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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) => Topic started by: Svetabel on September 23, 2004, 07:14:07 AM

Title: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Svetabel on September 23, 2004, 07:14:07 AM
I have found an interesting photo.The description is:"Princess Ana of Battenberg and Hessian Princess".So a woman at right is the youngest of King Nikola`s of Montenegro daughters,Ana (1874-1971).
But who is a pretty little girl? She looks like Ena of Battenberg...but I`m doubt about... ???
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/AnaHessPrss.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Eurohistory on September 23, 2004, 08:31:49 AM
That is Anna of Battenberg (née princess of Montenegro - 1874-1971) and her niece by marriage Princess Victoria Eugenie of Battenberg (1887-1969), who became upon marriage to King Alfonso XIII, the Queen of Spain...grandmother of the present King Juan Carlos .

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: grandduchessella on September 23, 2004, 08:42:41 AM
Anna of Montenegro (one of Nicholas I's many daughters--some of the others being Zorka of Serbia, Queen Elena of Italy, Grand Duchesses Anastasia & Militza of Russia (aka 'The Black Plague'). He could definitely have given Christian IX a run for the title of father-in-law of Europe. Anna married Franz Joseph 'Franzjos' of Battenberg (brother of Louis, Henry & Alexander). They were childless and I don't know much about their later lives (post-WW1). I think they were financially dependent on some of their other relatives though. There's another picture from this visit I think. Their outfits and ages look the same. If it is, it was while Anna was visiting England. QV appears to have extended her fondness for the Battenbergs to A&FJ and mentions them very fondly in letters. It seems they may have often been in England as guests while visiting Henry & Beatrice and VMH & Louis.
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Svetabel on September 24, 2004, 06:59:02 AM
Thanks for help! :) :) :)
Now I`m sure -  we can see wonderful little Ena!
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Agneschen on October 23, 2004, 06:33:17 PM
King Nikola and queen Milena of Montenegro actually had 9 daughters :
- Ljubica-Zorka (1865-90) married to Petar Karadjordjevic, later king of Serbia.
- Milica (1866-1951) who married GD Piotr Nikolaievitch of Russia.
- Anastazija (1868-1935) who divorced prince Georgui Leuchtenberg to marry GD Nikolai Nikolaievich.
- Marija (1869-85)
- Jelena (1873-1952), queen of Italy.
- Ana (1874-1971) who married Franzjos Battenberg.
- Sofija (b. and dead in 1876)
- Ksenija (1880-1960)
- Vjera (1887-1927)
Neither Ksenija nor Vjera ever got married though the former was once considered as a potential bride for Aleksandar Obrenovic, then king of Serbia.
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: MarquisAnthony on October 26, 2004, 02:03:04 PM
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King Nikola and queen Milena of Montenegro actually had 9 daughters :
- Ljubica-Zorka (1865-90) married to Petar Karadjordjevic, later king of Serbia.
- Milica (1866-1951) who married GD Piotr Nikolaievitch of Russia.
- Anastazija (1868-1935) who divorced prince Georgui Leuchtenberg to marry GD Nikolai Nikolaievich.
- Marija (1869-85)
- Jelena (1873-1952), queen of Italy.
- Ana (1874-1971) who married Franzjos Battenberg.
- Sofija (b. and dead in 1876)
- Ksenija (1880-1960)
- Vjera (1887-1927)
Neither Ksenija nor Vjera ever got married though the former was once considered as a potential bride for Aleksandar Obrenovic, then king of Serbia.



Thanks for the info. I do not know much about the Montenegrans and have not been able to find a lot of info pertaining to them. 9 daughters! How many sons were there?
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Anya on October 26, 2004, 02:09:20 PM
There were only three sons: Danilo Alexander (b. 1871) who later was King of Montenegro, Mirko Dimitri (b. 1879) and Petar (b. 1889).
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Agneschen on October 26, 2004, 06:10:56 PM

King Nikola & queen Milena indeed had 3 sons. The eldest, Crown Prince Danilo (1871-1939) never became king though since Montenegro was absorbed by Serbia in 1918. He married Auguste Charlotte of Mecklemburg-Strelitz but they had no issue. Prince Mirko (1879-1918) married Natalija Konstantinovic and they had 5 children (all sons). King Nikola's youngest son, Prince Petar (1887-1932) married Violeta Wegner.

For those who are interested in Montenegrin history, I recommand Marco Houston's book : Nikola & Milena - King and Queen of the black Mountains ;  found it very interesting, with a lot of nice pictures of the royal family.
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Marlene on December 13, 2004, 02:25:52 PM
[For those who are interested in Montenegrin history, I recommand Marco Houston's book : Nikola & Milena - King and Queen of the black Mountains ;  found it very interesting, with a lot of nice pictures of the royal family.[/quote]

A superb book.   A dozen or more years ago now, I got from the museum in Cetinje, another lovely book,  The Montenegrin Royal weddings ... amazing photos from the family albums.
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Agneschen on December 13, 2004, 07:11:43 PM
Thank you for mentioning The Montenegrin royal Weddings Marlene ! Could you please give me more details about that book (author, publisher etc) for I am really interested and would like to try and see if I can find it.
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Marlene on December 13, 2004, 09:14:23 PM
Here you go.  Milan Jovicevic  The Montenegrin Royal Weddings  1988
The publisher - The Museum of Cetinje  
only 1000 copies were published,
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Agneschen on December 14, 2004, 06:12:56 AM
Thanks a lot for the info Marlene ! looks like it is going to be difficult to get that book but I will try.
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: quick on August 26, 2008, 07:15:57 AM
Hi!


I don't know english very well but I think we can't get conversation:) Mayby it's wrong place..


I have some picture, I think that this woman come from Feodorovna family, but I don't know who is she exactly. Would you help me?


(http://i38.tinypic.com/6duvxc.jpg)

(http://i33.tinypic.com/33ygtns.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Svetabel on August 26, 2008, 07:31:00 AM
And why do you think the woman is the Hesse-Darmstadt relative? She has no resemblance to them. If only some morganatic spouse of GD Ludwig IV's brothers.
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: quick on August 26, 2008, 08:16:46 AM
i suppose that she has some connection with this family. In my opinion she is similar to Alexandra Feodorovna. Unfortunately picture hasn't any signature, date.. or something like that.

(http://i36.tinypic.com/2z4jui9.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: beladona on August 26, 2008, 10:17:57 AM
Do you really see there any resemblance with portrait of Alexandra Feodorovna?? I don´t think so...quality is not so good as Angeli and portrait of "your" lady is ten (maybe twenty) years older...
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Lisa on August 26, 2008, 11:34:59 AM
I agree with others comments!
But, I've never saw the portrait of Alix by Angeli! It's so beautiful! Does anyone have it in better quality, please?
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on August 26, 2008, 05:10:49 PM
It really is an impressing portrait painted in a superb quality! Judging by the coiffure and style of the dress I'd say it was painted in the 1890ies.

If there is no signature whatsoever it will be hard to find out who your lady was... I may say that she is definitely no member of the Grand Ducal Hessian House (though I have to agree: the style is very much the one of Angeli's canvas of Tsarina Alexandra Feodorovna)

Nonetheless: it might be a prescious possession. You should contact a professional. He/she might be able to help you identifying the painter/background.

(As the Forum Admin. seems to prefer deleting some posts/threads: here my comments once again (!)
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on September 08, 2008, 04:24:05 AM
She resembles Caroline's daughters indeed. It could be the eldest, Caroline Landgravine of Hesse-Homburg. There are no signs of a royal descend of that lady. No crown no hermine or such. Hard to say.......
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Rani on June 17, 2010, 07:13:27 PM
(http://i48.tinypic.com/35d42mg.jpg)

I found this photo. And they look a little bit like members of the Hessen family. But who are they??

Thanks!
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Svetabel on June 18, 2010, 12:34:16 AM
One of the girls does resemble Princess Irene of Hesse, but the photo is of 1867-1868 years, and Irene was born in 1866 as we know.

Personally I don't think they are Royals.
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 18, 2010, 09:36:37 AM
Wow!! the girl on the left looks a lot like Irene but it can be her , for all what Svetabel said.
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Rani on June 18, 2010, 11:35:57 AM
Found it on the Hessen archive. They didn´t know either.
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 19, 2010, 08:02:55 AM
Could be ladies in waiting or close friends to Princess Alice.
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Rani on June 20, 2010, 02:31:14 PM
Okay, thanks!
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on June 20, 2010, 05:33:33 PM
They are Princesses Ysenburg Büdingen was far as I know!
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: larri* on October 01, 2010, 11:23:32 AM
I have tried thousands of times to find the Hessiches-Staatsarchiv Dramstdat photo gallery. But I can't.  I know the link of the website but I can't find the photo archive there. Could someone post the direct link to the photoarchive please? Thank you very much! =)
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 09, 2010, 07:36:09 AM
Hi!! im a little intrigued by this woman,



(http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/3465/136y.jpg)

In thr traduction of Google Chrome appears as "Duchess of Dhaka". Its her right title? and Who is she? its the first time i hear about her.
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on October 10, 2010, 11:40:04 AM
It say "Princess of Denmark" - the other word means "Ducky" nickname of Victoria Melita. The IDs are often wrong - I think that she is a lady-in-waiting due to her simple dress
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 10, 2010, 11:42:52 AM
Thank you! 
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: larri* on October 17, 2010, 09:25:18 AM
I found these two photographs on the russian state archives. They were labelled as "daughters of Ludwig IV".
I believe the first one is baby Victoria and the second one baby Ella. What do you think?
(http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy285/otmaprivatealbums/hessianbaby.jpg)

(http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy285/otmaprivatealbums/hessenbaby.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on October 23, 2010, 11:57:28 AM
It is Grand Duchess Ella in both cases
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 23, 2010, 12:34:11 PM
Really, did you confirmed it in the collection ?
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on October 23, 2010, 12:35:47 PM
There is a photo from the same sitting with Grand Duchess Alice's handwriting on it - and one sees it quite clearly
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: larri* on October 23, 2010, 04:48:58 PM
There is a photo from the same sitting with Grand Duchess Alice's handwriting on it - and one sees it quite clearly

Thank you very much for your help! =)
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: VickyandAlice on May 24, 2011, 04:28:37 PM
I can't seem to get the image posted correctly, so here's the LOC link: 

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/00650528/

Thanks!
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Svetabel on May 25, 2011, 01:23:29 AM
I can't seem to get the image posted correctly, so here's the LOC link: 

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/00650528/

Thanks!


Even with a small size of the picture it can be said that's not Alice. One more mislabeled picture.
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 25, 2011, 08:50:50 AM
The [LOC has LOTS of  mislabeled pictures. Thanks god they re correcting  them with the help of people on flickr
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: VickyandAlice on May 25, 2011, 09:18:51 AM
Agreed.  Looks like the original collector (a Martha Coddington) mislabeled the picture herself.  Any ideas on who it is?  It's driving me nuts, but the picture reminds me of one of the other ducal families in Germany. 

For the record, I think the LOC's labeling of it as c. 1860-69 is off as well.  With the hairstyle and dress, look more 1870s to me, but perhaps I'm wrong. 

Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 25, 2011, 10:20:20 AM
You re right about the hairdo :-D. Most possible its the image of a woman from the aristocracy, but not a royal.
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: VickyandAlice on May 25, 2011, 11:39:56 AM
You re right about the hairdo :-D. Most possible its the image of a woman from the aristocracy, but not a royal.

That's certainly a possibility!
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: VickyandAlice on May 25, 2011, 02:14:04 PM
Here's a larger version of the CDV that is mislabeled as Princess Alice.  The LOC's catalog record is listed below. 


http://popartmachine.com/item/pop_art/LOC+1154261/%5BPRINCESS-ALICE,-GRAND-DUCHESS-OF-HESSE-DARMSTADT,-HEAD-AND-SHOULDERS...


I'm still having trouble uploading pictures.  Even the emoticons are showing only as a small white box w/ an "X" through it...


Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: AnastasiaTheImp on May 09, 2013, 07:01:43 PM
I found this image in the Russian State Archives... It is labeled as Elisabeth, but am wondering if she is Ernie's Elisabeth? The other images in the album are from 1899-1900.
http://media-cache-ak1.pinimg.com/736x/28/9e/32/289e324251f39d50fd126c9f0afba590.jpg
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: AnastasiaTheImp on May 09, 2013, 07:05:41 PM
Sorry for two entries...
from the same album, but this one is labeled as Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaevna.
I think the two photos are of the same little girl. Ella or Olga?
http://media-cache-is0.pinimg.com/736x/a1/64/f4/a164f404f591ebeec532b7e1e100aeba.jpg
http://media-cache-ak1.pinimg.com/736x/28/9e/32/289e324251f39d50fd126c9f0afba590.jpg
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 09, 2013, 07:40:57 PM
The second one looks a bit like Elisabeth of Hesse, Ernie's daughter.
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Svetabel on May 09, 2013, 11:56:57 PM
In all your  photos is Elisabeth of Hesse.
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Condecontessa on May 10, 2013, 07:30:49 AM
I disagree....the child is Grand Duchess Tatiana. If you look at the entire album, it is Tatiana
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: AnastasiaTheImp on May 10, 2013, 07:35:03 AM
After looking at the rest of the album, I'm leaning towards Tatiana. There are several photos of Olga and this little girl with Nicholas and Alix, but I didn't see Ernie or Ducky appear in any of them.
In my opinion she's Tatiana.
The images come from here: http://www.statearchive.ru/437?page=2
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: grandduchessella on May 10, 2013, 08:25:44 AM
I think that it's Elizabeth of Hesse as well. She's been photographed in similar outfits and the hair and face shape seem to resemble her more than Olga or Tatiana. Plus, the captions on the photos themselves in the archive say Elizabeth.
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 10, 2013, 11:51:53 AM
Definitely Elizabeth of Hesse...
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on May 10, 2013, 11:53:13 AM
I'd say this is Tatiana Nicolaevna
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Helen on May 10, 2013, 03:06:46 PM
As the girl's outfit is similar to that of Olga in other pictures on http://www.statearchive.ru/437?page=1 and http://www.statearchive.ru/437?page=2, she most likely was not Elisabeth.

Also, the pictures  are said to be from 1899-1900, which is a further indication that she was not Elisabeth. When did Ernst Ludwig and his daughter join Nicholas and Alexandra on the Standart in 1899-1900?  I quickly checked  Nicholas' diaries for those years and did not find any references to any such trip in those years.
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: AnastasiaTheImp on May 10, 2013, 09:34:15 PM
I think I opened a can of worms...
I'm working my way thru the album and the actual Ella appears on page five http://www.statearchive.ru/437?page=5 looking more Olga's size and bigger (by that I mean older) than the little girl in question.
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on May 11, 2013, 01:01:27 AM
There are so many mislabelled persons and places... they even wrote "house in Baden" were it it Wolfsgarten...
Most interesting to learn that Alexandra had her own copy of the famous "Darmstadt Madonna" by Holbein...
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Helen on May 11, 2013, 02:17:56 AM
Yes, she got a copy during her stay in Hesse in 1896 as a belated wedding present. It was painted by a Fräulein Schäfer.
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 12, 2013, 12:08:11 PM
The Holbain Madonna has been sold.
Title: Re: Help with Photo IDs and/or captions
Post by: Condecontessa on May 13, 2013, 08:11:23 AM
Thank you Helen and Thomas. I was also looking at the hair length of both Elizabeth and Tatiana. There is a picture of Elizabeth riding a donkey and her hair was thick and long.