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Title: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
Post by: BobAtchison on October 19, 2006, 02:01:37 AM
As many of you know I was involved with the WMF - World Monuments Fund - to get the Alexander Palace on the list of 100 endangered sites for 1995.  This lead to a major effort by myself, the WMF, the museums of Tsarskoe Selo and others to get the palace reopened and raise fiunds for urgent repairs and other research work.  American Express and the Kress Foundation gave $250,000 for urent repairs to the roof over the Imperial wing.  Well it has been 10 years since the WMF issued its report on the palace - and it is still waiting to be implemented.  I have just put the report online at:

http://www.alexanderpalace.org/wmfreport/ (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/wmfreport/)

Many thanks to Preston and Scott for their pictures - I have placed three ZOOMs with the report and hope to add 2 more tomorrow.
Title: Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
Post by: Jim_Wilhelm on October 19, 2006, 10:30:56 AM
What a beautiful job of making this report a pleasure to look at and read. This is why I first visited this site and this is the kind of information that brings me back time and again. Thanks to Bob and those whose material he used to present this information in an attractive and interesting way.

Jim Wilhelm
Albuquerque, NM USA
Title: Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
Post by: Reco on October 20, 2006, 06:20:17 PM
I am sorry to throw a stone in the pond.

The frontage of the Palace Floorplan is not in horizontal straight line nor in vertical straight line.
Title: Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
Post by: BobAtchison on October 23, 2006, 10:09:55 AM
It was scanned from a photocopied page - maybe there was a distortion.  Sorry - I will check that out...
Title: Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
Post by: Scott on October 23, 2006, 11:01:18 PM
You're very welcome for the photos.  Let me know if I can do anything else to help.
Title: Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
Post by: BobAtchison on October 27, 2006, 09:39:55 AM
Scott - your photos have been a HUGE help - you really have shown us how the palace looks today - I plan to use them on our International Petition for the Restoration of the Alexander Palace.  Scott, do you have any video?

Bob
Title: Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
Post by: Scott on October 28, 2006, 05:26:40 PM
No, I didn't take any video.
Title: Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
Post by: BobAtchison on October 28, 2006, 07:26:13 PM
Any plans for a return trip, Scott?

Bob
Title: Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
Post by: Scott on October 31, 2006, 12:09:06 AM
No current plans for another trip, but I'm sure I could be talked into it without too much trouble.  My current frequency of visits wouldn't call for another trip to Petersburg until 2012.  I seem to go every 7 years -- 1991, 1998 and 2005.
Title: Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
Post by: ArchitectCS on February 23, 2007, 12:28:03 PM

Hello

Has any work been done to the roof since the last posting, or is this treasure still deteriorating?
Title: Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
Post by: LisaDavidson on June 02, 2007, 01:17:41 AM

Hello

Has any work been done to the roof since the last posting, or is this treasure still deteriorating?

Sadly, still deteriorating. Because it was primarily a family home, which is something that even those who don't live in a palace can relate to, the restoration of the AP has not been a high priority.
Title: Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
Post by: TheAce1918 on June 03, 2007, 02:38:08 PM
Sadly, still deteriorating. Because it was primarily a family home, which is something that even those who don't live in a palace can relate to, the restoration of the AP has not been a high priority.

I just can't understand why it isn't a priority.  This is Russian history we're talking about, you would expect a bunch of support from native Russians to help preserve some of their heritage. 
And before y'all correct moi, I do know a little about the financial and governmental conditions in Russia right now, and the fact that post-Soviet generations are still getting used to Democracy...and survival with the Putin government. 
I'm sorry, but it just seems too sad.  :-[
Title: Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
Post by: ChristineM on June 03, 2007, 04:58:15 PM
I'm afraid I am at odds with Lisa's post.

The Winter Palace was a 'family home' along with a number of other palaces some of which have survived and others not - the Lower Dacha at Petergof being a case in point.   Although there are plans to reconstruct the Lower Dacha, despite its close association with the last reign, it is not nearly as politically significant as the Alexander Palace.   

The reason behind the lack of attention paid to the Alexander Palace, is Russia's unwillingness, which could be interpreted as discomfort, to confront this area of her past.   Where previously, cost implications were used as a suitable, easy, obvious excuse, this is no longer the case.   The reason is political NOT financial.   Having worked directly with the administration of Tsarskoe Selo Museums for over fifteen years, I can state this without fear of contradiction.   However, there is some movement.   There is, nowadays, a degree of will.    There is an awareness that a restored Alexander Palace would prove a huge financial asset not just for TSM, but for the entire oblast - including St Petersburg city.   However, they are corseted by inertia.   An inertia not likely to move until post the 2008 presidential elections.

tsaria
Title: Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
Post by: Douglas on June 03, 2007, 08:35:12 PM
Tsaria is correct.  The whole thing about a neglected Alexander Palace is Political. What else could it be?

A restored AP would draw tourists like  honey bees to flowers.

Title: Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
Post by: TheAce1918 on June 03, 2007, 10:50:30 PM
It seems like an ongoing personal feud between Russians and their past.  Political reasons?  Good Lord it was nearly a century ago!  ::)

EX: The American Civil War was 146 years ago, and there are monuments for both sides, as well as personal issues amongst some Americans still.

I'm not saying Russia should be more like the US, but these buildings are parts of a nation's heritage, whether the government or public like it or not.  If being hostile towards mortally silent structures of days gone by, means something...then someone over there needs to point it out on an international level.
Title: Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
Post by: Imperial.Opal on June 04, 2007, 01:51:48 AM
 I agree with TheAce1918's viewpoint,with the Centennial of the Russian Revolution in ten years time, the eyes of the world will be on Russia and its rich heritage.This will be a golden opportunity for Putin and his successors to start the ball rolling, perhaps a state lottery.
Also tourists will want see the historical palaces where the Romanovs resided like the Alexander Palace.
Imperial Opal
Title: Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
Post by: ChristineM on June 04, 2007, 04:51:26 AM
The ACE118

Go tell THEM.

It is their palace - not ours.   It is their history - not ours.   It is their psychology - not ours.   It is their sensitiviitiies - not ours.

Whenever did the US suffer a holocaust that was... REvolution, World War I (fought on ITS territory), Revolution, Revolution, Civil War, Mass Exodus, Enforced Famine, Socialism-Communism/Police-Military State/World War II (fought on ITS territory), Iron Curtain/Total State Control/State-inflictedMass Murders/Economic Decline/Revolution/Economic Collapse/Extreme Poverty/Inability to feed its Citizens... and all within the space of one century?   

Think about a combination of two or three of these things - do you think they might just have an impact of human psyche?

Many of these self-inflicted wounds are, perhaps, just beginning to heal.   

The Alexander Palace stands as a totem of man's inhumanity to man.   

A large part of me now beleves it should remain as it is.   Secure the structure and let it stand as a constant reminder of what evil was let loose on the land of Russia in 1917.

tsaria

tsaria

 
Title: Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
Post by: TheAce1918 on June 04, 2007, 10:39:39 AM
Whenever did the US suffer a holocaust that was... all within the space of one century?   

First off, I am well aware of the atrocities of the Russian imperial government before the revolution.  Secondly, the US has suffered quite a bit in her short history.  Though nothing compared to Europe's tragic blood fetish, but we have indeed experienced horrible moments in a century.

1st) What I personally deem as the origional Holocaust...or as everone else calls: The Plains Wars.  What started off as European imperialism in the 1400s, was carried on by their American counterparts against the Native Americans in the 1800s, and ended in near genocide.  Do the Trail of Tears ring a bell?  Or is that not atrocious enough for your taste?

2nd) Though the number of wars fought on our territory is limited (American Revolution, 1812, Mexican-US war, Civil War, WW2, and now the war on Terrorism (nothing compared to Israel today)) From 1918-1990, the Cold War era, which all the while held the 2nd World War within its time, American blood has been spilled in Europe.  For what cause?  To help our allies against the Axis.  Why?  Because the allies decided to pit entire blame on a heavily militaristic Germany at Versilles, and therefore, ignited the internal flame that became the Nazi party.  The same goes for the cause against the USSR.

3rd) Believe it or not.  At the beginning of our history, there was constant debate on the governing body of the United States.  And if I remember correctly, we were several votes away from having an unstable government off the bat. 

4th) Carrying on from the 3rd topic, the Cold War holds what you state as the periods of 'Iron Curtain', 'Total Control', etc.  Two people come to mind.  J. Edgar Hoover of the FBI, and Sen. Joseph R. McCarthy of Wisconsin.  This was known as the 2nd Red Scare.  It became a decade of paranoia amongst the American populace.  Hoover would tap phone lines and mail addresses on people who (by informant) were said to be communists.  This had led to multiple arrests and would open distrust towards an American government that had become used to abusing its power in the post-1945 world.  How about HUAC (House of Un-American Activities Committee)?  It stems back to the 1930s with a history in Hollywood (The Famous 10), the US government.  And has had several important members and supporters like Richard M. Nixon, and obviously, Joe McCarthy.  I could go on...but you're probably asleep.

5th) Think about the combinations?  Alright.  I suppose that explains why I myself am a pacifist at heart.  Peace and no war.  Love and not hate.  But I suppose coming from you, I'm a mere child with no mental stability to my credit whatsoever.  The human psyche?  Is there such a thing anymore?  With what has happened in the past 100 years, I'm surprised humans have free will anymore at all!  But those who were innocent, are nothing short of saints for what they had to endure. 

My previous post obviously has come off as un-emotional and impatient.  Well, I am sorry about that, 'twas not my intention at all!  I can respect your opinion on leaving the AP alone.  Then I suppose that it would be alright to leave up other places of such torture and horrid recollections to human history?  I am not even going to list them, I've run my mouth enough.
Title: Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
Post by: mr_harrison75 on June 04, 2007, 05:34:04 PM
If keeping or restoring the Alexander Palace is a totem of man's humanity for man, then all the great monuments of all historical periods are. Think about the seven wonders of the world...for example, the pyramids of Egypt; 30 years of backbreaking labor, for one man...who used them for his own glory...

And why then taking care of all the other palaces of the Tsars, or keeping Lenin's memorial (Lenin, who was no better than the Tsars, and perhaps even worse!)for that matter, or (in Germany)keeping the concentration camps erected by the Nazis?

And why then France is restoring and taking care of Versailles, when Louis XIV almost bankrupted his country to build it? The peasants of France were starving at the end of his reign! France assumed their history, good and bad, and uses the building for tourism these days.

Sadly, it seems that some Russians are unable to accept their history, the good bits with the bad, and perhaps the project of restoring the palace reminds them of that fact. But just on the tourism side, it is a good move to restore the palace, because for a lot of people, when you speak of the Tsar of all Russias, the one who comes to mind is Nicholas II. They should not be afraid to build on this, even if it is just on a financial logic.
Title: Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
Post by: mr_harrison75 on June 04, 2007, 05:35:33 PM
If the Alexander Palace is a totem of man's dishumanity for man, then all the great monuments of all historical periods are. Think about the seven wonders of the world...for example, the pyramids of Egypt; 30 years of backbreaking labor, for one man...who used them for his own glory...

And why then taking care of all the other palaces of the Tsars, or keeping Lenin's memorial (Lenin, who was no better than the Tsars, and perhaps even worse!)for that matter, or (in Germany)keeping the concentration camps erected by the Nazis?

And why then France is restoring and taking care of Versailles, when Louis XIV almost bankrupted his country to build it? The peasants of France were starving at the end of his reign! France assumed their history, good and bad, and uses the building for tourism these days.

Sadly, it seems that some Russians are unable to accept their history, the good bits with the bad, and perhaps the project of restoring the palace reminds them of that fact. But just on the tourism side, it is a good move to restore the palace, because for a lot of people, when you speak of the Tsar of all Russias, the one who comes to mind is Nicholas II. They should not be afraid to build on this, even if it is just on a financial logic.
Title: Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
Post by: Nemos on June 05, 2007, 04:34:31 AM
Вроде бы воинская часть уже собирается выезжать из дворца. Кухонный корпус уже освободили. Подземный ход пока нет. ::)
Like the military unit already would be going to leave a palace. The kitchen case have already released. The underground course while is not present. :o