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Title: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Grace on November 28, 2006, 05:06:28 PM
Princes William and Harry have stated their intention to organize and stage a tribute concert to their late mother, Diana, Princess of Wales, to be held on July 1, 2007.  This would have been her 46th birthday and is also near the tenth anniversary of her tragic death in 1997.

While I respect the fact that William and Harry have the right to ask who they wish to this concert, I wonder if posters think their father and/or step-mother should attend, given what has happened in the past? 

Should this be forgotten and Charles and Camilla attend to show support to the two young princes and also to put the past to rest?

Or should this be an occasion that the two boys (now grown men) arrange themselves with assistance from people outside the royal family, to show that they are independent adults and want a commemoration of their mother by her beloved boys only?
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Leuchtenberg on November 28, 2006, 06:27:37 PM
William and Harry seem to have accepted her as their stepmother.  Of course, it's not like they had much choice.   IMO, given the past and their stepmother's role during their parents' marriage, I still consider it an insult to their dead mother that they have welcomed the woman into the family with open arms.   If the two Princes feel that a woman so despised by their mother deserves to be present at the Memorial Concert, then I suppose that's that.

However, William and Harry have been known to complain about books written about Diana by people who knew her.  William and Harry  claim it is a betrayal of their mother.  So, if they decide they want their stepmother at the Concert, they ought to keep their mouths shut about others who are being disloyal to Diana.  Glass houses ought not to throw stones. 
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Janet_W. on November 28, 2006, 07:34:56 PM
It's up to them, isn't it.

And then, if they extend invitations to their father and stepmother, it's up to Charles and Camilla to decide whether William and Harry's purpose for honoring Diana will be served by their appearance at the event.

None of us really know how the two princes have (or have not) reconciled their mother's unhappiness and death with their father's second marriage. But at some point there comes the time to call a truce and (you'll forgive my Yiddish) behave like a mensch. And so far, despite some lapses of good sense on the part of Harry, I think both young men have borne the fishbowl situation with considerable grace.

I am not a fan of Camilla's participation in selecting a royal brood mare and abetting an adultery. Yet Diana is irretrievably gone, both Charles and Camilla have settled into late middle aged marriage, and Diana's legacy--her sons and, despite numerous personal issues, her humanitarianism--survives.

As for William and Harry complaining about books written by Diana associates . . . well, it is their right as sons to object to any such revelations, and I can understand their discomfort.  But I think they would best serve both their mom's memory and their own privacy to become a bit more stoic, even impervious to the issue. And regarding the "Diana-ana" authors . . . well, here in the States we just recently had an example of the limits of public acceptance for publication trash. So I have faith that those who are exploiting the situation in vulgar fashion, rather than offering valid insight, ultimately will sink to the bottom of their slimey aquariums.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: carl fraley on November 28, 2006, 09:17:58 PM
I think that in any marriage it honestly takes 2 people to make things go wrong.  While I"m no supporter of Camilla i think that she has shown herself to be very adepth at her new role and the boys have shown themselves to be level headed & serious minded, socially aware (in that they know/recognize the "true issues" that need attention and they aren't afraid to put themselves out for the charities they believe in" which is what Diana wanted and stated as much in the interview with andrew morton all those years ago when she spoke of putting the foundation in them for them to do the job she raised them to do.

I would hope that the boys would invite Camilla & Charles, and I hope that they both will attend , b/c no matter what happened 10 years ago and before, it is fitting that they all honor a woman who showed selfless sacrifice and untiring devotion to her children and people.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on November 28, 2006, 10:01:59 PM
I don't think there's anyway that Camilla should attend--Charles is a different story as he was her husband and the father of her children regardless of what happened. I think it would be tacky and tasteless for the person involved in a relationship with Diana's husband while they were married to attend such an event. Seeing as how Camilla has tried to conduct herself with dignity and discretion, I can't believe that she would go nor have any expectation of it.

Further, it's supposed to be a memorial celebrating Diana's life--why have the presence of someone who is going to at least partially take the focus of her charity work, etc...and put the spotlight on that painful chapter of her life. I don't think anyone involved would want something that would dredge all that up again when so much time and effort has gone into trying to move forward.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: TampaBay on November 29, 2006, 04:22:01 AM
It is very simple.  William and Harry should extend a public  invitation to Chuck & Cammy and Cammy shold have the good manners to be unavialble to attend.


That is what my step mother did at my wedding even though she was welcome.  She just felt it would be easier for all concerned if she was not there. 

However, she was invited so there were no hard feelings.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: ferngully on November 29, 2006, 05:50:24 AM
'It is very simple.  William and Harry should extend a public  invitation to Chuck & Cammy and Cammy shold have the good manners to be unavialble to attend.'

agreed

Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Leuchtenberg on November 29, 2006, 08:52:02 AM
Charles will undoubtedly want her there.  And what he wants is the only thing that matters in this world...well at least in his eyes.  ::)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: emeraldeyes on November 29, 2006, 08:56:22 AM
IMO, the occasion will provide an opportunity to reinforce whatever a person already thinks about the Duchess.  The papers will have a wonderful time of it - creating a no-win situation for her.  If she doesn't show up, it will be taken as a slight to Diana's memory.  If she does show up, it will also be taken as a slight to Diana's memory.  This will take a very crafty bit of 'handling'. 
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Leuchtenberg on November 29, 2006, 09:07:08 AM
IMO, the occasion will provide an opportunity to reinforce whatever a person already thinks about the Duchess.  The papers will have a wonderful time of it - creating a no-win situation for her.  If she doesn't show up, it will be taken as a slight to Diana's memory.  If she does show up, it will also be taken as a slight to Diana's memory.  This will take a very crafty bit of 'handling'. 

Perhaps she will come down with a "cold" that will prevent her from attending?  You know, sort of like the one  Mary the Princess Royal had when she was unable to attend Elizabeth and Philip's wedding.   ;)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Marlene on November 29, 2006, 09:39:39 AM


Actually,  at this writing the princes are not involved with the concert -- their connection to any possible events have not yet been announced by Clarence House

Princes William and Harry have stated their intention to organize and stage a tribute concert to their late mother, Diana, Princess of Wales, to be held on July 1, 2007.  This would have been her 46th birthday and is also near the tenth anniversary of her tragic death in 1997.

While I respect the fact that William and Harry have the right to ask who they wish to this concert, I wonder if posters think their father and/or step-mother should attend, given what has happened in the past? 

Should this be forgotten and Charles and Camilla attend to show support to the two young princes and also to put the past to rest?

Or should this be an occasion that the two boys (now grown men) arrange themselves with assistance from people outside the royal family, to show that they are independent adults and want a commemoration of their mother by her beloved boys only?
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on November 29, 2006, 10:15:24 AM
Here's a link to an article in People magazine about the concert:

http://people.aol.com/people/article/0,26334,1563040,00.html

Here's on excerpt about the Prince's involvement:

"The princes' communications secretary, Paddy Harverson, tells PEOPLE a concert is one of the ideas being thrown forward. "It is one of a number of options being considered for how to commemorate next year. But we are not ready to confirm anything yet." "
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Forum Admin on November 29, 2006, 10:24:07 AM
My personal opinion, not necessarily the "official" line of the Forum,

Without question Prince Charles must be invited. He was Diana's husband, father of her children. The reality of life is that Prince Charles has re-married, like it or no. Genuine etiquette dictates that Charles' wife must be included in the invitation.  There is no "dishonor" to Diana's memory by including Camila in the invitation.  I think Prince Charles SHOULD attend without question.  After all, this concert is to honor the mother of his children. Whatever one may think of Camilla, I believe and hope would attend as well, to pay her respects to Diana, as the mother of her husband's children. 

This is NOT about petty sniping about past events.  I would think Diana herself would want the past to be left in the past, and everyone today to be gracious, humble and generous enough to look forward only to the future. Regardless of my personal opinion of Camilla, which I have been most careful not to voice here, so don't read anything into it, I defend her right to attend and pay her respects to Diana, and will applaud her courage, grace and genuine elegance for attending with her head held high.

Rob

NOT acting as FA.

Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Lucien on November 29, 2006, 10:30:17 AM
Hear hear!!
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Kaie Karadjordjevic on November 29, 2006, 11:02:47 AM
IF it had happened the other way round, Charles marrying camilla first, she dying then he marrying Diana, would you say Diana should attend

Also its commemorating the life of  a women, not all the arguements she had
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Leuchtenberg on November 29, 2006, 11:22:12 AM
The nicest thing I can say about the woman is that she will always be a divisive issue.  :D :D
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Grace on November 29, 2006, 04:04:24 PM


Actually,  at this writing the princes are not involved with the concert -- their connection to any possible events have not yet been announced by Clarence House

Oh?  I must have dreamt the whole thing then... ;D

Apparently, an official announcement is to be made on December 12 but I cannot imagine such an event even being mooted without the involvement of the two princes.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Belochka on November 29, 2006, 06:01:48 PM
The public should respect the wishes of Charles and Camilla as a married couple for the sake of family unity.

Margarita  
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: TampaBay on November 30, 2006, 05:12:39 AM
Charles will undoubtedly want her there.  And what he wants is the only thing that matters in this world...well at least in his eyes.  ::)

In this matter I believe Chuck will defer to the wishes of his sons.


TampaBay

Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Prince_Lieven on November 30, 2006, 07:00:03 AM
I think TampaBay was right - William and Harry should invite them, but they shouldn't go. It wouldn't be inappropriate for Charles to be there, but obviously many people would resent Camilla's presence and I don't think Charles should go without her. I don't understand some of the attitudes towards Camilla though - the way I see it is, if Diana's own sons are reconciled to her, what's left to say about it?  ::)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Nadezhda Edvardovna on December 01, 2006, 02:26:39 PM
Charles and Camilla publicly confessed their sins and repented of same when their marriage was blessed.  Surely if Jesus forgives them we can also?  What greater proof of C&C's repentance than to pay tribute to a woman, who despite her human frailty, did enormous good and meant a lot to so many? Pax, N.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on December 01, 2006, 03:06:54 PM
I still think that it would be better not to go, if for no other reason than it will be a distraction. The press will most likely use it as a chance to debate Camilla vs. Diana all over again and that doesn't benefit Camilla or Diana's memory--which is supposed to be the focus of the concert. That might seem unfair but no one ever said life's fair. I'm sure whatever the decision, it will be speculated on.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Helen_Azar on December 01, 2006, 03:14:28 PM
It seems like no matter what they do, they are doomed. They will be criticized if they go, they will be criticized if they don't. They should just use their judgment and do what they feel is right, since they will be criticized by someone no matter what. Everyone should just get over it and focus on what this concert is really supposed to be about: a tribute and a memorial to Diana's life, and not about who attends and who doesn't attend...

Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: CHRISinUSA on December 01, 2006, 04:10:58 PM
I thought about what Rob said (in his private capacity, not as forum administrator) and I completely agree with him.

The press?  The public?  To H*** with them.  This is not a state or royal event, it will be a private event.  As such, there are only five individuals with the right to express opinons or make this decision.

William   - who probably wants his step-mother there, if for no other reason than as a sign of respect to his father
Harry -  the same as his brother
Chares - who must attend for all reasons Rob mentioned
Caimilla - who probably will be shaking in her boots that day but should attend anyway.

And of course....

Diana herself.  Now here's the interesting one.  What would Diana think were she able to express her opinion?  She had moved on with her life, making her own plans, happy to be free.  I, for one, believe that had she not died, Diana by now would have resigned herself to the Charles / Camilla marriage (it probably would have happened earlier than it did had Diana lived).  She may even would have held some comfort in the fact that someone she loved / cared deeply for, was now as happy in his personal life as she was in hers.

So if I'm right, the only five people who's opinion should matter would probably all vote "yes".  Who can argue with that?
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Harumi on December 12, 2006, 08:59:30 AM
William and Harry have given an interview to confirm the concert will take place.

The concert will be held in Wembley, the ticket will cost £45 (to benefit Diana-related charities), Elton will perform (of course) and Charles and Camilla, though invited, are apparently 'unlikely to be present'.

You can read the article and watch the video at the link below:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=422038&in_page_id=1770&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=picbox&ct=5
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Marlene on December 12, 2006, 02:13:56 PM
As I said, nothing had been announced by Clarence House until today   it was speculation until today

link=topic=8583.msg229475#msg229475 date=1164837864]


Actually,  at this writing the princes are not involved with the concert -- their connection to any possible events have not yet been announced by Clarence House

Oh?  I must have dreamt the whole thing then... ;D

Apparently, an official announcement is to be made on December 12 but I cannot imagine such an event even being mooted without the involvement of the two princes.
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Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Lucien on December 12, 2006, 02:18:02 PM
I thought about what Rob said (in his private capacity, not as forum administrator) and I completely agree with him.

The press?  The public?  To H*** with them.  This is not a state or royal event, it will be a private event.  As such, there are only five individuals with the right to express opinons or make this decision.

William   - who probably wants his step-mother there, if for no other reason than as a sign of respect to his father
Harry -  the same as his brother
Chares - who must attend for all reasons Rob mentioned
Caimilla - who probably will be shaking in her boots that day but should attend anyway.

And of course....

Diana herself.  Now here's the interesting one.  What would Diana think were she able to express her opinion?  She had moved on with her life, making her own plans, happy to be free.  I, for one, believe that had she not died, Diana by now would have resigned herself to the Charles / Camilla marriage (it probably would have happened earlier than it did had Diana lived).  She may even would have held some comfort in the fact that someone she loved / cared deeply for, was now as happy in his personal life as she was in hers.

So if I'm right, the only five people who's opinion should matter would probably all vote "yes".  Who can argue with that?

No one.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Grace on December 12, 2006, 02:32:22 PM
Yes, they can -- I'm here!

If, as suggested by Chris, the princes are going to have the attitude "to hell with the public" then why would they suggest this concert in the first place?  I don't believe they would have such an attitude at all.  The echo of an empty Wembley Stadium is going to be loud indeed if they do not expect public support in this.

And although of course it's the princes' choice who attends -- both family wise and artist wise -- how can it be described as a private event?  It's not going to private at all!  ???

We can't state which members of the royal family William and Harry will want there either, because we don't know...



Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Lucien on December 12, 2006, 02:44:14 PM
Yes, they can -- I'm here!

If, as suggested by Chris, the princes are going to have the attitude "to hell with the public" then why would they suggest this concert in the first place?  I don't believe they would have such an attitude at all.  The echo of an empty Wembley Stadium is going to be loud indeed if they do not expect public support in this.

And although of course it's the princes' choice who attends -- both family wise and artist wise -- how can it be described as a private event?  It's not going to private at all!  ???

We can't state which members of the royal family William and Harry will want there either, because we don't know...


Grace I strongly object!The Princes do not have the attitude "to hell with the public" at all!!!They rather have an attitude,and more,of reconcilliation,that is the key word,and should be,ten years on.Regardless what petty posters on boards or forums say/think,it's of no importance whatshowever,ever!And furthermore ,it is NOT a private event,you can buy your ticket too as of tomorrow morning 09.00AM GMT,so how private is that.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: CHRISinUSA on December 12, 2006, 03:22:44 PM
As I said, nothing had been announced by Clarence House until today   it was speculation until today

link=topic=8583.msg229475#msg229475 date=1164837864]


Actually,  at this writing the princes are not involved with the concert -- their connection to any possible events have not yet been announced by Clarence House

Oh?  I must have dreamt the whole thing then... ;D

Apparently, an official announcement is to be made on December 12 but I cannot imagine such an event even being mooted without the involvement of the two princes.
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Good heavens ladies.  When Grace wrote that the princes were organizing a concert for their mother, perhaps technically she should have included the word "reportedly".  When Marlene responded that "as of this writing the princes are not involved with the concert" she should have included the word "officially". 

You were both right in essence, yet wrong in the strictest of definitions.  But I didn't realize this forum was a court of law.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: CHRISinUSA on December 12, 2006, 03:27:56 PM
Yes, they can -- I'm here!

If, as suggested by Chris, the princes are going to have the attitude "to hell with the public" then why would they suggest this concert in the first place?  I don't believe they would have such an attitude at all.  The echo of an empty Wembley Stadium is going to be loud indeed if they do not expect public support in this.

And although of course it's the princes' choice who attends -- both family wise and artist wise -- how can it be described as a private event?  It's not going to private at all!  ???

We can't state which members of the royal family William and Harry will want there either, because we don't know...


Grace, I didn't mean to suggest that the princes will take the attitude "to hell with the public".  That is my personal attitude. 

When I wrote that the concert is a private event - I did not mean it was not a public event.  I meant that it was neither a state event nor a royal event. 

If it were a royal event, than the decision as to guests would be HM The Queen.  If it were a state event, the decision would belong to the Queen and the Government.  Since it is neither, the decision about whether or not Camiilla attends should rest solely with five people.  Not the Times, nor the Mirror, nor the folks in the corner pub, nor the members of this Forum.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Viscount on December 12, 2006, 07:44:31 PM
Dear All,

www.concertfordiana.com (http://www.concertfordiana.com) - WATCH the interview by the 2 Princes.  They are amazing and clearly 1) love their mother and her memory and 2) good friends as well as brothers, being able to joke with each other quite naturally.  She would be VERY proud of them.

Tickets go on sale 13th December 2006 at 9am.

There will be a "simple" Memorial Service on 31st August 2007.



The Viscount




Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Grace on December 12, 2006, 07:47:14 PM
Yes, they can -- I'm here!

If, as suggested by Chris, the princes are going to have the attitude "to hell with the public" then why would they suggest this concert in the first place?  I don't believe they would have such an attitude at all.  The echo of an empty Wembley Stadium is going to be loud indeed if they do not expect public support in this.

And although of course it's the princes' choice who attends -- both family wise and artist wise -- how can it be described as a private event?  It's not going to private at all!  ???

We can't state which members of the royal family William and Harry will want there either, because we don't know...


Grace I strongly object!The Princes do not have the attitude "to hell with the public" at all!!!They rather have an attitude,and more,of reconcilliation,that is the key word,and should be,ten years on.Regardless what petty posters on boards or forums say/think,it's of no importance whatshowever,ever!And furthermore ,it is NOT a private event,you can buy your ticket too as of tomorrow morning 09.00AM GMT,so how private is that.

Lucien, please re-read my post.  I did not say this at all.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Viscount on December 12, 2006, 08:00:12 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6171889.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6171889.stm)

The BBC state that HRH The Duchess of Cornwall WILL attend the Memorial Service on 31st August 2007.......... the anniversary of Diana's death.

Now if that isnt brave, I dont know what is !!  My hat goes off to her.  It will be very difficult for all.  The Princes say that both sides of the family will attend.


The Viscount
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on December 12, 2006, 08:59:40 PM
It may be wishy-washy of me, but I still don't think she should go to the concert. However, I'm glad that she's going to the memorial service and I do think it's brave of her as the usual hornet's nest will probably be stirred up and she'll take some criticism.

I guess, for me, the difference is that the memorial service will be supporting her husband and stepsons whereas the concert's focus will be on Diana.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Antoniam on December 13, 2006, 05:31:49 AM
The only royals actually attending the memorial concert are William and Harry. From the official Prince of Wales site it states that the Queen, the Duke of Edinboroug, the Prince of Wales, the Duchess of Cornwall, Lady Sarah Mc, Lady Jane Fellows and Earl Spencer have been invited to the memorial service on August 31st and all have accepted the invitation. ( In their interview William said that both sides of their family were invited their mother's side and their father's side)

Camilla being at the memorial concert is just message board speculation.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: TampaBay on December 13, 2006, 01:55:06 PM
This concert will be and should be a symbolic changing of the guard.  Everyone should be invited.  However, the only members of the Royal Family who should attend are Prince Andrew (representing th old court) with the York Princesses, Willam, Henry and their dates Sarah, Kate and Ms. Davy. 

TampaBay
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: CHRISinUSA on December 13, 2006, 02:20:56 PM
That is a wise move.  The memorial service is a perfect, controlled environment for the "adults" to pay respects.  It allows Camilla to be seen to publically to honor Diana as the mother of her husband's sons, whilst at the same time nobody attending the concert avoids any possible public distaste at Camilla's presence.

Besides, the public just want to see the two young princes at the concert .... and anyway, it is quite uncomfortable watching the older royals attempting to "enjoy" a rock concert.  Remember the Queen's Jubilee concert?  I could almost feel the Queen and DoE's pain, watching their frozen smiles.....heck, even Edward seemed out of place.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: TampaBay on December 13, 2006, 02:43:33 PM
I see no harm in Prince Andrew and his daughters attending with Sarah.

Prince Andrew is a close freind of Elton John and I believe I read somewhere that Andrew was Diana's favorite brother-in-law. 

When Diana and Sarah were on the outs they always seemed able to "kiss & make up".  I believe Diana would want Andrew Sarah at the concert.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: ferngully on December 15, 2006, 10:17:39 AM
she'd better steel herself
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: ilyala on January 23, 2007, 07:15:43 AM
I see no harm in Prince Andrew and his daughters attending with Sarah.

Prince Andrew is a close freind of Elton John and I believe I read somewhere that Andrew was Diana's favorite brother-in-law. 

When Diana and Sarah were on the outs they always seemed able to "kiss & make up".  I believe Diana would want Andrew Sarah at the concert.

TampaBay

i believe i read somewhere that diana grew up close to the residence where andrew grew up and that they used to play together as children... i think it was in the nicholas davies book but i'm not sure (i'm at work now)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Lucien on March 14, 2007, 08:07:12 AM
Princes's William and Harry have a arranged for a memorial service for the late Diana,Princess of Wales,at the Guards Chapel on august 31st.

HM The Queen,TRH The Duke of Edinburgh,The Prince of Wales,The Duchess of Cornwall will attend as well as the sisters and brother of Diana.

The sermon will be held by the Bishop of London,Richard Chartres,who also is the Dean of the Chapels Royal.

Besides the RF many friends and representatives of Diana's numerous charities will be invited.The BBC will air the service live.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: emeraldeyes on March 14, 2007, 12:06:48 PM
link to an article in Hello! online:

http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2007/03/14/camilla-wills-diana/ (http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2007/03/14/camilla-wills-diana/)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Leuchtenberg on March 14, 2007, 06:48:08 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6171889.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6171889.stm)

The BBC state that HRH The Duchess of Cornwall WILL attend the Memorial Service on 31st August 2007.......... the anniversary of Diana's death.

Now if that isnt brave, I dont know what is !!  My hat goes off to her.  It will be very difficult for all.  The Princes say that both sides of the family will attend.


The Viscount

Bravery, or in the Duchess' case, gall is not something she has ever been short of.  No doubt she will be relishing the opportunity to rub the world's nose in the fact that she got everything she has wanted and her rival got, well, death.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: scarlett_riviera on March 14, 2007, 07:12:45 PM
I don't think Charles and Camilla should attend. But that's just me being totally childish. I don't know, I guess I'm kind of biased against them since I grew-up in the Theres-Three-Of-Us-In-The-Marriage phase and I just can't find myself sympathetic to Charles and Camilla. Camilla's a duchess now, perhaps even future queen, but Diana will always be the queen to me.
There, see. I'm getting dramatic now. lol
But if she plans to attend, maybe they can pull off some good PR for her, if she still needs it (don't they like her now over there or something?), to kind of prepare the anti-Camilla brigade into accepting her presence.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Lucien on April 27, 2007, 12:25:25 AM
According to the Times,Prince Charles will not attend the concert on July 1st.

Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Noelle Royale on April 27, 2007, 01:43:14 AM
I do so hope Their Royal Highnesses do attend.It would be a sign of respect for the poor late Princess who is the mother of the future Prince of Wales and King. I think the Duchess wouldn't be too difficult to accomodate.She isn't really a spotlight stealer.All the attention will certainly be off her and on the Royal Princes.But,I do hope people would be nice to her.After all maybe,just maybe if Diana was alive today she might have forgiven her.But who knows?Infact I would like to see the whole Royal Family there.The one I would not like to see for the rest of my existence is Mohammed Al Fayed an Paul Burrel.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: dmitri on April 27, 2007, 07:50:49 AM
a very easy answer .. NO
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: scarlett_riviera on April 27, 2007, 08:45:55 AM
No way. I wouldn't want to see them there. They made her life a living hell, so why should they attend? Camilla must be happy now, now that her dreams have come true, but really, she and Charles should just leave Diana alone. If they want to remember and honor her memory, then they should do so privately- to avoid offending those who still remember what Camilla was to Charles before she became Duchess of Cornwall.
I'd be a bit angry.
Ranting and raving aside, I just think that people/newspapers will focus more on the fact that Camilla was THERE, instead of remembering the life and accomplishments of Diana. I do hope that people will continue to treasure Diana's memory... Never forget. She was just the last real princess for me. :-\
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: basilforever on April 27, 2007, 11:03:12 AM
She certainly wasn't the last real princess for me. In fact, she was not a Princess when she died, which means she is not a Princess now.

What is the official line on this question - will C and C be attending? :-\
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: ferngully on April 27, 2007, 12:31:14 PM
i think they will be
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: aussiechick12 on April 27, 2007, 11:01:39 PM
The event will be held on the same day that Crown Princess Mary's baby girl is christened.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 28, 2007, 03:51:05 AM
Clarence House has already announced that C&C will NOT be at the concert for the late Diana, PRINCESS of Wales. It is a mute question. It has been in The Times and even the notorious Daily Mail.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Grace on April 28, 2007, 05:38:01 AM
I'm glad they won't be attending - not out of any spite towards Charles and Camilla - it just didn't seem right that they should attend.  It would have been uncomfortable for them and also would have been a huge media distraction.  The concert needs no royals, in my opinion, other than Princes William and Harry who had the idea in the first place of this tribute concert to their mother.

There is apparently concern now that a Live Aid concert, to be held within a few days of the Diana one, has got all the current big names performing while the Diana one is a bit more "retro", i.e. more artists from the 80's and 90's etc. 

I thought the tickets were sold out anyway so I can't see why this would be a problem.  ???
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on April 28, 2007, 11:12:07 AM
I think they should push the thought of 'Diana was Charles ex' to the back of their minds and attend. Especially if their sons are doing it.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: basilforever on April 28, 2007, 01:52:55 PM
Princes William and Harry are not ''their sons" - they are just Charles's sons. Yes I looked it up a bit more, and C and C are not going, neither is the Queen. I think this is the right decision. It would have been uncomfortable, and provided an unwelcome distraction.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Grace on April 28, 2007, 05:31:20 PM
I think they should push the thought of 'Diana was Charles ex' to the back of their minds and attend. Especially if their sons are doing it.

Can you explain why you think they should attend?  The sons are adults - they can do this on their own!  It's a celebration of Diana - not the royals!  She wasn't a member of the RF at the time of her death.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 28, 2007, 07:22:28 PM
Plus, they would not like the music. If you saw the Party At The Palace at the Queen's last Jubilee, you would see how they were really struggling to bear through it. Cliff Richard was about their limit.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: basilforever on April 29, 2007, 05:53:45 AM
I thought they would have like Cliff Richard, more than the others, more their era!  :)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on April 29, 2007, 01:29:40 PM
Princes William and Harry are not ''their sons" - they are just Charles's sons. Yes I looked it up a bit more, and C and C are not going, neither is the Queen. I think this is the right decision. It would have been uncomfortable, and provided an unwelcome distraction.

Yes, that was what I meant!
Title: William and Harry interview
Post by: ChristineM on June 13, 2007, 04:42:44 AM
I've opened a new thread because I feel the subject is inapproriate to continue on the 'Love Lives' thread or the 'Army' thread devoted to the Windsor princes.

Princes William and Harry have given their first ever extended interview on the subject of the death of their mother.   It will be transmitted round the world next week.   They have chosen to speak out now to mark her birthday, the 10th anniversary of her death and the memorial concert they are staging.

From what I have heard it creates more questions than it answers.   Both the sons say they think about her every day - which is only natural.   Harry said - 'When they think about it, they think about her death, they think about, you know, how wrong it was.'

'They think about, you know, whatever happened.   I don't know for... for me personally, whatever happened, you know, that night... whatever happened in that tunnel, you know, no-one will ever know.

'I'm sure people will always think about that the whole time.'

Asked about about whether he would ever stop wondering how his mother died, he said:  'I'll never stop wondering about that.'

Unfortunately this is going to be fuel for the conspiracists.   I, for one, can see why.   Clarence House have stated that the Princes have never thought their mother's death was anything but an accident.   The questions posed by Harry are an expression of his thoughts as to how the crash might have been avoided.   Somehow this doesn't quite gel with Harry's responses.

The interview is much wider than the subject of their mother's death and the manner of her passing.   Both boys feel that the ten years which have elapsed have passed 'very, very slowly'.

Perhaps the commissioners at Channel 4 might reflect on the unnecessary hurt they inflicted on those two, still suffering, young men and others who plan exploiting their mother, her life and her death, will now think twice about doing so.

tsaria

PS:  Yet another inquest - the fourth - into the death of Diana, Princess of Wales, conducted by a new coroner, will open and close today.
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Grace on June 13, 2007, 06:07:02 AM
Unfortunately, the interview shows that Harry still has a lot of maturing to do.  To even suggest publicly that he himself has questions about his mother's death was not a good idea at all.  And his answer to what he'd be doing if he wasn't a prince "playing computer and drinking beer" was rather foolish also. 
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: TampaBay on June 13, 2007, 06:16:42 AM
Even Sarah can give better answers than that.

TampaBay
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Grace on June 13, 2007, 06:19:17 AM
I think you're right!  :o :o :o
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: ChristineM on June 13, 2007, 06:45:57 AM
Oh dear.   Another PR exercise which looks as though it might backfire.

tsaria
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: grandduchessella on June 13, 2007, 07:53:38 AM
I had posted this in the Diana thread:

For those in the US, here are some dates to keep in mind for Diana commemorations:

June 15 = Interview preview (with William & Harry) on Today Show Web site
June 18 = Part I during NBC’s The Today Show @ 7AM
June 18 = Part II during Dateline NBC @ 10PM
July 1 = Concert for Diana, NBC

I believe times are Eastern.

On Friday, June 15, 2007, an exclusive portion of Lauer's interview with Prince William and Prince Harry will make its world premiere online at TODAYshow.com. There's already a portion up so I don't know if they released it early or if another portion will be up. NBC News' "Today" will air a special split-show on Friday, June 29th, prior to the concert, with Lauer broadcasting from London to commemorate the event being held in Princess Diana's honor.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19190534/

(http://content.tvguide.com/NR/rdonlyres/CDE3EABE-4636-48F3-A8BA-B7D26B4B0FEA/18948/070613cover3.jpg)

(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070604/070604_princes_date_11a.hmedium.jpg)
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: grandduchessella on June 13, 2007, 07:59:34 AM
From the Daily Mail:

"For William, the tenth anniversary of his mother's death this summer is obviously a time of deep personal anguish. But the pain, he says in the interview, has never gone away. "Just for my personal opinion, when you knew somebody or someone that important to you, you always think about it, you know," he says. "There's not a day goes by I don't think about it once in the day." For both of them, Harry says, the last ten years have gone by "really, really slowly". He adds: "It's weird because I think when she...she passed away there was never that time...there was never that sort of lull.

"There was never that sort of peace and quiet for any of us - the fact that her face was always splattered on the paper the whole time. "Over the last ten years I personally feel as though she has been...she's always there. "She's always being a constant reminder to both of us and everybody else."

Clarence House said that Harry's comments referred to whether the fatal crash - in the Pont de l'Alma tunnel in Paris on August 31, 1997 - could have been prevented and were not about speculation over the cause. The princes' spokesman said: "Of course Prince Harry and Prince William will always be thinking a lot about what happened that night and whether the accident could have been avoided. "But they have never doubted their mother's death was an accident."

I think his answers gel with this--I wouldn't doubt they're being leaked out of context to gin up publicity--much the way the Diana accident photos were so widely discussed before the documentary aired. Hasn't it been reported that both princes still bear tremendous ill-will towards the paparazzi that were chasing her that night? He could merely be musing that perhaps the death could've been prevented had they not been speeding after her, regardless of any other facts (such as Paul's being drunk). I really don't think it can be seen that the princes would buy into any of al-Fayed's thoughts that it was somehow planned by the royal family, specifically their grandfather.
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: grandduchessella on June 13, 2007, 08:04:30 AM
More from the Daily Mail, regarding 'normalcy':

"The brothers first tackle the question of Diana's desire for them to live as normal lives as possible...."I think she'd be happy in the way that we're going about it, but slightly unhappy about the way the other people were going about it as in saying, 'Look you're, you're, not normal so stop trying to be normal'," he says. "(They say) 'You've got certain responsibilities'. Which obviously we do. But within our private life and within certain other parts of our life we wanna be as normal as possible."

Asked whether their positions as second and third in line to the throne make it difficult for them to form personal relationships, William, who will be 25 next week and split up with his long-term girlfriend Kate Middleton in April, says: "There's a of baggage that comes with us, trust me. A lot of baggage." His brother, whose long-term girlfriend is 21-year-old Chelsy Davy, adds: "At the same time, you've got to understand that it's just as hard for our friends as it is for us, there's a massive element of trust.

"Our friends have to put up with a lot when it comes to us." "
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: grandduchessella on June 13, 2007, 08:06:01 AM
Unfortunately, the interview shows that Harry still has a lot of maturing to do.  To even suggest publicly that he himself has questions about his mother's death was not a good idea at all.  And his answer to what he'd be doing if he wasn't a prince "playing computer and drinking beer" was rather foolish also. 

Harry didn't say that, William said it about him:

When asked what they would do if they weren't members of the Royal Family...Harry struggles to answer, his brother interjects: "He'd probably sit and play computer games and drink beer".....Harry gives him a filthy look then laughs, before saying: "I'd probably live in Africa. I'd like to spend all my time out there. "It would be a humanitarian aspect and as well as a sort of a safari aspect. I would have to get a job. So it would probably be a safari guide."





Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Martyn on June 13, 2007, 11:35:05 AM
I wonder whether we will have the chance to see it over here?
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Eddie_uk on June 13, 2007, 01:28:43 PM


(http://content.tvguide.com/NR/rdonlyres/CDE3EABE-4636-48F3-A8BA-B7D26B4B0FEA/18948/070613cover3.jpg)



Now i'm not usually a fan of Williams looks but he looks a real dish in this picture! :P

'They think about, you know, whatever happened.   I don't know for... for me personally, whatever happened, you know, that night... whatever happened in that tunnel, you know, no-one will ever know.

Yes, I must admit I was rather horrified at that sentence. The ghastly, ghastly, al Fayed will love that. I just wish they would leave the poor Princess in peace and put the conspiracy theories to bed. It's gone on for far to long.
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Janet on June 13, 2007, 01:40:27 PM
Yes, I must admit I was rather horrified at that sentence. The ghastly, ghastly, al Fayed will love that.

I thought the same thing so I was glad to see the following today.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/06/13/nharry113.xml

Quote
Both princes have stressed in the past that they believe their mother's death was a tragic accident. Their spokesman said Prince Harry's comments did not mean he believed there was any truth in the conspiracy theories that have since abounded, but that it was "natural for him and his brother to wonder exactly what their mother went through".
 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/monarchy/story/0,,2101586,00.html

Quote
Clarence House officials stressed that the remarks meant that the prince would never stop wondering whether the crash in the Alma Tunnel in Paris could have been prevented and he was not speculating about the crash itself.
 
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Grace on June 13, 2007, 06:02:59 PM
Unfortunately, the interview shows that Harry still has a lot of maturing to do.  To even suggest publicly that he himself has questions about his mother's death was not a good idea at all.  And his answer to what he'd be doing if he wasn't a prince "playing computer and drinking beer" was rather foolish also. 

It was actually Prince William who volunteered that Prince Harry would play computer games and drink beer, rather than Harry himself, a rather silly thing to say nevertheless.  I'd better take a break - I'm making too many blunders.  :-[  ::)
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Taren on June 13, 2007, 06:08:44 PM
I wonder whether we will have the chance to see it over here?

Both parts will likely show up on youtube shortly after they air.
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on June 13, 2007, 06:34:39 PM
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'They think about, you know, whatever happened.   I don't know for... for me personally, whatever happened, you know, that night... whatever happened in that tunnel, you know, no-one will ever know.

I think he meant that nobody will ever know because it was an accident, I don't think he meant anything further.  This is just what I think.

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: grandduchessella on June 13, 2007, 07:31:26 PM
I wonder whether we will have the chance to see it over here?

Both parts will likely show up on youtube shortly after they air.

I imagine that after both parts have aired you'll be able to see them on the link I provided before:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19190534/

They're giving it too much publicity not to post it afterwards, I think. They'll either put it on the Dateline section or, on the left side of the page, there's a link to the Today show.
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Robert_Hall on June 14, 2007, 01:15:55 AM
I was a bit surprised that Barbra Walters did not get them, as she is such a pal of Charles & Cammilla. But, I quess she is too busy with Paris Hilton.
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: ChristineM on June 14, 2007, 02:58:18 AM
I hope that is what Harry meant, your Grace.

Trouble is, the actual facts of the accident have been so well dissected, there seems there can be nothing new to add.   The Mercedes has been taken to pieces.   They found the mystery Fiat.   The driver was driving over the legal limit of alchohol and a car with which he was unfamiliar.   They've interviewed the eye witnesses and those present in the immediate aftermath.   They have interviewed Trevor Rees Jones, but still they wonder.   

I suppose the question they ask themselves is 'Why'.   Why was there mother where she was?   Why was she with Dodi Fayed?   Was there anything they could have done to avoid her finding herself in that situation?   These are normal thoughts which transit human minds in the wake of the loss of a loved one.   Just weeks before they had spent two weeks with their mother and the Fayeds.   They were young, but they were not blind and they are not stupid boys, or young men.   William must really beat himself up over their telephone fall out.   Last words are SO important.

Probably the one constant, and perhaps what Harry was suggesting, is an ongoing belief that the paparazzi were involved.   Which, of course, they were, though not directly.   

Perhaps the message he wanted to get across was to the paparazzi to stop hounding his brother and himself because - accidents can happen.

tsaria
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Mari on June 14, 2007, 04:23:29 AM
The actual reporting of the event as it happened that night fueled the interest in Princess Diana's Death... but as to interviewing Trevor Rees Jones I have never seen anything published that described his events of that Night. If that had been published it might have put an end to most of the Speculation.  I think that both of Princess Diana's Sons have handled all that very well!
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: ChristineM on June 14, 2007, 06:04:40 AM
Trevor Rees Jones wrote a book on the subject which you might wish to read Mari -

'The Boldyguard's Story:  Diana, the Crash and the Sole Survivor'

According to the Princes' own words, as reported from the interview which will be transmitted in full next  - although they appear to have coped well with the death of their mother, they have never come to terms with events and live with that every day of their lives.

Prince Harry is on record as saying he wishes he knew what happened in the tunnel, but is resigned to the fact that he never will.     

tsaria
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: grandduchessella on June 14, 2007, 11:55:32 PM
MSNBC broadcast part of the interview today. I thought both princes came off very well. It's always a shock (to me anyway) how deep Harry's voice seems. In the US, they are mostly figures existing only in photos so when you see them walking, talking, etc...it can take you aback. They both are very good-looking on film, I must say.  ;)

I didn't know the clip was coming to write anything down but it boiled down to talking to them about the public's perception of them. They both agreed that they know people have certain impressions (good and bad) but they're formed partly by stories in the press that may not be true or only partially. They said that to really know a person you have to meet them, not just see photos or read stories. Harry said that he's had many people tell him that he's not what they expected.

"The most amusing point is meeting somebody and them going, 'You're so not what I thought you were.'" Prince Harry told TODAY co-host Matt Lauer during a preview broadcast of their first-ever interview on American television. That's the cue for the heirs to the throne of Great Britain to ask, "Well, what did you think? "Oh, I best not say it to your face," is the frequent response."It's because they believe what they read, which is, you know, God knows what," Harry replied. "What is said in the papers . . . it's just poisonous."

"Lauer asked if Diana ever sat her sons down to talk about the weight and price of fame. They said it wasn't necessary. "It was just so obvious," Harry, the chattier of the two, said. "When she comes back from doing whatever she'd been doing, whether it was tennis and she'd been chased down the road or doing [a] public engagement. It was clear to see the pressure that she was under sometimes - depending on where she'd been and what she'd been doing."

"Yet they are very aware of the privilege to which they were born and the obligations that come with it. Both are extensively involved with charitable and humanitarian causes. "We're very lucky," William said. "You know, we have lots of things that we are very fortunate to have. We have a house, you know? We have, you know, all these sort of nice things around us. And so, you know, we're grateful for that because so many people don't have that. "Yeah," Harry said, lightening the conversation for a moment. "We've had a good education. Doesn't show but we have...."We're very privileged, in many ways," said Harry. "We're very lucky. And we're very grateful for that."

If you go here:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/19172650/

and click on the photo of the princes, it will take you to a video which has 3 different clips: Harry and the Media; Keeping in Touch; and Dealing with Pressure.
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Lucien on June 15, 2007, 02:39:28 PM
BBC interview to be aired on june 29th.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6753291.stm
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Kimberly on June 15, 2007, 02:58:31 PM
I noticed that William has got quite a scar above his left eye. Was that from the hockey stick/polo stick incident when he was at school?
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Marlene on June 15, 2007, 03:27:03 PM
Martyn, 2 separate interviews were done, one of the US and one for the UK, the latter with a BBC reporter.

I would be nice if arrangements could be made for the UK to see the NBC interview and here in the USA, with the BBC one
I wonder whether we will have the chance to see it over here?
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: TampaBay on June 16, 2007, 04:52:00 AM
My husband who believes the Royals have only one purpose which is to give me something to fill my time inorder to keep me out of department stores, felt Harry came across the best of the two.  He was impressed with Harry as "a real bloke" who any male would enjoy drinking a pint with.  Then again, my husband also likes Sarah, Duchess of York and is always teasing me to get on the phone and invite her to Tampa, Florida.

Hubby was less impressed with William and thought his persona was becoming more and more like that of Charles.

I have not seen the interview so I cannot render an opinion for debate.

TampaBay
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Grace on June 16, 2007, 06:29:26 AM
Harry seemed to come across better than William in this particular interview - not that I've seen all of it - it's too much trouble for the TV channels here to have a single entire airing - we just get three or four minutes here and there.   >:( ::)  It must be very difficult for William, but he almost seems to be trying too hard to be down to earth and average to allow any of his real character show through.  To be honest, he doesn't leave much of an impression during an interview at this stage.     

I agree with hubby on this, Tampa, however, I don't share his (or your) predilection for Sarah, Duchess of York!  :D
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: TampaBay on June 16, 2007, 06:36:03 AM
Grace,

Well then as usual we will just agree to disagree.  Sarah is not to everyone taste but then agin neither am I.  ;) ;) ;)

The Royal family is better off without Sarah and Sarah is better off without them.

I have questions or her parenting skills but I have friends in Florida with questionable parenting skills.

TampaBay
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Marlene on June 16, 2007, 10:19:57 AM
Only if NBC Universal has an agreement with YouTube.

I wonder whether we will have the chance to see it over here?

Both parts will likely show up on youtube shortly after they air.
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on June 16, 2007, 10:47:11 AM
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Only if NBC Universal has an agreement with YouTube.

People post things on YouTube all the time, agreement or not.

-Duke of NJ

Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: ChristineM on June 16, 2007, 11:21:16 AM
Tampa - I'm with your hubby.

William's looks appear to be coarsening just as Harry's are becoming more refined.   Don't know about their personalities, but it is interesting to observe developments like this.

tsaria
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Harumi on June 16, 2007, 11:39:41 AM

William appears more articulate than the transcripts made it seem but it's still far from a stellar interview, even though I do really love the tone and deepness of his and Harry's voices.

And I share your husband's opinion Tampabay, Harry comes off looking warm and natural.
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: grandduchessella on June 16, 2007, 02:03:02 PM
The videos are available on the nbc/msnbc websites including:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19117941/

Just click on the 'web-exclusive' videos underneath the picture of the princes. There are 4 videos up from the interview.

I think Harry came off really well but I don't think William came off badly. It's acknowledged, I think by Matt Lauer, that Harry is the more outgoing personality who did the most talking, but he was impressed by the poise & 'realness' of both boys.
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Leuchtenberg on June 16, 2007, 07:08:08 PM
I've watched available clips and I have to call total CRAP on them.

This is obviously more misplaced spin from Clarence House.

I'm of the belief that Royals aren't supposed to give interviews.  They show their character and their worth by example through their duties and how they conduct themselves in public.  This is  not done by lounging around on a sofa trying to convince the viewing audience how you're just like everyone else and how you've gotten a bad reputation through the fault of the press.  The press are muckrakers to be sure, but they are hardly responsible for Princes of the Blood donning Nazi garb or getting pisshead drunk in night clubs.

If they want to be just like everybody else, then fine.  Give up their titles, become plain Mr. Windsors and devote themselves to Paris Hilton type existences.  Or get off that couch and start immersion in good works.  As it is, they are only steps away from becoming Chav princes.
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: grandduchessella on June 16, 2007, 10:48:18 PM
(This is about the next interview, with the BBC)

From the Huffington Post: "In a BBC interview with presenter Fearne Cotton, Prince William and Prince Harry talked of their excitement ahead of the 1 July concert....Prince William said he and his brother had wanted more than a memorial service to celebrate their mother's life. "We wanted something that would really bring her whole spirit - her joy of life and everything that we thought she stood for - a bit more to the point and a concert of this magnitude balanced with the service will be a wonderful way to remember her," he said. He added that he felt a concert featuring some of Diana's favourite artists would be a fitting way to remember her 10 years after her death in a Paris car accident. "We used to catch her dancing to her music - we'd walk out the room rather embarrassed that our mother was just dancing around," Prince William said. "It was a big release for her and she had many artists that she loved listening to." The prince said a key reason for the concert was to encourage people to remember their mother in a positive light and counter criticism of her. "We want this year to go by and for people to remember all those good things she did," he said. "After ten years there's been a rumbling of people bringing up the bad and over time people seem to forget - or have forgotten - all the amazing things she did and what an amazing person she was."

"She did everything because she felt it was right and it was what she wanted to do," Prince William said. "She didn't go by what she thought the best thing was to do or be told to do something, she would do it from the heart and fully immerse herself into it and she cared, she cared massively. "We were left in no doubt that we were the most important thing in her life and then after that there was everyone else, there were all her charities and everything like that and to me that's a really good philosophy - she just loved caring for people and she loved helping." The princes also said they had desperately missed their mother but had learned to deal with their sense of loss. Prince William said: "We were so lucky to have her as our mother and there's not a day that goes past when we don't think about her and miss her influence because she was a massive example to both of us. "It's one of those things that is very sad but you learn to deal with it and there are plenty of other people out there who have got the same or worse problems than we've had." Prince Harry added: "She was a happy, fun, bubbly person who cared for so many people. She's very much missed by not only us, but by a lot of people and I think that's all that needs to be said, really."

(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/princes2PA1406_468x611.jpg)

"But there was continuing disquiet that the BBC had "dumbed down" its approach to the landmark interview by choosing the Radio 1 DJ to conduct the it rather than one of its more respected broadcasters.Miss Cotton, who is 25 and has described herself as a "mouthy little girl", got the nod ahead of respected broadcasters such as Huw Edwards and royal correspondent Nicholas Witchell. A BBC insider said: "Frankly it is ludicrous that a major interview with the sons of the Princess of Wales is not conducted by a proper journalist. Miss Cotton started her career in children's TV and went on to present the now defunct Top of the Pops and ITV's lowbrow reality show Love Island. She has also reported from the Oscars red carpet for Sky One, during which she called the actor Michael Sheen "Martin" and repeatedly informed the arriving stars that she was wearing "elasticated pants". "
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: ChristineM on June 17, 2007, 04:41:45 AM
As a former BBC staff member, it is with a real, genuine sadness that I agree.   The BBC is dumbing down and going down, down, D O W N.    Very, very sad.   I feel privlieged to have served that organisation when it still was the envy of world broadcasting.   All our former colleague feel very sad - and let down, but. hey, this is no different to what is happening to the4 NHS, to the British Armed Forces, the British Civil Service, the Royal Mail... and etc.   Ten years of Tony have taken their toll - as a nation - the UK that is - we will never recover.

Now - Scotland - that is another story!!!   Yorkshire should join us.   And anywhere outwith a 100 mile radius of London and its political opportunists.   

tsaria

Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: ChristineM on June 17, 2007, 04:45:25 AM
Sorry, off topic - the interview with the senior royal princes was, so far as I can see, handled sloppily and inappropriately.   

To what audience do they think they are they catering?

With a compulsory licence fee of £135.00 per annum - read that as TAX - (which is still less than the annual cost of a daily newspaper) they really shoud be doing better.

tsaria

Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Martyn on June 17, 2007, 12:15:45 PM
Martyn, 2 separate interviews were done, one of the US and one for the UK, the latter with a BBC reporter.

I would be nice if arrangements could be made for the UK to see the NBC interview and here in the USA, with the BBC one
I wonder whether we will have the chance to see it over here?


Thank you Marlene.
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Martyn on June 17, 2007, 12:20:50 PM
Sorry, off topic - the interview with the senior royal princes was, so far as I can see, handled sloppily and inappropriately.   

To what audience do they think they are they catering?

With a compulsory licence fee of £135.00 per annum - read that as TAX - (which is still less than the annual cost of a daily newspaper) they really shoud be doing better.

tsaria



I agree with you 100% on this Tsaria.

Fearne Cotten interviewing the Princes is such a ridiculous notion, as the woman can scarcely string a sentence together, let alone ask insightful questions on a rare opportunity for us to try to get a measure of these young men. 

Absurd.
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: gleb on June 17, 2007, 01:25:01 PM
As a former BBC staff member, it is with a real, genuine sadness that I agree.   The BBC is dumbing down and going down, down, D O W N.    Very, very sad.   I feel privlieged to have served that organisation when it still was the envy of world broadcasting.   All our former colleague feel very sad - and let down, but. hey, this is no different to what is happening to the4 NHS, to the British Armed Forces, the British Civil Service, the Royal Mail... and etc.   Ten years of Tony have taken their toll - as a nation - the UK that is - we will never recover.
  
tsaria



I am in Italy but I watch the BBC sometimes, and I totally agree. It's a real pity but this is what is happening,  in England and not only, it's the same here in Italy (maybe it's even worse).

Back on this topic, I'd like to say I appreciated the things both Princes said, I mean the content. What "disappointed" me is the way they said it. Should two Princes talk like that, I mean like many other youngsters? Shouldn't they be more distingué. Should a Prince say en continuelle "you know" etc. ?

Anyway these are details. The Monarchy must evolve, always.
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Martyn on June 17, 2007, 01:31:56 PM
As a former BBC staff member, it is with a real, genuine sadness that I agree.   The BBC is dumbing down and going down, down, D O W N.    Very, very sad.   I feel privlieged to have served that organisation when it still was the envy of world broadcasting.   All our former colleague feel very sad - and let down, but. hey, this is no different to what is happening to the4 NHS, to the British Armed Forces, the British Civil Service, the Royal Mail... and etc.   Ten years of Tony have taken their toll - as a nation - the UK that is - we will never recover.
  
tsaria



I am in Italy but I watch the BBC sometimes, and I totally agree. It's a real pity but this is what is happening,  in England and not only, it's the same here in Italy (maybe it's even worse).

Back on this topic, I'd like to say I appreciated the things both Princes said, I mean the content. What "disappointed" me is the way they said it. Should two Princes talk like that, I mean like many other youngsters? Shouldn't they be more distingué. Should a Prince say en continuelle "you know" etc. ?

Anyway these are details. The Monarchy must evolve, always.

I see what you are saying Gleb.

It's difficult to know which way to go with this.  On the one hand, we like to feel that our Princes are human and that they are connected to real life.  On the other, we expect them to be set apart from us by virtue of their birth.....Perhaps they will be come more distingue with age and experience?

Personally, I would prefer for them continually to be saying 'you know' than to be afflicted with the terrible speech affectations that have plagued previous generations of Windsors......
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on June 17, 2007, 01:38:21 PM
I think they both tried too hard to talk "cool."  But as Martyn said, if they talk formally young and adult people will call them stuck-up, if they talk "cool" young people call them cool, but adults will write off their future king as a __________ (can't find the word).  They have to walk a very tricky line in everything in their lives, even speech.

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Grace on June 17, 2007, 03:54:42 PM
I haven't seen it all, but I think it would have been better if this interview had not taken place really.  The princes seemed to have nothing particularly meaningful to say that we wouldn't already have guessed and the consensus here is that it was conducted without much thought from anyone involved and was too informal. 

The photo of the princes with the 'interviewer' is dreadful, dreadful.  It's time the two of them start working on a more happy medium between being 'down to earth' and retaining a little royal dignity as well - not easy but vital if they are to retain respect.
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Marlene on June 17, 2007, 09:58:32 PM
I realize this is OT, but the BBC  has ceased to become the only game in town.  It was one thing when Britain had four channels ... but quite another when cable and satellite came into being, and the BBC has had to compete.  It now has to bid for events that used to be the norm for BBC coverage.I really do not think Tony Blair can be blamed for the BBC problems.  The cost of programming has skyrocketed, and the BBC cannot depend on producing support from WGBH or A& E for costiume dramas, for example.  It is a lot less expensive to produce a reality tv program.  The Beeb has to compete in a much larger market with other firms with more money to spend.  It is becoming increasingly more difficult to compete.  As harsh as it sounds, the BBC may find itself wondering if the license is the way to go .. or get rid of the license, and accept adverts, which will certainly bring in more revenue not only to pay for programming but also to pay the salaries.

As a former BBC staff member, it is with a real, genuine sadness that I agree.   The BBC is dumbing down and going down, down, D O W N.    Very, very sad.   I feel privlieged to have served that organisation when it still was the envy of world broadcasting.   All our former colleague feel very sad - and let down, but. hey, this is no different to what is happening to the4 NHS, to the British Armed Forces, the British Civil Service, the Royal Mail... and etc.   Ten years of Tony have taken their toll - as a nation - the UK that is - we will never recover.

Now - Scotland - that is another story!!!   Yorkshire should join us.   And anywhere outwith a 100 mile radius of London and its political opportunists.   

tsaria


Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Taren on June 18, 2007, 05:17:20 AM
What exactly was the purpose of the interview? Was it just to mark the ten year anniversary of their mother's death? I wouldn't be so sure that the princes' language use was really meant to show how down to earth and "cool" they are. If it was, then it backfired. Gossip blogger and no stranger to odd language himself Perez Hilton posted an item the other day mocking William's repeated usage of the phrase "you know". As a 21 year old I think I speak for my generation when I say that one doesn't have to dumb himself down (if that was what he was doing) in order to appear "cool" or "hip". Americans in particular still have a great affinity for the late Princess of Wales -and her sons by association. Basically, anything between the repeated "you knows" and waltzing out with a crown and knee britches on would have been better.
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: ChristineM on June 18, 2007, 06:56:10 AM
IMarlene - its not just the deteriorating standards of broadcasting as a whole (BBC included) that I hold Tony Blair and his sycophants responsible for destroying.   Its pretty much the entire infrastructure of our nation that is. and has been, under assault.   Seems to me, we are entering a new 'Dark Age'.   The US, during and post Bush, will probably be even worse.

If supportive evidence is required - a Scottish Nationalist Party administration in Edinburgh is as good an indication as I can give.   With luck, we might even find Edinburgh, once more, become the seat of a new 'Enlightenment'.

I do agree with those who see little purpose in the Princes William and Harry interview.   The British too still hold dear the memory of their late mother.   This interview does nothing to either diminish or enhance that.

tsaria

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Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Marlene on June 18, 2007, 08:48:50 AM
You may be right about Tony and co.  However,  the BBC, regardless of standards.  is not the only game in town anymore, and competition is difficult ..

in the case of the interviews: it is obvious that the interviews were stage-managed - and questions approved and so forth.  I was surprised that William and Harry kept referring to their mother as her ... rather than Mum.

Fearne was  not foisted on them -- they would have had to approve her.
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: ChristineM on June 18, 2007, 09:11:45 AM
The BBC might no longer be 'the only game in town', but out of the entire bunch, even in its current condition, it is still the best.

tsaria
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Marlene on June 18, 2007, 10:37:22 AM
the report issued this am was rather fascinating regarding the current status of the Beeb
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: ChristineM on June 18, 2007, 11:38:56 AM
Yes, I have read it - and it is absolutely symptomatic of what I was trying to say earlier... Blairs Britain - does not just apply to the BBC.

tsaria
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: grandduchessella on June 18, 2007, 01:56:29 PM
What exactly was the purpose of the interview? Was it just to mark the ten year anniversary of their mother's death? I wouldn't be so sure that the princes' language use was really meant to show how down to earth and "cool" they are. If it was, then it backfired. Gossip blogger and no stranger to odd language himself Perez Hilton posted an item the other day mocking William's repeated usage of the phrase "you know". As a 21 year old I think I speak for my generation when I say that one doesn't have to dumb himself down (if that was what he was doing) in order to appear "cool" or "hip". Americans in particular still have a great affinity for the late Princess of Wales -and her sons by association. Basically, anything between the repeated "you knows" and waltzing out with a crown and knee britches on would have been better.

Yes, the interviews (given on the same day as you can tell by their clothes) to the BBC and NBC were to mark the anniversary of Diana's death.

The use of the 'you know' reminds me of when I was a teen (way back when!) and used it frequently, sometimes without realizing it. One day I was relating a story to my Dad and I guess I kept saying it because he finally interrupted and said 'No, I don't know--I thought that was the point of you telling me.' I pretty much stopped saying if after that!  ;) ::)
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Iskenderbey on June 18, 2007, 02:15:54 PM
You know, after watching the interview, I was amazed at how much Harry does look/sound like his father.  I could see a spitting image of Prince Charles, and not to mention, his voice reminded me very much of Prince Charles as well.  Might I add taht I could see Prince Philip in there too.

REgards to all,

Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Marlene on June 18, 2007, 10:14:44 PM
The resemblance to Charles is there for all to see ...  it should be noted that this interview was unscripted so Matt did have an opportunity to ask questions without approval.
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: JBenjamin82 on June 19, 2007, 01:50:33 AM
What exactly was the purpose of the interview? Was it just to mark the ten year anniversary of their mother's death? I wouldn't be so sure that the princes' language use was really meant to show how down to earth and "cool" they are. If it was, then it backfired. Gossip blogger and no stranger to odd language himself Perez Hilton posted an item the other day mocking William's repeated usage of the phrase "you know". As a 21 year old I think I speak for my generation when I say that one doesn't have to dumb himself down (if that was what he was doing) in order to appear "cool" or "hip". Americans in particular still have a great affinity for the late Princess of Wales -and her sons by association. Basically, anything between the repeated "you knows" and waltzing out with a crown and knee britches on would have been better.

I saw that as well.  It doesn't sound as bad as it looks typed out.  I think he still manages to come across well-spoken. 
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Mari on June 19, 2007, 02:42:00 AM
I thought the interview was to explain that they wanted the side of their Mother that was fun and humanitarian to be remembered not the kind of Death she had. As well it is a chance to raise money for Charities that She supported. To sort of take control of what had been said... about her and written about her... and say "Remember her this way."  Looking at it in that light is it that important if they say a phrase often....I mean if you've ever been taped (I have ) then you realize everyone of us have words we use way too often. 

And because I feel someone will say "but your not Royal I will say No, But we're all Human! Aren't We?  ;D
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on June 19, 2007, 07:36:36 AM
I watched the entire interview on NBC last night and I had a few thoughts:

-Charles was rarely mentioned, when he was portrayed as a distant father
-The Queen was not mentioned at all

After watching it enforced my old feeling that William is the more responsible one and Harry is the party boy, it comes out in the way the speak.  The interview also tried to show the closeness between the boys, which I believe Matt Lauer was good at.  The boys were also shown in almost an orphan light, which will hurt Charles' popularity, and that they only have each other to lean on.   

Overall, the interview was good for Diana, William and Harry but bad for Charles. 

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Marlene on June 19, 2007, 08:36:00 AM
I was a little miffed at the distant father bit too, which was something that Diana tried to portray, which in fact, was incorrect.  A great example:  the boys running to Diana on the yacht in Canada - -- if you watch the entire video (not the cropped version or see the cropped photo),  Charles was there, too, swinging his kids into the air.
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Martyn on June 19, 2007, 11:29:46 AM
Well it would seem that is the impression that they are now giving too.

Difficult to judge the true nature of their relationship with their father; perhaps the editing had something to do with it?
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: grandduchessella on June 19, 2007, 01:52:35 PM
I think it was probably the editing and perhaps the American (pro-Diana) bias, conscious or not. Over the years, it seems the boys have spoken very well of their father and their body language when with him seems relaxed and comfortable. I think it's just how, and in what venue, it's portrayed.

Back in 1993 there was this card:

(http://everythingroyal.com/christmascard10b.jpg)

They seem very relaxed yet this was at a high point of the 'distant father' stories.

1994:

(http://everythingroyal.com/christmascard12b.jpg)


1995
(http://everythingroyal.com/christmascard13b.jpg)

1999

(http://everythingroyal.com/christmascard17b.jpg)

A 2006 MSNBC interview with Charles & the boys (video):

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12873933/
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: grandduchessella on June 19, 2007, 02:02:09 PM
Other parts of the interview (video) are up here now:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19190534/

They include new chapters:

Princely nicknames: 'Wombat' and 'Ginger'
The reality of war for Prince William, Harry
A concert for Diana

Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: grandduchessella on June 19, 2007, 02:03:02 PM
Some transcripts:

Matt Lauer: Let me talk a little bit about your image in terms of in the United States separately.
Prince William: We have an image? That's news to me.
Prince Harry: It can't be good.
Matt Lauer: All right, William, you're seen probably as studious, thoughtful, dutiful, proper.
Prince Harry: Was that "dutiful" or "beautiful"?
Prince William: Proper.
Matt Lauer: Dutiful.
Prince William: And beautiful.
Matt Lauer: Dutiful and beautiful.
Prince William: Just, just…
Matt Lauer: So Harry, how close is that in describing your brother?
Prince William: Now, be honest.  Don't just come out and go "It's all rubbish."
Prince Harry: Well, I think it’s, you can't really ask me because I'm his brother, so I see a different side of him.  But, you know… 
Matt Lauer: So how would you describe him?
Prince Harry: No, you don't want to know that. No, I'm sure that's fantastic that the American people think that of William.  I think there's, I mean, as long, as long as we want to be fools, we can…
Matt Lauer: Well, what is the thing that -- that people should know about William that they don't know?
Prince William: Just a legend.
Prince Harry: No, I don't know. He enjoys himself more than people think.  You know, he works very hard.  He's definitely the more intelligent one of the two of us.
Prince Harry: As I'm sure that's the next point that's going to come up.
Matt Lauer: I wasn't going to say that at all.
Prince Harry: What do you mean "don't put myself down"?  You're knocking me down the whole time!
Matt Lauer: So are you telling me, William, that Harry is not a little more volatile, carefree, a bit of a wild thing?
Prince William: Oh, he's a wild thing, all right.  Yeah.

Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: grandduchessella on June 19, 2007, 02:04:36 PM
Matt Lauer: As a mom -- what are your greatest memories? 
Prince Harry: You've got to understand we were so young.  I mean, I was twelve.  He was fourteen.
Prince William: Fourteen, yeah.
Prince Harry: Fourteen.
Matt Lauer: Yeah.
Prince Harry: Fifteen and you know, it still upsets me now, the fact that we didn't have much of a chance as…
Matt Lauer: Right.
Prince Harry: …as children to sort of spend time with her.  But the time we did spend with her was amazing and as a mother, as anybody would say about their mother, just amazing. 

Matt Lauer: She used to call you "Wombat."  Which is cute…
Prince William: Yeah.
Matt Lauer: …when you're seven.
Prince William: Yeah.
Matt Lauer: I guess you don't want your mates in the pub going, "Hey Wombat,  how are you?"
Prince William: It kind of stuck with me.  I can't get rid of it now.
Matt Lauer: Well where did that come from?
Prince William: It began when I was two. I've been rightfully told because I can't remember back that far.  But when we went to Australia with our parents, and the wombat, you know, that's the local animal.  So I just basically got called that.  Not because I look like a wombat.  Or maybe I do.
Matt Lauer: Does it make you cringe now?
Prince Harry: You know what it was.  He was still crawling at six. 
Matt Lauer: He was?
Prince Harry: He still couldn't walk.  He was still, lazy.
Matt Lauer: So all right just get him back. What's his nickname?
Prince William: Oh, Ginger.  Whatever.  You can call him whatever you want.  Most of them I can't call in front of here.  You know, a bit rude.  He's got plenty.
Matt Lauer: Ginger?
Prince Harry: I know exactly.  You're so surprised as I am.  I don't think I'm Gin...
Prince William: Apart from the fact you are.
Prince Harry: Shall we not?  Let's not.

Prince Harry: She wasn't always herself in the camera. She was much more natural behind the scenes when there was no one else there.
Prince William: Yeah.
Prince Harry: And she could be herself.  It was...
Matt Lauer: Did you notice that when by the way you would see coverage and you'd see her on camera and say, "That's not quite mom?"
Prince Harry: Well, she was; I don't know whether it's the right thing to say.  But she was quite good at acting.  If you know what I mean.  She wasn't acting as though trying to be somebody that she wasn't.  But very much trying to be as normal as she could in front of the cameras which she hated so much.
Prince William: It was the enormity of the occasion and the pressure and all eyes on, as it were.  You just felt, wherever you went, people were watching you just because, you know, they were interested to see how you react.
Prince William: There's a lot of times that she was very sad because she'd been chased down the street by guys on motor bikes and stuff like this. 
Matt Lauer: Did she ever sit you down and talk about the fame and the weight that it presented?
Prince Harry: It was obvious.
Matt Lauer: Yeah.
Prince Harry: For both of us it was just so obvious when she comes back from doing whatever she'd been doing whether it was tennis and she'd been chased down the road or doing public engagement.  It was clear to see that the pressure that she was under sometimes, depending on where she'd been and what she'd been doing.


Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: grandduchessella on June 19, 2007, 02:05:56 PM
Prince William: You know, Harry's had…
Prince Harry: Careful what you say.
Prince William: …his fair share of hard time by the media.  And at the end of the day, no matter what you think, the only person you're ever going to get to know to be able to form that opinion is him.  No matter what you read or what you see, you're never going to know someone unless you actually get to meet them and talk to them properly. That's what I say about everyone.
Prince Harry: That's actually the most amusing point is meeting somebody and them going, "You're so not what I thought you were."  And to both of us on to, you know, to our father, to everybody.  You're not what I thought you were, and, "Well, what did you think?"  "Oh, I best not say it to your face," like this.  Well, thanks a lot.
Matt Lauer: I hope you mean that they're pleasantly surprised and not disappointed by you.
Prince Harry: Well, it's not.  It's because they believe what they read, which is...
Matt Lauer: Right.
Prince Harry: You know, God knows what is said in the papers that we don't read about that, you know, it's just poisonous.
Matt Lauer: If you look at a Madonna or you look at a Michael Jordan -- incredibly famous at a certain period of their lives.  But there will come a time in their lives where people will look at them on the street and go, "He used to be famous."  Michael Jordan used to play basketball.  You two are going to be famous every day of your lives.
Prince William: Well…
Prince Harry: There's a difference.
Prince William: …we don't know about that; maybe.
Matt Lauer: Well I mean you will always be holding the position you hold.
Prince Harry: But I think it's very different when you're famous for sport, famous for this and this. You know we were born into it.  If you're born into it I think it's normal to feel as though you don't really want it, if that makes sense.  Whereas other people have got the fame whether they want it or, but...
Matt Lauer: They choose it.
Prince Harry: …they choose it, or they're just so naturally talented at a sport that that's what comes with it and they've got to deal with it, like David Beckham.
Prince William: But he likes selling himself.  So he's fine with that.
Matt Lauer: But is it daunting to think about how long this is probably going to last for you?
Prince William: Again, you just don't want to, you don't really think about it, you know?  You just take every day as it comes and -- and get on with stuff.
Matt Lauer: Do you ever get in a situation where you were in school or you're in a military and you befriend somebody or, maybe more importantly, they befriend you.  And you start to wonder, "Do they like me because I'm Harry or because I'm William or because I'm that Harry and that William?"
Prince William: It goes through your mind every time you meet someone new, every time you go out and meet some people or whatever. And it's one thing I'm really sort of quite guarded about.  And I know Harry is as well. 

Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: grandduchessella on June 19, 2007, 02:08:08 PM
Matt Lauer: As I left the States, obviously, you're on the cover of a lot of magazines there for what's happened with your relationship with Kate. Is there blame, in your opinion, on the press for what happened?
Prince William: No. I mean, what I do with my private life is really between me and myself basically.  You know, I don't listen to newspapers.  I don't take any advice from them. I don’t.
Matt Lauer: Do you read any of it?
Prince William: Well, you occasionally see a bit of it here and there.  But you know, you just let it wash over you, you know? I'm bigger than that.  I don't need the press to tell me what to do.
Matt Lauer: But if you read something that's not true about a personal relationship, do you ever want to get up on the highest point in London or in England and scream out, "Hey guys, you're wrong.  Here's what really happened"?
Prince William: Possibly. But then you come down, you get to their level.  You don't want to do that.  You know, just let…
Prince Harry: Just…
Prince William: …them write what you want to write because at the end of the day, you can't stop it.  And, you know, there's no point in fighting it.
Prince Harry: …it's very hard because the press have given us images that suits them, which…
Prince William: …at the end of the day, neither of us care much about images. We just -- we're ourselves.  And if, you know, what gets reported and what people make up that assumption or their opinions is -- is up to them.  But, you know, we don't go about trying to do anything we wouldn't normally do.

[Interview was done before Harry's deployment was cancelled]

Prince Harry: I've been, you know, nicknamed the "bullet magnet" already.
Matt Lauer: Do you worry?
Prince William: Yeah, I worry.
Prince Harry: He's not bothered at all.
Prince William: Good to get him out of the house, you know, and get away from us.  But at the same time, of course I worry. But I've got full confidence in what he does.  You know, he knows what he's doing, and he's very good at what his job is.  And also I've got full confidence that, you know, that if things do get out of hand that, you know, measures will be taken to make sure that no one else is hurt.
Matt Lauer: So if the military decided, you know what, it's too risky to you and the others and I'm not going to send you to Iraq, would you be disappointed?
Prince Harry: I would be disappointed, but I mean, I think I can safely say that my guys would be disappointed. All that training that you've done as a group, you know each other, how each other works.  You know when someone's grumpy without having to ask them. Just with, you know, there's that bond.
Matt Lauer: So it would break up this cohesive group at exactly the wrong time.
Prince Harry: At exactly the wrong time. But at the same time, I can completely understand because the last thing I want is to feel myself I'm responsible for someone else being injured in any way at all.

Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: grandduchessella on June 19, 2007, 02:09:20 PM
They've attended to every detail, even the photo of their mother that graces the concert's Web site. It's part of a shoot by renowned fashion photographer Mario Testino; what turned out to be the last photo shoot of Diana's short life.

Prince William: She's become iconic with his photographs and everyone sees that.  And so we wanted to find one that really stood out in our minds that was that sort of was her.  You know her smiling through and her happiness and all that sort of thing.
Prince Harry: Every single photo had something special about it.  And this one was sort of you know it wasn't sad to look at and it wasn't sort of over-the-top happy. It was just perfect. It was you know casual, dignified. It was the one that was most natural to us without her sort of.
Matt Lauer: It reminded you most of your mom.
Prince William: It was the face that we've seen you know from her.

It's been reported that William in particular was outraged when people who had been close to his mother turned on her.

Prince William: Harry and I are both quite upset about it, that our mother's trust has been betrayed, and that even now she's still being exploited. There's always people out there who want to make money.  And that's their certain choice and method is to do it this way.
Matt Lauer: So it's become a cottage industry.
Prince William: Yeah.

Matt Lauer: As you guys are sitting at this concert, and I would imagine you'll have pretty good seats, what's going to be going through your mind?
Prince William: "Please, God, be a success."
Matt Lauer: Well, what will qualify that?  How will you know if it's a success?  Is it ticket sales?  Is it the look on people's faces as they walk back out of the stadium?
Prince William: Yeah, I think…
Prince Harry: It's the whole thing, isn't it?
Prince William: …it's the look that people give exactly as they come out.  The feeling that everyone got.  And at the same time, that we've actually got across our message both, you know, what our mother meant to us and what we believe that she represented.
Prince Harry: I just think the concert is the perfect opportunity for people to celebrate her life rather than her death, if you know what I mean.
Matt Lauer: And if the people leave the stadium talking only about the music and not stopping to talk about your mom, is that okay, too?
Prince Harry: It's understandable.
Prince William: It's, you know -- there will be people there who are coming because it's a concert and not because of her.  But I genuinely believe that there'll be lots of people there who have come for her and want to, you know, see what they can get out of it.  And I really hope that everyone just leaves with a really nice, warm feeling and are going, "Yeah, that was the Princess of Wales I remember, that's her.  That was the Diana I remember."

Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Janet on June 19, 2007, 03:53:56 PM
One of the best parts (I put the key word in bold; I was so glad to hear him say this):
Quote
Matt Lauer:   So then in some ways you probably understand the public fascination with this inquiry.
Prince William:   Yeah, but at the same time there's a lot of people feeding it, and unnecessarily, I might add.  You know -- to the whole sort of conspiracy side of things.

He should have shouted it.
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Noelle Royale on June 19, 2007, 06:57:03 PM
Fascinating interview.Very natural.
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: gleb on June 20, 2007, 11:09:27 AM

I see what you are saying Gleb.

It's difficult to know which way to go with this.  On the one hand, we like to feel that our Princes are human and that they are connected to real life.  On the other, we expect them to be set apart from us by virtue of their birth.....Perhaps they will be come more distingue with age and experience?

Personally, I would prefer for them continually to be saying 'you know' than to be afflicted with the terrible speech affectations that have plagued previous generations of Windsors......

I think you're right, Martyn. The more they are natural the best it is for their image. The old times have gone and probably modern subjects don't want a King who stands on a pedestal.
 
I am just a nostalgic person :)
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Grace on June 20, 2007, 04:50:36 PM
It depends what you mean by 'natural'.  Prince William would benefit from some help with his speech and the way he projects himself, IMHO.  :)
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on June 20, 2007, 05:07:21 PM
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Prince William would benefit from some help with his speech

I think Harry is the one who needs some speech help, I believe William sounds like a real king.

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Grace on June 20, 2007, 05:13:11 PM
They both could do with assistance in this area but it will be of more use for William, his future as it is.  He slouches, he does not look directly at anyone and his diction is poor, not to mention his over-use of 'you know'.  :)
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Noelle Royale on June 20, 2007, 05:51:57 PM
It depends what you mean by 'natural'.  Prince William would benefit from some help with his speech and the way he projects himself, IMHO.  :)

I know.But I think that's how they really are sadly.I agree with you.What I mean about natural is that I think they really projected their real selves.I do agree that they do need help with their speech and their posture.
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Lucien on June 21, 2007, 06:10:31 AM
They both could do with assistance in this area but it will be of more use for William, his future as it is.  He slouches, he does not look directly at anyone and his diction is poor, not to mention his over-use of 'you know'.  :)

Agree with you Grace!

Prince William turns 25 today,you know,so yeah,you know... :P
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Lolita on June 29, 2007, 10:08:49 AM
I didn't know where to post this but a concert in honor of the princess Diana Spencer is on NBC tonight beginning 8 p.m. ET.

here an article about the concert and Diana's legacy

Enjoy!

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/19494133/

Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Imperial.Opal on June 29, 2007, 03:18:23 PM
The Concert for Diana will be broadcast in Sydney on Monday night on Channel 9, between 8.30 pm to 11.30pm,. check times for other states. ;)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Taren on June 30, 2007, 08:30:49 PM
The concert for Diana has actually been discussed a great deal for the past few months in the Windsor section. ;)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Imperial.Opal on July 01, 2007, 06:02:43 AM
Taren, thanks for the info on the thread about the Concert, hope the weather improves. ;)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Martyn on July 01, 2007, 08:27:22 AM
Today is the day of the memorial concert for the late Princess of Wales.

Organised by her sons, it is intended to remember her on this day, which would have been her forty-sixth birthday.

Let's hope that the weather, which has been frightful, particularly here in Yorkshire,  stays fine enough for everyone to enjoy themselves.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 01, 2007, 11:30:19 AM
Anyone with a computer may listen to it live on BBC RADIO2.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 01:20:35 PM
I didn't know where to post this but a concert in honor of the princess Diana Spencer is on NBC tonight beginning 8 p.m. ET.

here an article about the concert and Diana's legacy

Enjoy!

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/19494133/



They are only airing a recap of the concert--probably highlights of some of the more notable performances. The entire concert is being aired live on VH1. They just finished up with Tom Jones here.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Taren on July 01, 2007, 01:32:09 PM
The presenters on VH1 have said that if you have missed any of the performances, they're up (or will be up) on the VH1 website.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 01:46:50 PM
So far, it's been a lovely celebration of the princess. You can see the love and care the boys put into this celebration of their mother--the clips, the photos, the choices of many acts with a personal connection to the Princess. They just started to sing Memory from Cats--I love that song, it always makes me cry.

(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/74974569.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193FE27433493C03A1054D772B0133403B7)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/modern/74974384concert.jpg)

(http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-18587102.jpg?size=67&uid={3c7f8250-ff46-4dfd-9fd1-d7cd2455ec2a})

Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 02:16:53 PM
At the concert for Diana

(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/74974569.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193FE27433493C03A1054D772B0133403B7)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/modern/74974390concert.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/modern/74974385concert.jpg)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 02:17:19 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/modern/74974370concert.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/modern/74974372concert.jpg)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 05:31:26 PM
(http://dlisted.com/files/images/princediana3.preview.jpg)

(http://dlisted.com/files/images/princediana1.preview.jpg)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 05:33:16 PM
At rehearsal

(http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-18583479.jpg?size=67&uid={95e885e1-430e-464d-af68-cec3dfefb86f})

The concert

(http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-18587099.jpg?size=67&uid={4097000a-863a-4916-91e7-91042aadcc35})

(http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-18586962.jpg?size=67&uid={e27daf2d-4320-4bfb-9b86-94e8aee10052})
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 05:35:25 PM
Greeting Sir Elton John

(http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-18586886.jpg?size=67&uid={b0175509-5134-4dbf-9517-b73ea54977d5})

(http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-18587050.jpg?size=67&uid={8713e3a9-8def-4af6-bf7d-01febee868e4})
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 05:38:18 PM
William being a gentleman and shielding Joss Stone (who admitted her huge crush on him) from the rain:

(http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-18583383.jpg?size=67&uid={396d0420-24e4-4fcd-b6db-d298e24deef1})

Greeting Nelly Furtado

(http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-18587026.jpg?size=67&uid={a54a513d-d1dc-483c-86ef-c2e984dad987})
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 05:43:54 PM
I've merged this thread (from the Discussion Forum) with the prior 'should Charles & Camilla attend the concert' thread to make one complete Diana Concert thread.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 05:49:44 PM
(http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-18587947.jpg?size=67&uid={c3b1c263-31f0-475a-b306-096c20f32b41})
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 05:58:43 PM
(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/74969055.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193FE27433493C03A100A47221EFC59E0C7)

Inspecting programmes

(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/74969035.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193FE27433493C03A1058170323856456BC)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 05:59:43 PM
At the end:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/74976246WH.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/74976245WH.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/74976243WH.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/74976111WH.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/74975964WH.jpg)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 06:00:18 PM
Thanking Sir Elton John, who closed out the concert

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/74976033WH.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/74976180WH.jpg)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: TampaBay on July 01, 2007, 06:01:27 PM
Rod Stewart who can still sing needs to hang it up!! He was trying to hard to be cool and young!

TampaBay
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 06:15:28 PM
I loved Rod! I don't care if he's getting long in the tooth, he's still a great performer. The 'old-timers' in the concert tonight could give some of the youngers (I'm speaking to you Will Young and Nelly Furtado) a tip on how to put on a concert performance. I loved Bryan Ferry. And Joe Perry was playing guitar duriing Tom Jones's set! Aerosmith was the first concert I ever went to.  :) I did like Joss Stone a lot--she has an amazing voice (nothing like what you'd think would come out of her) and is just so cute, even with that godawful hair.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: TampaBay on July 01, 2007, 07:04:37 PM
I love Rod too! Somethng just did not seem right though.

I saw last the three hours except the last two acts, Duran Duran and Elton John.

What song(s) did Duran Duran sing?

Did Sir Elton sing "Candle in th Wind".?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 07:20:30 PM
I have the ending on tape since I had to go out, but Elton John was scheduled to close out the concert by singing his revised version of Candle in the Wind. It would be the first time since 1997 that he had done so, I believe, as he only signs the old Marilyn Monroe version in concert.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 07:25:39 PM
Kate Middleton and various Spencers (in the front) at the concert:

(http://buzznet-00.vo.llnwd.net/media/jj1/2007/07/middleton-concert/kate-middleton-concert-for-diana-06.jpg)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: TampaBay on July 01, 2007, 07:27:29 PM
Who is the older blond woman in front?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 07:28:43 PM
I believe that's Diana's older sister Sarah, isn't it? The girl next to her looks like Earl Spencer in drag.  :-X

Harry & Chelsy

(http://buzznet-00.vo.llnwd.net/media/jj1/2007/07/harry-concert/prince-harry-concert-for-diana-03.jpg)

(http://buzznet-00.vo.llnwd.net/media/jj1/2007/07/harry-concert/prince-harry-concert-for-diana-12.jpg)

Elton John opened the concert singing Your Song, my favorite Elton John song and one of my favorite songs period.

David Beckham, please don't grow a dark beard and dye your hair platinum blond.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 09:14:11 PM
Along with Chelsea & Kate (the only ones the captions ID'd) you can see Diana's sisters Jane and Sarah and who I presume must be some of Diana's nieces and nephews. Perhaps some of our British members can tell who is who:

Jane:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/modern/74976554concert.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/modern/74976557concert.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/modern/74976572concert.jpg)

Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 09:15:04 PM
Sarah (in dark blazer and reddish hair)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/modern/74976575concert.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/modern/74976569concert.jpg)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Grace on July 01, 2007, 10:04:34 PM
Kate Middleton and various Spencers (in the front) at the concert:

(http://buzznet-00.vo.llnwd.net/media/jj1/2007/07/middleton-concert/kate-middleton-concert-for-diana-06.jpg)

Bottom left is Jane Fellowes - Sarah's hair is more red and she wore a navy blazer with light blue shirt.  :)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2007, 10:08:14 PM
You're right, I got the sisters mixed up.  :P I'll go back and switch the headings. Still, I pride myself on being able to pick them out as sisters without any caption help.  ;)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Imperial.Opal on July 02, 2007, 07:02:52 AM
 grandduchessella  :)

 Great job you have done with the pictures of William and Harry at the Concert :D

I am watching the BBC highlights on TV now, Status Quo have just finished their
song Rocking all over the World, looking forward to Elton Johns finale with his tribute to Diana,
the revised version of Candle in the Wind. ;)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Leuchtenberg on July 02, 2007, 07:40:29 AM
Hmmm....


http://sg.answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AqyocgbtEZ4_UJsa.Ag4uvb44gt.?qid=20070701202752AAiM3cb
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: ferngully on July 02, 2007, 07:43:26 AM
charming ::) ok, maybe the concert wasn't all that. but it wasn't so bad
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 02, 2007, 08:36:16 AM
Hmmm....


http://sg.answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AqyocgbtEZ4_UJsa.Ag4uvb44gt.?qid=20070701202752AAiM3cb

Whatever.  ::) Nice touch of cynicism to fit today's age. As someone who has lost a much-loved parent, I thought it was a really nice tribute.

At the after-party with some of the performers:

With Kanye West & P Diddy

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/diana/74980347DiddyandKanyeWest.jpg)

With Natasha Bedingfield, Tom Jones and Joss Stone

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/diana/74980354NatashaBedingfieldJossStone.jpg)

With Take That (I loved their performance and didn't even miss Robbie Williams  :))

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/diana/74980353TakeThat.jpg)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 02, 2007, 08:38:09 AM
What song(s) did Duran Duran sing?
TampaBay

"(Reach Up for the) Sunrise", "Wild Boys" and "Rio"
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 02, 2007, 09:50:12 AM
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_03/PrinceDance0107_468x333.jpg)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 02, 2007, 11:28:14 AM
Finally 2 photos with Beatrice & Eugenie and Earl Spencer (courtesy of BRMB). I had seen them in the audience during the concert but couldn't find a photo with them.

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/modern/74973658beaeug.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/modern/74973597ear.jpg)

That boy in the pink shirt has got to be his son.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Aine on July 02, 2007, 01:29:28 PM
It wasn't so bad. I only really enjoyed a handful of the performances, but the crowd seemed to be having a great time so I'm chalking some of it up to different tastes. And I actually really liked the "Diana & me" segments and the home videos at the end. I thought they were very sweet and achieved the goal of reminding people about all the kind, good things she stood for.

One of the responses to that Yahoo!Answers article included, "And poor old Sir Elton having his act cut short by protocol. Very Diana." I hadn't actually heard that his act was cut short, but I know everyone was anticipating "Candle in the Wind" - does anyone here know what actually happened? (Did the princes change their minds, did he not want to sing it, did they need to wrap it up, etc?)

Aine
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Taren on July 02, 2007, 03:11:50 PM
I had heard they needed to wrap the concert up by 10:30 at the latest because it was in a residential district. They actually ran over and came pretty close to 10:30, so there must not have been time to perform Candle in the Wind. I initally had hoped he would perform it, but looking back I don't think it would have been in the spirit of the rest of the show to close it on such a sad note when everything else was pretty upbeat. I think it would be more appropriate if he were to play it at the memorial service. But maybe that's just me.

I didn't care for much of the performances, but definitely enjoyed the Diana and Me segments. It was so nice to see some of the lesser known people from some of the most famous photos of Diana and have them relate their memories of her.

On another note, Earl Spencer's son looks quite a bit like Harry did at that age.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Leuchtenberg on July 02, 2007, 03:48:49 PM
Hmmm....


http://sg.answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AqyocgbtEZ4_UJsa.Ag4uvb44gt.?qid=20070701202752AAiM3cb

Whatever.  ::) Nice touch of cynicism to fit today's age. As someone who has lost a much-loved parent, I thought it was a really nice tribute.



I saw only a small bit of the concert, so not enough to form my own opinion on it.  I did find the remarks on yahoo interesting and not all of the posts were negative.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Leuchtenberg on July 02, 2007, 03:50:43 PM
Finally 2 photos with Beatrice & Eugenie and Earl Spencer (courtesy of BRMB). I had seen them in the audience during the concert but couldn't find a photo with them.




Earl Spencer, as he ages, looks more and more like his father.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on July 02, 2007, 04:37:02 PM
Yes I thought the concert was good but their was many negative comments on yahoo and vh1 about the concert. Those are great pictures of the concert grandduchessella !!! :)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 02, 2007, 06:22:52 PM
I enjoyed the concert very much, even if a  bit long...
And I generally dislike criticising a woman's looks, but does  Diana's sister look a tad TOO much like Camilla?  What a pair of bow-wows.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: TampaBay on July 02, 2007, 06:35:56 PM
Robert,

I was thouth the same thing and was going to bring it up.....

TampaBay
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Arleen on July 02, 2007, 07:47:46 PM
Grandduchessella you are such a doll for posting all of those photographs, thank you so much!

I only got to see the hour that NBC presented here in the US at 8:00 PM last night, but I enjoyed it all!!  (alas no cable or I would have watched it all)

I thought William and Harry did well!   ( I wish Harry had not cut his hair so much, he looked better when he was interviewed by Matt Lauer a few weeks earlier.)  I think it was lovely of them to put on the concert for their Mother.  It seemed just the right touch to me.

Diana certainly was the best looking one of her immediate family.....by far!  The rest are dogs.

The ones I didn't enjoy much were Tom Jones and Rod Stewart.....too old and "durty old man" acting, they should hang it up.  I CAN say that because I am about their age.....I  like the younger generation so much better in EVERY way!  Elton John is getting up there too and sure looks FRUMPY,  but I simply adore his music and always have.....wish he could have done Candle in the Wind!!!!

All in all spoken like the old fart that I am!

Arleen
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 02, 2007, 07:54:05 PM
I wondered about Candle in the Wind. Prince Harry had said they asked him to perform it. I can't imagine he would refuse and, if he had, that Harry would've mentioned the asking in the first place. They had some technical difficulties which led him to drop 1-2 songs--perhaps this was one? Or they decided that, the concert being mostly upbeat, they didn't want to end on such a solemn note after all?
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on July 02, 2007, 07:58:21 PM
that could have been it, the concert being up-beat I mean. in the interview with Matt Lauer, William said that he would understand if anyone came for the music instead of Diana.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: ChristineM on July 03, 2007, 06:17:49 AM
I assume that is the Earl Spencer's daughter standing alongside him.   She looks uncannily like her late Aunt Diana when she was about that age.

Candle in the Wind simply would not have fitted the tone the princes wanted to set in celebration of their late mother's life and to give her the 'best birthday present she never had'.

I watched it, almost, in its entirety.   The one great relief was not to have constant begging breaks and the Bob Geldof's of this world shouting, swearing and exhorting viewers to part with cash.

I thought Rod Stewart elevated what was fast become an extremely dull event.   Poor English National Ballet - they murdered Act 4 of Swan Lake.   I can understand why it was there, but for me, it didn't work and they were put in an impossible situation.   Additionally it was shockingly badly shot, but I do not beliee it is possible to film or televise ballet successfully.   What I thought was hugely successful and I could have taken much more (amazing given that I do not like musicals) was the Andrew Lloyd Webber set.   Connie Fisher sang 'Memories' beautifully and Andrea Bocelli was amazing.   Sarah Brightman was awful.   I think she felt she was somehow competing with Connie Fisher in terms of technical ability... and lost - she sang - almost consistently - sharp.   It was obvious from word 'Go' that Sir Elton John was not a happy man.   By the end, he barely concealed his fury and its probably just as well there was no time for 'Crocodile Rock' because the crocodile might just have snapped.
As for Duran Duran - for me - Rio would have been enough.   Bryan Ferry and Tom Jones felt like 'fillers'.   Lily Allen was great.    Ricky Gervais was landed in the soup and got lost.

All in all - the concert lasted far too long.    Even at three hours, it would have been more than long enough.   With the exception of Elton John and perhaps Rod Stewart, from the pop/rock point of view, I felt it was pretty second rate.   Where were Paul MacCartney, Madonna, Bono, David Bowie, Mick Jagger, the recently reformed Police..............and so on?    I can't believe Diana was not a fan of theirs.   

I find it hard to believe that I thought the 'musical' section was the real winner - set/orchestration/performance/organisation - it was the best.

Diana's boys did their best in a foreign forum - best to look at it in that light.

tsaria
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Mari on July 03, 2007, 07:17:31 AM
I loved the Concert and I watched it expecting it to be just what it was....I've been to some of the big Rock Concerts that were chaos and this one flowed and everyone looked like they were having a good time in the audience!!! But mostly I thought about Princess Diana.... and would She have been up dancing herself when She was in her twenties? The end of the Concert with the home movies of her as a Baby and a Child were very touching.... very..... and I especially hoped Prince William and Harry raised a lot of money for Princess Diana's favorite charities. Just my Take... ::)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Martyn on July 03, 2007, 07:42:58 AM
I watched the lot.

I wasn't sure that I was going to enjoy it but I did and by the end of it, I felt quite emotional.  I found the 'Diana and me' excerpts simply wonderful - such a lasting living testimony to all the good that she achieved and the many lives that she touched.

I thought that the concert had something for everyone, musically speaking.  I'm not a fan of Rod Stewart, so I went for cigarette whilt he was on.  Ricky Gervais doesn't do it for me either, too much smugness and too little talent and he quite clearly cannot improvise.......

I'm with Tsaria on English National Ballet - it just didn't work.  I also think that Elton John's 'Candle In the Wind' would have been a bit of a downer on which to end the show; not to say that it isn't a beautiful song and very touching, it's just too identified with the funeral.  The Lloyd Webber section was great, and I'm not really a fan of his stuff either.  I can take or leave Boccelli but Josh Groban was superb, even if Brightman didn't match his vocal performance......

The coverage by the BBC was patchy, with interviews with performers getting cut off mid-flow, which was a bit annoying, but overall it was a great event, a worthy cause and a wonderful way to celebrate Diana's 46th birthday and remember all the good things about her.

I have to add that seeing all those images and footage of her was simply a joy, and too poignant a reminder of what those two young men and we have lost.  Whatever her failings, she was a beloved mother and an inspirational figure to the World, so clearly and concisely illustrated by Nelson Mandela's closing comments, in which he exhorted us all to carry on the good work that she so gladly undertook.

The footage of Diana and the boys at Thorpe Park was so moving.........I think that Diana would have loved the whole thing; she would have been so proud of her sons too - so natural.

I didn't spot many Windsors there apart from the York princesses, who seemed to be having a great time.  Were there any others?
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Antoniam on July 03, 2007, 07:56:32 AM

I didn't spot many Windsors there apart from the York princesses, who seemed to be having a great time.  Were there any others?

Zara Philips was sitting just infront of Kate Middleton, with Mike Tindall. Next to him were Peter Philips and his girlfriend Autumn Kelly. Also photographed at the concert was Lady Rose Windsor, youngest daughter of the Duke of Gloucester.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Eddie_uk on July 03, 2007, 09:06:56 AM
IMO the 1960s footage at the end was the best bit and so moving. Lovely to see Frances et al arriving at Sandringham Church for the Christening - she looked beautiful and it was so nice to see Diana in one of those wonderful old Prambulators!
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on July 03, 2007, 10:29:37 AM
Prince William and Harry after the concert with some of the performers

(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u269/Valeria_Anya/Prince%20William/74980348.jpg)


(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u269/Valeria_Anya/Prince%20William/williampronr.jpg)


(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u269/Valeria_Anya/Prince%20William/princedian13.jpg)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Martyn on July 03, 2007, 11:25:50 AM
You know the Princes really looked as though they were having a good time.......and not in a forced or fake way either.  It was really nice to see. 

The Spencer sisters looked like they were having a good time too, although I suspect that the music of the 80's was more inspiring for them.

At the beginning of this thread there was much comment about whether Charles and Camilla should attend; I'm glad that they didn't, it would have felt so wrong.

And I don't care what anyone says about them, Take That are still great live..........
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Janet on July 03, 2007, 11:37:08 AM
   Lily Allen was great.   
tsaria

I watched the entire concert on VH1.  It seemed a great success.
I wasn't familiar with Lily Allen, but I really liked her songs and performance.  So I looked her up at Google...wow, she has had quite a life, and has no qualms about freely speaking her mind!  :D

I liked that the Princes said in their closing comments that they wanted to carry on the work of both their parents.

The final childhood film clips were nice.  Are they the same ones that play at her memorial exhibition at Althorp?
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on July 03, 2007, 11:48:28 AM
I thought that song that Nelly sing was wonderful I liked her music but I also like Anastacia too and Fergie song glamerous, but I did not like what Fergie was wearing  Elton was good also with the piano and singing. I also seen it on VH1 wonderful concert so many people. I notice in some of the photos from the previous posts Harry was kissing Chelsea !

Another picture after the concert:

(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u269/Valeria_Anya/Prince%20William/princeharyy325.jpg)

Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: ChristineM on July 03, 2007, 01:00:41 PM
Having only dealt with the 'performance' element of the concert - most of the 'Diana and Me' inserts were extremely moving.   The depth and breadth of the late Princess's commitment was astonishing.  Thorpe Park was almost too painful to watch.

Of course the Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall could not have been there.   THAT would have been impossible for everyone.   I wonder if they even watched the transmission.   If they did - and all the others in and associated with the Court who made that young woman's life nightmarish - I hope they might by now realise what a treasure she was and perhaps begin to understand the world wide adoration and adulation she received AND the reasons why.

They kept the best for last.   The films of Diana as a baby, into her childhood and early teens really defy description.

tsaria

Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 03, 2007, 02:40:39 PM
You know the Princes really looked as though they were having a good time.......and not in a forced or fake way either.  It was really nice to see. 

And I don't care what anyone says about them, Take That are still great live..........

I loved Take That. Back for Good is actually on my music download list. I really enjoyed their newer songs and so did my Katie who couldn't believe that Back for Good was 'so old'!  ::) I thought they, perhaps more than almost anyone, connected with the audience who seemed really into the songs and performances. Josh Groban has a wonderful voice and, as I said earlier, Memories is one of my favorite songs--and I'm not a big Andrew Lloyd Webber fan in general. Bob was mostly impressed with how far Rod Stewart could kick a soccer ball.  ::) He also enjoyed Ricky Gervais (at least the actual scripted part!) since we both enjoy Extras. Having him caught in the embarrassing position of filling for time and getting obviously flustered was something you could see happening to his hapless Andy Millman.

I also thought that William & Harry looked like they were really having a good time and seemed relaxed and happy. Except for the technical glitch at the end, the concert went off surprisingly well and they were blessed with the weather. A commentator here said that, given the scope of the event and its scheduled running time, the fact that it only went about 30 mins over was remarkable and they ought to be put in charge of our Academy Awards ceremony which routinely runs 30-60 mins over its scheduled time and is less complicated.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 03, 2007, 03:54:17 PM
 It was obvious from word 'Go' that Sir Elton John was not a happy man.   By the end, he barely concealed his fury and its probably just as well there was no time for 'Crocodile Rock' because the crocodile might just have snapped.
tsaria

This might explain it (from a gossip site):

"Elton John acted like a complete diva the other night when a police officer told him would have to walk 50 yards to his dressing room because The Princes were coming according to Daily Mail. When the police officer told him that he would have to walk he said, "Get out of my ****ing way. Don't you know who I am? I've been working all ****ing day and I need to get to my ****ing dressing room." The officer knows who is boss really is and didn't care who Elton was. ...Here is how a source described the incident:

Our man among the crowd of 100 who were watching said: "The princes were due at any time and the police were getting pretty jittery.  "Elton pulled up in the back of a people carrier. A policeman stepped into the middle of the road to stop the car and he said to the driver, "Sorry you can't come in here at this point.  "You'll have to drive round the back or park up and wait five minutes". The driver then said, "I have an important artist in the back who needs to get to his dressing room".  "The policeman said, 'I don't care who's in the car, you cannot drive down this road right now". "At that point, Elton wound down the window and screamed at him. "The policeman calmly said to him, 'Sorry but you are not going in this road. You have to get out and walk from here or take a drive around the block. We're waiting for the princes, who are coming through here any minute'. "Elton started ranting and swearing again. He just lost it and instructed his driver to drive around the policeman.  "The driver started to move and at that point, the policeman stood in front of the car gesturing to put his hands on the bonnet. The policeman was saying to the driver, 'Stop there or you'll be arrested'. "Sir Elton wound his window back up as he realised photographers were starting to congregate. "His security guard started reasoning with the policeman, saying they needed to get him in there right away but the policeman would not budge. "Then at that point, Elton jumps out of the back of the car, stomps round to the front and barges through to get into the backstage compound. He stomped down the road shouting at people to 'get out of my way'."

Elton blamed it on a long day and technical difficulties, but let's be real we are talking Elton John and he is the biggest Diva of them all! I wonder if he was mad at The Princes because they said Duran Duran was her favorite band? "

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1089/705483819_9d4bb02bc5_o.jpg)

Still, the lovely opening to Your Song (one of my favorite songs) with the gorgeous Mario Testino photos of Diana can compensate for a good deal.  :)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Grace on July 03, 2007, 05:26:19 PM
I didn't watch the whole concert but I did see excerpts, including what the two princes had to say.

I'm glad the concert seemed to be a success - it appeared the sons of Diana did a good job here organizing this commemoration to their mother and they raised a lot of money for her charities at the same time.

But it seems to me imperative that William gets some professional training in public speaking as soon as possible.  Looking at a card in one's hand without barely delivering a sentence without doing so does not look good for anyone who must become accomplished in this area and should be now, at the age of 25.  This is the future King of England!  I was quite taken aback by this.  :o
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Noelle Royale on July 03, 2007, 07:43:00 PM
The concert was nice I think.I watched the whole thing.And it made me happy,as an American,that some of the celebrities performing from the States,that I learned to dislike,were actually nice and had really sweet things to say about the Princess.I agree with Grace and the others.The Royal Princes seem to need a little more training in public speaking.But then again their dear mother had a similar problem when she was at that age about public speaking.Watching the whole thing it made me more nostalgic about the Princess and the possiblity of what could have been.I know many here might not agree,but Diana was an asset.With her popularity and the affection she was held, it would have strengthened the Monarchy. Not weaken it.Very similar to that of Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother in her time.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: aussiechick12 on July 03, 2007, 08:42:35 PM
I completley agree, Grace! I was shocked by William's public speaking skills as well. I am sure he could have made something up on the stage, or at least memorised the speech, instead of relying on a card. I was also suprised that Harry did this aswell. This was a concert going to be shown all over the world, and even if people didn't watch the concert I know that the speech's would have been shown on the news, as it was on our news. Many people would have been slightly taken aback when they saw this.
Aside from that, I thought the concert was brilliant and I loved seeing William dance! He suddenly seemed so human to me, same with Harry. I think that the concert did a lot for not only Diana's memory, but for the way that the prince's will be seen now, and in many years to come.
I loved the English Ballet the best! I thought it was spectacular, I am very glad they agreed to perform. I didn't like the fact that in Australia (I'm not sure what happened in other countries coverage) we only got to see some of the concert, about 3 hours of it. How long did it actually go for?
I look forward to watching my tape of it many times!  :D
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on July 03, 2007, 09:39:16 PM
I completley agree, Grace! I was shocked by William's public speaking skills as well. I am sure he could have made something up on the stage, or at least memorised the speech, instead of relying on a card. I was also suprised that Harry did this aswell. This was a concert going to be shown all over the world, and even if people didn't watch the concert I know that the speech's would have been shown on the news, as it was on our news. Many people would have been slightly taken aback when they saw this.
Aside from that, I thought the concert was brilliant and I loved seeing William dance! He suddenly seemed so human to me, same with Harry. I think that the concert did a lot for not only Diana's memory, but for the way that the prince's will be seen now, and in many years to come.
I loved the English Ballet the best! I thought it was spectacular, I am very glad they agreed to perform. I didn't like the fact that in Australia (I'm not sure what happened in other countries coverage) we only got to see some of the concert, about 3 hours of it. How long did it actually go for?
I look forward to watching my tape of it many times!  :D

Yes.The concert actually lasted for 6 hours and 15 minutes. When I saw Prince William while on stage he did sound nervous and he does need to work on his speaking skills especialy in front of a crowd where there is thousands of people. Yes I agree what good does flash cards in you hands do he should have had his own speech organized first or make up someting like aussiechick12 said. I loved the concert it was good.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: ChristineM on July 04, 2007, 06:46:49 AM
To return to Sir Elton John for a moment - I adore Elton John.   His live concerts are virtually unbeatable - although Paul Simon would come close.   

I think people who possess such creativity and such talent are entitled to be 'divas' - that's part of the package.

tsaria
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Martyn on July 04, 2007, 06:59:00 AM
To return to Sir Elton John for a moment - I adore Elton John.   His live concerts are virtually unbeatable - although Paul Simon would come close.   

I think people who possess such creativity and such talent are entitled to be 'divas' - that's part of the package.

tsaria

Hmmmm........I see what you mean.  However Tsaria, you and I have both worked with creative people in our careers and I am sure that you will agree with me that the most truly creative people who are happy with their talents and personae are usually the ones who make the least fuss.....I truly know what the word 'diva' means and I've met more of them than most people have had hot dinners; Elton's behaviour was naughty and very divaish........

I love his music but think that if he truly thinks that everyone has forgotten that he wears a wig (however good they are, and they are good!), he should think again.......and that last outfit was simply absurd......... ;)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: ChristineM on July 04, 2007, 07:56:56 AM
Oh yes, Martyn, there are divas... and there are divas.   You have suffered more than your fair share, I am sure.   In the world of opera it is almost a prerequisite.   And in your job - having to make them look good, I'll bet that can be nightmarish.   It will be a bit like Drama Department in the BBC.   If we ran over budget - heads could roll.   If Drama ran over budget... 'Well, it's drama....'   So yes, I think some of these 'creative' people do assume rather too much.

Its easy to forget that Elton John and the late Diana, Princess of Wales had a monumental fall out and it wasn't until the funeral of Gianni Versace - tragically only weeks before her own - that the two 'made up'.

However, I do forgive Elton.   Incidentally, I actually thought that was a hair transplant.   Did that fail?   If it is a 'rug'... boy its a fantastic one.   Why does he not just put his baldness down to excess testosterone and be done with it?

I agree about the outfit.    Do you think he forgot to change after his White Tie and Tiara Ball?   His shape simple does not suit a tail coat.   Perhaps the rather exaggerated lily on the sleeve was meant as a distraction.   Elton has an unfortunate shape, stance and walk, but NOTHING can take away from his genius so far as I am concerned.

tsaria
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on July 04, 2007, 08:07:10 AM
(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u269/Valeria_Anya/Prince%20William/10.jpg)
Prince William and Harry notice in this photo they are using cards on their rehersal speech.

More photos after the concert:

(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u269/Valeria_Anya/Prince%20William/7.jpg)

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Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Martyn on July 04, 2007, 10:49:57 AM
Oh yes, Martyn, there are divas... and there are divas.   You have suffered more than your fair share, I am sure.   In the world of opera it is almost a prerequisite.   And in your job - having to make them look good, I'll bet that can be nightmarish.   It will be a bit like Drama Department in the BBC.   If we ran over budget - heads could roll.   If Drama ran over budget... 'Well, it's drama....'   So yes, I think some of these 'creative' people do assume rather too much.

Oh yes.  Fair share does not come into it!  ;)

Its easy to forget that Elton John and the late Diana, Princess of Wales had a monumental fall out and it wasn't until the funeral of Gianni Versace - tragically only weeks before her own - that the two 'made up'.

That's true.  Elton wasn't the only victim of Diana's disfavour, but it did seem a shame that it happened.  I do suspect that the Princess and Elton were perhaps just as prickly as each other on occasion.  However, the sight of Diana publicly comforting Elton at the funeral is a tribute to her capacity for comforting and empathising, not to mention the ability to kiss and make up, even if the occasion was a tragic one.

However, I do forgive Elton.   Incidentally, I actually thought that was a hair transplant.   Did that fail?   If it is a 'rug'... boy its a fantastic one.   Why does he not just put his baldness down to excess testosterone and be done with it?

In my professional opinion it is a 'rug'.  It's good I agree, but then he can afford it.  Real hair, hand-knotted, on a made to measure foundation and film quality....got to be.

I agree about the outfit.    Do you think he forgot to change after his White Tie and Tiara Ball?   His shape simple does not suit a tail coat.   Perhaps the rather exaggerated lily on the sleeve was meant as a distraction.   Elton has an unfortunate shape, stance and walk, but NOTHING can take away from his genius so far as I am concerned.

tsaria

The outfit was terrible and made him look shorter and fatter than he actually is.  It looked like a sort of Chaplinesque clown costume and the insertions in the body of the tailcoat looked like it had been let out rather unsuccessfully, due to weight gain........ ;)

Still, as regards to talent and ability, I'm right with you.  When you think about how old 'Are you ready for love' was - still sounds great and a big fat hit for him, thirty years after he first wrote it..........
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on July 04, 2007, 03:44:02 PM
I love Elton John and I have ever since I was in kindergarten and he was on the first episode of the Muppet Show!  :D He was in his really flashy stage--with the sequins and large glasses and feather boas--and I thought he was so great. (I loved flash when I was a little girl.  ;) ) He sang a few songs, Crocodile Rock and Don't Go Breaking My Heart (with Miss Piggy!) amongst them. You can get the episodes now on DVD. I saw him in concert, with Billy Joel, years ago. Great show!

(http://images.wikia.com/muppet/images/thumb/2/29/Tmselton1.jpeg/300px-Tmselton1.jpeg)

(http://www.muppetcentral.com/guides/episodes/tms/season2/pics/38_john_janice.jpg)

(http://www.muppetcentral.com/guides/episodes/tms/season2/pics/38_john_mayhem.jpg)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: ChristineM on July 04, 2007, 05:06:15 PM
Yes... Elton John is, in the truest sense, a STAR.   There is no doubt you get real value for money at one of his concerts.

tsaria
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: TampaBay on July 04, 2007, 05:22:35 PM
How old is Sir Elton?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on July 04, 2007, 09:02:52 PM
How old is Sir Elton?

TampaBay
He is 60 years old ! WOW ! He has been a excellent singer and piano player for a long time I also like Elton too! :)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on July 05, 2007, 02:03:59 PM
i'm gonna be embarrased to admit this, but i MISSED the concert  :(... oh well . . . i have youtube  ;)
Title: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: emeraldeyes on August 30, 2007, 08:39:44 AM
This is not meant to be in bad taste, but I was just wondering if people remembered where they were or what they were doing when they heard the news.  Just like when JFK and John Lennon died, I'm sure many of us can recall the moment we got the news.

My husband and I were in line at Blockbuster Video and they had their televisions tuned to CNN.  At that time, the news was only that Diana had been injured in a car accident.  We went home and turned CNN on and watched for a while, but as there seemed to be no further news forthcoming, we decided to go ahead and watch a movie.  By the time we checked in again, the news had changed and the princess had died.

Anyone else care to share?

Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Marc on August 30, 2007, 08:54:48 AM
I was a child and I just came back from my vacation in London to prepare for going to school in september(in our country it startes on september the first)...I have heard the news when i came home!At that time I was not much interested in royalty so I didn't follow all the coverage concerning her death!
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on August 30, 2007, 09:16:42 AM
I was 11, and staying over at a friend's house. It was the last week of the summer holidays before going back to school. As we were having a sleepover, we stayed up and watched tv all night (what else do little girls do at sleepovers?!) and the news flashed up on the screen. We knew in the early hours of the morning.

I was 11. I wasn't particularly upset about it as I'd never met her and she didn't really figure in the daily activities of my life. My parents thought the excessive coverage of the news was highly unnecessary and inconvenient. My dad was particularly annoyed as a sports event he wanted to watch got bumped for the news.

Just as an aside, for those not in the UK, I know much was and is still being said about the 'national' outpouring of grief at the time, but in my experience, it didn't really have that much of an effect on people. I would say a minority were emotionally affected. Most were just annoyed by all the press attention as it meant a disruption to the usual services. Don't mess with a Brit and their television schedule! We run to clockwork here..

Rachel
xx
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: ChristineM on August 30, 2007, 10:50:43 AM
I was helping prepare a barbeque in a forest which was part of the Buxhoeveden estate.   One of our friends who drove out from St Petersburg, jumped out of his car, and despite having no English, shouted 'Lady Diana dead'.   He drew a plan as he understood the sequence of events - blaming the paparazzi.   My instinctive thought - shared by my husband and expressed at exactly the same moment - 'She was murdered'.   I no longer believe that.   There is a beautiful little Russian church on the estate which Father Gennady of St Sophia Cathedral had recently reconsecrated.   There were icons, icon lamps and candles.    I went in there, lit candles, placed them before specifically chosen icons, prayed and remained - alone - in there for a considerable period of time.   I felt really isolated from my country and it was impossible to take it in since communication with Russia then was not what it is today.

I returned home the following Friday - the day before the funeral.   It was 10.00p.m. when I managed to find a deli which had a very basic selection of flowers.   I drove into the city centre.   The whole of George Square - the heart of our city - was covered with flowers, candles, photographs of Diana and little shrines with rather distressed people of every colour and creed kneeling before them.   I'll never forget the weight behind the wall of scent which struck me as I crossed the road to place my little bunch of, rather wilted, white rosebuds.   Then I went to the City Chambers and joined the queue which wound its way up the beautiful marble staircase (modelled on the Jordan Staircase in the Winter Palace) and into the Satinwood Suite.   This was empty apart from five sofa tables.   On each table was a different photograph in a silver frame and alongside a simple, white, floral arrangement.   The condolence book and a pen were the only other items on the table.   At each table was a Chippendale-style side chair where one could sit to write your name, message or whatever.     The whole thing was done with such taste and dignity, I couldn't believe my local authority was capable of producing the likes.

tsaria
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: eejm on August 30, 2007, 11:53:24 AM
My now-husband and I had just moved into a new apartment the day before.  I went to pick up some food, and as I left the store, I heard on the radio that Diana had been in an accident and that Dodi had died instantly.  I told my husband as soon as I got back to our apartment and he turned on the TV.

We watched reports of the accident and Diana's condition throughout the evening.  Then word started coming in that she had died.  We thought it had to be just a rumor, until CNN and the AP confirmed it.  We couldn't believe it.

September 6, the day of Diana's funeral, was my wedding day.  My maid of honor, one of my bridesmaids and I got ready while watching Elton John sing.  I think I still have the newspaper from that day. 

I was fifteen when my father died (also very suddenly), just as William was at that time.  My heart went out to both him and Harry, as it still does.  It's evident how special she was to both of her sons.  I always got a little miffed when people would scoff at the fact that Diana didn't "deserve" all of the coverage she got, the fact that she was just one person, etc.  I can understand that reasoning to a point, but my mind always comes back to William and Harry, and the fact that two boys lost their beloved mother at far too young of an age. 
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Arleen on August 30, 2007, 02:50:08 PM
I will never forget sitting on the floor in my Dads living room, close to the TV so as to be quiet for him.....he was near death in the next room of Cancer and it was horrible!  Something had made me come in and turn on the TV and there it was...Diana was in an accident!!  It went thru me like lightening.  I stayed there on the floor for hours until the announcement came that she had died....tears running down my face. 

I had followed her life from the beginning of her romance and through all the bad and the good times.  I never had a chance in the whole world of meeting her or even going to London for that matter...but she was so SPECIAL..... ones imaginations perfect princess!  So I dearly loved her.

She was buried on my birthday....and my Dad died the next day.  It was a very hard time for me.  She felt like family too.

Arleen

Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: NAAOTMA on August 30, 2007, 06:16:08 PM
My husband and I were on the first day of a vacation at the beach in California. I switched on CNN out of habit, and the reporter said that news had just come in that Diana was in an car accident. She had a broken arm. I told my husband that was just how the news of Princess Grace's accident and death had started to come over the news wires. Then we sat in the hotel room and listened as each new bulletin was more serious than the last, until it was announced that Diana had died.

That week between her death and the Funeral...the flowers and the candles and the long lines of people waiting to sign condolence books all over the world. Signs in shop windows and people's homes. The day of her funeral I lit candles in a California church mission right along with several other people who said they were there especially to honor Diana's memory.

I remembered getting up very early on the day of the Royal Wedding to watch it on TV...never dreaming that this is how it would end. Still hard to believe she is gone, and gone ten years. Goodbye England's Rose...
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Janet_W. on August 30, 2007, 07:13:38 PM
Also in California--because I live here!--I had just finished my volunteer work at the library and was home, enjoying some "down" time before getting ready to go out that evening. Then I heard the news bulletin over CNN and immediately called my mom. After trading information back and forth for a few minutes, we hung up but by now I was wired so I proceeded to listen to the continuing broadcast as I got ready. A friend and I had planned to meet at an outdoor production of "Our Town." I arrived first and remained in my car, listening to the by now ongoing radio reports, then became quite angry with a previously favorite radio personality who was taking great joy announcing, "Well, let's see, the current score is Dodi dead, driver dead, Princess Di alive." So at that point it wasn't hard to break away and find myself a place to sit. As it turned out my friend arrived late and we didn't connnect until intermission. Also, for those of you not familiar with the plot line of "Our Town," it's the story--in part--of a young woman who dies, her spirit ultimately revisiting her town and her husband and two children. I was upset anyway, then reliving the emotion of "Our Town"--which had moved me to hot, painful tears many years before--made me doubly uneasy. Afterwards my friend took me out for dinner. As we left I turned on the car radio, and the announcement was being made: "For those of you who haven't yet heard, Diana, Princess of Wales, is dead . . . " My friend, who is not an Anglophile and couldn't care less about Diana, was nonetheless moved to say, "This shouldn't be. This shouldn't be." A week later, however, my friend was giving a party and three of us had drifted over to the TV, which was already on, to watch coverage of Diana's life. My friend wanted to get us over to the buffet table, though, and came by, remarked, "Who's watching this?" then without waiting for any response abruptly turned off the set which was at the moment displaying a still of Diana's image. I felt myself flinch inside, and I noticed the others visibly did so as well. Another reminder of "now we're here, now we're not."

 
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Dasha on August 30, 2007, 07:26:01 PM
I was sixteen years of age, and as it was the last weekend before the start of school, my mother allowed my best friend at the time to come over and stay for a few days.  We were just on our way in from the back patio, and Mom was watching the evening news.  As we passed to go upstairs, she mentioned that Diana was in a car crash, but was still alive.  My friend and I headed on up, and didn't think all that much on what we heard.  The next morning however, Mom came to drop off the laundry, and she just stopped in the doorway of my bedroom and said 'Girls, Princess Diana has died'.  It was such a shock.  My first comment was 'Poor William and Harry'.  I could not imagine what it must have felt like for those two boys to loose their beloved mother.  I remember sitting in front of the TV during the next several days and just watching and trying to learn who Diana was and why she was so dear to the people of Great Britain and the world in general.

Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: imperial angel on August 30, 2007, 07:26:34 PM
Yes, Our Town does have have that kind of emotion in it- I love that play. I was trying to think of a quote from there that reminds me a bit of Princess Diana or of tragic deaths in general, which is also rather about here today, gone tomorrow, but I don't have it in front of me. In the story, the young woman gets to get to choose one day from her past to go back to, once she is dead, I think it was her birthday some years before. I was only 11 when Princess Diana died and I was asleep at night when someone woke me up to tell me about it, though I thought it was for another reason that they were waking me up. I went back to sleep after that, but I got up the next morning and followed all the news on television. I just couldn't believe it, and I think the whole world was shocked, it just seemed unbelievable. I had always been interested in her story since the age of 4, and today I still try to read every book that comes out on her.
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Margarita Markovna on August 30, 2007, 09:08:43 PM
Our Town is such a sad play to see right after someone dies..."Do any human beings ever realize life while they live it?" comes to mind as a quote.

I was only 6 when Diana died, and I remember there was a beanie baby that year. It was a purple bear with a rose, and every time my best friend's mom saw it she would start talking about Diana. I didn't know who she was before she died, and I remember my indignation when my parents spent all morning watching the funeral on tv (they had never allowed me to watch tv much, let alone for so long).
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: NoirFemme on August 31, 2007, 07:59:49 AM
My mother and I were up late one morning (around 2 or 3 am) for some odd reason and we heard of Diana's death on the radio. I don't know why, but I was really devastated by her passing even though I was never really involved in that sort of thing(celebrity/royalty-gazing). Maybe because we share a birthday? I dunno, but I was shocked.
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: dancingbarefoot on August 31, 2007, 08:22:30 AM
Its strange how sometimes we're unable to remember a name or a face of someone, but yet for other things, we can remember so clear.


I was in the basement at home, just flipping channels when I turned on one news station and heard that there had been an accident and then spent the night in tears flipping back and forth to any station I could to get updates. I had started my interest in royalty because of her and my collection had grown in leaps and bounds since 1981.

All I could think of was how it was similarly reported like Princess Grace, seemingly minor injuries then bam ... she passed away.

Seems fitting in some way that my first post here, is about her.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: dmitri on August 31, 2007, 09:29:47 AM
Here is a copy of the text of the speech given by Prince Henry of Wales at the Diana, Princess of Wales Memorial Service :

William and I can separate life into two parts. There were those years when we were blessed with the physical presence beside us of both our mother and father.

And then there are the 10 years since our mother's death. When she was alive, we completely took for granted her unrivaled love of life, laughter, fun and folly. She was our guardian, friend and protector.

She never once allowed her unfaltering love for us to go unspoken or undemonstrated.

She will always be remembered for her amazing public work. But behind the media glare, to us, just two loving children, she was quite simply the best mother in the world.

We would say that, wouldn't we.

But we miss her. She kissed us last thing at night. Her beaming smile greeted us from school. She laughed hysterically and uncontrollably when sharing something silly she might have said or done that day. She encouraged us when we were nervous or unsure.

She — like our father — was determined to provide us with a stable and secure childhood.

To lose a parent so suddenly at such a young age, as others have experienced, is indescribably shocking and sad. It was an event which changed our lives forever, as it must have done for everyone who lost someone that night.

But what is far more important to us now, and into the future, is that we remember our mother as she would have wished to be remembered as she was: fun-loving, generous, down-to-earth, entirely genuine.

We both think of her every day.

We speak about her and laugh together at all the memories.

Put simply, she made us, and so many other people, happy. May this be the way that she is remembered.

Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Lucien on August 31, 2007, 09:45:15 AM


I had one moment when I held my breath tho,the bishop's doing by starting;"Who cheated" .......he did have everyone's attention after that...

Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: emeraldeyes on August 31, 2007, 09:49:21 AM
What lovely sentiments expressed by the prince. 
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Eddie_uk on August 31, 2007, 09:53:44 AM
Thank you Lucien!!!

How short is Beatrices skirt?? Iv'e never seen anything like it - totally inappropriate and tarty.

And Cliff Richard waving is inappropriate too, anyone would think it was his day.

From what i can make out, the Queen looks fabulous as per usual. :)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Lucien on August 31, 2007, 10:13:45 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6971415.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/6971819.stm

Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: royaltybuff on August 31, 2007, 01:11:30 PM
I was sitting at home watching the news when the story of the accident broke. As the evening went on the news kept getting worse until they finally announced that the Princess of Wales had died. I could not believe it. I stayed up the entire night and watched the coverage. I finally took a nap the next morning.

I was in such shock. Before it all sank in I just kept remembering getting up at 4 a.m. at the age of 14 to watch Lady Diana Spencer marry the Prince of Wales. The first tears after the shock came when I watched live as Prince Charles was at the airport about the escort Princess Diana home for the last time. When I saw the coffin, I couldn't deny that it had happened and that she was really dead. I felt so sorry for Princes William and Harry.

A few days later as the funeral arrangements were being hashed, I began to think that Princess Diana always seemed to give love and to need love. If she could have only seen the outpouring of love and grief at her passing...
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Grace on August 31, 2007, 05:45:54 PM
It was televised live at the perfect time in Australia - 9 p.m.!

I was impressed!  Nicely done.  It seemed like a family occasion but the coverage did show some 'celebrities' as well though there didn't seem too many there.  The music was superb - I misted up when the congregation sang 'I Vow To Thee My Country' - Diana's favourite hymn which also featured at her wedding ceremony.  I found it impossible to detect anything in the expression of Prince Charles.  He betrayed nothing to me - no sadness for Diana, no resentment for Camilla's eventual absence - nothing, though he did smile and join in the family conversation after the service.  There were many of the general pubic outside wanting to share the occasion - I felt it was a pity that there couldn't have been a big screen or two so they could have participated more in the occasion. 

I did not seem to see one of the Spencer sisters, Lady Jane Fellowes, but I probably just missed her.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Robert_Hall on August 31, 2007, 06:03:03 PM
I noticed her sisters.  And Camilla al Fayed. That surprised me a bit. I agree, a very tasteful Memorial.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: TampaBay on August 31, 2007, 08:45:33 PM
And Camilla al Fayed. That surprised me a bit.

It is my understading that Camilla al Fayed is a very good friend of Chelsy Davy and therefore Harry. :-\ :-\ :-\

Was Chelsy Davy (or is it Davis) at the memorial?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: TampaBay on August 31, 2007, 08:47:42 PM
I forgot to ask in my previous post; Was Kate Middleton in attendance at the memorial service?

Tampabay
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Dina on August 31, 2007, 09:07:01 PM
Neither Chelsy or Kate were at the service.

I found it amusing when watching on Fox News this morning, the American comentator mis-identified the Princess Royal's husband as her son and said that he was soon to be married.  One of the British comentators with her gently corrected her....
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Robert_Hall on August 31, 2007, 09:38:52 PM
Camilla al Fayed was escorted by David Furness [?] Elton John's partner.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Mari on September 01, 2007, 04:40:40 AM
Prince Harry did a wonderful job commemorating his Mother......does anyone know how it was decided between William or Harry...which one would do it? Were any of the Spencers allowed to also speak? I only saw clips of the above I haven't found the whole yet.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: TampaBay on September 01, 2007, 06:51:11 AM
Camilla al Fayed was escorted by David Furness [?] Elton John's partner.

Correct!  I am sure Elton is on friendly terms with Fayed due to all he spends at Harrod's.  LOL!  LOL!

TampaBay
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Eddie_uk on September 01, 2007, 01:38:29 PM
No Earl Spencer didn't speak - thank the lord. I believe one of the sisters did!
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Robert_Hall on September 01, 2007, 04:21:04 PM
Earl Spencer had said beforehand that he would not be speaking. I must have missed  a sister though. I saw them there, but did not see them speaking.
 And TB, Sir Elton does not shop at Harrod's. That place is for tourists. He goes to Harvey Nichol's.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Grace on September 01, 2007, 04:44:00 PM
Lady Sarah McCorquodale read a passage from the Bible during the service. 
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Janet on September 01, 2007, 06:02:44 PM
I drowsed awake that Sunday morning and reached for the remote and turned the TV on.  I stayed lying there not paying much attention.  It was just one month short of the 1st anniversay of my husband's sudden and unexpected death and I still didn't care much for waking up each day.  Then through my drowsing I caught what was being said, that Diana had died in an automobile accident in Paris.  My first thought was to wonder what she was doing in Paris anyway, for I hadn't been following news about her.  I remember thinking second that it seemed bizarre that she had died that way, thinking third how fortunate for Prince William and Prince Harry to be at Balmoral with the family and secluded from things, and thinking fourth "I hope this doesn't ruin the Golden Wedding Anniversary celebrations".
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Robert_Hall on September 01, 2007, 06:25:00 PM
Thanks, Grace. I did see that, but just did not pay attention to who was reading. Do not I would recognize her anyway.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Janet on September 01, 2007, 06:55:16 PM
Lady Sarah McCorquodale read a passage from the Bible during the service. 

Lady Sarah McCorquodale read a passage by J.S. Hoyland from The Bridge is Love, An Anthology of
Hope collected by Lady Elizabeth Bassett (who was lady-in-waiting to the Queen Mother for a time).
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: dmitri on September 01, 2007, 11:06:41 PM
Yes how the two surviving Spencer sisters must miss Diana. They are often forgotten and shouldn't be.
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Mari on September 02, 2007, 02:49:34 AM
I had just come in from an all night Diner where I had been with Friends. I had left the TV on low before i left and there was a horrible crash site on. The News Person was saying that It was believed that the Paparazzi had put a Car in front to brake as was their custom and had been on Scooters on the side of the Black Mercedes trying to get pictures and that it had caused the Wreck. That there was Paint on the Wrecked Black Mercedes which looked like a car had swiped it and that the Photographers were clustered around taking Pictures and not helping the Victims. So, I sat down to see who it was that he was talking about!  Finally the Newscaster said "Once Again Diana Princess of Wales" and I just froze....I remember thinking Oh, how could this happen? And then I was so horrified that the Paparazzi could have been so callous as to be taking Pictures.....

Well, that froze it in my Mind forever! All of it was a part of that terrible night.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Grace on September 02, 2007, 02:56:08 AM
Lady Sarah McCorquodale read a passage from the Bible during the service. 

Lady Sarah McCorquodale read a passage by J.S. Hoyland from The Bridge is Love, An Anthology of
Hope collected by Lady Elizabeth Bassett (who was lady-in-waiting to the Queen Mother for a time).

Sorry - who am I thinking of then?  William I supose.  Easy to get those two mixed up, isn't it?  NOT!
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Leuchtenberg on September 02, 2007, 07:10:13 AM
I was just about to leave to attend a local play and there was a news bulletin saying that Diana had been in a car accident in Paris.  At that point, there was little else released to the public.  Two and  a half hours later the play was over and when I was driving home I  turned on the radio, I heard the announcement that she had died.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on September 02, 2007, 10:23:29 PM
About Camilla al Fayed, it was announced awhile back she'd be there:

Prince William invites Harrods heiresses to Diana memorial service

http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2007/07/20/al-fayed-royal-party/


Camilla with David Furnish

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Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on September 02, 2007, 10:29:57 PM
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/08_04/p2princesDM3108_468x296.jpg)

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From the Daily Mail:

"For while the arrivals of the two princes and their grandmother, the Queen, were greeted with cheers and applause, the waiting crowds fell silent as Prince Charles stepped from his chauffeur-driven Jaguar shortly before noon. A lone woman screamed an indistinct volley of abuse as Charles climbed the steps to the chapel and kissed his sons. As he stood waiting for his mother and father to arrive, the prince looked ill-at-ease and repeatedly glanced over his shoulder at the street. It was Harry who, once again, broke the ice, responding to his father's inquiry about his reading by patting his suit pockets with a clownish air, pretending to have lost it. It was with a look of relief that Charles greeted his parents before walking inside with his sons and taking his place at the front of the chapel. "
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on September 02, 2007, 10:32:06 PM
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/08_04/spencerfam3108_468x587.jpg)

Diana's brother Charles arrives for the service with his children (l to r) twins Eliza and Katya, Kitty and Frederick

Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on September 02, 2007, 10:39:07 PM
'I'll never forget her sons' faces,' says soldier who lowered Diana's coffin into the ground

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=478886&in_page_id=1770

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An urn marks the place where Diana is buried on the Althorp estate
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on September 02, 2007, 10:42:15 PM
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/08_04/princes3PA3108_468x266.jpg)

Princes William and Harry arrive at the Guard's Chapel with priest Rev Patrick Irwin, Chaplain to the Household Division


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Prime Minister Gordon Brown

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Elton John, David Furnish, Camilla al Fayed

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Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on September 02, 2007, 10:44:31 PM
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix//2007/08_04/dianasisterPa3108_468x591.jpg)

Sarah & Jane

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Harry pretends to lose speech

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Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: dmitri on September 03, 2007, 07:19:26 AM
I'm not sure about other people, but I could not help notice how very old Prince Charles looked in between his two sons with The Queen and Prince Philip behind them as they prepared to walk down the aisle in the chapel for Diana's service.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: TampaBay on September 03, 2007, 07:33:50 AM

(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/08_04/queenphilPA3108_468x539.jpg)


QEII once again looks absolutely perfect.  Vey much in vogue as bright colors are "very in" for fall as expounded by American Vogue and Harper's Bazaar.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: dmitri on September 03, 2007, 07:51:49 AM
what wonderful photos from the service ... couldn't help thinking though how sad and lonely, although peaceful, Diana's grave looks ...
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: dmitri on September 03, 2007, 08:17:44 AM
The Queen always looks good in soft pastel colours. The harsher colours don't look so good anymore. It has to do with her white hair.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on September 04, 2007, 03:18:12 PM
Yes, she does not look the best with dark colors, I think she looks best wearing light colors it matches her. Still it looks okay but not to wear dark colors daily.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on September 05, 2007, 07:12:43 PM
Grandduchessella those were very great pictures of the memorial service to see I a so happy to see them thank you for posting them! I hope to see more videos of it on websites!
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on September 05, 2007, 08:01:55 PM
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Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on September 05, 2007, 08:03:06 PM
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Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on September 05, 2007, 08:04:39 PM
Princess Royal & family

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Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on September 05, 2007, 08:05:37 PM
York Princesses

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Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on September 05, 2007, 08:06:30 PM
The Kents

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Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on September 05, 2007, 08:07:42 PM
The Gloucesters

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Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on September 05, 2007, 08:10:32 PM
Eliza & Kitty Spencer

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Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: rgt9w on September 05, 2007, 08:11:58 PM
Did Sarah, Duchess of York attend the service?
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: grandduchessella on September 05, 2007, 08:41:00 PM
No, she declined to go because of her discomfort at royal occasions due to her position in the family. Some sources said she wasn't invited and this was just face-saving though.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Mari on September 06, 2007, 02:01:52 AM
Well, I can see the Spencer beauty popping up in Eliza and Kitty Spencer!! The photos of them walking ......remind me of their Aunt Diana!
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on September 06, 2007, 02:38:18 PM
WOW thanks for the great photos again granduchessella I love them very great I like the hats they choose to wear very nice. Those pictures are realy great I love Eugenie's hat very pretty!
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: TampaBay on September 06, 2007, 08:08:52 PM
Well, I can see the Spencer beauty popping up in Eliza and Kitty Spencer!! The photos of them walking ......remind me of their Aunt Diana!

Those Spencer girls are stunning, absolutely STUNNING!!

TampaBay
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Grace on September 08, 2007, 06:17:49 PM
I agree - they're very pretty girls.  I think they look more like their mother than the Spencer side though.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Martyn on September 09, 2007, 05:55:39 AM
The Spencer girls are very attractive; as Grace suggests this might be an inheritance from their mother, although I must add that I was never really a fan of Victoria Lockwood's looks particularly........

It was a nice gesture to invite Dodi's sisters; Camilla's presence was a poignant reminder that it wasn't just the Princess who was a victim of that terrible accident.

I was quite shocked to read of the frosty reception afforded to the Prince upon his arrival, although I suppose that one must assume that he can hardly have been looking forward to this event, knowing that die-hard admirers of the late Princess would be out in force, and bereft of the comforting presence of his wife........
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: dmitri on September 09, 2007, 09:05:03 AM
Well it is well known why the Duchess did not attend. It would have been unacceptable. It was better the way things went. The spin Doctors cannot make the public like somebody. It is up to them. The Queen and Prince Philip and the two young Princes received a very warm welcome. Perhaps Prince Charles should ponder why he did not.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Martyn on September 09, 2007, 11:06:14 AM
I suspect that it must have been a relief for the Prince when it was all over.

I'm sure that he must have been disappointed that the advice was given for his wife not to attend as I am sure that their joint presence was probably viewed by him as essential in order to reinforce their status as a couple.  To have to back down on this must have been galling.

I do agree that it could hardly have been otherwise; the non-attendance of the duchess was the wisest and most tactful course of action.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: dmitri on September 09, 2007, 12:44:38 PM
well I guess Charles has to live with the legacy of Diana every day ... I guess the question is though that Diana no longer has the privilege of living so who has paid the heaviest price I wonder?
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Leuchtenberg on September 10, 2007, 09:06:46 PM
Well it is well known why the Duchess did not attend. It would have been unacceptable. It was better the way things went. The spin Doctors cannot make the public like somebody. It is up to them. The Queen and Prince Philip and the two young Princes received a very warm welcome. Perhaps Prince Charles should ponder why he did not.


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Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: dmitri on September 11, 2007, 12:36:52 AM
what a savage cartoon
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Leuchtenberg on September 11, 2007, 08:49:16 AM
what a savage cartoon

Then ask GDE to remove it.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: TampaBay on September 11, 2007, 10:56:01 AM

The Spencer girls are very attractive; as Grace suggests this might be an inheritance from their mother, although I must add that I was never really a fan of Victoria Lockwood's looks particularly........


Does anyone have a picture of Victoria Lockwood.  Was she not a rather successful UK fashion model?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Kimberly on September 11, 2007, 11:39:48 AM
Here she is Tampa,( and I agree with Martyn.)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/images/_36237_countess.jpg (http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/images/_36237_countess.jpg)
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: TampaBay on September 11, 2007, 08:35:54 PM
Here she is Tampa,( and I agree with Martyn.)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/images/_36237_countess.jpg (http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/images/_36237_countess.jpg)

Kimberely,

"TB"to your darling as with my other VBB (very best buddies)!!!

I am just curious,  was she not a very very successful UK fashion model?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Mari on September 11, 2007, 11:33:31 PM

 Leuchtenberg: I personally like political and social satire Cartoons are you getting these from an English Newspaper? I actually collect the old ones from WWII and before.
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: FairyCutie86 on September 14, 2007, 03:27:06 PM
I'm so glad that Prince William and Prince Harry were finally interviewed.  They probably were before, I don't know, but I think everyone really got to see their personalities and that they are just like every other guy in the world.  I've never seen an interview that detailed with them and it was great to watch.  This whole thing has probably been brought up already but I just wanted to put my say in it.
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: grandduchessella on September 14, 2007, 09:04:27 PM
Yes, it was discussed--I've merged your post with the old thread. We ask new posters to please do a quick search before starting a new thread. I've spent hours on the various threads merging repetitive threads over the last months and I sometimes feel like I'm playing whack-a-mole.  :P Newbies should always feel free & welcome to 'jump in' and even start their own threads, just please check first--many of the sections are only a few pages long.
Title: Re: William and Harry interview
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on September 15, 2007, 07:07:20 AM
I'm so glad that Prince William and Prince Harry were finally interviewed.  They probably were before, I don't know, but I think everyone really got to see their personalities and that they are just like every other guy in the world.  I've never seen an interview that detailed with them and it was great to watch.  This whole thing has probably been brought up already but I just wanted to put my say in it.
Me too I am also glad that they were interviewed even though this was many months ago but I seen the whole interview and I thought it was great. Perhaps Harry and William both need help with their speeches becuase William did not do a good job at the Diana concert with his speech. Remember he was flipping cards and reading and he sounded a little nervous. He should have at least remember what he was going to say. I think Prince Harry did okay even though he did the same thing but I think he did a better job than William did with the concert for Diana speech. But in the interview I thought William did a good job with answering the questions and Harry still needs work on his interview speeches.
Title: Re: Diana Memorial Service and Concert, 2007
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on September 16, 2007, 06:16:51 PM
Yes I agree that politcal cartoon is a bit harsh but thats what they are made for polital cartoons are supose to be funny and make fun of people.  But, sometimes it can go way too far where it might hurt the person's feelings. Like when Queen Elizabeth II she does not mind people making jokes but they have to be appropiate and for fun and not like rude and cruel jokes.The political cartoon is just like any other cartoon just too have fun. I am not certain about how Prince Philip will react if he saw it?
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Greenowl on September 18, 2007, 12:24:05 PM
I spent much of that evening/night in an airport, awaiting my husband's flight, which had been delayed by several hours. My son (then aged 6) was with me. As we live about fours hour's drive from the airport I did not have much choice but to wait. In the course of our wait we had a meal, and my son took so long drinking his cola that I  told him to take the glass with him and we could give it back later. When my husband's flight eventually arrived at around midnight I phoned my aunt (as she always worries if we are not home on time!!) to tell her that we had been delayed, but that the flight had now arrived and we would be leaving the airport within the next half an hour and that I would phone her again in the morning. She told me to drive carefully, as she had heard on the news that Princess Diana had been involved in a motor accident and seemed to be in a serious condition. Strangely enough, as we were leaving the airport we witnessed a motor accident involving a motor bike (I have always remembered that and hope that the victim was not seriously injured). Having arrived home in the middle of the night/early hours of the morning we slept late the following  day. When I phoned my aunt as promised I found her very upset and she at once told me that Princess Diana had died. Incidentally, I forgot all about the glass mentioned above, and it was only when we reached the car that I realised my son was still carrying it. At that stage there was no going back, so we took it with us, and we still have it and use it occasionally. When I see it I always remember the night that Princess Diana died
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: CHRISinUSA on September 18, 2007, 03:02:41 PM
It was late Sunday morning local time (late Sunday afternoon London time) when I grabbed a cup of coffee and went online to check email.  On my home page I saw the news headline "Charles returns home with Diana's body".  I was initally confused about what that meant, mistakenly interpreting it as some sensational tabloid story.  I merely glanced at it and went about reading and responding to emails.

Perhaps 30 minutes later, I returned to my home page before turning off the computer.  This time the headline read "Britain stunned by death of Princess Diana".  That's when the reality of what has happened actually struck me.  I spent the next few hours with CNN on the television and scanning various news websites for any new emerging details. 

Finally my (then) partner said "For God's sake, are you going to waste this beautiful day inside over somebody you didn't even know?"  I relented and went outside to do some gardening - but nevertheless was glued to the television for the next week and got up very early the day of the funeral to watch the sad event.
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Lolita on September 19, 2007, 02:37:39 PM
I was two years years old during the time but luckily,my sister told me her expierience on the story

She said she was watching Saturday Night Live(for those who don't know,it's a late night comedy show in America,think of mthony python, but in america)and the show was interuppted by the news she was in a car crash,injured.My sister said she was upset and thought "Hello!This is America".Then,later on,it was reported she was dead.
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Tdora1 on September 25, 2007, 05:59:34 AM
On an early-morning Silja Line car ferry sailing from Stockholm to Helsinki. The attendant who boarded me saw my British numberplate and told me the news. Shock doesn't describe it: I'd spent the previous evening near the Stockholm Palace railing at a friend about Diana's antics in the Med with Dodi and how would her sons feel going to back to school with her cooperation in having it plastered all over the tabloids. Her tragic death in no way altered my long-held negative perception of her but even though I was out of the UK the coverage made me realise that any who may have shared my feelings were keeping a very low profile. The funeral I saw bits of while driving towards Rovaniemi on the Arctic Circle - it was playing on TV at every roadside stop. Alas I did catch Earl Spencer's eulogy which made me cringe. I also found the scenes of the Queen of England having to be subject to the showbiz ersatz emofest of the Elton John bits, for example, most upsetting. I hated the way she was vilified for simply trying to look after her family - her teenage grandsons' mother was dead, dammit. To whom did Diana's death seem to really matter the most? Not to her kids, oh no, but instead to the instantly-needy, mass-blubbering, petrol-station-bouquet-laying public. I was so glad to be heading towards the people-sparse Lapland that week. 10 years on all I can think is still - those poor bewildered little lads.
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: imperial angel on November 05, 2008, 01:31:47 PM
Great idea for a thread! More people should post.
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 07, 2008, 02:29:55 PM
I recieved a call from Hong Kong that told me that Diana had died. I thought it was a sick joke, and was actually in San Fransisco vactioning. I open the TV and saw the wreck in Paris via CNN. My mind went blank...
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: ashdean on November 08, 2008, 01:04:09 PM
On an early-morning Silja Line car ferry sailing from Stockholm to Helsinki. The attendant who boarded me saw my British numberplate and told me the news. Shock doesn't describe it: I'd spent the previous evening near the Stockholm Palace railing at a friend about Diana's antics in the Med with Dodi and how would her sons feel going to back to school with her cooperation in having it plastered all over the tabloids. Her tragic death in no way altered my long-held negative perception of her but even though I was out of the UK the coverage made me realise that any who may have shared my feelings were keeping a very low profile. The funeral I saw bits of while driving towards Rovaniemi on the Arctic Circle - it was playing on TV at every roadside stop. Alas I did catch Earl Spencer's eulogy which made me cringe. I also found the scenes of the Queen of England having to be subject to the showbiz ersatz emofest of the Elton John bits, for example, most upsetting. I hated the way she was vilified for simply trying to look after her family - her teenage grandsons' mother was dead, dammit. To whom did Diana's death seem to really matter the most? Not to her kids, oh no, but instead to the instantly-needy, mass-blubbering, petrol-station-bouquet-laying public. I was so glad to be heading towards the people-sparse Lapland that week. 10 years on all I can think is still - those poor bewildered little lads.
I agree exactly with you in my disgust of how our Queen was treated in the days after Diana's death.Thankfully time has put HM actions in perspective...and shown several people applauded at the time of Diana's death to be nothing more than hypocrites!
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I was at home near Lancaster.I had had not heard the news of the crash as having had a very early start that Saturday I had gone to bed early.I awoke early on the Sunday and decided to watch a TV programme I had taped..as I turned on the TV a negress her  face contorted by grief was been filmed laying flowers outside Kensington Palace and the story unfolded.I felt very sorry that a young life had been extinguished in such a tragic way (indeed I felt sorry for the other victims) but to be candid Diana had laid down with dogs when she began her association with the Fayed duo..sadly she came up with more than fleas..it cost her...her life.
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Adagietto on November 08, 2008, 05:48:22 PM
I can't remember, but I do recollect that I was glad to have to leave London a few days later to go abroad,and so get away from the febrile atmosphere that developed; a bizarre period.
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 08, 2008, 06:59:12 PM
Yes a sad and chaotic period !
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Prince_Christopher on November 16, 2008, 07:57:39 AM
I was in the living room of my mother's home, having recently moved in with her to help her with her cancer.  My mother, grandmother, and I were up rather late, just talking and watching television when the news flashed that she had been in an accident.  A few minutes later, we were told by a newscaster that "the princess has died."  I will never forget those words and the shock we all felt.  I worked with a friend who was a big follower of Diana and for the next several days we watched all the developments on a TV at work.  Later, my friend and I and some others gathered to watch the funeral.
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on November 16, 2008, 08:28:02 AM
I was only a kid at the time but my mother was a Diana-suporter from the start, and she gave that on to me. That sunday-morning I turned on the television to watch a show I watched when I was younger and I saw Images of Diana flashing over the screen so I started to watch and got that she had an accident, I went up to wake up my mom and when she got downstairs we heard that she had died. My mom and I both were quite upset during that week, I remember going to school the next day and while most kids were playing during break I sat there most of the time. It just got me, I was only 6 at the time, but I was sad. The next Saturday my mom and I watched the funeral, I didn't understand much at the time but I did feel  horrible, sad and emotional. I remember that my mom started crying quite soon after the start of the service and a little later I did too.

When I grew older I began to understand why Diana was so loved and started to read everything I could, to get a better understanding on her life and death.  I remember that I actually persuaded my parents into buying the BC-recording of her funeral, the double-cd that was released shortly after it, Elton John's single and the BBC-documentary "Diana - A Celebration", in my eyes I kept Diana with me by doing that. I never met her but she just touched me, as many others. Also when I was younger I was interested in Royalty already(mostly because the beautiful palaces, gowns, and fairytale-stories - to me Diana was a fairytale-princess then - but later it grew into real interest)
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: emeraldeyes on November 16, 2008, 08:46:28 PM
I was in London in September - the scene at the Kensington Palace gates:

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Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 17, 2008, 10:54:42 AM
i remember those events as if yesterday...
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Marc on November 20, 2008, 05:44:45 PM
I was at the seaside with my parents...remember that for sure!
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 21, 2008, 10:22:52 AM
Indeed...Just like a previous generation (Where were you when Kennedy was shot ?). It will take a long time to forget.
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: boleynfan on November 21, 2008, 03:31:47 PM
I was at home when I heard the news.

What I remember even more vividly was the day of her funeral.  My friend and I had tickets to see "The Jewels of the Tsars" exhibit in San Diego.  We left LA in the still dark early morning to drive down.  I will never forget how many homes we drove past where we saw the TVs on in those predawn hours, up to watch the services on Saturday morning.
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 24, 2008, 09:35:55 AM
Yes...It was asad furneral. I almost lost it when I saw Harry's message of "Mummy" on the wreath...
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Jebediha on November 24, 2008, 11:25:05 AM
On a boat to Denmark
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 24, 2008, 02:35:22 PM
How did you feel when you heard ?
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Jebediha on November 24, 2008, 02:51:46 PM
who me ?


My grandfather had also just died. So to be honest i realy did not care that Diana died so i felt noting i was totaly indiffrent to it that she had died
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Tdora1 on November 24, 2008, 06:41:49 PM
On a boat to Denmark

Not far from me! I was on Silja Line from Stockholm to Helsinki.
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 25, 2008, 09:45:14 AM
It is a global thing now.
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Halinka on November 25, 2008, 11:20:19 AM
Proably potty training, I was still kid.
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 25, 2008, 04:06:14 PM
10 years ago...
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: OctoberLily on December 17, 2008, 01:45:12 PM
I remember this so vividly.  It was my 20th high school reunion and I had persuaded my husband to babysit for our twin girls while I attended the event.  It was my first night out after having my babies (even tho they were 10 months old!) and I had had a wonderful time and arrived home much later than I should.  My husband hated babysitting and I thought I would be in trouble for sure!  But he greeted me with the news and I remember thinking to myself "he's made this up!".  He hadn't.

I stayed up the rest of the night watching CNN to get the full story, and I was glued to the television during the funeral.  I so remember watching William and Harry, William especially, during the procession. His eyes downcast as, if he looked up to see the outpouring of emotion, he wouldn't be able to contain his own.  My heart went out to those boys!

I've thought of that often over the past several months.  I lost my husband in September of this year and my girls are now twelve years old.  So similar in age to Diana's boys.  The loss of a parent is so very hard at any age, but quite devastating to adolescents.
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on December 17, 2008, 02:02:14 PM
Playing with younger sister   Videogames   about 12  i had just had surgery had just got interested into the Royals   it hit me pretty hard    and her sons   o  how bad i felt for them.....just sad....I Even felt bad for HM i know everyone sees it differently   and the Mummy note  sad...i always wondered  what he wrote on the inside  I Thought the Queen Bowing was a great thing to have done.
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 17, 2008, 02:04:24 PM
Yes...I thought the bow was quite incrediable...especially when one hear stories of her dislike of her.
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Grace on December 17, 2008, 02:25:41 PM
I never heard that the Queen disliked Diana as a person.  She certainly disapproved of some of the decisions Diana made though, I don't think there is any doubt of that.
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 17, 2008, 04:27:25 PM
In the end, she was quite fed up with her.
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: imperial angel on December 17, 2008, 07:27:16 PM
I thiught your perspective was very perceptive OctoberLily when you mentioned your daughters lost their father at such a young age and then talking about what it was like for William and Harry who were 15 and 12 when they lost their mother. I can only imagine what it must be like for children to lose a parent at a young age- and William and Harry had to face this in front of the world, moreover, whch must have made it harder. The funeral service was broadcast world wide. I remember watching it on tv.
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Grace on December 17, 2008, 11:05:50 PM
In the end, she was quite fed up with her.

Again, this doesn't mean the Queen 'disliked' her, Eric.  I'm fed up with my kids at 6pm each night but I don't dislike them...
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: imperial angel on December 17, 2008, 11:39:01 PM
I think the Queen and Diana just had trouble understanding each other. The Queen is from a very different generation of royalty than Diana belonged to, and indeed, Diana was unlike the whole house of Windsor, she didn't fit in. I think the Queen just had trouble understanding why Diana did the things she did. I agree she disaproved, for sure. Diana and the Queen just had two totally different outlooks on what it meant to be royalty. Anyone ever read the Queen and Diana book by Ingrid Seward- I did back in 2001 but I can't remember much of it. That they hated each other would be an overstatement.
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 18, 2008, 08:13:46 AM
I agree that she did not "hate" Diana, but disaproved of her and did not wanted to get involved. Anyone who saw "The Queen" would see how impossible that the Queen would have "loved" her. Surprisingly though, Prince Philip did his best to reach out to her until the end.
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on December 18, 2008, 06:51:41 PM
I Dont belive the Royals Desereve as much blame as they get personally
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 19, 2008, 09:31:56 AM
I think the Royals were blamed because they misjudged the mood of the people. It wasonly their return that it defused the situation caused by Diana's death. The Queen was "Our nation's mother or grandmother" and how could she not involved when a nation was in grief ?
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Olga Maria on February 08, 2009, 01:19:30 AM
It's my first time to comment in this thread....
I was 5 years old then. I saw the car so crushed from the impact.
The funeral was shown but I disregarded it.
Now, I'm regretting why I was not able to see it...
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on February 08, 2009, 02:16:28 AM
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i was here in san francisco (where i live).  i was in my neighborhood café and overheard 2 friends talking outside.  they didn't mention a name, but were discussion the accident.  for some odd reason, i knew they were talking about diana.

i say "odd" because, although i admired her very much, she was never a great interest of mine, so i've always found it rather odd that i would have known they were talking about her even though they had not mentioned any names at all.


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Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 08, 2009, 05:17:43 AM
Well, I was one year and 8 months old when she died, so I don't believe I payed attention to my parents when they were talking about it. I probably saw something on TV (when my family was watching, but I don't remember a thing. :-[
Title: Re: Where were you/What were you doing when you heard Diana had died?
Post by: alixaannencova on February 08, 2009, 03:44:00 PM
I have always put off making a response to this thread and still am not sure why I am...but, anyway....

I hosted a party on the night/early morning of the 30th/31st at my place in London. In those days we all seemed to party quite a lot at weekends, but this particular party was quite a 'flat' one as I recall and all the guests had left by one and I fell into bed. Some time later, a girl friend who was staying over, came in and began whispering feverishly 'Are you awake...' to which I grumpily replied 'I am now!
  She then proceeded to impart the news that Diana had been in an accident and was injured. I was so tired I just mumbled I do not remember what, and was left alone. Thereafter I lay there in that strange place hovering between sleep and wakefulness. At that time, we were aware that Diana had been frolicking in the Med with Dodi on board the Jonikal, but few had known that she had flown to Paris. As I lay there, I wondered if her accident had involved a collision with another vessel then I must have fallen asleep only to be woken by an increasingly noisome friend chattering into the telephone in the spare room next door and I relented and got up. This was when I blinked at the screen of the television as the newsreader began talking about the tunnel, the thirteenth pillar and shots of the crushed black Mercedes brought home the magnitude of the situation, but then at that time Diana was merely 'injured' so it did not seem a huge deal, but being now fully awake I made some coffee and realized that my sleep over chum was on the phone to her mother in the States, feeding her details of the situation like a member of the press ringing in a story. I remember standing there thinking 'I had no idea you were such a fan of Diana,' and then I found myself gazing at the television as the story was repeated over and over. The car, the Ritz, the tunnel...the car, the Ritz, the tunnel...over and over. Then the news was fed through that Diana's injuries were more serious and the tone of the broadcasts changed, then the French Doctor in front of the press and then the Reuters leak about her death etc. It was all very hazy and vivid at the same time and I remember spilling my coffee!

Thereafter, as it was still so early we sat there babbling about how unbelievable it was as the television continued to roll its endless item. It was extraordinary just how many times one found oneself watching the same footage over and over, like a rabbit mesmerized by a snake. It really was odd, as I had never really been a fan of Diana, I admired her in many ways for her humanitarian work, but I never really warmed to her and had tired of the constant barrage of headlines she had incited in Fleet street, especially over the last six weeks of her life.

Anyway my friend was back on the phone in minutes chattering away in 'hushed, breathless' tones and I began to feel a terrible sense of hostility and revulsion at this. I needed to get away from the babble, I needed quiet time, I could not stand to hear the edge of excitement in her voice, it seemed so shocking to see someone being somehow 'excited' by such dreadful news. I dressed and escaped saying I fancied a walk. I was living off High Street Ken at the time and I remember it felt unexpectedly chilly that morning, My local news agent was open and was selling the hastily delivered and even more hastily rewritten early editions. I wandered up to Notting Hill and found a cafe open and just sat there sipping coffee as I tried to read the paper. Although the front page of the Sunday Times had been changed to carry the news of Diana's death, one of the inserts, the News Review, had not been pulled, and it carried a huge two page article on the psychological state of Diana and tried to explain away her behaviour, citing her parents' divorce etc. It was basically a rehash of old stuff, but it did touch on her escapades in the Med. It was rather mundane but it was also rather terse and clinical in tone, but then it had been written up before the crash, and had been left in the early editions evidently in error. I remember thinking at the time, how awful it was to see an article in that vein. Gushing tributes on the front page and this psycho babble within. It all seemed so horribly hypocritical!

Galvanized by a coffee and a croissant I went home and even then at eight in the morning Hight street Ken was busier then normal for a Sunday. People were standing around, grey faced and rather bewildered at Palace Avenue and Palace Gate and I thought, 'What are they all doing here? What good will it do standing around outside KP? Are they looking for reaffirmation, comfort in sharing the whole thing with others. It was rather haunting and uncomfortable to see those people there, just standing around. It was before all the flowers and things started being placed en masse. I went home and as the television was still on, watched Tony Blair making his little speech outside church. 

         
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 08, 2009, 04:03:31 PM
In simple terms, Diana's death shocked a nation and many people around the world. I was in Boston and attented a memorial for Diana. Some of the women were in the deepest black and cried all through the service. I think some British (mostly older ones) did not appreciate Diana's impact around the world.
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Post by: Olga Maria on February 09, 2009, 03:24:48 AM
She also has many fans here in Philippines...
I agree with what you said, Eric.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on February 09, 2009, 12:01:03 PM
In simple terms, Diana's death shocked a nation and many people around the world. I was in Boston and attented a memorial for Diana. Some of the women were in the deepest black and cried all through the service. I think some British (mostly older ones) did not appreciate Diana's impact around the world.

I do agree on this, Diana was the voice of a younger generation, while the elder one probably looked to The Queen herself for guidance, so all the 'hysteria' as some said it to be would, in their eyes, just be some over-dramatised effect. Though I think those few days showed Diana's impact was far more bigger than it was thought to be
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 09, 2009, 12:30:43 PM
Indeed. As time proved, Diana's lesson was learnt by today's royals. As a result, it became more in tune with the people's expectatations. I am a fan of hers, but understood there were flaws in her charecter. However Diana did have a powerful message and sadly it took her death to realise many of the changes. Just as today in America under Barack Obama, Diana's message was to get involved and help people around the world (Aids, landmines, leprosy, family problems), and become a positive force for good.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on February 09, 2009, 12:55:18 PM
Indeed. I always admired her, but do not see her as some saint, she had her flaws like all of us but we have to remember the good she did for the world, and that is much more than others who have the
kind of position she had during her life.
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Post by: Grace on February 09, 2009, 01:23:59 PM
Indeed. As time proved, Diana's lesson was learnt by today's royals. As a result, it became more in tune with the people's expectatations. I am a fan of hers, but understood there were flaws in her charecter. However Diana did have a powerful message and sadly it took her death to realise many of the changes. Just as today in America under Barack Obama, Diana's message was to get involved and help people around the world (Aids, landmines, leprosy, family problems), and become a positive force for good.

Can't see any comparison whatsoever between Diana, Princess of Wales and the new American president, I'm afraid!  After all, one was a member of the aristocracy who married into the British royal family and tried to make a difference and one is an African-American who is trying to make a difference as a politician.  I think Mr. Obama has enough on his plate at present with the economy and the Iraq/Afghanistan conflicts to be straying into the sort of areas Diana worked in.  Just my opinion.   
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 09, 2009, 03:02:14 PM
Indeed...The comparison is hardly physical. After Princess Diana died, many people were inspired by her good works to become volenteers to help the poor and needy around the world. President Obama's message of "Yes you can" also inspired people that they can make a difference in people's lives. The day before he became president, he went to poor communities and help with the painting (I don't think you will see Gordon Brown in that position). It is similar to Diana helping with the kitchen of the poor in India ( I don't think Camilla or the Queen will do that too). The sense of social service and to make a difference in other's lives is really universal.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on February 10, 2009, 03:37:08 PM
I agree, only once in great amount of time there are people who manage to get thet kind of outreach and Diana was one of them, and her name still opens doors now.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 10, 2009, 05:16:15 PM
Diana's spirit of reaching out has survived while the old indifference and stiff upper lip has gone out of fashion. It was also shown on her furneral and people of such diversity marched that day.
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Post by: Charity on February 10, 2009, 10:12:21 PM
Indeed. As time proved, Diana's lesson was learnt by today's royals. As a result, it became more in tune with the people's expectatations. I am a fan of hers, but understood there were flaws in her charecter. However Diana did have a powerful message and sadly it took her death to realise many of the changes. Just as today in America under Barack Obama, Diana's message was to get involved and help people around the world (Aids, landmines, leprosy, family problems), and become a positive force for good.

There has always been an expectation by the masses that the "upper classes" do good works and contribute to charity, this is nothing new!  Sure, there were many who do/did it only for their own positive publicity, but there were/are a some very caring and conscientious members of the aristocracy and royal families who reached out, got involved and became a positive force for good.

Diana did not change the world, she just added her bit to it.  That is not to say her bit wasnt' fantastic, but putting her on such a high pedestal is wrong.   
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Post by: Marie-Catherine on February 10, 2009, 10:14:51 PM
As a 6 years old kid, I was probably running naked aroung the lake.
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Post by: Mari on February 10, 2009, 10:35:41 PM
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Indeed. As time proved, Diana's lesson was learnt by today's royals. As a result, it became more in tune with the people's expectatations. I am a fan of hers, but understood there were flaws in her charecter. However Diana did have a powerful message and sadly it took her death to realise many of the changes. Just as today in America under Barack Obama, Diana's message was to get involved and help people around the world (Aids, landmines, leprosy, family problems), and become a positive force for good.
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Charity said: :"Diana did not change the world, she just added her bit to it.  That is not to say her bit wasnt' fantastic, but putting her on such a high pedestal is wrong."

What high Pedestal are you talking about? He said She helped People around the World...and she did...All those things, Aids, Landmines etc. were pointed out to the World in higher detail.... because Diana... shocked first by shaking the hand of an Aids Victim without gloves on and made them human. She walked out in gear among an area known to have land mines and sat with a child that had lost its leg. Who else of the Royal Family do you know that did that back then? Its impossible to deny the good that She did! People noticed her every move and she used that and was starting to use it more and more for good things...to make us all aware and to raise money for these causes! She did not just add her bit to it...she was not just attending flower shows saying benign things like "beautiful weather we're having here" stuff! She had her faults but lets not deny that She was the most photographed Woman in the World and her every action plastered on the front page of something and She had begun more and more to find herself and use it to help others. 
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Post by: Charity on February 10, 2009, 10:50:55 PM
The high pedestal that some people insist she changed the world, that nobody else reached out as far as Diana did, nor were as caring as her.....

I have not denied the good she did, I acknowledged that good, Mari!!  However, reading the comments of some posters it is plainly obvious that she is put on a pedestal that she herself did not want.  She wanted the recognition for her work as we all do, but she didn't want to be considered some sort of angel.  She knew as well as the rest of us that she wasn't.  "Doing my bit..." were her words, though unfortunately I can't at the moment publish a source for you for that comment.  :)
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on February 11, 2009, 08:02:07 AM
The high pedestal that some people insist she changed the world, that nobody else reached out as far as Diana did, nor were as caring as her.....

Ofcourse Diana was no saint, she had her flaws like us all, but her work as humanitarian is, and will be for a long time, seen as great because her popularity among the press and people got the attention for those causes. That is what she wanted, attention for her causes, and she got it. Only for that her humanitarian work can be seen as great. Also her work for people with AIDS, Lepra and landmines showed she had great outreach. Those things were never spoken of among the masses before, she got people into action. And because of her those people still fight for those causes.

The Aristocratic and Royal classes wouldn't have done that back then, they wouldn't have imagined, but then Diana, also an Aristocrat, came and 'shocked' them. But see what it did to the masses, usualy people from the Aristocratic classes or Royal family would never get out there as she did, they did their kind of work and got involved but never in a way as Diana did. That is her legacy, or part of it.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 11, 2009, 11:26:37 AM
Well said ! Diana did broke new grounds in Aids. Her gloveless shakes changed many minds about how the diesese can be transmitted. She did not only "did her bit". She changed minds and shown that she with her popularity can change the world. That is not to say that she was a saint, she had her flaws, but what she did in her position was quite amazing. Compared with Princess Margaret and the Queen Mother, the scope of her charity work raised the standards globally. Princess Anne also did good works, but she could never comfort the children of leopsy, Aids and landmines the way Diana did. She gave them her heart, and there is a difference.
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Post by: alixaannencova on February 11, 2009, 08:35:19 PM
I often wonder why those who appear to still worship Diana have not transferred some of their adoration to Katherine Kent?

If one looks closely, Katherine Kent could have been an exemplar that Diana could have observed and learnt from during the difficult years. I wonder if Diana ever shared her problems with Katherine? If any one could have related to her emotional troubles and state of mind, especially with regards to the way she, Diana was being marginalized within the family, Katherine Kent was the obvious candidate.


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Post by: Olga Maria on February 12, 2009, 02:43:00 AM
Well said ! Diana did broke new grounds in Aids. Her gloveless shakes changed many minds about how the diesese can be transmitted. She did not only "did her bit". She changed minds and shown that she with her popularity can change the world. That is not to say that she was a saint, she had her flaws, but what she did in her position was quite amazing. Compared with Princess Margaret and the Queen Mother, the scope of her charity work raised the standards globally. Princess Anne also did good works, but she could never comfort the children of leopsy, Aids and landmines the way Diana did. She gave them her heart, and there is a difference.

Yes, Diana had a "more exceptional touch" on people unlike those whom you mentioned above, Eric.
That's what made her a sensational princess. She can sweep everybody's feet from the ground as well as extend utter benevolence to people encircling her (especially the helpless).

I often wonder why those who appear to still worship Diana have not transferred some of their adoration to Katherine Kent?

If one looks closely, Katherine Kent could have been an exemplar that Diana could have observed and learnt from during the difficult years. I wonder if Diana ever shared her problems with Katherine? If any one could have related to her emotional troubles and state of mind, especially with regards to the way she, Diana was being marginalized within the family, Katherine Kent was the obvious candidate.


Who's Katherine Kent by the way? Sorry for asking you, alixaannencova. I can do the research myself but I have no time reading it. thank you.
I think she's of noble birth, too.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 12, 2009, 11:44:38 AM
Katheine Kent is the Duchess of Kent. Born Katherine Worsley, she married Edward, Duke of Kent, cousin to the Queen. Princess Marina, Duchess of Kent (Edward's mother) was against the match due to the differences of the backgrounds, but also Katherine's ability to cope with Royal life. The marriage produced three children, but the couple grew apart. Katherine retreated herself and suffered a breakdown. She did not divorce her husband (due to loyalty to the Queen), but sought solace in good works and religion. Diana had a rapport with "Caring Kate" and "loved her to bits".She genuinely felt sorry for the older woman, who in turn became her only friend in the Royal Family.
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Post by: GoldenPen on February 12, 2009, 12:35:16 PM
I was still in grade school at the time, one of the teachers came in my class and started to cried, Very sad.

Truly, GoldenPen
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 12, 2009, 03:58:54 PM
It was a great waste, she could have done so much more good (charity work).
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Post by: Olga Maria on February 12, 2009, 07:11:20 PM
Thanks for that, Sir Eric! She (Katherine) also suffered terribly in the royal family's side due to her backgrounds.
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Post by: Charity on February 12, 2009, 09:51:58 PM
Uh, no, she did not suffer terribly in the royal family due to her background, IngridAlexie!

Katherine Kent unfortunately suffered severe depression after the loss of a child (stillborn), and also suffered from coeliac disease for a long time before it was diagnosed.  She is a dignified lady who made no public issue of her troubles and as such, gained a lot of respect and devotion from many people.   
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Post by: alixaannencova on February 12, 2009, 10:30:39 PM
I have never been aware of any issues over the Duchess of Kent's background, although  I can see that Princess Marina may have been a little disappointed to have had a mere baronet's daughter as her son's wife! Especially with Marina's issues with Cookie and Alice Gloucester in the past! But I am sure that after a few years, even Marina must have seen the amazing qualities Katherine possesses.

Furthermore, Katherine Kent has all but dropped the use of HRH since the early nineties, before Diana relinquished her style and precedence. To her pupils the Duchess is/was simply Mrs Kent which I think absolutely wonderful! Invariably the Duchess seems to prefer not to use her style and precedence in any situation other the grandest of official ones.

I have always had a soft spot for the Duchess of Kent, never has she complained and she has always maintained a serene dignity. Hints about the way some members of the RF reacted to her (Katherine's) illnesses left me furious for a while. I still get angry when I remember the assumptions that she was shirking her duties in the eighties. Interestingly enough though, the press always seems to have been half in love with Katherine Kent and in return for their respect of her privacy, she has been quite generous over the years, giving various interviews and continuing to be approachable, even to them. I know for a fact that Fleet street had an inkling about her teaching job, long before it was made into a story proper. It is such a shame that she couldn't have guided Diana in some way to find a niche without having to descend into a dangerous game of courting the press etc, and perhaps found another way out. I wonder sometimes at the Duchess of Kent's ingenious balancing act of discretion, loyalty and independence!!!!


Sorry I have gone off thread, but it does strike me that Katherine Kent dealt with her difficulties in a way from which Diana could have learnt so much!!!!




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Post by: Charity on February 12, 2009, 10:43:39 PM
I too think that Diana could have greatly benefited from heeding advice from Katherine (were it asked for and given).  It would seem that Diana had a tendency to follow her own track regardless though, with somewhat disastrous results.  She apparently liked Katherine, but they weren't the same generation and Katherine's idea of duty and Diana's seemed to be at odds.

I remember when it was reported that members of the royal family thought she was shirking her duty, but then, this was before she was properly diagnosed with the debilitating illness.  True to her character, I would imagine that Katherine herself didn't discuss/divulge much of her troubles even to her relations, so its a little bit understandable that they misunderstood. 

Also, I think I remember reading somewhere that her mother died around the time she lost her baby, so that contributed to her severe depression.  I don't have a source for that to hand at the moment though.

 
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Post by: Olga Maria on February 12, 2009, 10:49:18 PM
Ah, now I see.
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Post by: alixaannencova on February 12, 2009, 11:55:47 PM
Exactly Charity, that is my point...had Diana wanted to look, there was a member of the previous generation within the RF, with whom she could have related her problems to. I am not assuming that they had anything in common, but perhaps Katherine Kent would have been the most likely figure to turn to for advice or to whom one could compare oneself,  at least during the latter part of the eighties. Perhaps, in her own way, the Duchess may have advised Diana to pull, not only her head in so to speak, but herself together for that matter, but perhaps Diana did not see it or accept it like that....this is pure speculation I warrant!

I accept though, as you say, Diana chose her own path, especially when one compares her to Katherine Kent! But, it is important to point out that she was not entirely 'alone'. Okay,...so, Katherine Kent went about finding and establishing her independence in a subtler more mature way, but she was still laying the ground rules long before Diana and Charles' horrendous trip to Korea! By then Katherine Kent was already 'doing' her own thing I believe, as well as balancing that with her royal duties and no one, neither establishment, press nor public objected nor sort to, openly anyway. This, I believe is because Katherine Kent has never behaved like a victim, but instead accepted the so called fundamentals or 'bed of roses' of being married into the RF and managed to created her own life within as well as without and got on with life. Hers is an example of how to survive and still lead a meaningful and fulfilled life as a member of the RF....voila, there.... sorry... let's move on shall we before I get in to trouble! Diana's ground tends to be rather rocky to say the least and I keep forgetting that this thread is about where one was when Diana died, not about her life etc....!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 13, 2009, 11:29:40 AM
Well...One must bear in mind that Diana and Katherine came from different backgrounds. Diana was born into gentry with closeness with the Royal Family that Katherine did not share. As a result Diana (and to a certain degree Fergie) sees the Queen and her family as people rather than a crown or institution. She believes in equality in a marriage, and soon drop the "Sir" to her royal husband. Katherine was a subject of the Queen and as a common girl (one without a title and the closeness with the Royal Family), she saw it as duty. The fact was Katherine was very supportive of Diana's charity work (unlike Charles and other members of the Royal Family) and the two women were close friends. When Diana died she took over the Aids Foundation from her. Her story reminded me a bit about Diana's grandmother, Cynthia, Countess Spencer.
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Post by: alixaannencova on February 13, 2009, 01:54:26 PM
Diana came from the aristocracy Eric. Katherine Kent is from the landed gentry and to a lesser degree Sarah, Duchess of York is also from the ranks of the gentry. I do see your point that Diana and Sarah had both been acquainted with the RF long before their marriages whereas Katherine Kent had not which may have coloured perceptions somewhat.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 13, 2009, 02:30:28 PM
Yes...That point was bought home when at the furneral of Diana, Charles Spencer (Diana's brother, who was also a godson of the Queen) bought a stunning rebuke to the Royal Family's treatment of his sister. I cannot imagine the Duchess of Kent would do the same. The generation gap between the two women also meant the idea of women's equality (remember the embarassing situation that led to Frances Spencer to go to a fertility clinic after producing three girls...) was different. Katherine's daughter Lady Helen Windor was also an independent woman with a career.

Back to the day Diana died, the days following were sombre and a deep sadness swept over the world. 
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Post by: Lindelle on April 18, 2009, 05:56:55 AM
Like to no what other think of this. Yes the Queen has a duty to her country and she takes that seriously BUT in the case of her grandchildren losing their mother I think she used her heart before her head. William and Harry would have been in untold shock so the queen and family rally around them. To those of us who have lost someone dear we know that the last thing we can do is comprehend the situation properly and that is speaking as an adult. So what were the RF supposed to do? Come out so the public could see them and say 'here we are-having a good look at us while we grieve'? I believe the RF respected the boys and their own feelings BEFORE they showed themselves to the world. This has always been a subject that has riled me to no end. The boys lost their MOTHER and all the newspapers were saying was 'Come out and show us you care about us!' The Queen was simply acting as Grandmother, she didn't want her grandsons to be shown off to the public and I believe she did the right thing when she made the tv appearance and I believe she did that with the greatest timing to the boys.

I was sitting at home watching tv when the announcement was made.
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Post by: Erika on April 18, 2009, 06:06:10 AM
I was at my neighbor's house playing when we walked by the television and learned what had happened. I was seven years at that time and had never heard of Diana.
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Post by: tom_romanov on April 19, 2009, 12:58:19 PM
I was 3 (almost 4) so I guess it's one of my earliest memories. We were up early because we were holding a car-boot sale (like a yard sale) and there was a picture of Diana on a black background on the TV. That's all I remember, I wasn't really interested at the time, being a little kid.
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Post by: Douglas on April 23, 2009, 10:06:00 PM
First, I really wanted Diana to have a new life, husband and to be happy. 
 
 I had just come back from buying a Fax machine for my business.  I turned on the TV and there was the beginning of the story.  I was numb for a couple days. [I'm in the USA]  My mother happened to be visiting that day.  She's was not the type to be overly moved by something like death.  Her mother had died when she was age nine.

 A true tragedy.  I couldn't help but think about her two young sons and the impact that it would have on them.  I must have played that thought  a thousand times in my mind.

I doubt that they will  ever be free of the inpact of their mother's death at that young age.


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Post by: Mari on April 24, 2009, 04:23:04 AM
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First, I really wanted Diana to have a new life, husband and to be happy.
A true tragedy.  I couldn't help but think about her two young sons and the impact that it would have on them.  I must have played that thought  a thousand times in my mind.
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That is exactly what I wished for her Douglas...although it would have been difficult but maybe not impossible to have married  with a son that would one day be King!  She so badly deserved a chance to have a happy marriage and not one that started with a Man who was in love with another Woman! And then I think She could have reined in a lot of the drinking William and Harry have been doing. I remember a photo of Harry at a party when he was maybe 8 and he was misbehaving and Diana gave him that loving no...look that look to the side that said stop! And he stopped...the last picture I saw of them on vacation shortly before Diana died ....Harry had his arm around her neck! That night of the Car accident... staff later said the Prince William kept saying "it was a mistake...maybe it was a mistake." And that when they went into her Rooms to pick out things to keep William went as fast as he could and they said Harry kept lingering and picking up things and crying. It was all very sad!
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Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on March 11, 2010, 10:25:26 PM
I was helping prepare a barbeque in a forest which was part of the Buxhoeveden estate.
Well, that trumps my royal connection: I just heard it from my mother upon returning home from a bike trip with my father and brother around the southwest-Norwegian Lake of Frøyland (the one on Jæren, not in Sandnes), in which there is an islet believed to have been the birth place of Viking Age King Olav Tryggvason of Norway. (His pregnant mother was fleeing eastwards from rival claimants and Olav grew up as a slave in Estonia!) Of course, I can boost the royal connection with my hearing it in our garden, a mere 30 metres away from a stream, Storånå, whose freshwater pearls were the monopoly of Their Royal Majesties, the Queens of Denmark and Norway.....  (Sadly the stream is too polluted for pearls nowadays. :-( Oh and King Oscar II once stopped for a glass of spring water from a now disappeared spring a few hundred metres further north! :-)

At the time (I was 15) Diana's death made very little impression at all on me. It was just later when I joined royalty forums I understood that I had witnessed the making of a modern saint, in exactly the same hysteric manner saints were made by popular acclaim in the Middle Ages.
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Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on March 12, 2010, 04:31:15 AM
I was 11 years old, I was having lunch at my grandparents house, when my grandfather turned on the TV to watch the news, we heard the sad notice about the death of Lady Diana.
She was very loved and admired here in Italy.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 12, 2010, 06:55:11 PM
mmmmm... I was only seven years old, so I only can remember that it was widely broadcasted on the news. It's impossible for me to remember even more