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Title: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 17, 2006, 03:18:22 AM
Dear Discussion Group,

I am searching for portaits showing Empress Claudia Felicitas (Felix). Any other information is welcome, too.

Claudia Felicitas was the daughter of Archduke Ferdinand of Tyrol and Anna of Medici. She was married to Emperor Leopold I. and gave birth to two daughters, Anna Maria Sophia and Maria Josepha. The archduchesses died in infancy.

Does anybody know more about Claudia's mother Anna? It seems to me that they were very close, because Claudia wanted to be buried next to her mother in the Dominikanerkirche, Vienna. Only the urn with her heart is in the Kaisergruft.
Because of her mother being a Medici, Claudia wasn't welcome on the Imperial Court of Vienna.
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: britt.25 on September 17, 2006, 10:58:15 AM
Such a pity that they all died so early.
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 17, 2006, 02:18:33 PM
I think that the different burial places of Claudia and her daughters are quite interesting.

Claudia is buried next to her mother in the Dominikanerkirche. Her daughters Anna Maria Sophia and Maria Josepha were laid to rest in the Kaisergruft. Maria Josepha's urn (containing her heart) is standing at the tomb of her mother Claudia. But Claudia's urn is located in the Kaisergruft.
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: britt.25 on September 18, 2006, 06:05:49 AM
I have just looked in my books about the Habsburgs and in the one  by Reiffenscheid "Die Habsburger in Lebensbildern", we have the following dates:

Claudia gave birth to two daughters, which both died very early: Anna Maria Sophie (10.09.1674- 21.12.1674) and the second one Maria Josepha Klementine (11.10.1675-11.7.1676).

Claudia herself died on April 8th, 1676, so I think her death is not directly in connection with the birth of her last daughter, but some months later, but I am sure she was weak from the births and maybe (not only but also) because of that not very healthy. If she had any special illness I do not know, but the main problems seem to have been the close relationship of her parents and ansistors, like often in Hapsburg marriages, the results are not very healthy descendants in many cases, you see this also when you look at the life dates of her children, Leopold I, her husband was like her a Habsburg and from her parents she had Habsburg and Medici blood from two sides (very closely), Claudia herself looks nice, but tenderly and not very strong in my view.
If anyone has further infos on the circumstances of her death it would be interesting.
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 18, 2006, 08:03:10 AM
Claudia Felicitas had suffered from tuberculosis of the lung for quite a while. More than six doctors, among them the famous Italian doctor Borri, tried to save her life. The ambassador Michiele, who admired Claudia's beauty and intelligence, wrote about her death. Michiele: When she died on April 8th 1676 at 5.30 in the morning, Claudia's didn't have any other attendance than God and the angels. Poor Claudia!

Claudia's first daughter Anna Maria Sophia died of convulsions and a cold. Her second daughter Maria Josepha Clémentine died of a cold.
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: britt.25 on September 18, 2006, 02:32:24 PM
Claudia Felicitas had suffered from tuberculosis of the lung for quite a while. More than six doctors, among them the famous Italian doctor Borri, tried to save her life. The ambassador Michiele, who admired Claudia's beauty and intelligence, wrote about her death. Michiele: When she died on April 8th 1676 at 5.30 in the morning, Claudia's didn't have any other attendance than God and the angels. Poor Claudia!

Claudia's first daughter Anna Maria Sophia died of convulsions and a cold. Her second daughter Maria Josepha Clémentine died of a cold.

Thanks for these concrete explanations. Where did you get them?
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 19, 2006, 02:43:12 AM
Thanks for these concrete explanations. Where did you get them?


Die Kaisergruft by M. Hawlik van de Water - such a great book!  ;)
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on September 23, 2006, 04:06:21 PM
This is a photo the sarcophagues of Empress Claudia Felicitas (to the left) and her mother, Anna de Medici in the Dominicuskapelle of the Dominikanerkirche, Vienna.

(http://www.kaisergruft.at/augustiner/images/domini4.jpg)

Here is the urn containing her heart (Kapuzinergruft, Vienna)

(http://www.kaisergruft.at/kaisergruft/images/23_24.jpg)

and here a portrait of her

(http://www.kaisergruft.at/kaisergruft/images/claudia.jpg)
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: britt.25 on September 24, 2006, 05:35:12 AM
Hello Thomas!


Thanks very much for the pictures of the sarcophagues, I have never seen them before? Did you take them yourself or copy somewhere?

Thanks :)
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 24, 2006, 07:03:18 AM
You are allowed to take pictures in the Kaisergruft, Vienna. I also have pictures of the tombs of Claudia and her mother which I have found in Die Kaisergruft by Brigitte Timmermann. On the picture, which Thomas has posted, you can see Claudia's stomb on the left. The urn of her daughter Maria Josepha is standing on the tomb.

The crypt in the Dominikanerkirche is not open to the public. But if you enter the church you can find an inscription on the floor which says that Empress Claudia was laid to rest here.
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: Marc on October 12, 2006, 04:36:57 PM
Hi,I was looking at genealogy tables and was a bit stunned when I saw how many sisters Emperor Karl VI had,although just some of them survived adulthood...Some of Maria Theresia's aunts are known like Electress Antonie von Bayern or Queen Maria Anna of Portugal,but what about others!I never heard any information nor pictures about them!They would be(I will pick up those who did not die as children):Archduchess Maria Elisabeth(1680-1741) who was Staatholder of the Netherlands,Archduchess Maria Theresia(1684-1696),Archduchess Maria Josepha(1687-1703) and Archduchess Maria Magdalena Josepha(1689-1743)...Any informations about them!Specially about those who lived long enough to see Maria Theresia as an adult!Any pictures/portraits of them?
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 13, 2006, 09:19:28 AM
Leopold I. had 10 daughters:

Maria Antonia (1669-1692), Electress of Bavaria
Maria Anna Antonia (1672-1672)
Maria Josepha Clémentine (1675-1676)
Maria Christine (1679)
Maria Elisabeth (1680-1741)
Maria Anna Josepha (1683-1754), Queen of Portugal
Maria Theresia (1684-1696)
Maria Josepha (1687-1703)
Maria Magdalena Josepha (1689-1743)
Maria Margaretha (1690-1691)
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 13, 2006, 09:47:51 AM
Maria Elisabeth

Maria Elisabeth was born on December 13th 1680 at Linz. She was a very intelligent woman. She was able to speak French, German, Italian and Latin fluently. At the age of 19, she wrote a long paper about the Habsburg dynasty.
In 1725 Karl VI. gave his sisters full powers and appointed her governor of the Netherlands. She succeeded Prince Eugen of Savoy. At her court in Brussels lived about 250 persons. Karl forced his sister to have two Obersthofmeisters: Julio Visconti and Friedrich von Harrach. They informed the Emperor about everything that happened at the court of Brussels. So no one really knows whether Maria Elisabeth or their Obersthofmeisters reigned the country.
Just like her brother Leopold she was very interested in music. In the Netherlands she was very popular, although the Emperor in Vienna didn't like her politics.
The Archduchess died on August 16th 1741.

Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 13, 2006, 10:37:41 AM
Maria Magdalena

Magdalena was born on March 26th 1689. As she lived a secluded life, not much is known about her. Although she was governor of Tyrol, she prefered to live in the Hofburg (Vienna) with the family of her brother. She was very much devoted to her niece Maria Theresia. At the age of 54 she died of pneumonia.

Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: Marc on October 13, 2006, 02:54:46 PM
Wow,thank you Marie Charlotte,I never heard anything about them...they were somehow in the shadow and that's what was so interesting,at least for me...Do you know anything about their(sisters) relationship or the relationship between them and Empresses Amalia Wilhelmine and Elisabeth Christine?I ask this because I was reading in some biography of Maria Theresia that at the time of her childhood there(at Hofburg) was some kind of ''war'' or a chaos between two Empresses,Emperors sisters and even between daughters of Emperors Joseph I and Karl VI for the order of precedence...Do you know about this?If you know something more about sisters of Joseph I and Karl VI please write...
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 14, 2006, 02:23:51 AM
Dear Marc, I don't know much about the Habsburgs of the 17th and early 18th century. But I could have a look into my books. Maybe I can answer your question then.

Maria Josepha (1687-1703), another aunt of Empress Maria Theresia:



I think that not much is known about her short life. She was a very pious young lady and died of smallpox.
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 15, 2006, 02:31:56 AM
MarieCharlotte...thanks a lot for the wonderful pictures, are they from the book about the Kapuzinergruft?

Of course.  ;)
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 15, 2006, 02:49:06 AM
Wow,thank you Marie Charlotte,I never heard anything about them...they were somehow in the shadow and that's what was so interesting,at least for me...Do you know anything about their(sisters) relationship or the relationship between them and Empresses Amalia Wilhelmine and Elisabeth Christine?I ask this because I was reading in some biography of Maria Theresia that at the time of her childhood there(at Hofburg) was some kind of ''war'' or a chaos between two Empresses,Emperors sisters and even between daughters of Emperors Joseph I and Karl VI for the order of precedence...Do you know about this?If you know something more about sisters of Joseph I and Karl VI please write...

This is what I found, Marc:

When Joseph I., Amalia Wilhelmina's husband, died and his brother Karl VI. became Emperor, Amalia wanted her daughters Maria Josepha and Maria Amalia to be taken in consideration in the line of succession. But then the so-called Pragmatische Sanktion was enacted and Karl VI.'s daughter Maria Theresia became heir to the throne. Amalia was very angry about that. After Karl's death, she supported the attempts of her sons-in-law, the Elector of Bavaria and the Elector of Saxony, to lay claim on Maria Theresia's crown. But finally she gave in and supported Maria Theresia, also because she didn't like the military actions of the Elector of Bavaria.
Amalia lived quite isolated in her rooms in the Hofburg and in Schönbrunn after the death of Joseph I. In 1722 she started to live in the monastery she had founded. 
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: Marc on October 15, 2006, 04:50:20 PM
Thank you,I was always interested in her,specially about her relations with the new Empress who comes from the same family(although different line)...Whose claim do you think sisters of both Emperors supported?Both of the Empresses were their sisters in law and both daughters of the two Empresses were their nieces...
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 16, 2006, 05:46:51 AM
Thank you,I was always interested in her,specially about her relations with the new Empress who comes from the same family(although different line)...Whose claim do you think sisters of both Emperors supported?Both of the Empresses were their sisters in law and both daughters of the two Empresses were their nieces...

Puh, what a question ... I don't know, Marc. I guess there is too little known about Leopold I.'s daughters to answer your question. I only read that Archduchess Maria Magdalena was very devoted to her niece Maria Theresia. So it seems that at least Maria Magdalena supported Maria Theresia.
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: britt.25 on October 27, 2006, 01:18:04 PM
When I read this text I see what I have forgotten thougout the years...a question: has anybody got a picture of emperor Joseph I´s daughter Maria Josepha, who married in the saxony family and became ansistor of all later Saxony kings?

I have two, but they are not so god. Has anybody got another?
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: CountessKate on October 27, 2006, 04:26:13 PM
Maria Josefa of Saxony.  Not a beauty.

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/cfarnon/MariaJosefa.jpg)
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: Janet_W. on October 27, 2006, 06:06:25 PM
But a real person. I like her eyes and slightly supressed smile. She's no longer a young woman, and even in her youth would not be considered a beauty, but still she sits for her portrait, gazing at us with amusement rather than apology.
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: britt.25 on October 28, 2006, 02:33:19 AM
Countess Kate,
Thanks for the picture! Where do you have it from?
Oh, she does really look a bit strange there, I must confess. I think both daughters of Joseph I were not considered as beauties. Also Josephas niece, daughter of her sister, who was the second wife of emperor Joseph II, was not really a beauty, or was seen as a beauty, and she was not loved by Joseph as well  :( When she  fell sick and died Joseph did not visit her at all and did not come to the funeral  :-[
I do not know much about Maria Josepha, but I have read that she was religious and cared a lot about her many children and was a good mother. Does anybody know more about her?

I have sent here the two picture, I have. I suppose that she is younger here...


(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/habs210.jpg)

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/Maria_Josepha_von_C396sterreich.jpg)





Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: britt.25 on October 28, 2006, 02:38:01 AM
May anybody of you know, where the last picture comes from? And if there is a bigger version in any book or something?
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: CountessKate on October 28, 2006, 08:57:02 AM
The portrait I posted is by Anton Raphael Mengs and is in Munich, I believe.

The Archduchess Maria Josefa (1699-1757) was married in 1719 to Friedrich August of Saxony and she and her husband were compelled to sign a formal renunciation of their claims to the Austrian succession by Karl VI.  The couple lived an exemplary married life - Friedrich August was not at all like his father Augustus the Strong, King of Poland and Elector of Saxony, who was famous for his numerous mistresses and illegitimate children.  (However, her eldest son Friedrich Christian thought his parents were not as close to one another compared to himself and his wife).  They had 14 children of whom 11, 5 sons and 6 daughters, reached adulthood.  Maria Josefa and her children were very fond of one another and very close, particularly when the children were younger, and when she had to leave her children to accompany her husband to Poland they frequently corresponded (in French, the language of the aristocracy), and later on when her children left home, they continued to keep in close touch.  The children had pet names (Maria Josefa, who became Dauphine of France, was 'Pepa') and they were encouraged to write to her without formality. 

She and her husband loved hunting, and - although Saxony was largely protestant - they were both pious Catholics and collected about 2,000 relics between them, and were instrumental in building the Hofkirche in Dresden dedicated to the Blessed Trinity.  She went to Mass twice a day and her confessor actually recommended her to reduce her 'excessive prayer'.  She wasn't narrow minded however, as she kept on good terms with the many illigitimate brothers and sisters of her husband.

Maria Josefa had a strong personality and greatly influenced her husband, functioning as an unofficial regent or deputy and forwarding her own political aims.  For example, she thwarted attempts by her son Friedrich Christian to visit Poland with his wife, Maria Antonia of Bavaria as she wanted her second son to succeed to the Polish throne.  Five of her children made brilliant marriages - her daughters Maria Amalia, Maria Anna, and Maria Josefa married the future Carlos III of Spain, the Elector Maximillian III Joseph of Bavaria, and the Dauphin of France, respectively, and her eldest son married Maria Antonia of Bavaria while her fourth son Albrecht married the Archduchess Maria Christine, the one daughter of Maria Theresa who was allowed to marry for love. 

Maria Josefa stayed in Saxony when it was attacked in the Seven Year's War by Friedrich II of Prussia in 1756, and helped organise resistance to the invaders as far as she could, while her husband fought from Poland.  She died a virtual prisoner of the Prussians in Dresden, without having seen her husband since they parted in 1736. 
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: Marc on October 30, 2006, 11:51:48 AM
I was also wondering about the relationship(if there was any) between Maria Theresia,her sister Maria Anna and their two first cousins Maria Josepha and Maria Amalia(who was also an Empress of the Holy Roman Empire succeded by her first cousin Maria Theresia)?
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: CountessKate on November 07, 2006, 03:28:31 PM
Well, clearly relationships couldn't have been that cordial as when the leading nations turned on Maria Theresa on the death of her father Karl VI, one of those who ignored the Pragmatic sanction was Maria Amalia's husband Karl Albrecht, Elector of Bavaria, who claimed the Habsburg inheritance in right of his own descent from the Habsburgs and not in right of his wife, whose inheritance from Josef I he had been forced to renounce on his marriage. Friedrich August, King of Saxony-Poland, the husband of Maria Josefa, and the Prussian king Friedrich II entered into an anti-Habsburg alliance, supported by Spain and France. The Bohemian estates elected Karl Albrecht as king of Bohemia, and he was crowned Emperor as Karl VII in 1742 - not an event guaranteed to generate much family fondness between Maria Theresa and the daughters of Josef I.  The war of the Austrian Succession ensued in which both Maria Amalia and Maria Josefa supported their husbands, but after Karl Albrecht died in 1745, Maria Amalia advised her son, Maximilian III Josef to make peace and compromise with Vienna.

As Maria Theresa's ascendency was established, the Saxon and Bavarian relatives fell into line and indeed, two younger sons of Maria Josefa, Clement and Albrecht, took military service with the Austrians.  Maria Theresa's daughter Maria Christina and Albrecht fell in love though, as Albrecht wrote, "a princess of her standing was far above a portionless younger son".  However, they were eventually allowed to marry, which shows that family rivalries had clearly been allowed to die away among the next generation.
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: beladona on April 22, 2008, 08:38:17 AM
Emperor Leopold I. had from his three marriages eleven daughters. Five of them did not survive their infancy, two of them were later married:
Maria Antonia, *Wien 18.1.1669, +Wien 24.12.1692, burried Kapuzinergruft, Wien; married in Wien 15.7.1685, Elector Maxmilian Emanuel of Bavaria (*1662 +26.2.1726)
Maria Anna, *Linz 7.9.1683, +Lisbon 14.8.1754, burried Sao Vicente de Fora, Lisabon; married in Lisbon 27.10.1708 King Joao V of Portugal (*22.10.1689 +31.7.1750)

What about the next four Archduchesses?
Maria Elisabeth, *Linz 13.12.1680, +Marimont nr Charleroi 26.8.1741, burried Kapuzinergruft, Wien
Maria Theresia, *Wien 22.8.1684, +Schloss Ebersdorf 28.9.1696, burried Kapuzinergruft, Wien
Maria Josepha, *Wien 6.3.1687, +Wien 14.4.1703, burried Kapuzinergruft, Wien
Maria Magdalena, *Wien 26.3.1689, +Wien 1.5.1743, burried Kapuzinergruft, Wien

I suppose most famous is Maria Elisabeth, who were Stattholder of the Netherlands. How did she played her role?
Is anything more known about the next three Archduchesses? Any pictures? Did they lived in Vienna? How was later connection of Maria Elisabeth and Maria Magdalena to the Empress Maria Theresia?
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: Norbert on May 15, 2008, 11:20:59 AM
Found this on google

Maria Elisabeth of Austria (1680 - 1741), archduchess, governor of the Austrian Netherlands between 1724 and 1741 .
She was a daughter of emperor Leopold I and Eleonore-Magdalena of Pfalz-Neuburg. She never married and was in 1724 appointed as successor of Prince Eugene of Savoy by her brother Charles VI.
She had enough money at her disposal to manage a wealthy court, stimulating culture and music.
She was very beloved by her subjects. Her politics were not always appreciated in Vienna.
When she died at the age of 61, she was first buried in Brussels, but moved to Vienna in 1749, where she lies now in the Imperial Crypte next to her brother Charles.
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: beladona on May 16, 2008, 09:04:34 AM
Thanks Norbert, for info about Maria Elisabeth...She had to be a strange personality to became a governor (most often it was a male part).
I found portrait of her:

(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/habsburg/habsburgaustria/1680%20M.Elisabeth-02.JPG)
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: Norbert on May 17, 2008, 04:43:00 AM
several Archduchesses became governors...she looks very strong in her portrait
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: Mari on May 17, 2008, 06:11:24 AM
Maria Theresia Habsburg (1684-1696) was a daughter of Leopold I, Holy Roman Emperor and his third wife, Eleonore-Magdalena of Pfalz-Neuburg.

She died at the age of twelve of smallpox and is buried in the Imperial Crypt.
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: Norbert on May 18, 2008, 08:32:24 AM
smallpox, thankyou Mari
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: Mari on May 21, 2008, 02:43:18 AM


Maria Magdalena, Archduchess of Austria (born 26 March 1689 in Vienna; died 1 May 1743 ibid.) was a daughter of Emperor Leopold I and his third wife Eleonore-Magdalena of Pfalz-Neuburg. She lived a life of seclusion and remained unmarried and died with out issue. She had a close relationship to her niece Maria Theresa, the daughter of her brother Emperor Charles VI and future Empress." 

http://dbpedia.org/page/Archduchess_Maria_Magdalena_of_Austria

image:
http://www.royaltyguide.nl/families/habsburg/habsburgaustria.htm
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: Norbert on May 21, 2008, 04:41:40 AM
how interesting that she was not put on the marriage market and was allowed to live a private life
Title: Re: Emperor Leopold I , his wives and family
Post by: Mari on May 21, 2008, 06:16:56 AM
Yes, that was interesting to me also. I would like to read some of the actual correspondence  between Sisters.