"?  Just wondering if there are slightly different pronunciations depending on maybe the accent of the Russian speaker?

It's like the town Kolomonskoe (Koh-LOW-men-skoh-yah) the "oe" at the end comes out closer to "yeh" or "yah", isn't that right?
Title: Re: The Alexandra Pqlace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Daniel Briere on September 20, 2004, 07:28:49 PM
Get a Russian and a linguist in here for heaven's sake!! Final accent is on LO : TSAR-sko-yeh-see-LO. Instead of trying to transliterate Russian, you should listen to the nice song Mike has provided : no need to understand the language to get it : it’s the 4th word of the song!!
Title: Re: The Alexandra Pqlace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Forum Admin on September 21, 2004, 10:08:58 AM
Our best transliteration is "Tsar' skehya- Sye'lo" but we agree that listening to that MP3 really helps.
Title: Re: The Alexandra Pqlace at the Newark Museum
Post by: KayTanaka on September 25, 2004, 05:24:31 AM
And it is the ALEXANDER Palace rather than the ALEXANDRA Pqlace.
Title: Re: The Alexandra Pqlace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Forum Admin on September 25, 2004, 09:55:17 AM
Kay's transliteration is very good I think. I also learned the pronunciation from my "tante Lili". The only thing I would add is that the final "o" of Selo, should be a soft "o", shortened, and not the full sound like "low" in English.
It should be somewhere "between" ow (in low) and uh (in duh)
Title: Re: The Alexandra Pqlace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Forum Admin on September 25, 2004, 08:10:30 PM
Kay,
I have written this before on the forum, but it bears repeating here. I once read that the pre1917 "upper class" or educated Russian accent was compared to "silver troika bells ringing across new fallen snow." When I heard "Tante Lili" recite her Pushkin poems by heart for me, over tea. I realized that this description was spot on correct. Those of us who have heard this wonderful language can never forget that sound.
cheers.
Rob
Title: Re: The Alexandra Pqlace at the Newark Museum
Post by: CLAYCAT78 on September 25, 2004, 09:53:35 PM
Had no idea I was starting such a conversation about the pronounciation.  We have a Russian gal working at the Museum who is totally thrilled about the Exhibit coming.  She is going to meet with the docents on Tues and go over all the pronounciations.  I'm pretty good because I had a bit of Russian years ago, and I remember Russian is totally phonetic. Alphabet invented by a monk, I believe in order to translate the Bible. I had fun with the alphabet and pronounciation...but the grammar was dreadful as I recall.  Which syllable to accent throws me though.  Thanks everyone.

I want to make a correction in my original message.  There are not over a thousand tours coming.  It is about 130 or more.  I don't think we could fit in 1,000 tours. The Museum is only open 12-5 Wed. through Sunday. I meant to say over 100.  But folks are still booking.

It's scary, because we don't get a docent walk through until earlier in the day on the 28th  (opening day)  and tours start the next day.  Probably by the time the exhibit is about to close we will get really good at giving tours.  But for us, this is a blockbuster show, which will require some traffic controll. Anyone want me to keep you posted of interesting events or interesting people at the exhibit?  You never know.
Title: Re: The Alexandra Pqlace at the Newark Museum
Post by: CLAYCAT78 on September 25, 2004, 09:57:09 PM
How can I edit the title of the subject once I post it?  I want it to correct the spelling of Palace and also change Alexandra to Alexander.  Perhaps someone at the website can edit it.  Like most emailers, my editing is not always perfect.
Title: Re: The Alexandra Pqlace at the Newark Museum
Post by: rskkiya on September 25, 2004, 10:03:51 PM
CLAYCAT

Enjoy the exhibit-- it is a great one and I am glad to think just how much attention (and maybe income :)) it will give to your museum!
Its full of lots of delicate stuff/ clothes/letters/toys and personal items and even my dear spouse- a german cyclist- found it splendid... (his only complain --"No Bikes!")LOL

R.
Title: Re: The Alexandra Pqlace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Forum Admin on September 26, 2004, 09:47:08 AM
Claycat,
One serious flaw to our BB software is that once you create a topic title it cannot be changed, so please, type carefully!
FA
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Forum Admin on September 28, 2004, 08:57:15 PM
Actually, Look up, at the title of this thread!
A very astute user discovered that if I or the original poster of a thread modify the very first post subject line, it will correct the whole thread!!
I just found that out yesterday....
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: KayTanaka on September 28, 2004, 10:11:48 PM
Dear FA,

Yea!!! And thank you both!!! But I was checking all around and saw that some of the posts still contain the original errors in their titles. CLAYCAT'S first post and then my last post and your last post are okay, but the others haven't adjusted. Maybe that's not possible in the software. Just trying to see that the exhibition at Newark gets off to a good start. It seems important that what readers might seek out as the exhibit's main thread on this website be as accurate as possible.
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: azrael7171918 on September 29, 2004, 12:10:37 PM
Can't wait to see the exhibit!! Does anyone know if any of the special events are booked already? RKM is giving a lecture on the 24th of October on the Family"s home life.
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Janet_W. on October 01, 2004, 02:24:01 PM
Amen to that, AnastasiaFan! Seeing the exhibit while it was in Santa Fe was fabulous, but oh how wonderful it would be to hear Robert Massie speak!
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 26, 2004, 01:15:57 PM
Hi AnastasiaFan,

I was at the Newark Museum that day too and saw the Robert Massie lecture and talked to him and got my books signed  :) I am wondering if you were among the group of girls one of whom (wearing a blue hat) asked the FOTR question at the Q&A?
Great exhibit, wasn't it? My sister and I were reading all those fan letters from the kids too, they were so cute! Did you see that the little American boy who wrote to  Nicholas asking him for stamps, adressed him as "Dear Mr Tsar" ;D, that was so cute!  And I was impressed with Marie's water color of Kostroma, do you remember that one? It was kind of small, but very nice... All in all, highly recommend this exhibit to anyone who can go! I think it's there until the end of January...

Helen
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Janet_W. on October 26, 2004, 01:27:10 PM
Hi Helen--

I remember that water color from my visit to the exhibit while it was on display in Santa Fe. The water color was beautifully done; Marie clearly had quite a talent.

The letters to the Tsar and his family from children in the United States were also a wonderful feature, and very unexpected.

Santa Fe was a wonderful place to visit on its own, but those of you living in and around Newark are fortunate to have had the opportunity to see Robert Massie!
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Annie on October 26, 2004, 06:03:22 PM
I'm glad you had a wonderful time AnastasiaFan! How exciting!
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: mek on October 26, 2004, 08:01:42 PM
I live in Cincinnati and understand the exhibit is scheduled to come here in January.  How exciting that Massie was in Newark!  Was he at the Santa Fe exhibit also?  It would be wonderful if he is scheduled for Cincinnati.
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Sunny on October 27, 2004, 05:51:27 AM
Many thanks for the notes on, The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum exhibition. Please tell us more  :)

Sunny
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 27, 2004, 07:56:36 AM
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OMG! Yes, that was us! The girl in the blue hat was my friend. I was the blonde in the pink shirt sitting next to her.  :D



Hi AnastasiaFan,

You know, for some reason I knew it instinctively! I was at the museum with my sister and I was telling her about APTM forum, and I remember I said to her, you know those girls over there seem like they would be from this forum! I don't know if you remember, but you (or one of your friends) and I had a short exchange of comments, as we were coming out from the lecture, about your friend's FOTR question...   :D

Helen
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 27, 2004, 07:59:12 AM
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I live in Cincinnati and understand the exhibit is scheduled to come here in January.  How exciting that Massie was in Newark!  Was he at the Santa Fe exhibit also?  It would be wonderful if he is scheduled for Cincinnati.


From what I understand, Mr Massie lives just north of NYC, so this was a convenient location for him...
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 27, 2004, 08:13:21 AM
BTW, did you guys notice that Robert Massie was walking around the exhibit before the lecture? I am not sure if anyone recognized him at that time. He was also sitting at a table in the food courtyard eating borcht right before the lecture  ;D, we happened to be sitting at the next table ;). I had so many questions for him and was dying to talk to him at that time, but restrained myself so as not to be rude... Unfortunately after the lecture it was too crowded with the book signers to talk to him much... He was very nice about it, but the exhibit supervisor, or whoever that lady was, was very militaristic and would have none of it!  :(

Helen
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 27, 2004, 08:22:06 AM
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Hi Helen--

I remember that water color from my visit to the exhibit while it was on display in Santa Fe. The water color was beautifully done; Marie clearly had quite a talent.



Seeing these types of things is what really gets to you, I think. This is when you really perceive them as human beings who had so much potential, and not just some characters from a book. I am not sure if I am expressing myself clearly about this. At the moment I saw that little water color, I got very sad, and I was thinking "I just can't believe that they killed them like that!". It's not like I didn't think that before, but it was just one of those moments when it all becomes real instead of abstract. I remember that I also felt this way when I visited the Alexander Palace last May and saw a doll that belonged to one of the girls. I actually got tears in my eyes at that moment. You just never know what will get to you, even when you have been reading about this stuff for years!
Helen
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Abby on November 07, 2004, 12:15:22 PM
I went to the exhibit yesterday, I was there from 12-4 and it was GREAT! I agree with AnastasiaFan that the home movies of the family were very moving. I got more choked up when I saw their photo albums for the first time, behind the glass. I just coulnd't beleive that these were the same albums that they had all sat around and posted photos in together! I had seen pictures of the albums so many times but here they were before my eyes. Their handwriting still very visible on the pages. It was very haunting. I said that I wanted to turn the pages and see the other pictures in the album and my dad joked that after hours the museum employees probably flipped through them  ;) LOL
Anyway it was all soo wonderful and I enjoyed it very much. Their dresses and Alexei's toys were amazing to see. I think I liiked it better when me and my family were going around the exhibit on our own than when the docent gave the tour. She was really good but we couldn't hear her very well and there were so many people it was hard to see! I thought it was interesting how, at the end of the tour when they talk about the murder of the family, the tour guide said that "the body of Anastasia had been identified in the grave and Marie and Alexei were the ones who are missing."
I wanted to say "well we don't know that for sure!" but I didn't, LOL.
Very good exhibit, if you can get down there to see it, try to!
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: chintz22 on November 09, 2004, 11:06:16 AM
Hi All--

I wondered if this exhibition has a poster?  There were some lovely "poster-like" images on the website but nothing in the online shop.  Also, is the catalog worth getting?  Could someone who has been to the exhibit let me know?  

Thanks!
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Janet_W. on November 09, 2004, 11:33:29 AM
Hi chintz22--

Although I visited the Santa Fe exhibit and not the current one in Newark, I can tell you that the catalog--common to all three exhibit sites--is very worthwhile. A number of articles are included, along with photographs and helpful captions. The production aspects of the catalog itself are first-class, making it a definite "keeper"!

Unfortunately, the museum shop at the Santa Fe exhibit did not offer any posters. What a shame; I think they would have been a "hot item"! Overall, the gift shop selection in Santa Fe was reasonably good, although the inclusion of some books--such as the one by Shay McNeil--I found highly questionable. Here's hoping that the buyer for the Newark museum has been a bit more selective!

Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Robert Wisener, PA on November 10, 2004, 12:01:45 PM
Hi Guys:

I'm visiting the Newark Museum either on Friday or Saturday.  On Friday, the museum is open from 12:00 to 5:00, whereas on Saturday, its open from 10:00-5:00.  Is five hours enough time to thoroughly enjoy the exhibit and gift shop or should I give myself 7 hours?  I'd rather go Friday, but don't want to be rushed...

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Abby on November 10, 2004, 02:09:28 PM
You will have plenty of time, robert! me and my family went from 12-4:30 and we had time to walk through the exhibit twice, once with a guide and once on our own, and spend due time in TWO gift shops AND see like 4 other exhibits. don't worry.
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Laura Mabee on November 15, 2004, 10:21:26 PM
*bump*
Sorry to bump this thread up, but I just joined today and this is a topic that I would like to ask about. I had wanted to see the lecture with Mr.Massie, but due to the fact that my car died, I couldn't make it. However I will be going within the next month. I guess I have a few questions, if someone could help me that would be awesome.

Questions:
a) Can I take in my Digital Camera?
b) What other things could you buy that isn't shown on the Newark site?  -- The reason I ask this is because I live in Canada, I gotta bring my money before I cross the border, so I would like to have a ballpark figure of what I should expect to see --
c) Well, this was almost already answered, but I was just curious anyway.... I would like to be able to take my sweet time through this exibit, and take in everything I can. How long do you guys suppose it takes to go though? Should I go at opening and manage to be done by close? Or should I take this over a few days?

Did anyone get a picture of Mr. Massie? If you did, I would forever love it if someone would email me a pictiure of him (lmabee@gmail.com)

Thanks so much everyone ^_^
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: LisaDavidson on November 15, 2004, 10:27:26 PM
Robert (and Laura, too): When Lanie and I went through the first time in Santa Fe there were alot of people there. We came back first thing in the morning the following day, to a much smaller crowd of people, and we enjoyed ourselves more. So, I would think the crowds would be smaller on a Friday than on a Saturday in Newark. And they are generally smaller first thing in the morning, but you might want to ask the museum.

You cannot take photos in the exhibit AFAIK.

Hope you have a great time!
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Laura Mabee on November 16, 2004, 08:55:21 AM
Thanks for the help guys! I appreciate it very much ^_^
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Ksenia on November 16, 2004, 12:35:39 PM
Oh, it sound's so excellent !! ;D I would have love to have gone, but I live in England ! I so wish I could go....
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Robert Wisener, PA on November 16, 2004, 03:10:15 PM
Hey All:

To be frank, I was kind of disappointed in the exhibition.  I suppose I was expecting something similar to the Broughton Exhibition in Wilmington, DE so I thought I'd be spending all day looking at the exhibition and then another two hours or so in the gift shop...  Not so.

Going through the exhibition (at most) took an hour.  Going through the items in the gift shop (which was severely limited and severly over-priced ($13.00 for a freakin magnet!) took about 20 minutes.  Like AnastasiaFan, I only spent $40...of which I bought the catalog ($25), and 2 hand-painted mouth blown glass eggs ($8.95 a piece).

Not to sound overly negative because I don't want to discourage future exhibitions...but it really wasn't worth the drive...

Just my opinion...was anyone else disappointed?



Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Laura Mabee on November 16, 2004, 03:52:09 PM
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Hey All:

To be frank, I was kind of disappointed in the exhibition.  I suppose I was expecting something similar to the Broughton Exhibition in Wilmington, DE so I thought I'd be spending all day looking at the exhibition and then another two hours or so in the gift shop...  Not so.

Going through the exhibition (at most) took an hour.  Going through the items in the gift shop (which was severely limited and severly over-priced ($13.00 for a freakin magnet!) took about 20 minutes.  Like AnastasiaFan, I only spent $40...of which I bought the catalog ($25), and 2 hand-painted mouth blown glass eggs ($8.95 a piece).

Not to sound overly negative because I don't want to discourage future exhibitions...but it really wasn't worth the drive...

Just my opinion...was anyone else disappointed?


That does sound dissapointing.  To be honest I was going to save like $250 just for the gift shop. I wanted to get one of the necklaces, and definatly going to get a cataloge. I wish I could have gone to the exhibit in DC. Problem is I was younger when that was one, and had no car of my own  :(

Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Anastasia on November 16, 2004, 04:01:02 PM
I was admittedly quite disappointed by the exhibit. For several reasons, one being the limitations of the actual exhibit-although we were rushed for time. I too was expecting an exhibit more like the one that came through a few years ago. I suppose my only chance now for seeing all of that stuff is to actually go to the Alexander Palace, or to look through that big exhibition book I own again.

So I was disappointed. But you know, how many times does anyone get the chance to see ANY of this stuff? So I guess it was still "worth it". But I think if you go in there expecting the last exhibit, you'll be quite surprised. So take it for what it's worth.
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Janet_W. on November 16, 2004, 04:04:57 PM
Hi Robert--

I visited the exhibit in Santa Fe rather than Newark, but I'm assuming that it was pretty much the same exhibit. And I flew across three states--me, who is terrified of flying!--in order to see the exhibit, using money I didn't necessarily have, so I'm relieved that the exhibit, for me, didn't disappoint!

Perhaps it has to do with one's expectations. I found a great deal to admire and examine, especially when it came to the photo albums, the letters from abroad sent to the Tsar, etc. I also was amazed to see so many paintings and other items--that I had previously seen in black-and-white photos from the time of Nicholas and Alexandra--and to see them so CLOSE!

As for your disappointment, I am reminded what actor Charlton Heston once said of Michaelangelo, whom he was portraying in a film: "I'm sure there were times when he looked at his sculptures and paintings and said, 'Why don't you breathe, damn it!'" I think that feeling might also apply to museum displays. We can admire what we see, but no matter how much we enjoy the experience, the truth remains that we can never really relive, in totality, an experience or an era . . . we can only receive glimmers of what has passed, and will never come again. What a frustrating reminder that time is always slipping away from us!

Janet
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: RichC on November 16, 2004, 04:22:27 PM
It's disappointing to hear that the exhibit isn't that great.  I'm flying into Newark on Dec 22nd and planned on taking in the exhibit.  I probably still will...

Back in the 1970's, when I was a child, my mother took me to an exhibit of clothes, paintings and jewels of imperial Russia at the Metropolitain Museum of Art.  I remember seeing Catherine the Great's wedding dress.  

Also, it was always nice to stroll into the Forbes collection (60 5th Ave.) and check out the Faberge stuff.  Alexis' toys were on display there for a while as well.  Does anyone know if they're still there?
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Abby on November 16, 2004, 06:33:44 PM
Yep, I wasn't disappointed either, but like AnastasiaFan said, I was happy to see anything beloging to the Imperial family because I hadn't seen anything in real life before and I didn't go to the previous exhibit.

Rich C, they did have some of Alexei's toys there. I don't know how many you saw at the other exhibit, but they had a clock that he made himself with a kit, and some hammers and workshop materials of his, and they had that little miniature shed thing that was painted with stripes... i don't know if you know what I'm talking about, but there is a photo somewhere of Alexei standing next to it as a child  and it was about his height. They also had a Steif bear and a fox, and some furniture.
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: LisaDavidson on November 16, 2004, 08:08:44 PM
I was not disappointed. I came by train from LA to Santa Fe with Lanie and my family. We saw the exhibit twice and as I said, I enjoyed the second pass much better than the first.

It's important that these get support from people like us, because if they don't, there will be fewer of them coming over here - and we will all be the poorer for it.
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Janet_W. on November 16, 2004, 09:46:06 PM
Yes, the sentry box was wonderful! Also I very much liked seeing Vanka's elaborate and very colorful tack from the King of Italy. I wonder if Newark found a small model burro or donkey to display Vanka's tack, as did Santa Fe?

Sure, it would have been nice to see a few more items of clothing, but all the same we did see Tatiana's regiment uniform, a cloak used by Nicholas, a tea dress or two of Alexandra's, plus quite a bit more that I can't document right now because I don't have the catalog beside me.

I agree with Lisa that those of us who can should support this exhibit. Consider that all these wonderful items have come to the United States, saving many of us the trouble of having to arrange a passport, hotel accomodations, a transAtlantic flight, etc. Also, consider that for one year those of us in the United States have the opportunity to see some of the fabulous items that might one day might permanently return to the palace!  

Now that my memory has been jogged, I'll add that I was fascinated by a clock that Nicholas kept in his study. And of course the clock that Alexei apparently assembled from a kit (no doubt with some supervision from Gilliard, Gibbes, or one of his sailor nurses!) was also delightful.

Perhaps my favorite item was a leather-working kit owned by the grand duchesses. As a vegetarian, I'm not sure why a leather-working kit would appeal to me . . . perhaps because it illustrated that beyond being royal, they were first and foremost children, and interested in the same sort of artsy-craftsy things that you and I begged our parents to buy for us! Yes, there were glamorous, sometimes eye-popping items on display. But the charm of many of the artifacts lay in the fact that they had once been part of a "cosy" home.

If I'd had more time in Santa Fe, I would have returned for at least two more visits. Because I've found that once acquainted with an exhibit, the experience is enhanced by seeing how others react to what's on display!  
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Abby on November 16, 2004, 10:03:56 PM
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Yes, the sentry box was wonderful! Also I very much liked seeing Vanka's elaborate and very colorful tack from the King of Italy. I wonder if Newark found a small model burro or donkey to display Vanka's tack, as did Santa Fe?
 


Yep, they had a cute little plastic donkey! And a b/w photograph of Alexei with the REAL Vanka for comparison! :)
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: RichC on November 16, 2004, 11:04:33 PM
Thanks, Abby.  I have the time, so I will go to the exhibit.  But it's just a stop-gap for what I really want to do, which is go to St. Petersburg and visit all the amazing places I've been reading about for 30 years!
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Anastasia on November 17, 2004, 01:41:32 AM
yes AnastasiaFan the new york vacation we had WAS fun and that was totally worth it. and so was tatiana's dress, and the fan letters and the toys and seeing the photo albums and the icons that belonged to the family; tatiana and alexandra's collection of crosses and religious belongings of olga and tatiana. that was really really cool and so worth it.

so if anyone already has their ticket to newark, i'd say keep it.
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Anastasia on November 17, 2004, 01:44:29 AM
oh, i flew five hours for the exhibit. plus jet lag and everything.

worth it.
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: livadiarose on November 17, 2004, 03:09:33 AM
I'd say my favorite part of the exhibit, besides meeting Massie, were the "fan" letters sent to Nicholas, and the one to Anastasia.

One thing I wish they had included: Olga's Hussar uniform, which I saw back in '98, it's simply gorgeous.
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Laura Mabee on November 17, 2004, 10:24:41 AM
It's great to read all the supporting posts on the exhibit. I have a feeling I will be blown away because it will be the first time I've ever seen anything belonging to the IF.
I know I would want to open the glass and touch everything  ;D .... but I know I can't ...lol...
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Abby on November 17, 2004, 11:02:27 AM
LOL Lauren! That's what I kept saying as I went around. I wish I could touch everything! :) The people that get to pack up the stuff and set it up are so lucky! Imagine what it would be like to hold their albums and look through the pages :o just like they did! When I saw the albums I got emotional...I can just picture them sitting around in the Mauve Boduoir in the evenings pasting photos to the pages....

the favorites of mine were the albums, the water color paintings and the toys of the children. my dad especially liked Nicholas' uniforms, especially the one with the fluffy black helmet.
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Laura Mabee on November 17, 2004, 05:32:18 PM
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LOL Laura! That's what I kept saying as I went around. I wish I could touch everything! :) The people that get to pack up the stuff and set it up are so lucky! Imagine what it would be like to hold their albums and look through the pages :o just like they did! When I saw the albums I got emotional...I can just picture them sitting around in the Mauve Boduoir in the evenings pasting photos to the pages....


I agree!! I really wish I could be there to pack stuff up! Instead of the folks getting paid to pack it up. I would pay them! :D I'm really excited about going!

To anyone that has already gone, what kinda dvd's where they selling on the IF? ???
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Helen_Azar on November 17, 2004, 07:24:21 PM
I think it is definitely worth going to the exhibit! I didn't have to go that far since I live in NJ, less than an hour away, but I think I wouldn't have been dissapointed if that weren't the case either. Of course meeting Robert Massie was definitely a plus for me, but beside that, there were many interesting things to see. I have been to the Alexander Palace (the real one) twice already, the first time in 1999, and the last time last summer. I actually noticed that some things that I saw there the first time were not there this year. For example the Marie Antoinette tapestry that hung in one of the sitting rooms. I was wondering about that when I was there, until I saw it at the exhibit! Apparently it is traveling. A few other things too, so going to this exhibit sort of supplemented my Russia trip...

Of course this is all relative. You can't compare going to the "real" AP to an exhibit, but still, this was a very worth while experience. Just the watercolors made by the girls alone were worth seeing! BTW, Olga's hussar uniform is at the Alexander Palace right now, I just saw it on my last visit and even took a picture :). So those of you who plan on going, I don't think you will be dissapointed.

Helen
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Helen_Azar on November 17, 2004, 07:41:53 PM
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VHS that was made of "Marie" escaping the murders and moving to South Africa.  ::)


What??  ???
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Janet_W. on November 17, 2004, 08:52:27 PM
Yes, that's a prime example of the kind of "stuff" (politely termed!) I would have not included, had I been in charge of the selection of items.
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Helen_Azar on November 18, 2004, 07:50:47 AM
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HAHAHA!!!! You never heard that one before?


Well, I heard of all kinds of stuff, I am just surprised that they would have something like this at the exhibit!
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Laura Mabee on November 18, 2004, 10:48:22 AM
I have to agree with helen. I am suprised that they included this with the exhibition too. I know it's a very interesting topic to talk of the claimants, but sometimes it's nice to be able to talk of the IF without talking of the claimants

Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Janet_W. on November 18, 2004, 10:58:15 AM
In my opinion, the only claimant information that might be permissable at the exhibit is something well-written and well-researched, i.e. Peter Kurth's book.

I'm wondering who was paid and how much was paid to place that video and other dubious items alongside far more reputable works.
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Robert_Hall on November 18, 2004, 11:27:40 AM
I did not even know there WAS a video about Marie escaping to South Africa!!

Robert
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Janet_W. on November 18, 2004, 11:48:16 AM
Unfortunately, yes. And if the contents are as cheesy-looking as the cover (they probably are, and then some) I question, once more, why this particular video was being hawked at a class act.
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Yoyo on November 25, 2004, 06:52:17 AM
I am envious of everybody who has been or is able to visit the exhibition in Newark  :-[. I do not live in the US but I was in Canada for two weeks in october (job related) and tried to squeeze a Newark trip over the weekend. Alas, it was impossible. But I console myself with the idea that at least I have been able to visit the AP itself this last summer.

Those who go, enjoy and keep us posted.
;)
Yoyo
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Dasha on November 25, 2004, 12:54:06 PM
I went to the exhibit this past Sunday with my grandparents, and we all enjoyed it rather immensely.  My impressions are very good to say the least, and I'm still undecided about what was the best part.  Overall, it somehow tied everything together for me.  The description in the book is now matched with a picture.

I hope to go again, but this time it will be with one of my friends, and hopefully Mom, stepdad and little sister.  

To all of you who haven't yet gone, but have a chance to do so, go, because it is well worth the time and effort.

Dasha

P.S.  I hope everybody has a Happy Thanksgiving Day with their loved ones.
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Eurohistory on November 26, 2004, 10:05:50 AM
Let's remember that this exhibition now heads to Cincinnati where it will be for about 3 months starting in February.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: MelissaR on December 06, 2004, 01:55:52 PM
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I live in Cincinnati and understand the exhibit is scheduled to come here in January.  How exciting that Massie was in Newark!  Was he at the Santa Fe exhibit also?  It would be wonderful if he is scheduled for Cincinnati.


:D Good News for Robert K. Massie fans! Mr. Massie will indeed be in Cincinnati during the Alexander Palace exhibit. He will be appearing at Cincinnati Museum Center on March 23, 2005 at 7 p.m. For information and to reserve tickets (seating is limited), call (513) 287-7000.
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Alexa on December 09, 2004, 07:41:08 AM
I went to the exhibit over Thanksgiving with my mother (who introduced me to the Romanovs as a child) and boyfriend.  Despite the trek in from the city (subway to path to Newark subway to a short walk -- 2 hours all together), it was a wonderful exhibit.  My mom and I gushed over the intimate items of the family, such as the photo albums and toys.  There are just so many touching items on display.  It's hearbreaking to imagine them being used by the IF, and then remember what happened to the them.

Anyway, if you have a chance to go, go.  If you're in NYC, the trek to Neward may be long, but it's well worth it.

Alexa
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Labuanbajo on December 09, 2004, 11:55:39 AM
I made the trek to the Newark Museum and it was well worth the effort. The museum is rather cramped and you're liable to get trampled by docents leading tours but  the exhibits are carefully prepared and mounted. My favorite was a letter from a little boy in Oakland, California who wrote to the Emperor to ask for stamps for his collection. He explained that he hadn't bothered to send any American stampsin exchange  because he thought that  Nicholas would already have  all the best specimens. The accompanying text tells us that Nicholas was adamant that all letters must be answered and I wish that we could have seen what His secretary had written to the American boy.

I found a few mistakes in the exhibit's text-the most egregious one was the mis-identiification of Prince George of Battenberg (2nd Marquess of Milford Haven) as King George V in one of the photographs. But those mistakes are meat and drink to us Romanov fans.

Of course there's a gift shop at the museum. Here's a post card with a photo of Alexei and one of his watercolors.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/Larantuka/AlexeisWatercolor.jpg)
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Abby on December 09, 2004, 04:25:44 PM
 i got those postcards too! :D my favorite is Maria, of course!
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: RichC on December 27, 2004, 03:03:47 PM
Just to add my 2 cents, I visited the exhibit on Dec 23rd with my brother, who knew nothing about the Romanovs -- and now he wants to take a trip to St. Petersburg!  So, it was definitely worth it.  We took the docent tour and I was quite impressed with her.  Although I noticed a few minor mistakes, overall, she was great.  

My favorite piece was the Marie Antoinette tapestry.  I also liked the "recreation" of the Mauve Room space -- (there were four corinthian columns set up to exactly match the size of the original Mauve Room) It really was a pretty small room, yet it contained 40 pieces of furniture -- must have been extremely cluttered...

Here are a few bits of info the docent imparted which I was not aware of:

1000 servants and a security staff of 5000 at the Alexander Palace

Empress Marie was against the marriage of Nicky & Alix specifically because of the fact that Alix had Hemophiliac brothers, uncle(s), nephews. (I had never heard that before -- has new evidence come to light regarding this?)

There is an actual photo of Nicholas' bath tub in the exhibit.

All food servers had to be male, very clean, tall, strong and handsome!

All-in-all a great exhibit and very kind -- especially -- to Alexandra.  The exhibit contained almost nothing about Rasputin...

Rich
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: alexx41293 on January 12, 2005, 09:30:59 PM
I went to see the exhibit in October, with my mother and aunt, and I saw Robert Massie. He autographed our books, and he talked to us a little bit about them. I especially liked seeing "fan" letters sent to the grand duchesses; one was from a boy in America, saying that they were very pretty. Another letter was asking Nicholas to send him stamps for his stamp collection. I also enjoyed seeing the replica of Alexei's donkey. Another thing I liked seeing was the pictures of the family.
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Ortino on January 20, 2005, 06:04:04 PM
I went two days before the exhibit closed, and I must say was very impressed with their collection. The personal items they had fascinated me, especially the children's belongings. I really enjoyed those "fan letters" as well. I didn't even know that they received fan mail! Unfortunately because of when I went, I missed all of the smaller programs that the museum held and they were all sold out of those exhibit books. I had to order one from them *scowls*. Overall, an excellent display of Romanov treasures.  :)
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: mek on January 30, 2005, 08:12:26 PM
I live in Cincinnati and went to the exhibit today.  My husband and I visited the Alexander Palace last June and it was wonderful to see some of the original furnishings, especially the desk from the mauve room.  Also, there were actual fabric samples from the bedrooms of the Tsar and Empress, as well as some from Olga's and Tatiana's room.  A lace coverlet, bedshirt and pillow and pillow sham from the imperial bedroom were on display as well.  While there was a drawing of Nicholas' tub, unfortunately, there wasn't a photo as was mentioned above. Overall, it was very nicely done.
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Erin on February 01, 2005, 12:06:06 PM
I dont live in cincinnati, but we have a house there. I'm going there sometime soon to go to the exhibit!! i CANNOT wait, it may not be the real alexander palace but for now its the closest im going to get. my dad owns some franchises out there, thus the house.
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: RichC on February 01, 2005, 04:53:29 PM
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While there was a drawing of Nicholas' tub, unfortunately, there wasn't a photo as was mentioned above.


I'll see if I can find the photo somewhere online and post it.  You could actually see the inside of the tub itself.
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: RichC on February 01, 2005, 04:59:04 PM
I see that Michael Romanoff Ilyinsky will speak at the Cincinnati Museum on February 24th.  Is anyone from the forum planning to attend?  I would love to hear about it!  I wonder why he spells "Romanoff" with two F's instead of a V.
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Laura Mabee on February 02, 2005, 06:49:23 PM
Ok, I read about this.. who is this guy?
*feels like a silly for not knowing who he is*
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Helen_Azar on February 02, 2005, 06:52:32 PM
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Ok, I read about this.. who is this guy?
 
Laura, he is the guy who wrote the book A Russian Winter.

Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Juli on February 04, 2005, 08:25:04 PM
 I'm so jealous of the guys who already had the chance to go. Since I'm in school at the moment my father would most certainly not let me take a week off. I've heard the exhibit ends in May (correct me if I'm wrong) and I'm planning to go on my Spring Break at the end of March. I really can't wait  :)

I can say the thing I'm really interested to see, as some people say, the fan letters from other people.
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: mek on February 04, 2005, 10:49:07 PM
Rich C - I would love to see the tub.  Hope you can post the picture.

I'm going to the Ilyinsky lecture and I also was able to get a ticket for Massie as well.  There are additional events through May that are Russian themed.
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: DeAnochka on February 04, 2005, 11:33:22 PM
I was able to attend the exhibit at Newerk with my best friend the day Massie was there, but was heartbroken to find out that the lecture was sold out! I had my book ready for him to sign and everything! The exhibit was wonderful, nonetheless. We walked through twice just to take it all in. It was unbelievable! The things that stand out most in my memory are the photo albums and negative holders, gowns and uniforms, and little notes written in pencil that were passed between Tatiana and Olga at the dinner table. How precious!

I must say I felt quite selfish and territorial while walking through the exhibit. I kept wanting all of the other masses of people to just dissapear so that I could have some time alone with the Imperial family. I don't know if anyone else felt this way. I like to have my space and lots of time to study each object carefully. Unfortunately, I was unable to do this at the Newark exhibit. However, I am very grateful that I had a chance to go and see those precious items in person for the first time, and being so young in my years (17) compared to many others who were seeing the items the first time as well. It was definitely a worthwhile experience and a great start for many more Romanov exhibition experiences to come!
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: RichC on February 07, 2005, 05:26:13 PM
I was under the impression that Michael Romanoff Ilyinsky was the son of Paul R. Ilyinsky, who was the son of Grand Duke Dmitry and Audrey Embrey.  

I'm still looking for that bathtub pic! ;D
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: RichC on February 07, 2005, 05:33:50 PM
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I have often read how the Tsar's bathtub in the Alexander Palace was quite huge and more like a small indoor swimming pool than a bathtub. So I was very pleased to actually see a picture of it in the Nicholas & Alexandra exhibition catalog (pg. 17). I had never seen the actual tub before, just pictures of the bathroom.

From what the picture shows, it certainly looks rather deep. The book says that the swimming bath held almost 5,000 gallons of water! I was wondering if what the picture shows is the full extent of the bathtub, or did it continue off to the right outside the range of the picture? Also, does anyone know how deep this pool was? It was certainly big and deep enough for Nicholas to "paddle about" and swim in it, as he wrote in his diary, and for Anastasia to jump down onto it from the side platform. It must have been quite remarkable to bathe in this - no wonder it was a treat for the children!



Ok, I may have made a mistake.  I must have seen the picture Sarai is referring to in the catalog, rather than at the exhibition, and I didn't buy the catalog :'(

If anyone has a copy of the catalog from the Nicholas & Alexandra exhibition, could you scan the bathtub picture and post it?
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Laura Mabee on February 07, 2005, 08:00:49 PM
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Laura, he is the guy who wrote the book A Russian Winter.



Thanks Helen  ;)
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Helen_Azar on February 07, 2005, 09:59:15 PM
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I was under the impression that Michael Romanoff Ilyinsky was the son of Paul R. Ilyinsky, who was the son of Grand Duke Dmitry and Audrey Embrey.  
I think he is, but he is also the guy who wrote the book A Russian Winter...  :)
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Laura Mabee on February 27, 2005, 11:13:42 AM
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Ok, I read about this.. who is this guy?
*feels like a total dumbass*


Ok.. I think there is some clarification that needs to be addressed here.

I have received a PM about my language and meaning of this post. Let me explain.

Meaning: When someone put a * in front of something like " *Hugs*" or "*Feels Hungry*" It is referring to ones self. When I put *feels like a total dumbass* I ment that I felt like a dumb-ass for not knowing who this Michael Romanoff Ilyinsky was.  So I was not calling Michael Romanoff Ilyinsky a dumb-ass in any means.

Language: Ok, I understand that word I used above may be offensive to some, so I have since changed it to:

*feels like a silly for not knowing who he is*

If this is still a problem let me know...
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Robert_Hall on February 27, 2005, 11:24:31 AM
How silly. The term refers to a common beast of burden. Not anyone's anatomy !
Title: Re: The Alexander Palace at the Newark Museum
Post by: Laura Mabee on February 28, 2005, 11:28:14 AM
Lmao.. Thanks Rob  ;)