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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Habsburgs => Topic started by: Kaiserin Sissi on November 28, 2006, 10:54:36 AM

Title: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Kaiserin Sissi on November 28, 2006, 10:54:36 AM
Does anybody know where  this two dresses of Sissi can be ?

(http://)(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6004/008xh6.jpg)

(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/405/076ft0.jpg)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: dboro on November 30, 2006, 12:28:22 PM
The second one, worn during the Hungarian coronation, was gifted to the diocese of Veszprém, where - following the traditions - different vestment pieces were made of it. Two of them is still to be found in the Cathedral of Veszprém.
The gala dress shown on Winterhalter's portrait did not survive.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Kaiserin Sissi on November 30, 2006, 01:59:43 PM
Thank you very much Dboro for this infomation. But can you tell me the exact name of this Cathédral ?
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: MarieCharlotte on December 01, 2006, 05:09:40 AM
Here is a photograph of the so-called Polterabendkleid which you can see at the Sisi Museum - but it's not the original one.

(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6055/kleidbz0.jpg)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 01, 2006, 09:16:38 PM
Is there a book on Sisi dresses ?  ???
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: MarieCharlotte on December 02, 2006, 08:58:23 AM
Is there a book on Sisi dresses ?  ???

No, I don't think so.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Kimberly on December 02, 2006, 02:17:52 PM
Oooooh I just adore the last dress posted. Gorgeous....gorgeous....gorgeous ;)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Eddie_uk on December 02, 2006, 03:13:47 PM
I agree Kim! So lovely and feminine, would look great on you and with that train, would be perfect for work!!  ;D
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Kimberly on December 03, 2006, 03:22:06 PM
 ;D ;D One haughty flick of the train and MRSA would go out of the window :P
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Eddie_uk on December 03, 2006, 03:27:12 PM
 ;D ;D

None of those beautiful diamond stars in your hair either Kim!! Remember "Bling harbours bugs"  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 03, 2006, 05:32:18 PM
I think Sisi had excellent fashion sense and could look beautiful if she wanted too. That is why whenever she was available to appear in Vienna for a public function (in court dress & jewels) there was always great anticipation on what she will wear. She seldom disapoints... ::)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Les__Monedieres on December 04, 2006, 09:23:07 PM
Here is a photograph of the so-called Polterabendkleid which you can see at the Sisi Museum - but it's not the original one.

(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6055/kleidbz0.jpg)

This is a gorgeous dress. Thank you for sharing this picture.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: crazy_wing on December 05, 2006, 12:40:48 PM
The interesting point about that dress is there is a verse in Arabic embroided onto the dress.  I forgot what it exactly said but something along the lines of leaving her youth and freedom.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 05, 2006, 08:18:30 PM
Sounds like touches of Duke Max who liked exotic refferences.  ;)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Alixz on December 14, 2006, 06:35:07 PM
In the early 1980s I went to an exhibition at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in NYC that reatured the clothing of the late 1890s and early 1900s.

You would not believe how small Sisi's waist was.  The dress was a "mourning" dress, similar to the one in the photo above.

I don't rmember much about the rest of the exhibition, just how tiny her waist must have been.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 14, 2006, 08:30:11 PM
Yes...the fruits of her diet and exersise. She was way ahead of Jane Fonda.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Alixz on December 21, 2006, 10:12:40 PM
It is so odd that I just mentioned having gone to that exhibition at the Met in NY and then I found the catalogue on Ebay!

After all these years, I can get the exhibition catalogue that I didn't buy in 1980.

It is called Imperial Style and it features the clothing of the Hapsburg Empire.

If there are any new pictures, I will post them.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: crazy_wing on December 31, 2006, 12:15:12 PM
In the early 1980s I went to an exhibition at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in NYC that reatured the clothing of the late 1890s and early 1900s.

You would not believe how small Sisi's waist was.  The dress was a "mourning" dress, similar to the one in the photo above.

I don't rmember much about the rest of the exhibition, just how tiny her waist must have been.

I think she kept her waist at around 18-20 inches!
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Alixz on December 31, 2006, 07:24:58 PM
Here is a partial picture of the dress I was talking about.


The book was a disappointment as it showed more paintings than actual costumes and dresses.


(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k14/Livadia13/sissi.jpg)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Alixz on January 01, 2007, 11:57:53 PM
One more thing, one of the books I read on Sissi said that she was often "sewn into" her riding habits.  Also that she wore" improper underwear"  I think that was so there would be no "panty lines".  Who knows, but she was very very concerned about her appearance until after Rudoph died.  Then it is said that she wore only black and gave up wearing her extensive jewelry collection.

She is an intersting albeit sad lady.  I wonder how any of us would have done in her place.  She was so young when she married and was (as were most of her contemporaries) sadly unprepared to become an Empress.

Arch Duchess Sophie sounds formidable.  The kind of mother-in-law who sends shivers of terror down the spines of her daughters- in-law.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 04, 2007, 08:40:34 PM
She did ! However once Sisi discover the power of her beauty and popularity, she managed to keep her at arms link. ;)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 19, 2009, 02:50:18 PM
I always thought that those Hungary-coronation photos were her best. She looks stunning and that dress is awesome. Not one of other photosets of her is as beautiful as this one.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 19, 2009, 02:52:06 PM
Here´s that amazing dress:
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/th_36509663.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/36509663.jpg)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 19, 2009, 03:16:10 PM
Indeed is....
When i was in Vienna i saw some of her dresses and the one which she was killed with.... I even got postcards of them i found at home only those two... More  are comming

(http://s51.radikal.ru/i131/0901/27/d8ca8734ec3ft.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s51.radikal.ru/i131/0901/27/d8ca8734ec3f.jpg.html)
(http://s46.radikal.ru/i112/0901/56/47e81a9ce6d0t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s46.radikal.ru/i112/0901/56/47e81a9ce6d0.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 19, 2009, 03:31:53 PM
The other ones (That scanner is playing with my nerves look what he did on the first picture... )
(http://i022.radikal.ru/0901/c7/54d031094532t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i022.radikal.ru/0901/c7/54d031094532.jpg.html)
 (because the postcards are connected one by one)

(http://s54.radikal.ru/i143/0901/d5/54537c4f0f5ft.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s54.radikal.ru/i143/0901/d5/54537c4f0f5f.jpg.html)

Our favourite dress
(http://s59.radikal.ru/i164/0901/24/c6394ffece8et.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s59.radikal.ru/i164/0901/24/c6394ffece8e.jpg.html)

(http://i056.radikal.ru/0901/7d/9f7ec7c3eab4t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i056.radikal.ru/0901/7d/9f7ec7c3eab4.jpg.html)

(http://s44.radikal.ru/i104/0901/3a/6935e124cbc2t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s44.radikal.ru/i104/0901/3a/6935e124cbc2.jpg.html)

And my favourite portrait and dress
(http://s48.radikal.ru/i122/0901/86/bf376077781bt.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s48.radikal.ru/i122/0901/86/bf376077781b.jpg.html)

They are probably not new but have seen very little part in websites.... usually the first one.....
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 19, 2009, 03:34:03 PM
Those dresses were beautiful, but I bet terribly annoying to wear. Those skirts and corsets couldn´t have been comfortable at all.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 19, 2009, 03:53:11 PM
Ou they are not comfortable.... This summer there was some sort of carnival... i wore such type of dress and it's really heavy it's like you are holding a kid on your back...
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on August 03, 2009, 07:21:11 PM
.
NOTE RE: THIS THREAD

my immediate choices were:

1 photos of the empress & her family

2 her jewelry

3 dolls in her image

or

4 create a thread


--- > since none of my pics
contain a person or face
most are not of jewelry
and
none are of dolls...

guess which option i chose?  

lol   :-)


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CLICK ON IMAGES TO ENLARGE

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the carriage in which Elisabeth rode to her wedding
(brought to Austria by Marie-Louise after N's fall)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/th_epsselisabethweddingcoachmadefornap.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/epsselisabethweddingcoachmadefornap.jpg)

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the train of Elisabeth's wedding gown

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/th_epsselisabethweddinggowntrain.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/epsselisabethweddinggowntrain.jpg)

--
this gown & wrap, brought to Vienna as part of her trousseau, are embroidered w/ Hebrew
(the wrap reminds me of a Jewish prayer shawl...)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/th_CMCapture6-2.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/CMCapture6-2.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/th_CMCapture7-2.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/CMCapture7-2.jpg)

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one of Elisabeth's hofkleider

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/th_epsselisabethhofkleid1aa.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/epsselisabethhofkleid1aa.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/th_epsselisabethhofkleid1b.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/epsselisabethhofkleid1b.jpg)

pieces from her collection of mourning jewelry

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/th_CMCapture5-2.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/CMCapture5-2.jpg)

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copy of the Worth gown worn for the Hungarian Coronation

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/th_CMCapture1-3.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/CMCapture1-3.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/th_CMCapture8-2.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/CMCapture8-2.jpg)

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the gala coach the Elisabeth rode in to be crowned queen of Hungary

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/th_epsselisabethcoachhungariancoronati.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/epsselisabethcoachhungariancoronati.jpg)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 03, 2009, 08:00:16 PM
I haven't seen that jewels.

The same dress
(http://gpdhome.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c648253ef011570f166ec970c-400wi)
 More things related

(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0erd40a9rd8Ni/610x.jpg)

a copy of the stars
(http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2007/06/19/2003754622.jpg)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 03, 2009, 08:12:09 PM
I found it was Sissi's

(http://www.hofburg-wien.at/typo3temp/pics/Unterwaesche_01_73dd7bbd34.jpg)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: MarieCharlotte on August 04, 2009, 01:19:32 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/th_epsselisabethweddinggowntrain.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/epsselisabethweddinggowntrain.jpg)

It was exhibited in the so-called "Wagenburg" next to Schönbrunn. Unfortunately we weren't allowed to take pictures.

Last year we also visited an exhibition about Rudolf in Laxenburg. In one of the showcases we saw Elisabeth's underpants. They were enormously big. The guy there told us that these kind of underpants were bonded around her waist.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: gogm on August 04, 2009, 02:29:08 PM
Bonded around her waist?

By what means? Glue? Welding? Rivets? Cord?  :D
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 04, 2009, 06:42:11 PM
About Sissi’s things I posted one link in other thread about Sissi, here you can see dresses (although they have been posted), three fans, two umbrellas, a box with some things and more, Sadly the page isn’t in English but you will understand it easily, here is the link…

http://erzsebetkiralyne.wbs.cz/OSOBNI_VECI.html (http://erzsebetkiralyne.wbs.cz/OSOBNI_VECI.html)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on August 04, 2009, 11:33:24 PM
Bonded around her waist?

By what means? Glue? Welding? Rivets? Cord?  :D

.
LOL !

Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Zukunftsseele on August 05, 2009, 07:05:19 AM
Most of those pictures and a few more can be found at the official sites of KHM and Schloß Schönbrunn
http://www.khm.at/de/wagenburg-und-monturdepot/kaiserliche-familie/
http://www.khm.at/de/kunsthistorisches-museum/ausstellungen/laufende-sonderausstellungen/sisi-auf-der-spur/
http://www.hofburg-wien.at/wissenswertes/die-hofburg/sisi-museum/sisi-museum-erstrahlt-in-neuem-glanz.html
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Ally Kumari on August 05, 2009, 12:01:57 PM
Another picture of the famous dress

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/th_36509663.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/36509663.jpg)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 15, 2009, 07:20:11 PM
I think Sisi had excellent fashion sense and could look beautiful if she wanted too. That is why whenever she was available to appear in Vienna for a public function (in court dress & jewels) there was always great anticipation on what she will wear. She seldom disapoints... ::)

I agree completely with you. Not only dresses and jewels... her hairdos, fans, umbrellas, hats and all that she wore
was excellent.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 21, 2009, 07:30:54 PM
Do you know what happened with her famous stars of her official portrait?
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Erika on September 22, 2009, 02:04:04 AM
Do you know what happened with her famous stars of her official portrait?
From what I can tell from this Japanese documentary, they are at a museum of some kind in Wienna.

Maybe someone here understands Japanese and can explain what they say about the famous stars.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIbuT3k3MqQ
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 22, 2009, 07:05:13 PM
Thank you I'll see it tomorrow. And other question, do you know if the jewels that she used when
she was coronated queen of Hungary still exist? I saw copies of the dress and the veil, but anything about her jewels
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 23, 2009, 08:53:03 PM
I think some of her jewls went to her children. I saw a diamond star owned by her in a museum in Vienna.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 24, 2009, 07:59:32 PM
I know that when the Crown Prince Rudoplh died, Sissi gave her jewels to her two daughters,
perhaps the crown and bracelets were given to them, but I think that is impossible to know where
are exactly them.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Robert_Hall on September 24, 2009, 10:49:11 PM
Some of those jewels were sold at auction in Vienna a few years ago. I have the catalogue here, somewhere.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 26, 2009, 03:38:18 PM
What jewels are included in the catalogue that you're talking about?
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Robert_Hall on September 26, 2009, 04:01:07 PM
Nothing I think you would be interested in, The catalogue is in German, which I do not read, but it looks like mainly cyphers, monograms, jeweled medals and an amazing collection of jeweled, miniature collection of helmets and hats from the various  military  units from all accross the Empire. Almost like Faberge. I take these were a wedding, coronation or some other celebratory gift. The jewels themselves  are in another catalogue I cannot find at the moment. But you might try the Dorotheum Auction House, Vienna, they may have it  in their online archive.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 26, 2009, 04:12:51 PM
Thank you very much for the information, I thought that it was only about jewels.
I don't understand German :-(
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: x--anouk on September 29, 2009, 02:12:23 PM
http://img121.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=copyoftheworthgownwornf.jpg

If you need more you just have to say
I have a lot of Elisabeth things on my PC also a lot of Fashion (dresses, tiara, umbrella etc)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 29, 2009, 02:33:33 PM
I've seen several dresses, fans, and one umbrella, but I don't know if the yours are different.
The fourth one is new for me, the others were posted before in other threads. The hungarian one.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Madame-Sisi on September 30, 2009, 04:02:55 AM
i dont know if this is posted.. but here some dresses, and more.

(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8553/skwsxiv193260.jpg)
(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7884/1000059ix.jpg)
(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9231/275667.jpg)
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8145/275682.jpg)
(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9861/beaurivage3.jpg)
(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5494/bild35l.jpg)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Madame-Sisi on September 30, 2009, 04:04:19 AM
(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6216/faecherpr.jpg)
(http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/6655/imag0026g.jpg)
(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9176/l4d14bb81ca534118a07d3c.jpg)
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/4945/l9cb4d66b080c47fea804b1.jpg)
(http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/434/l018ca50368b84ea3b57b80.jpg)
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6220/l91a2b076decc49a1bde749.jpg)
(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4350/l557c3d2454b5412abc2c36.jpg)
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/7411/l894e514365034e56b1c711.jpg)
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/7248/la9ef5560dc3b41f9aa12d5.jpg)
(http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/3212/lc6dcb65b8de14e2aaa10e9.jpg)
(http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/3415/lc362ab131c9e41bb8a2c2a.jpg)
(http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/7599/shoeh.png)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 30, 2009, 09:50:28 AM
Oh my God!! Madame Sissi, the majority of the things that you posted are new for me, specially the hats, shoe, jewels and dresses
The black one is fantastic, the other of bustle tooo. Do you know the size of her shoe?
Thank you very much!!!
She was sooo elegant, and with her incredible figure her dresses must have looked incredible on her. :-)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Madame-Sisi on September 30, 2009, 01:16:16 PM
i had read a book yesterday that says her feet were size 40 (in european size, dont know which sizes they use in usa and ohter countries)
dont know which centimeters exactly..but i had read that some where 2
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: THERRY on October 01, 2009, 12:53:49 PM
Thank You very much Madame-Sisi for the pictures ! I had ever seen the pink dress !!! Do you know were is it ? In "Sisi Museum" in Vienna ?
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 01, 2009, 01:32:14 PM
Thanks for the information Madame Sissi, but sadly for me I don't know the equivalence of European
sizes... Do anyone know?? The pink dress was new for me, it must be older than the majority of the others
because it is with a crinoline, the others are of bustle, so the pink dress must be of after 1870's
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Madame-Sisi on October 01, 2009, 01:41:36 PM
Before 1870 you mean :p

no its not in vienna thats for sure..
if i remember corectly they had an small sisi museum made in castle possenhofen for a few days or somewhere near... there was the  pink dress shown.

Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 01, 2009, 02:04:58 PM
Before 1870 you mean :p
Yes, that's that I wanted to say ;-)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 12, 2009, 01:41:09 PM
I love the white lace dress. I wondered if she worn it for Valerie's wedding.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: aor on October 12, 2009, 02:37:21 PM
She came out of mourning for her son, but wore a dove grey dress.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 12, 2009, 06:57:04 PM
Is the grey one the one that Sissi used for going to Marie Valerie's wedding??
Do you know if the others were used in other important days?
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Anastasia Spalko on October 12, 2009, 07:08:50 PM
I must say, Sissi makes my very skinny bff (nearly annorexic, we joke! ;))  look fat.  And I quit wearing size 2 shoes (if that's what you meant) in, let's see, about kindergarten.  I'd hate to know how tall she was.  Let's hope she was short.  I'm sorry, but I can't help it.   It's a mystery to me how skinny people can live with themselves and nearly stavre themselves.  My stomach comes before my appearence. :D
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: aor on October 12, 2009, 07:29:12 PM
Is the grey one the one that Sissi used for going to Marie Valerie's wedding??
Do you know if the others were used in other important days?

I am not certain if that is the dress. I have seen it described only as grey silk
The Empress stood 1.72m, which is rather tall for that era, her shoe size was a European size 40, however 55 kilo is way underweight for a woman that size. I do believe that due to her 'circumstances' she was anorexic. Most anorexic get so thin that their hormones get unbalanced and their period stops.
Also, in her artifacts a cocaine syringe was found. Nothing unusual again for that time, but it is also a way to stay thin and still have energy. I think she would have benefitted by a visit to dr Freud......
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Anastasia Spalko on October 12, 2009, 07:34:44 PM
Wait... so you're saying Sissi was a druggie?  Woah.  *stunned expression*  And i thought it was a hippie thing.
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Post by: aor on October 12, 2009, 08:59:18 PM
Wait... so you're saying Sissi was a druggie?  Woah.  *stunned expression*  And i thought it was a hippie thing.

You need to look at the time she lived and the use of cocaine was accepted then, they did not know the detrimental effects it has on the human body. They knew that morphine was addictive, but not cocaine. More then likely her dr. presribed it.
It was prescribed for depression, tiredness, toothache and the sort. Actually Coca Cola had cocaine in it when it was introduced. Don't judge the timeframe with todays knowledge and eyes.
If you look over the Habsburg thread, there should be a thread about Emperor Franz Joseph and his medicine use. I think it was in this thread that the cocaine syringe of the Empress Elisabeth was discussed.
so, no, not a druggie!
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Post by: Anastasia Spalko on October 12, 2009, 09:06:01 PM
Thank you for the explanation, however, my definition of "druggie" is one who uses a drug that is harmful (even if it wasn't known at the time).  I guess I was half-way right.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Madame-Sisi on October 13, 2009, 12:43:35 AM
Is the grey one the one that Sissi used for going to Marie Valerie's wedding??
Do you know if the others were used in other important days?

I am not certain if that is the dress. I have seen it described only as grey silk
The Empress stood 1.72m, which is rather tall for that era, her shoe size was a European size 40, however 55 kilo is way underweight for a woman that size. I do believe that due to her 'circumstances' she was anorexic. Most anorexic get so thin that their hormones get unbalanced and their period stops.
Also, in her artifacts a cocaine syringe was found. Nothing unusual again for that time, but it is also a way to stay thin and still have energy. I think she would have benefitted by a visit to dr Freud......


her weight was less than 55 Kilo...
im also 1,71/1,72 and i way 50 kilo...but i eat all i want i dont get fat..lucky me i guess :p
but nowadays its quiet different!

yes the cocaine syringe was shown on a DVD of a documentary you can buy at schönbrunn or the Hofburg.
but she used it like you said in your other post, for depression and her doctor prescribed it indeed!

other time more knowledge of "drugs"..otherwise people still would have used it as a medicin against depression..
the only stupid thing with drugs like cocain if you use it when your depressed it doubles your feelings more... but well they didnt know it back then i guess
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 13, 2009, 03:31:20 PM
Sissi weighed exactly 50 kilos, was a real tragedy for her to overweigh it. She had a very strict diet, so
she could keep her perfect figure all her life and after four pregnancies. In that days cocaine wasn't considered
a drug, it was a medicine, like a modern anti deppressive. I saw the little box which she used to carry it.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 13, 2009, 03:34:08 PM
Imagine to be alive just drinking six glasses of milk everyday or meat juice. She also practiced
intense excersise even with this awful diet, so she could keep a little waist of 50 centimeters, of course
that corsets helped her, but she was really thin, in that days anorexia wasn't considered an illness
as today, I knew that it was known as the "Princesses' Illnes"
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on October 14, 2009, 04:12:44 AM
Is the grey one the one that Sissi used for going to Marie Valerie's wedding??
Do you know if the others were used in other important days?

in the book Sisi Mythos und Wahrheit by katrin unterreiner they show that dress!
it was used at Marie Valeries Engagement and at the Emperors Birthday.

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Post by: Madame-Sisi on October 14, 2009, 04:14:32 AM
its this dress for marie valeries engagement and FJ's birthday:
(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9176/l4d14bb81ca534118a07d3c.jpg)

when my scanner works i will scan the book cause there the dress is in full and beter quality
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Post by: THERRY on October 14, 2009, 06:39:55 AM
I found this photo
(http://i35.tinypic.com/r1aet1.jpg)
Gorgeous
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on October 14, 2009, 06:48:26 AM
nice thats it !!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 14, 2009, 04:24:24 PM
Sisi also look good in white too !!!
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 14, 2009, 06:51:06 PM
Amazing one dress!!! She looked very good with white, black and i think that with all the colors, she
looks very elegant in all her photos and paintings. I haven't seen the umbrella before. Thank you
very much for post the two verssion of the dress.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 14, 2009, 07:53:04 PM
I wonder when she wore white ?
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Post by: Carisbrooke on October 15, 2009, 06:59:22 AM
ANTIQUES ROADSHOW (UK)         11/10/09, series 32, oxford, (53 minutes in).

Did anyone else catch this broadcast. Near the end of the programme was the most beautiful empress sissi bracelet you will ever see, which also doubles up as a brooch.

I can do pic's, but I'm rather hopeless with links, just to say its still running on BBCi  player for those who can get it.

I do have a pic which I took from the show, & I could post it, though I'm not sure if this is allowed ? 
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Post by: aor on October 15, 2009, 07:26:21 AM
I think the dress color is a creamy peach, not white. Sometimes, colors in pictures, particulary taken with a flash come out a lot lighter than they really are.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 15, 2009, 11:45:02 AM
It is nonetheless aweclome from black....
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 15, 2009, 11:46:19 AM
Sorry I typed too fast. it is nonetheless a welcome change from black. Too bad there is no photo of her wearing the dress.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: aor on October 15, 2009, 11:56:50 AM
If it was worn for the engagement of Marie Valerie, it would have been before the Mayerling Episode and she would not be wearing black as she did after her son died.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 15, 2009, 12:15:22 PM
I was hoping it was that occation. I think she wore grey at Valerie's wedding.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 15, 2009, 12:48:31 PM
I also read that Sissi used a light gray dress, the only color that she accepted to use after she
started her mourning. But the dress below looks pink or other color like this
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 15, 2009, 01:01:08 PM
I liked very much the images that you posted Zukunftsseele, the suits and the things!!!
Thank you very much!
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 16, 2009, 05:46:32 PM
Yes. That's why I think that wasn't the dress.
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Post by: gogm on October 16, 2009, 06:49:32 PM
Between age effects, photochemical decolorizing of dyes, and problems with color fidelity in cameras, its difficult to say what the original color of a garment was.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 16, 2009, 09:35:17 PM
Indeed...Look what happened to the colouring of Wallis Windsor's clothes ! They did change colour over time.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 17, 2009, 03:59:50 PM
But reading carefully posts below I find that she wore it on her engagement, not in her wedding.
Can it be other? That was gray as we know?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 18, 2009, 12:56:56 PM
That could be it. The engagement dress. I think Rudolf was also there and congradulate his sister. I wonder where the white dress now ? In the Holfburg in Vienna or Hungary ?
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 20, 2009, 02:23:51 PM
Would be soo interesting to know!!
Perhaps it's at Hofburg, there are sevral Sissi's things there
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 20, 2009, 03:30:35 PM
I don't think the Hofburg in Vienna...I have been there already. Maybe Hungary ?
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Post by: Carisbrooke on October 21, 2009, 01:53:01 AM
The antiques roadshow has now been taken off BBCi player, so here is a pic. Its a bit fuzzy I'm afraid.

Estimated value Ł15,000 to Ł20,000.

(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/6958/dscn0457r.jpg)
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Post by: aor on October 21, 2009, 10:44:55 AM
Was the bracelet authenticated?? or just the diamant pin?
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Post by: Carisbrooke on October 22, 2009, 01:52:28 AM
All the pieces came in a original hoof type box with all the various attachments. The main piece has the sissi emblem design & the gold bracelet woven in fine gold mesh looks a work of art in itself.

All sounded OK to me, with a very genuine owner & correct provenance. I'm not sure its their job on the show to authenticate, but the expert was really drooling over this bracelet & so was I.

Having said all that I would like to point out I know absolutely nothing about jewelry.
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Post by: aor on October 22, 2009, 07:28:57 AM
I would drool too...... it just strikes me as not belonging together. However, it is a beautiful piece!
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Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on October 27, 2009, 01:52:44 PM
Found it labeled as Sissi's ring:  http://www.geocities.com/claudine1755/sissi/big/sissi116.jpg
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 27, 2009, 03:08:00 PM
I couldn't see your link :'-(
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on October 27, 2009, 04:54:39 PM
me neither
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 27, 2009, 05:04:01 PM
i can see it. Its a lovely ring
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 27, 2009, 07:54:11 PM
Can someone re post it? I tryied to see it again but unsuccesfully
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on October 28, 2009, 03:05:19 AM
and i wanna see it 2...
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Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on October 28, 2009, 04:27:13 AM
Oh I'm sorry...here is the ring:

Sorry for the small size.
(http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/43263/2419033350101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2419033350101857556KqGEJS)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 28, 2009, 03:41:31 PM
Thank you very much RomanovsFan4Ever!!!! ;-)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 04, 2010, 01:21:30 PM
This must be the dress (better to say, a fragment of it) that she wore the day when Lucheni assasinated her, or it reminds me it...
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/fandress.jpg)
Courtesy: erszebetkiralynewebs
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 04, 2010, 02:03:35 PM
Yes. She wore all black after Rudolf died.  :(
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 04, 2010, 02:41:44 PM
The only thing that I wonder is why it isn't complete... :-/ Any idea?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 04, 2010, 02:49:51 PM
Maybe the photo was taken before the dress was put in the box. She also did not use white fans but leather ones.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 05, 2010, 10:21:33 AM
Yes, I also think that this fan wasn't used on the same time, this is made with veil... wouldn't be so useful for going to a travel (the thing she did the last years of her life) or even for cover her face
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 05, 2010, 10:32:10 AM
The  piece of clothing you posted, K.A is called "bodice" and here s a bit larger and with part of her skirt

(http://strangeflowers.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/sissi_death21.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 05, 2010, 10:39:14 AM
Yes, and thanks for the correction XD Yes, I saw that photo before... I was wondering if someone has seen the full verssion of it... I'd really like to see it... Thanks!!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 05, 2010, 04:44:55 PM
I think it was in some museum...
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 03, 2011, 02:47:47 PM
From the site Kostümeforum, lovely black dress used by the Empress
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/kostmforum.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 03, 2011, 02:57:41 PM
Nicely cut and elegant.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 25, 2011, 02:32:04 PM
Again the last dress of the Empress. An exhibition on a museum of NY, the original one (the hole of the stylet being pointed) and a replica
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/VictorianLadies/1975.jpg)
Some trims of the same dress
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/VictorianLadies/trims.jpg)
Replica of a famous dress of the Empress (fragment)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/VictorianLadies/fragmento.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 27, 2011, 03:13:05 PM
From a Hungarian site, according to it this dreamlike hungarian dress belonged to the Empress Sissi. Beautiful... isn't it?
(http://www.orszagalbum.hu/pictures/nagy/1276440976.jpg)
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Post by: Zukunftsseele on January 27, 2011, 07:00:12 PM
Wow! The dress is awesome! A dream. :-)

Here a few more dresses and things that were Elisabeth's:

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/vestito-estivo-sissi2.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/W031-midsize.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/jkuzu.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/0000340275-012.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/23lywd4.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/5lthfb.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/kleid3.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/kleid31.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/kleid12.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/kleid1.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/kleid21.jpg)
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Post by: Zukunftsseele on January 27, 2011, 07:07:22 PM
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/scarpedielisabetta.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/sisi31.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/scarpedielisabetta1.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/schuhe2.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/139_52547_2.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/2s95b7r.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/ventaglioej0.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/hut_2.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/Chapeau_Sissi.gif)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/140285_32695_ho_schmuck_mit_schatten_th.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/0000339403-005.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/0000339403-006.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/anellosissi.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/13812199.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/0000340275-008.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/13812317.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/0000340275-013.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/parasoleog7.jpg)
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on January 27, 2011, 08:30:11 PM
I just LOVE seeing all these gorgeous items that belonged to Sisi...Thank you all for posting them!  :-* Simply lovely and very elegant!  :) ;D
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 28, 2011, 12:17:30 PM
Zukunftsseele you left me without words  :o Many of the things you posted are new for me, Wow!! All is fascinating, what taste of fashion!!  :-*
By the way, have you seen the shoes? They look to be big and they are. I've investigated about the size (40 in european as Madame Sisi said before) and is according to a site 9 in american size and for in mexican size  (I'm mexican) a 6 1/2.
And now Empress Sissi's wedding gown (really lovely too)  ::)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/EskuvoiRuha.jpg)

Click here!! (http://empress-sisi.blogspot.com/2010/06/sisi-eskuvoi-ruhaja-sisis-wedding-gown_26.html) Here you can see more photos of the same dress in different positions!  ;)
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Post by: Zukunftsseele on January 28, 2011, 12:52:18 PM
You are welcome :-) It's just a bit of what I have collected over the years. I have it on different computers, books, etc. and this was what I had on my laptop lol I should try to find the other things. Yes, I was a bit 'shocked' about her shoe size, too. I would even say it's 41. They look really big. The wedding dress is amazing!!! Thanks for posting the link. :-))
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Post by: Zukunftsseele on January 28, 2011, 01:17:07 PM
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/147_8092_157.jpg)
Mourning fan
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 28, 2011, 01:38:41 PM
Thank you sooo much for sharing your wonderful discoveries with us!!  :D Indeed! She seemed to have big footh and is possible as you said that they could be even bigger than 40. Glad you liked the wedding dress  :) The fan is wonderful!!
Now a replica of the dress that she used on her famous first photo. I think that this must be in some hungarian museum.
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/firstphotodress.jpg)

Forgot to say... sorry for the quality of the photo, it's quite blurry  :'(
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Post by: Eddie_uk on January 28, 2011, 02:46:28 PM
Wonderful photos, thank you for sharing!
Did not Empress Frederick write that Elisabeth wore very high heels? That must have been unusual for the time!
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 02, 2011, 01:42:00 PM
The first pair of shoes posted by Zukunftsseele have higher heels than the others (and even higher than many of the heels of other shoes that I've seen of that time), so I think that the german Empress was right. I wonder why Sissi liked those kind of heels, she was quite tall for her tiome for wanting to look even taller.  :-\
Two hungarian gowns
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Empresses/hungsriandress.jpg)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Empresses/hungariandress.jpg)
And a different one of the first hungarian dress that I posted. I recognize that on this it doesn't looks as wonderful as in the first one  :(
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Empresses/hungd.jpg)
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Post by: Zukunftsseele on February 03, 2011, 12:53:43 PM
I think I've seen the last dress in an exhibition sometime. Love it.
Here's another view of the dress I posted above:

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/Sommerkleid_03_SaschaRieger_web.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 03, 2011, 01:48:23 PM
Lovely, lovely!!! It's quite elegant and beautiful.  ;D Do you know where is it? Some museum at Vienna??
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on February 03, 2011, 02:20:04 PM
You know, half these beautiful items...I've never seen pictures of Sissi wearing them. Is this the same for everyone else? It would be interesting to post a picture of the surviving dress or the replica side by side with a photograph of Elisabeth in the gown...if, of course, one exists. I know half these things were owned by Sissi in her later life, when she didn't like to be photographed...
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 03, 2011, 03:20:30 PM
I liked your idea dear GD Andrea!! Let me to do my try. Well, many gowns make me to think in a painting (although I'm not sure if they're really the gowns), plus about the lovely gown posted below I don't know any painting or photo (it's even more complicated to find photos of Sissi in bustle gowns!)
Here is as I see them (I can be wrong)
Those are similar
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/th_HungarianSissi.jpg) (http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/?action=view&current=HungarianSissi.jpg)(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Empresses/th_hungsriandress.jpg) (http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Empresses/?action=view&current=hungsriandress.jpg)
There's no doubt about this!
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/th_firstphotodress.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/?action=view&current=firstphotodress.jpg)(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/th_youngsissi3.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/?action=view&current=youngsissi3.jpg)
Th style of embroiding is similar in both (the veil)
Painting (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Erzs%C3%A9bet_kir%C3%A1lyn%C3%A9_by_Sz%C3%A9kely_Bertalan.jpg)
Real Gown (http://www.orszagalbum.hu/pictures/nagy/1276440976.jpg)
About the hungarian gown we've seen many real photos of it!
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on February 03, 2011, 06:20:11 PM
Quote
Th style of embroiding is similar in both (the veil)
That's right! Beautiful embroidery...The style of the bodice is different, though. I always thought the dress in that painting was the same one as in the many pictures of Sissi in her Hungarian coronation gown, as the bodices of those are quite similar. But now I look and see that even though the dresses are very similar in many aspects, there is no embroidery visible in the photographs.
I am certain I saw a picture of the young Elisabeth in that lavender dress that was posted earlier in the thread, but I looked in my files at the ones I thought it was and I was wrong... ???
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Post by: Zukunftsseele on February 03, 2011, 06:28:24 PM
Lovely, lovely!!! It's quite elegant and beautiful.  ;D Do you know where is it? Some museum at Vienna??

I think this photo was from the Sisi Museum Vienna site. I'm not sure if it's still there, though.
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Post by: Zukunftsseele on February 03, 2011, 08:13:22 PM
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/b5b9f8eaa9.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/40d07dc2a0.jpg)

The dress and fan are currently at the Wagenburg at Schloss Schoenbrunn,

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/Hermelincape.jpg)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 04, 2011, 12:03:46 PM
Perhaps this is more similar in the color of the skirt...
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Empresses/th_hungsriandress.jpg) (http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Empresses/?action=view&current=hungsriandress.jpg)(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Royals/th_sisi16.jpg) (http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Royals/?action=view&current=sisi16.jpg)
About the coronation gown it hasn't those silver embroidery, it's only made of white veil (as you can see in the replicas, paintings and photos). There are many illustrations of her in hungarian gowns that resemble many of those gowns. About the lavender one I can't remember to see any exactly like this but many of a similar style that she wore on her earlier years, many of them in b&w illustrations, anyways I hope that you can find it!!  8). The only one that still makes me to wonder is the wedding gown, the illustrations always show different styles of the one that was the same dress!!
Thanks Zukunftsseele for the info and great pics!!  :-*
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on February 04, 2011, 12:38:39 PM
Perhaps this is more similar in the color of the skirt...
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Empresses/th_hungsriandress.jpg) (http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Empresses/?action=view&current=hungsriandress.jpg)(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Royals/th_sisi16.jpg) (http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Royals/?action=view&current=sisi16.jpg)
Yes, definitely. I wonder why Hungarian traditional dress always has that little apron at the front... ???
Morning gown: http://www.gogmsite.net/_Media/morning_dress_from_sissi_mu.jpg
Cape and hat from the 1880s or '90s: http://www.gogmsite.net/_Media/mantle_from_sissi_museum_we.jpg
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 05, 2011, 09:01:20 AM
I like both! The cape must be from the 1890's when she was already in mourning. Now I found this collage of Sissi's dresses (replicas) online, I've already posted some of them but here you can see them from a different position  :)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/ropasissi.jpg)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on February 06, 2011, 04:52:40 PM
The bottom right one below the black velevet is definetley this one: http://www.the666.com/fotos/sissi12.jpg
I wonder what the white one with embroidery next to the uniform (Franz Josef's?) is based on...never seen a picture of that.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 08, 2011, 01:03:47 PM
You're totally right Andrea! Is the same gown.
I was thinking that the black one (below the jewels) its perhaps this
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/th_BlackLady.jpg) (http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/?action=view&current=BlackLady.jpg)

About the wedding gown, after searching on my Sissi CD the one that looked more similar was this (although the sleeves aren't the same)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/th_EskuvoiRuha.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/?action=view&current=EskuvoiRuha.jpg)(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/th_Boda1.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/?action=view&current=Boda1.jpg)

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I wonder why Hungarian traditional dress always has that little apron at the front...
The majority of traditional hungarian gowns have an apron, not all. I don't think that it has a special meaning but being only their style.

I wonder what the white one with embroidery next to the uniform (Franz Josef's?) is based on...never seen a picture of that.
I think that it must be Franz Joseph's. I have never seen any hussar uniform of Franz Joseph (neither the one used in the Coronation), so I think that it must be his (I doubt that it belonged to other man... Who??  :-\ )



Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on February 08, 2011, 07:12:10 PM
Quite right about the black one!
I know I have a picture (actually engraving) of Sissi's wedding gown that looks remarkably like the replica. It's in a book though. I'll see if it's the one the replica is based on and scan it.
Now we only have to identify that white one with the big poufy sleeves... (out of the little collage you made, I mean. There's still quite a few more pieces left to find pictures of!)

Not sure if this is the same replica of the Hungarian coronation gown as the one posted before, but it's a different view:
http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/gallery/090709/GAL-09Jul09-2284/media/PHO-09Jul09-169185.jpg
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 09, 2011, 11:54:59 AM
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Now we only have to identify that white one with the big poufy sleeves... (out of the little collage you made, I mean. There's still quite a few more pieces left to find pictures of!)
Which one? The one between the jewels and the black velvet dress?? ohhh!! if this is the one you're talking about there's no problem, is the replica of the famous sparkling tulle gown that she used on her famous Winterhalter's official portrait  This!! (http://www.erasofelegance.com/arts/gallery/winter/winterhalter10.jpg) You can see that the portrait is placed in front of the dress! Although I think that it isn't as beautiful as the original one  :(

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know I have a picture (actually engraving) of Sissi's wedding gown that looks remarkably like the replica. It's in a book though. I'll see if it's the one the replica is based on and scan it.
It must be one that I don't have, please post it!!  ;) I really wanna see it!!

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Not sure if this is the same replica of the Hungarian coronation gown as the one posted before, but it's a different view:
There are many different views of the same dress, here I have one that shows its back. Sorry for the size, there isn't a bigger one available  :'(
 (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/espalda.jpg)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on February 09, 2011, 11:58:11 AM
Oh, I love the veil! Really quite a pity the photo isn't bigger!
I'll scan the picture as soon as I get a chance, probably later today. And, no, I did not mean the one in between the jewels and the black velvet, but the one right below that one, with the laced bodice and green and red embroidery.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on February 09, 2011, 03:10:51 PM
OK, here is the dress:
(http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/2720/weddingdressy.jpg)
It looks pretty similar to the replica!
(sorry for the strip at the bottom and the light color quality. It looked better in my book!)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Zukunftsseele on February 09, 2011, 05:06:10 PM
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Not sure if this is the same replica of the Hungarian coronation gown as the one posted before, but it's a different view:

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There are many different views of the same dress, here I have one that shows its back. Sorry for the size, there isn't a bigger one available  :'(
 (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/espalda.jpg)

Here is an XXL version of the dress. You can see all the details:
http://www.hofburg-wien.at/uploads/tx_sbdownloader/ungarischesKroenungskleid__small_SR.jpg

And a bigger version of the picture you posted:
http://www.hofburg-wien.at/uploads/tx_extgalerie/ungarisches_Kroenungskleid_web.jpg
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Zukunftsseele on February 09, 2011, 05:17:18 PM
Here are some press fotos of the opening of the exhibition at the Wagenburg in Vienna where you can see a few of the dresses that are shown there and a few carriages:

http://pressefotos.at/main.php?g=1&sid=zqxylmsopkuxvlyrypllkvkovpwmnusvvtlnoyrsrqvnkprurvwz&dir=200805&u=38&e=20080529_t&a=event&start=63
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on February 09, 2011, 05:55:07 PM
Be-ea-utiful!! Thank you, Zukunftsseele!
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 10, 2011, 01:31:52 PM
Thank you very very much Zukunftsseele!!!  ;) Great pics all!! Andrea I haven't seen that pic labeled as Sissi before! Really good discovery, the dress really resembles the one posted here!!  ;D Thank you too!!
Well, the Winterhalter's portrait replica in bigger (the whig looks funny for only being a fragment!)  ::)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/winterhalter.jpg)
In another sight
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/granddress.jpg)
And another gown
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/gownvelvet.jpg)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 10, 2011, 01:48:02 PM
Good news! Bigger verssion of those... (for seeing the bodices and details of the skirts)  :)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/hungaro2.jpg)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/hungaro1.jpg)
Better quality and other sight
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/primervestido.jpg)
The Empress' corsette and other things
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/corsette.jpg)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: THERRY on February 11, 2011, 02:19:02 AM
Wonderful !!!!
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 11, 2011, 12:03:39 PM
Found this hungarian site (http://blog.kredigra.org/?tag=erzsebet-kiralyne-ruha) full of photos about Empress Sissi's gowns, many of them have been posted before (except the black one from her famous photoshot) but here you can see more details of the clothes and their trims! Plus at last the patterns of one of the dresses (I think that is of the famous coronation gown, if I'm not wrong)
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on February 11, 2011, 04:35:17 PM
WONDERFUL!!! Thank you!!  ;D Absolutley beautiful!!  :D
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 14, 2011, 12:31:08 PM
Two more gowns I found on a german site (Sorry for the size)
It has 1875 as date
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/goldenes.jpg)
A crinoline one
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/unter.jpg)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Laura_ on February 14, 2011, 01:51:10 PM
Well, the Winterhalter's portrait replica in bigger (the whig looks funny for only being a fragment!)  ::)
http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/winterhalter.jpg
In another sight
http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/granddress.jpg

beautiful!!!the most stunning gowns everr!!!:X:X
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 15, 2011, 02:11:03 PM
This site (http://m.extratipp.com/nachrichten/stars/kaiserin-elisabeth-bilder-eines-mythos-493266.html?i=19&dt=true&art=/nachrichten/stars/sisi-kehrt-zurueck-bildschirm-534028.html) includes many photos of things that belonged or are related to the Empress (like a shoe or a silver fan)...
Posted this time ago, but now without the watermark for seeing much better the details
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/ultimovestido.jpg)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 17, 2011, 02:00:50 PM
From a Russian site of the Beau Rivage hotel, the gloves of the Empress with a list in French with names (the Empress first)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/gloves.jpg)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Zukunftsseele on February 18, 2011, 06:49:05 PM
You can find this one on the official site of the Beau Rivage, too. I wished I could look through this guestbook. :-))
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Zukunftsseele on February 18, 2011, 07:50:32 PM
Shoes of the Empress from 1856.

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/halbschuhemitschnallen1856.jpg)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 22, 2011, 12:47:55 PM
Thank you Zukunftsseele, is the first time that I see a different model of shoes of Sissi  :)
Not exactly a dress, but this belonged her
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/P1000736.jpg)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on February 22, 2011, 01:12:18 PM
What is it?
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 22, 2011, 02:06:36 PM
What is it?

The caption that it had was the next: Tanzbüchlein der Kaiserin, I tryied to translate it on google but didn't get a good result, some help from the ones who know German will be welcome  :)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on February 22, 2011, 02:11:12 PM
I tried translating just "Tanzbüchlein" and it said it meant "Dance booklet" so it must be a sort of dance card-thingy, except a book.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Zukunftsseele on February 22, 2011, 04:46:47 PM
It's what we call Ballspende or Damenspende here, a kind of gift to the people who are attending the ball. It was a little gift that usually contained the photo or portrait of the Emperor or the Empress, or another member of the Habsburg family. That's why I am not sure it belonged to Elisabeth. Maybe the caption is wrong. Maybe someone just got it from her. Anyway... A gift like this could also be a little golden candy box, tissue with initials, brooch, etc... Very popular were those kind of dance booklets or cards. Anyone who watched the SISSI movies probably remembers that on the first ball when Elisabeth and Franz meet, Carl Ludwig asks her, if he can have a dance and write his name into her dance card.

A few other examples of Ballspenden / Damenspenden:

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/ballspende.jpg)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/BWHQuqgBGkKGrHgoOKiYEjlLmep38BKV4QK1drg_35.jpg)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/10538.jpg)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: EmpressSissi on May 07, 2011, 11:16:07 AM
From a Hungarian site, according to it this dreamlike hungarian dress belonged to the Empress Sissi. Beautiful... isn't it?
(http://www.orszagalbum.hu/pictures/nagy/1276440976.jpg)

Hello Everybody,

This gown wasn't belonged to Sisi, it's a hungarian baroque gown, belonged to an hungarian aristocratic lady, unfortunatly I can't remember her name.

I have to added some information of Sisi's reproductions... Lot's of made by Mónika Czédly, please mention her name, I think she deserve it. It was a really big work, and the iupshot was amazing.
Another thing that you froget, many pics are from also a hungarian forum(http://forum.index.hu/Article/showArticle?t=9118767), please also mention it. We glad, if you can use our pics, but don't forget to mention the source, I think it's faire.

I hope, I don't bother anybody, and my english wasn't awful, have a nice day :)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Zukunftsseele on May 07, 2011, 12:28:41 PM
I think if people know the source, they will and should mention it. Like you said, it's only fair. The tricky thing is though that some of the pictures have been floating around in the world-wide-web for ages and been posted on various sites (I think you will even find those in your forum) and it's hard to say where they are originally coming from. Personally, I try to mention the source whenever possible.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: EmpressSissi on May 07, 2011, 01:22:37 PM
I think if people know the source, they will and should mention it. Like you said, it's only fair. The tricky thing is though that some of the pictures have been floating around in the world-wide-web for ages and been posted on various sites (I think you will even find those in your forum) and it's hard to say where they are originally coming from. Personally, I try to mention the source whenever possible.

That's true, thanks for the mention:)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 09, 2011, 01:33:50 PM
To EmpressSissi:

I must apologize for this big mistake commited by me!  :-[ I don't know hungarian and the results that I got of the translator at that site were that this dress belonged to Sissi, thanks for the correction. And also I apologize for not including mention of the site or the name of the designer (in fact I didn't knew so at not understanding properly to the info), thing that I'll always do after this incident.

To the mods:

Please feel free to delete the images wrong located here.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on May 09, 2011, 05:15:42 PM
I thought that dress didn't look like it was from Sissi's time! Beautiful gown, though. Now I see that it is Baroque, late Baroque, by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: EmpressSissi on May 12, 2011, 06:45:08 AM
To EmpressSissi:

I must apologize for this big mistake commited by me!  :-[ I don't know hungarian and the results that I got of the translator at that site were that this dress belonged to Sissi, thanks for the correction. And also I apologize for not including mention of the site or the name of the designer (in fact I didn't knew so at not understanding properly to the info), thing that I'll always do after this incident.

To the mods:

Please feel free to delete the images wrong located here.

Translators sometimes tricks you, don't feel yourself bad... Hungarian fashion was absolutley different from baroque to a victorian era, and Hungary isn't an well -known country (unfortunetly:() so I "forgive" you :))))

I'm Hungarian, so I have to recognize our fashion:)))
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 24, 2011, 01:54:21 PM
The replicas of the hungarian gowns of Sissi in close up
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/maxi.jpg)

Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on May 24, 2011, 08:10:17 PM
Utterly, utterly gorgeous!! I want a dress like one of those!  :D

Shoes of the Empress from 1856.

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/halbschuhemitschnallen1856.jpg)
Those are very interesting shoes from 1856...
And something funny I've always wondered about antique gloves...why are they always so flat? If you look at the picture of the gloves by the Beau Rivage hotel register, they seem like no adult could fit their hands into them! Have they been pressed to preserve them? Or perhaps Elisabeth just had very slender hands.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 03, 2011, 12:36:16 PM
I was making a fast search today at google and I found this site, it is in hungarian and I don't understand it so much but there was a black and white photo depicting a lovely hungarian black dress that seemed to belong to Sissi with some accesories, I found it very beautiful but please, for the ones who know hungarian let me to know if it really belonged Sissi
Click here!!! (http://www.erzsebetszobor.eoldal.hu/fenykepek/elpusztult-szobrok/budapest----erzsebet-kiralyne-emlekmuzeum/budapest----erzsebet-kiralyne-emlekmuzeum-12.html)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 03, 2011, 05:07:49 PM
Looked like the contents of a traveling suitcase.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: aor on November 04, 2011, 09:33:02 AM
Looked like the contents of a traveling suitcase.

Eric, I do not know of anyone that takes a wooden closet with them on their travel.......... It is obviously a display closet!
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 04, 2011, 10:25:31 AM
it looks more like just a showcase, not one of those "Louis Vuitton" wardrobe trunks
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 04, 2011, 03:20:27 PM
A literal trunk show I guess. Elisabeth was an empress and so I don't think she had to worry about excess baggage.
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Post by: aor on November 07, 2011, 08:44:12 AM
A literal trunk show I guess. Elisabeth was an empress and so I don't think she had to worry about excess baggage.
I guess not if you travel with cattle.........
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 08, 2011, 01:47:57 PM
Not really. Although Sisi liked farm animals as a girl.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: aor on November 08, 2011, 05:45:18 PM
Not really. Although Sisi liked farm animals as a girl.

Eric, REALLY!!!  ::)I am assuming an avid historian like yourself would have read the Reluctant Empress, by Brigitte Hamann.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 09, 2011, 08:57:52 PM
I did. Sisi loved animals more than people.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Zukunftsseele on November 11, 2011, 05:24:05 PM
It's not a traveling suitcase. This is part of an exhibition. The text under the picture says "The Queen's Hungarian gown which she weared on the Millenium Feast.
(of Hungary...)"  ;)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 11, 2011, 10:07:23 PM
I wonder how many of Sisi's gowns were preserved ?
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 12, 2011, 06:40:45 PM
It's not a traveling suitcase. This is part of an exhibition. The text under the picture says "The Queen's Hungarian gown which she weared on the Millenium Feast.
(of Hungary...)"  ;)

Thanks for the translation of the caption Zukunftsseele; I didn't imagine that Sissi wore that beautiful dress on a celebration as important as the 1896 Millenium! I read once that she wore all black but never thought that the dress still existed!!  :o ;)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Zukunftsseele on November 13, 2011, 04:37:45 AM
Well, it seems to be an old newspaper article and photo, so it's not sure it still exists. Maybe somebody knows for sure.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Zukunftsseele on November 13, 2011, 04:38:20 AM
It's not a traveling suitcase. This was part of an exhibition. The text under the picture says "The Queen's Hungarian gown which she weared on the Millenium Feast.
(of Hungary...)"  ;)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 13, 2011, 08:38:19 AM
Where is that dress now ? In Hungary ?
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Zukunftsseele on November 13, 2011, 06:04:19 PM
I don't know. Maybe it doesn't exist anymore at all. Who knows, after two wars and all that.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 13, 2011, 08:22:39 PM
I think one or two are in the Austrian Archives.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 14, 2011, 02:49:47 PM
Well, it seems to be an old newspaper article and photo, so it's not sure it still exists. Maybe somebody knows for sure.

That's true, I haven't thought about this!! This photo can be from not much time after Sissi's death. Well, I must correct my statement, I didn't imagine that there was a photo of the dress (I only can remember a painting of that event and the Empress wearing a black gown). I expect that it has survived to the two disastrous World Wars  :( More info about the whereabouts of it will be very welcome!  :)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 14, 2011, 03:22:01 PM
Some of the Empress's personal jewels did survive and were shown in the museum in Vienna.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Zukunftsseele on November 14, 2011, 06:36:43 PM
Some can be found in the "Jewels of the Habsburgs" thread:
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=1764.0
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Zukunftsseele on November 14, 2011, 06:41:32 PM
Well, it seems to be an old newspaper article and photo, so it's not sure it still exists. Maybe somebody knows for sure.

That's true, I haven't thought about this!! This photo can be from not much time after Sissi's death. Well, I must correct my statement, I didn't imagine that there was a photo of the dress (I only can remember a painting of that event and the Empress wearing a black gown). I expect that it has survived to the two disastrous World Wars  :( More info about the whereabouts of it will be very welcome!  :)

You mean the painting by Gyula Benczur, I guess:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/-2Q_6dbUROKs/TDM5DhfQ31I/AAAAAAAAM_I/KIX5LMR_cbw/DSCF8033-spec.jpg
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 15, 2011, 07:44:36 AM
Yes. The dress she wore and the trunk show is identical.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 15, 2011, 06:16:13 PM
You mean the painting by Gyula Benczur, I guess:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/-2Q_6dbUROKs/TDM5DhfQ31I/AAAAAAAAM_I/KIX5LMR_cbw/DSCF8033-spec.jpg

Indeed Zukunftsseele, I was thinking at that portrait! I don't know any other painting of the same event (well, only a pair of drawings). The painting seems to be based really on the original dress (considering that many portraits were simply invented by the painters...)

Some can be found in the "Jewels of the Habsburgs" thread:
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=1764.0

But no the ones used on the 1896 Millenium... am I wrong? :-?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 16, 2011, 09:14:03 AM
Sisi had a lot of black dresses. She wore most of this color in her later years.
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Post by: aor on November 16, 2011, 11:18:13 AM


You mean the painting by Gyula Benczur, I guess:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/-2Q_6dbUROKs/TDM5DhfQ31I/AAAAAAAAM_I/KIX5LMR_cbw/DSCF8033-spec.jpg
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I am thinking that this portrait is based on a photograph in order for the painter to get the all details of the dress right........

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Post by: Zukunftsseele on November 16, 2011, 12:51:42 PM
Around that time, Elisabeth didn't allow any photos being taken of her anymore, so I doubt that.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 16, 2011, 02:05:12 PM
Based upon earlier photos or paintings. The black dress may be the one worn at that time.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 16, 2011, 02:44:07 PM
I am thinking that this portrait is based on a photograph in order for the painter to get the all details of the dress right........

Deffinitively the only photos of Sissi taken in old age were the ones that she didn't notice. Agree with Zukunftsseele that it isn't possible that she allowed to be photographed, not minding that the 1896 Millenium was an official event. What I think (only speculation of course) is that the painter surely based on a former photo or painting of Sissi (nothing strange at seeing all her portraits in old age, even worse the posthumus ones, like the one made by Lazslo at 1899, Sissi looks so young but wearing clothes of the time when it was made) and perhaps he got to see the real dress (or he was on the event, sometimes painters were on the events that they after painted) and perhaps with both things he made the portrait.... :-?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 16, 2011, 03:28:07 PM
Most likely he used an early portrait as model. The dress was well known since she did wore it for the event.
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Post by: Zukunftsseele on November 16, 2011, 03:52:28 PM
Based upon earlier photos or paintings. The black dress may be the one worn at that time.

If so, then only based on earlier paintings. Because by the time she wore black, after Rudolf's death, she had already stopped having her photo taken.

I think with all the black dresses, it's nearly impossible to say which one she wore that day for sure. Another mystery to add to the Empress' life. ;-)
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Post by: aor on November 17, 2011, 09:48:55 AM
Reason I was thinking it be a photograph, is the position of some of the people, looking directly at the 'painter/photographer' while FJ is speaking........that is strange to me.
I do believe there are photo's of the Empress in later life, but in Family Archives, specially in Hungary and not for 'our' eyes.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 17, 2011, 02:45:24 PM
Maybe we could find out more...
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 17, 2011, 05:14:42 PM
I do believe there are photo's of the Empress in later life, but in Family Archives, specially in Hungary and not for 'our' eyes.
I still doubt that there are photos of her taken in old age by her wish (at considering that she stopped having them at her 30's when she was still young and beautiful), even if they only would belong to her family, she had her ideas about that issue. Anyways, if they exist I hope that one day we can know them  ;)

[I think with all the black dresses, it's nearly impossible to say which one she wore that day for sure. Another mystery to add to the Empress' life. ;-)

This is totally true, she wore black for her last nine years, so an specific one wouldn't make a great difference...
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Post by: Zukunftsseele on November 18, 2011, 04:57:14 AM
Totally agree with you, Yelena. Photos for family would have been to risky because sooner or later, some photos might have got lost and reach the public. But the point was not that she was afraid someone could see her. She simply didn't WANT to see herself on a photo from the age of 30 on. She was most beautiful around that age and she knew from that point on, things would get worse again. It would have felt for her like watching her beauty disappear AND having proof of it in a photo. If I remember correctly, there is a quote from Elisabeth in a book where she says something like that.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 18, 2011, 04:19:44 PM
But I think they knew which dress she wore...even though it was black.
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Post by: Zukunftsseele on November 20, 2011, 07:18:33 AM
Who is 'they'?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 20, 2011, 12:35:20 PM
The court officials. Those in charge of propaganda. Sisi was very popular even though she "retired" from public view after the death of Rudolf.
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Post by: Zukunftsseele on November 25, 2011, 06:17:28 AM
The court officials, yes, that's right.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 26, 2011, 02:05:45 PM
They were also the ones who "aged" Sisi's early photos to suggest a later session. I don't know if that was what Sisi looked like at that age.
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Post by: Linnie on November 28, 2011, 05:40:20 PM
There is a picture of an aged Empress Elisabeth in the boolk L'impératrice anarchistem by C. Clément.
It is quite surprising that the picture isn't better known.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 29, 2011, 12:28:37 PM
Was that the one of her on the writing table ?
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Post by: Linnie on November 29, 2011, 06:19:26 PM
Yes, that one! It was taken, it says, around Christmas 1891. I wonder who owns that picture and if there are any more...
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Post by: Linnie on November 29, 2011, 06:28:05 PM
There is a picture of an aged Empress Elisabeth in the boolk L'impératrice anarchiste by C. Clément.
It is quite surprising that the picture isn't better known.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 30, 2011, 03:17:39 PM
Was that the one of her on the writing table ?
Yes, that one! It was taken, it says, around Christmas 1891. I wonder who owns that picture and if there are any more...

Aren't you talking about this (http://www.lessing-photo.com/dispimg.asp?i=260202+1+&cr=1&cl=1)? Because in this case none of them is Empress Sissi but two of her ladies in waiting as Madame Sissi once discovered. The only one, really showing her aged that comes to my mind is the one of her at Terriet with a lady in waiting (1898)
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Post by: Linnie on December 01, 2011, 12:06:38 PM
Yes, that is the picture that I am talking about. So, who are the women? And do you know where is that post from Madame Sissi?
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Post by: Linnie on December 01, 2011, 06:13:11 PM
I have found it.
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?action=profile;u=40073;sa=showPosts
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 10, 2012, 12:39:30 PM
From a Russian site. Another sight of this dress. I can't avoid to be shocked by the little waist....  :o :o :o
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/plat.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 11, 2012, 07:49:28 AM
She was anorexic before it was fashionable by Princess Diana. She drank meat juice (literally blood) during dinner, and it made her husband disgusted...
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 23, 2012, 02:30:26 PM
The next comes from a hungarian forum, in my opinion this is the most beautiful replica that I've ever seen of that amazing dress, the one she wore on her Silver Wedding Annivessary. Even the trimms of the skirt are as detailed as on the painting  ::)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/th_replica.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/?action=view&current=replica.jpg)

It seems to be on a museum, if anyone knows please tell us!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 24, 2012, 11:34:28 AM
Sisi was a very stylish woman.  ;)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 27, 2012, 12:33:43 PM
The bodice of Sissi's last dress, a different sight of it (the hole is also noticeable) but unlike the other verssions that I've seen of it, this doesn't look as greyish as the others. I really wish to see the full gown (the complete skirt) of it!!
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/alzbetarakouska.jpg)

Source: alzbetarakouska
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 27, 2012, 05:39:14 PM
She must be super thin. I think only Audrey Hepburn could fill into that dress.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 01, 2012, 12:22:03 PM
Another sight of this gown, it still sparks! Near it are other items that surely belonged to the Empress
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/gownsissi.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 01, 2012, 02:53:26 PM
Think the dress is black silk with lots of lace...
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 20, 2012, 02:42:12 PM
Some more dresses of the elegant Sissi...
The back
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/zsissi2.jpg)
Posted before, but I think that in this photo the bodice can be seen better. By the way, it makes me to think a lot about her last dress.
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/zsissi.jpg)
Replica of the famous Worth dress, the back, and the tulle sparks!!
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/zsissi1.jpg)
Another gown
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/zsissi3.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 21, 2012, 01:58:22 PM
And this post if for shoes!!
Source: kiralyneblogs
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/botakiralyneblog2.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/bota.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/botakiralyneblog.jpg)
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Post by: Jen_94 on March 21, 2012, 03:38:32 PM
Fantastic photos! That replica of the Worth dress is beautiful.

I wonder what happened to the real one..?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 22, 2012, 04:01:27 PM
I think Sisi probably got rid of it. Her wardrobe wasn't huge at the time of her death. 
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 29, 2012, 07:12:25 PM
The next comes from a hungarian forum, in my opinion this is the most beautiful replica that I've ever seen of that amazing dress, the one she wore on her Silver Wedding Annivessary. Even the trimms of the skirt are as detailed as on the painting  ::)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/th_replica.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/?action=view&current=replica.jpg)

Another sight, better way to see the details

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/th_Silberbraut.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/?action=view&current=Silberbraut.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 29, 2012, 11:01:11 PM
Sisi always have great taste in clothes
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Post by: Jen_94 on May 30, 2012, 04:20:22 PM
She certainly did! That dress is beautiful, Yelena.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 30, 2012, 07:12:12 PM
I wonder how many dressed she left at the time of her death.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 31, 2012, 09:15:37 AM
I wonder how many dressed she left at the time of her death.

This made me to think about one thing: anyone knows how many times she renewed the clothes of her wardrobe? Also what she did with the "old" clothes, perhaps if she gave all them to her ladies in waiting. Well, I knew that she wasn't one of those ladies who wore her clothes/shoes just once (am I wrong?). I'm sure that she left several dresses at the time of her death, sadly not much survived until our time, at seeing that many of the items available are just replicas. Many must have damaged or were lost, I wouldn't be surprised at all at considering that two World Wars happened then and many things "disappeared".
Glad you liked it Jen, I must say that this is one of my favorite dresses of her. The real gown surely looked a lot like this beautiful replica!  :)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 31, 2012, 09:33:40 AM
I think in the end only the black dresses survived in her closet at the time of her death. The gray dress she wore for Valarie's wedding was an exception...
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 31, 2012, 06:06:35 PM
I think in the end only the black dresses survived in her closet at the time of her death. The gray dress she wore for Valarie's wedding was an exception...

Yes, many of the real dresses -not replicas- that still exist are mainly of the mourning years -here I've seen 4 or 5, and also her very well known last dress-. Is a pity that the black dress that she wore at the Hungarian Millenium celebration (1896) isn't available today, not minding that is one of the last dresses that she wore, and also considering that she wore it for a very important event. I wonder if the famous light gray dress still exist? Here only was posted a pinkish dress that Sissi wore for MV's engagement but not for the wedding. Here, was posted time ago a photo of one grayish dress but I can't assure when she really wore it.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 31, 2012, 07:00:09 PM
I think that might be it. Don't believe Sisi owned too many colored dress bt that time.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 01, 2012, 12:08:57 PM
Click here!!! (http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/3212/lc6dcb65b8de14e2aaa10e9.jpg)

I was thinking about this. I see it grayish -very light gray- but I'm not totally sure about the color because for me it isn't totally clear. Perhaps some fashion expert can tell if this dress can be from 1890.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 01, 2012, 01:05:38 PM
It looks like an evening dress no doubt by design.
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on June 01, 2012, 01:42:10 PM
Perhaps some fashion expert can tell if this dress can be from 1890.
Well, I’m not an expert, but I am an enthusiast with some knowledge! From the bustle-y bit and slight leg-o-mutton sleeves it appears to be 1889-1891. It looks like watered silk at a first glance, but perhaps that’s just the glass. It’s interesting to see the glittery trim, as Elisabeth was dressing in such muted ways at that point, yet if this was worn to Marie-Valerie’s engagement-wedding, if there was anyone Sisi would have dressed up for, it would have been her closest daughter. Pity the dress is displayed so oddly, but it does show off the train nicely. Does anyone know what museum it is at?
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 01, 2012, 02:08:04 PM
Well, I’m not an expert, but I am an enthusiast with some knowledge! From the bustle-y bit and slight leg-o-mutton sleeves it appears to be 1889-1891. It looks like watered silk at a first glance, but perhaps that’s just the glass. It’s interesting to see the glittery trim, as Elisabeth was dressing in such muted ways at that point, yet if this was worn to Marie-Valerie’s engagement-wedding, if there was anyone Sisi would have dressed up for, it would have been her closest daughter. Pity the dress is displayed so oddly, but it does show off the train nicely. Does anyone know what museum it is at?

Thank you very much for your opinion Andrea! I know that you're very acquainted with topics about fashion and I trust in your opinion. IMO it looks suitable -elegant- for a very important event as MV's wedding, you've confirmed me that is likely that it comes from that time. I found interesting that this is the first dress of her mourning years that isn't as muted as the majority of her other mourning dresses, but well, for MV she would do everything to make her happy. I must say that I still have some doubts about the color, perhaps the time has faded it or it is just  the photo. I'd like to see the frontal part of the dress, sadly this is the first and last time I've seen any photo of this beautiful dress, I don't know where is it, although I think that it must be in some Austrian museum.

PS. The dress that Sissi wore for MV's engagement is this, it was also mentioned that she wore it for FJ's birthday too. For the date, one of her last non mourning dresses, still with a light color.
its this dress for marie valeries engagement and FJ's birthday:
Click here!!! (http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9176/l4d14bb81ca534118a07d3c.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 01, 2012, 02:50:13 PM
That is a very lovely dress too. She looked good in both black and white.
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on June 02, 2012, 04:31:07 PM

Thank you very much for your opinion Andrea! I know that you're very acquainted with topics about fashion and I trust in your opinion. 
I am honored.  :)

It is a great pity that no images of Elisabeth exist in those two beautiful creamy gowns, for I am certain that she looked far more lovely in those then in the drab black customary for her at that time.

When was Marie-Valerie's engagement?
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Post by: Jen_94 on June 02, 2012, 05:00:23 PM
Marie-Valerie got engaged in 1888 I think :)

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 02, 2012, 07:46:42 PM
Yes I think so.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 02, 2012, 08:41:41 PM
Marie-Valerie got engaged in 1888 I think :)

You're totally right, they got engaged at the Christmas of 1888, on Sissi's birthday too. Sad to think that not much time after (a bit more than a month) Crown Prince Rudolph died, starting with Sissi's endless mourning  :(

It is a great pity that no images of Elisabeth exist in those two beautiful creamy gowns, for I am certain that she looked far more lovely in those then in the drab black customary for her at that time.

I agree totally with you! For the weddings of Gisela and Rudolph -in this last case there is even a sketch about his engagement with future Crown Princess Stephanie exists- I've seen a pair of sketches that include Sissi, but I haven't seen none about MV's wedding or engagement. A photo is even more unlikely. I think that she would have looked great, mainly with that elegant light gray dress!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 03, 2012, 10:12:30 AM
I do wonder what jewels the Empress wore with those dresses ?
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Post by: dboro on August 10, 2012, 07:20:57 PM
I think in the end only the black dresses survived in her closet at the time of her death. The gray dress she wore for Valarie's wedding was an exception...

Yes, many of the real dresses -not replicas- that still exist are mainly of the mourning years -here I've seen 4 or 5, and also her very well known last dress-. Is a pity that the black dress that she wore at the Hungarian Millenium celebration (1896) isn't available today, not minding that is one of the last dresses that she wore, and also considering that she wore it for a very important event. I wonder if the famous light gray dress still exist? Here only was posted a pinkish dress that Sissi wore for MV's engagement but not for the wedding. Here, was posted time ago a photo of one grayish dress but I can't assure when she really wore it.

Maybe (and only maybe) I can show you something new: photos from 1899 and 1907 of the black Hungarian dress worn during the Millennium celebrations

http://epa.oszk.hu/00000/00030/02366/pdf/02366.pdf
page 396
(I also have a HQ scan of it)
and see also
http://epa.oszk.hu/00000/00030/02814/pdf/VU_EPA00030_1907_48.pdf
page 961
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 18, 2012, 04:46:26 PM
I don't know why but I can't see the second link  :( I love to see the dress in other sight and also the accesories that she had -the fan and the fur she wore over her shoulders-! Don't you know about the jewelry she used, in the Millenium Portrait she is wearing a tiara. Thanks for the info! Is a great pity that I don't know Hungarian!
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Post by: dboro on August 18, 2012, 09:07:15 PM
Here's the second link again:
http://epa.oszk.hu/00000/00030/02814/pdf/VU_EPA00030_1907_48.pdf
or you can find it here:
http://epa.oszk.hu/00000/00030/02814/pdf/
click "Vasárnapi Ujság"

And the picture itself:
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b15/dboro/ruha.jpg)

The so-called Millennium portrait (the retouched photo by Strelisky) is a fake. None of the descriptions mention that she wore a tiara during the celebrations.
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Post by: dboro on August 18, 2012, 09:12:35 PM
The article itself is about the Queen Elisabeth Memorial Museum, which opened in Budapest in 1907. The museum was destroyed in the WWII during of the bombing of the Buda Castle, the remaining items returned to the collection of the Hungarian National Museum in 1946. The millennium dress did nor survive...
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 20, 2012, 02:20:24 PM
Thank you very much for all the information!!! I thought that the portrait was a reliable source, now I see it is not. I think that she didn't wear any tiara -or all kind of jewelry- perhaps for her mourning. Is a great pity that the wonderful black dress was destroyed by the war  :(
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 28, 2012, 12:54:14 PM
This was posted in teh first pages by Madame Sissi (the back of the dress), now a bit different pose -with a good view of the details-
Source: mkcr.cz
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/Saty_Alzbeta1.jpg)

Saved from a Czech site, detail of a bodice -for a better view of the trims-
Image enlarged and edited by me.
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/BlackBodiceSissi.jpg)

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 28, 2012, 10:17:05 PM
Both mourning dresses ? I read Franz Josef fell in love with Sisi while she was wearing a black mourning dress.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 31, 2012, 01:10:14 PM
Both mourning dresses ? I read Franz Josef fell in love with Sisi while she was wearing a black mourning dress.

The first one is not a mourning dress. According to this (http://www.ceskenoviny.cz/kultura/zpravy/narodni-muzeum-vystavi-od-ctvrtka-unikatni-saty-cisarovny-sissi/877059&id_seznam=) czech site -the dress is in a Czech museum at Prague- the gown is actually dark blue -velvet-. The photo does not make much justice to the color. Is quite interesting to mention that this dress is the most expensive in Czech Republic -the price is € 80,000, quite expensive indeed!-.
The second one is indeed a mourning dress.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 01, 2013, 01:42:48 AM
The first dress would go well with sapphires. I wonder if Sisi has sapphires in her jewellery collection. Her rubies and emeralds were famous.
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Post by: Jen_94 on January 01, 2013, 07:43:18 AM
Definitely agree Eric. I wonder if she did, Sapphires are beautiful.

Those dresses are beautiful, cannot believe how small in waist size the dresses are!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 01, 2013, 12:36:12 PM
Indeed. No wonder Sisi had to diet and spent time in her gym. Sounds very modern isn't it. I think Kate Moss can fit into that dress.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 01, 2013, 12:41:37 PM
Fragment of a German newspaper article (the newspaper was printed after the 1950's because it included a image of Romy Schneider as Sissi), the last gown. I'm sorry for the size.
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Old%20Days/1898Kleid_zps776ac3cd.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 01, 2013, 11:47:28 PM
In the German mind, Romy & Sisi is almost merged as one image, as the "romanticized ideal picture" achieved a following.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 07, 2013, 01:21:18 PM
I've never been able to find a photo that shows completely Empress Sissi's last dress, but recently I found some photos of a museum devoted to Sissi and found this gown that looks like a replica of the famous last dress (sadly, the site didn't have much information about it)... so we can have an idea of how is its skirt. Sadly the size of the images wasn't the best and I had to edit them but could not make much. Anyways, here you go:

View 1
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingCharlotte/replicalastdress_ed1_zpsbd38899e.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinCharlotte/media/DarlingCharlotte/replicalastdress_ed1_zpsbd38899e.jpg.html)

View 2
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingCharlotte/replicalastdress_ed2_zpsd2264628.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinCharlotte/media/DarlingCharlotte/replicalastdress_ed2_zpsd2264628.jpg.html)

*****Source: Kaiserin Elisabeth Museum (http://www.kaiserin-elisabeth-museum-ev.de)*****
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 11, 2013, 09:33:11 PM
Either silk or satin...
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 13, 2013, 05:57:22 PM
Either silk or satin...

The replica, yes, seems to be made with a silky cloth like any of these. If I am not wrong, the real one (last dress) was, in fact,  made with black taffeta.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 14, 2013, 03:29:31 PM
Taffeta is shiny like silk too.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 19, 2013, 11:56:13 AM
Found this dress in a facebook German site about Empress Sissi (if I'm not wrong a few photos of this or a similar dress were posted time ago, only that the gown wasn't completely photographed). According to the site, the dress was going to be auctioned a year ago (October 18th, 2012), the start prize was  € 7,500... I wonder what prize it finally reached. Anyways, it is much cheaper than the Czech blue velvet dress mentioned on the previous posts!

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/DarlingCharlotte/VestidoSissi_zpsc0ec24cd.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinAlzbeta/media/DarlingCharlotte/VestidoSissi_zpsc0ec24cd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Jen_94 on August 19, 2013, 06:31:21 PM
Lucky whoever got that dress! It is beautiful.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 20, 2013, 06:44:34 PM
She was pencil thin as the dress showed...
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Jen_94 on August 21, 2013, 07:45:27 AM
Indeed. Very thin...
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 21, 2013, 06:20:20 PM
I think she wore a grey dress to Valerie's wedding.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 01, 2015, 01:37:24 PM
Two more gowns I found on a german site (Sorry for the size)
It has 1875 as date
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/goldenes.jpg)

Finally got to find a bigger photo of this 1870's dress (Click on the photo for a bigger view):

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Darling%20Sissi/sissidarling_zpsxvh1ahro.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinAlzbeta/media/Darling%20Sissi/sissidarling_zpsxvh1ahro.jpg.html)

Credits on the image.
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 10, 2015, 02:25:21 PM
The replica of Sissi's last dress in better size:

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Darling%20Sissi/ruha_zpszmwourvz.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinAlzbeta/media/Darling%20Sissi/ruha_zpszmwourvz.jpg.html)


Source: Here (http://nol.hu/mozaik/sissi-kiralyne-kiallitas-a-szlovakiai-betleren-1551337)
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 14, 2015, 01:58:06 PM
Empress Sissi mourning dress, an original one, I think

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/DarlingCharlotte/sissi%20gown_zpsrh6hf69m.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinAlzbeta/media/DarlingCharlotte/sissi%20gown_zpsrh6hf69m.jpg.html)

>>Source: http://cultura.hu/aktualis/a-gyaszolo-sisi/ (http://Source: http://cultura.hu/aktualis/a-gyaszolo-sisi/)<<
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 13, 2016, 03:49:07 PM
Finally, after looking for a very long time, I got to see the full skirt of Empress Sissi's well known black taffeta dress that she wore the day when she was murdered by Luigi Lucheni.

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/DarlingCharlotte/lastdress_zpswwioqjbo.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinAlzbeta/media/DarlingCharlotte/lastdress_zpswwioqjbo.jpg.html)

Credits on the image, I took the pic at sissiofaustria.tumblr
Title: Re: Dresses of Empress Elisabeth
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 19, 2018, 04:00:34 PM
Fan, handkerchief and gloves, photo taken at 1899 (https://78.media.tumblr.com/ed1e51c5ab55bb2b29250cbfb9732121/tumblr_pa6ej7rdre1v1oo6no1_1280.jpg)

Black Shoes (https://78.media.tumblr.com/87adb16943ff9162ff362e9f3079439b/tumblr_pa6cw8V1Yn1v1oo6no1_540.jpg) and umbrella (https://78.media.tumblr.com/b8dde16f6a45f499414eb886dd791650/tumblr_pa6cw8V1Yn1v1oo6no2_1280.jpg), taken from dorotheum.at

Bodice (https://78.media.tumblr.com/dfa6c0faabcd9c5be98a85e5d76334e4/tumblr_p9x1ifw3lT1v1oo6no1_1280.jpg), 1890's

Black fan (https://78.media.tumblr.com/983a025387f91ed1c5ea0e0084219825/tumblr_p9x009jky91v1oo6no1_1280.png)

White shoe: 1 (https://78.media.tumblr.com/d4edee1652c9fb54ea6f5dc4b77113c2/tumblr_pa6d4wKmbp1v1oo6no2_540.jpg), 2 (https://78.media.tumblr.com/396c451de9f02e8004275b5f9a4b765f/tumblr_pa6d4wKmbp1v1oo6no1_540.jpg). Taken from Schöner Reisen