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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Hohenzollern => Topic started by: HerrKaiser on October 09, 2004, 03:23:45 PM

Title: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on October 09, 2004, 03:23:45 PM
The Stadt Schloss in Berlin was considered to be the most grand example of baroque palace architecture in all of Europe. A main attribute was the so-called White Salon. Are there details of the design and decoration of this room? Was it white marble with white furnishings? How did the Stadt Schloss compare in terms of opulence to other royal residences in Europe and England?
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on October 21, 2004, 06:45:21 PM
In the "making of..." segment of the recent "The Lost Prince" TV movie, the documentarian said Wilhelm II "build the most sumptuous and elegant palaces in Europe". I have never known about such palaces. In Potsdam, the residences existed before Wilhelm came to power. The only new palace he built, I thought, was Ceceliehof for his son and wife. William did remodel some main rooms at Neues Palais but I was caught in a major surprise on the reference in the film. Any expert on this?
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: AGRBear on October 25, 2004, 07:32:00 PM
This is an expensive over sized book,  so,  see if you have it in your library.  It is called GERMAN CASTLES AND PALACES by Klaus Merten with photographs by Palo Manton.   247 pages with about 53/54 castle/palaces listed.  In English.

I'm not sure how many castle/palaces Wilhelm II built from scratch.  I suspect he placed sizeable sums of money into old places that needed repair.  I may be wrong on this so someone in the know will have to let us know the answer to your question.


AGRBear
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Eurohistory on October 26, 2004, 11:40:02 PM
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This is an expensive over sized book,  so,  see if you have it in your library.  It is called GERMAN CASTLES AND PALACES by Klaus Merten with photographs by Palo Manton.   247 pages with about 53/54 castle/palaces listed.  In English.

I'm not sure how many castle/palaces Wilhelm II built from scratch.  I suspect he placed sizeable sums of money into old places that needed repair.  I may be wrong on this so someone in the know will have to let us know the answer to your question.


AGRBear


Andy...that is a particularly beautiful book indeed!

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: AGRBear on October 28, 2004, 01:41:42 PM
Sans Souci
Copyrighted material.  Do not copy without permission.
Contact:  AGRBear

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/AGRBear/SanSouci1.jpg)
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Eurohistory on October 30, 2004, 10:28:39 AM
The first time I visited Potsadm in the 1980's the DDR was still in existence...Potsdam looked like a ghost town and Westerners stuck out like a sore thumb.

Then in 1989 all changed.  I went to Berlin as soon as my Fall Semester ended and yes chiselled at the Wall!

Change took a precipitous turn after that and money began pouring into Potsdam...and I must say that the end result is fantastic as the palaces seem to have regained a certain degree of life of their own.

I last visited Potsdam this past May when I went to the opening of the Crown Princess Cecilie exhibition at the Marmorpalais.  Babelsberg, Klein Glienicke, the Neues Palais, Charlottenhof, the Friedenkirche, Sans Souci and everything else in Potsdam is a wonderful treat for the royal watcher!

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on October 30, 2004, 12:36:51 PM
I too was in Potsdam in the mid 80s and the taupy-gray of all the buildings, ruins from the war, and totally faded glory of what wasn't in ruins was a sight to behold. It seemed a combination of sadness, ugliness, and withered beauty that was, in a strange way, romatically attractive. Europe before McDonald's for sure.

Arturo, going back to the original post, did Wilhelm II build or rebuild these palaces as suggested in the TV show? I thought not. I know he "remodeled" the grand entry hall in the Neues Palais with semi precious raw stone work.
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Eurohistory on October 30, 2004, 04:35:48 PM
I know W2 worked on the Neues Palais, while also changing the name back from Friedrichskron to Neues Palais, which his mother was none to happy about.

Also during the reign of W2 Burg Hohenzollern was worked on as well as Schloß Cadinen and a couple of other residences in Silesia and East Prussia were remodelled and/or restored.

I am afgraid, though, that I cannot give more information about this other than what I mentioned here since architecture, royal or not, is not really my forté.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Aliard on October 30, 2004, 11:54:07 PM
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In the "making of..." segment of the recent "The Lost Prince" TV movie, the documentarian said Wilhelm II "build the most sumptuous and elegant palaces in Europe". I have never known about such palaces. In Potsdam, the residences existed before Wilhelm came to power. The only new palace he built, I thought, was Ceceliehof for his son and wife. William did remodel some main rooms at Neues Palais but I was caught in a major surprise on the reference in the film. Any expert on this?


Well, it seemed to me like the filmaker sort of twisted many things to make certain figures out the way he wanted, and it's quite clear the Kaiser was hit the hardest. He and Alexandra came off quite horribly in that film, though I'm not so sure they deserved it.
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on November 20, 2004, 11:42:36 AM
Great photos and commentary! And the thought of a beer party with song is not irreverent at all; probably happened alot!
The ornateness seems wonderfully detailed. Was this palace considered among the most opulent of Europe/England? There is talk about rebuilding it, but the interiors could never be truly recreated.
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Robert_Hall on November 20, 2004, 11:44:17 AM
May I ask: what are those huge plates on the wall? I have seen pictures of the Winter Palace rooms with the same sort of plates. Are they battle tropgies ?
Best,
Robert
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Silja on November 20, 2004, 04:24:45 PM
The Stadtschloß is to be rebuilt (one day . . . ), but there's no intention of reconstructing the interiors, at least not to a great extent.

Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on November 24, 2004, 03:36:00 AM
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 Although the thought is perhaps irreverent, I keep having visions of cozy family evenings chez Hohenzollern, with everyone suddenly breaking out in a lusty, Prussian version of "Ninety-nine Gallons of Beer on the Wall".


OMG!  that's hysterical! :D
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: jfkhaos on July 06, 2005, 10:41:43 AM
Charlottenburg:
(http://fototrip.de/Deutschland/Berlin/Schlosser/Charlottenburg/charlottenburg.jpg)
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: jfkhaos on July 06, 2005, 10:44:51 AM
Neues Palais, Potsdam:
(http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Pic-Tour-BIG/Potsdam%5B1%5D.jpg)
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: jfkhaos on July 06, 2005, 10:48:17 AM
Marmorpalais:
(http://www.mariotreysse.de/wt02/mp.jpg)
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: jfkhaos on July 06, 2005, 10:52:27 AM
Hemmelmark:
(http://www.historismus.net/images/ihne/hemmelmark1930er.jpg)
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: bluetoria on July 06, 2005, 11:35:24 AM
These are lovely, thank you jfkhaos. I especially like Hemmelmark.
Do any pictures exist of Bornstedt?
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Rosamund on July 06, 2005, 11:36:08 AM
Does this site describe another Hohenzollern home?  I do not know any German, so I hope I have not made a mistake by linking it here.

http://www.aefl.de/ordld/AK-Cadinen071204/cadinen.index.htm
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: jfkhaos on July 06, 2005, 11:50:23 AM
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These are lovely, thank you jfkhaos. I especially like Hemmelmark.
Do any pictures exist of Bornstedt?



Hi Bluetoria!

There is actually a website for Bornstedt, which I have taken the liberty of adding for you here:

http://www.krongut-bornstedt.de/

Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II visited Bornstedt for a reception on her last state visit to Germany.  There are beautiful pictures here, and I am sure the information is great as well; I can't read German, and the link to view the pages in English doesn't seem to work for me.  Enjoy!

PS:  Congratulations on your book as well!  I can't wait to read it!
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: jfkhaos on July 06, 2005, 11:52:03 AM
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Does this site describe another Hohenzollern home?  I do not know any German, so I hope I have not made a mistake by linking it here.

http://www.aefl.de/ordld/AK-Cadinen071204/cadinen.index.htm



Hi Rosamund!

If I remember correctly, Cadinen was an imperial hunting lodge that was frequented by His Imperial Majesty Kaiser Wilhelm II, so, yes, the site you linked does discuss another German imperial home  ;D
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: jfkhaos on July 06, 2005, 11:57:59 AM
Cecilienhof:
(http://www.info-germany.de/Berlin-Brandenburg/Potsdam/Cecilienhf.jpg)
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: bluetoria on July 06, 2005, 01:00:50 PM
Thank you so much, jfkhaos, for the link & the rest!  :)
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Rosamund on July 06, 2005, 01:18:12 PM
When I have used a translator 'Schloss' becomes 'Lock'.  I would have expected the equivalent in English to be 'Castle'.  What was the origin of the word Schloss?  
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: jfkhaos on July 06, 2005, 02:02:14 PM
Blanche....

I'll do my best to give you the inhabitants of the residences I posted:

Schloss Friedrichshof:  Empress Frederick, and, after her death, her daughter Margarethe of Hesse Cassel and her family

Kronprinzenpalais:  Kaiser Frederick III and Kaiserin Victoria (later Empress Frederick) while Crown Prince and Princess

Charlottenburg:  Frederick III lived here during his brief reign, amongst other Hohenzollerns (I may need some help on else lived here)

Babelsberg:  Empress Frederick's parents-in-law, Prince Wilhelm and Princess Augusta (later King and Queen of Prussia and Emperor and Empress of Germany)

Neues Palais:  Frederick III and Victoria (I guess you can see who my favorites Hohenzollerns are)

Marmorpalais; Wilhelm II and Augusta Viktoria lived here for a time

Hemmelmark:  Prince Henry (second son of Frederick III and his wife Victoria) and Princess Irene (daughter of Louis IV of Hesse and by Rhine and Princess Alice of Great Britain and Ireland)

Cecilienhof:  Crown Princess Cecilie and Crown Prince Wilhelm (heirs of Wilhelm II)


As for the other pictures, Sans Souci was the residence of Frederick the Great.
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Rosamund on July 06, 2005, 03:57:39 PM
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It means both, lock and Castle  ;)


Thank you Thomas
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on July 06, 2005, 05:52:50 PM
The Stadt Schloss in Berlin, the main residence of the Kaisers when they came to the throne, was totally destroyed by the Communists in 1953. It had been severally damaged during WWII, but salvagable; nonetheless, the Russians leveled it in order to destroy any symbol of Prussian power.
Today, plans are nearly approved to rebuild the palace with exterior details as they had been originally planned and built. The inside will be a museum.
In its day, this palace was considered one of the, if not the, best example of baroque palaces in Europe. Its interior main staircase was the most grand, and the White Room was an unusual (for the time) decor of all white marble, alabaster, porcelain, and hints of gold.
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: TampaBay on July 07, 2005, 03:26:38 PM
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I'll start with my favorite Hohenzollern home, Schloss Friedrichshof:
(http://www.fbarnard.org.uk/Prussia/prussia2/friedrichshof%20rear.jpg)



Isn't this now a Hotel/Resort open to the paying public?

TampaBay
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: jfkhaos on July 07, 2005, 03:32:43 PM
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Isn't this now a Hotel/Resort open to the paying public?

TampaBay

Hi TampaBay!

Yes, Schloss Friedrichshof is now a luxury hotel.  There is a website for the Schloss with beautiful pictures, and you can request information which will contain at least one beautiful brochure with a short history of Empress Frederick and the house.  Here is the website:

http://www.schlosshotel-kronberg.de/en/
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: TampaBay on July 07, 2005, 08:41:38 PM
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Hi TampaBay!

Yes, Schloss Friedrichshof is now a luxury hotel.  There is a website for the Schloss with beautiful pictures, and you can request information which will contain at least one beautiful brochure with a short history of Empress Frederick and the house.  Here is the website:

http://www.schlosshotel-kronberg.de/en/


It is my hope and dream to visit and stay here for a week-let alone live here for 20 years.  However,if anyone deserved it, it was Princess Vicky ;) ;) ;) ;).

TampaBay
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: TJ Jones on July 07, 2005, 10:35:06 PM
I know they aren't the Hohenzollerns but, I would really like to see the palaces of the lesser royals. I always thought that the Bavarian palaces outshined those of the Imperial courts of Austria and Prussia.
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: NAAOTMA on July 08, 2005, 09:25:14 PM
Does anyone have a picture of the palace just outside of Danzig that belonged to a Catholic Prussian princess who would have been the right age to be an aunt to Wilhelm II? The house was destroyed in World War II. The palace park is now a public park. My grandmother's cousin had a picture post card from the 1920s of the palace, called OLIVA, which was somehow lost when she died. If anyone can help us with this, it will be someone on this website!!!!
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Tasha_R on July 08, 2005, 09:50:00 PM
In regards to Schloss meaning both lock and castle...

Schloss means castle.  "schlossen" is the verb "to lock".  If he were to lock a door it would be "Er schloss die Tur".

Sincere regards,
Tasha
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: AGRBear on July 09, 2005, 11:25:00 AM
More on the Friedrichshof [Kronberg Castle - Hotel] , Kronberg, Germany.

Find the following photo and others on my web site:
http://www.members.aol.com/brgldblue/AGRBearsSite/index.html

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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/AGRBear/Friederikshof/Indoor1.jpg)


After entering the front door of the castle, you turn to your left and this is the view of the room you will see.

And,  this is my first attempt of adding a photo to this forum.


AGRBear
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on July 09, 2005, 12:54:44 PM
NAATOMA's question about William's aunt's palace outside of Danzig needs attention, please. It must be the sister of Fritz; her home was lovely. It was destroyed just for the sake of destruction, but I have no pics, so please help, anyone.

I also think it was officially located in the Polish part of that area between wars. Who did she leave the home to in her will? Thanks!
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: TampaBay on July 11, 2005, 01:47:20 PM
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NAATOMA's question about William's aunt's palace outside of Danzig needs attention, please. It must be the sister of Fritz; her home was lovely. It was destroyed just for the sake of destruction, but I have no pics, so please help, anyone.

I also think it was officially located in the Polish part of that area between wars. Who did she leave the home to in her will? Thanks!


I thought Fritiz's sister (Louise?) married the Grand Duke of Baden?

TampaBay
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Marlene on July 11, 2005, 02:16:57 PM
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It is my hope and dream to visit and stay here for a week-let alone live here for 20 years.  However,if anyone deserved it, it was Princess Vicky ;) ;) ;) ;).

TampaBay



I stayed at the Schloss (and got a tour of private rooms) as the guest of Prince Moritz.   Awesome.  This was in 1984 or so
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Silja on July 12, 2005, 01:33:15 PM
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In regards to Schloss meaning both lock and castle...

Schloss means castle.  "schlossen" is the verb "to lock".  If he were to lock a door it would be "Er schloss die Tur".

Sincere regards,
Tasha


However, the verb is "schließen".

"To lock a door" would rather be translated as "eine Tür abschließen", or "zuschließen", or "verschließen".

"Er schloss die Tür" means "he closed the door".
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on September 20, 2005, 08:47:47 AM
Here is a nice picture of the Kaiser's throne room.

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/eurochief/berllinerschlossthroneroom.jpg)
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on September 20, 2005, 08:48:40 AM
The famous White Hall.

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/eurochief/berlinerschlosswhitehall.jpg)
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on September 20, 2005, 08:49:24 AM
color view of the White Hall.

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/eurochief/berlinerschlosswhitehall2.jpg)
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on September 20, 2005, 08:50:06 AM
The Tea Room.

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/eurochief/berlinerschlosstearoom.jpg)
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on September 20, 2005, 08:51:32 AM
the famous Red Velvet Room.

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/eurochief/berlinerschlossredvelvetroom.jpg)
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on September 20, 2005, 08:52:20 AM
the Knights Hall.

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/eurochief/berlinerschlossknightshall.jpg)
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on September 20, 2005, 08:53:25 AM
the famous Black Eagle Chamber.

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/eurochief/berlinerschlossblackeagleroom.jpg)
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on September 20, 2005, 08:54:10 AM
the art gallery.

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/eurochief/belrinerschlossartgallery.jpg)
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on September 20, 2005, 08:55:09 AM
the dining room.

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/eurochief/berlinerschlossdiningroom.jpg)
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on September 20, 2005, 08:55:52 AM
the Kaiser's chamberoom.

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/eurochief/berlinerschlosskingschambers.jpg)
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on September 20, 2005, 08:57:24 AM
the very famous and architecturally important Grand Staircase in white marble, gilded gold, and blue lapis.

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/eurochief/berlinerschlossstaircase2.jpg)
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on September 20, 2005, 09:09:24 AM
Herr Wettin, I hope you like these pictures of the Schloss. Indeed, a tragic loss of archtecture and art and grandeur. The building was very heavily damaged in  WWII and in 1953, the communists blew it up completely.

The current initiative to rebuilt it is stymied due to the asbestos disaster in the existing structure on the site that housed offices and admin operations of the former communist government in the DDR.
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Tasha_R on September 21, 2005, 06:35:21 PM
Herr Kaiser,

Where did you get these fabulous pictures?  They are wonderful!

Yours most sincerely,
Tasha
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on September 22, 2005, 10:52:09 AM
thanks Tasha_R. Yes, the sumptuousness of this palace was awesome. Architecturally, it was considered one of the, if not THE, most significant baroque palace in Europe. This, combined with the wonderful interior decoration, made it a real jewel. But lost forever! Few recall or remember it, but thankfully some nice pictures remain.

I got them from one of the websites that tracks the initiative to rebuild the palace. The idea is to at least rebuild the exterior to original detail and appearance, but do the inside as a more contemporary facility for public use, such as a museum.

I favor a complete rebuilding including the inside, much like was done in Dresden with the Frauenkirche, just completed after 60 years in rubble from WWII. This fabulous baroque/rococco cathedral is being dedicated in a few weeks on Reformation Sunday, Martin Luther Day.

Thanks!
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: AGRBear on July 30, 2006, 04:42:46 PM
See the offical gallery by Hohenzollerns about the palaces and castles.

http://www.preussen.de/en/history/gallery_of_palaces.html

Have you traveled to any of these places?

Do you have photographs?

Would you care to share your photographs?

Thanks.

AGRBear
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: AGRBear on July 30, 2006, 05:01:44 PM
Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen Castle

http://www.hohenzollern.de/en/index.html
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on May 04, 2007, 05:24:01 PM
Great news!

The rebuilding of the glorious Stadt Schloss has been approved this week by Berlin's mayor and the Federal Minister of Transportation. The funding will come mostly from government coffers, but private donations will be needed for the balance.

This is a great moment for lovers of architecture and history, young and old alike. The return of this very, very significant building will be an important part of the restoration of Berlin to its status as a major European capital. Final design work will be completed over the next two years, with construction beginning in 2010 and completion targeted for 2014.

The exterior is intended to be constructed with careful attention to the former exterior detail. The inside, however, will be designed to house, primarily, the vast art collection of non-European art that is currently in a suburb outside the city.

here is a photo of what the expected result will be.

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/eurochief/Newlyapproved.jpg)
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: bell_the_cat on May 06, 2007, 05:42:58 PM
Ironically, the First World War saved the Stadtschloss, at least temporarily. The last Kaiser was very keen to have the Schloss completely rebuilt in a more Wilhelmine style, but the war intervened. I've always thought that the dome, which dates from the 1890s was an unfortunate and bombastic addition.
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on May 07, 2007, 09:15:16 AM
were any plans ever produced for the complete renovation prior to WWI? the "wilhelmine" style is hard to describe because from what I've seen it is an assemblage of both classic elements as well as clean lines that led ultimately to the bauhaus style.
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: bell_the_cat on May 08, 2007, 05:47:41 PM
I would recommend " Berlin auf dem Wege zu einer neuen Architektur" by Julius Posener. Wilhelminismus is a vague term, but it corresponds to the taste of the emperor which vacillated between a kind of neo-baroque, and an english Arts and Crafts simplicity, depending on what mood he was in! And you are right this apparent contradiction resulted in the Bauhaus style! :o
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Lucien on August 06, 2007, 11:24:56 PM
Alphabetical listing of Palaces and gardens.

http://www.spsg.de/index_3280_en.html

Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on August 07, 2007, 12:05:39 PM
the collection of Hohenzollern palaces, homes, parks, estates, seems to be more diverse and intereting than other of the royal families with great holdings. Potsdam, for example, with it German, classical, Chinese, roman, english, italian, and russian structures is a museum of architecture alone. at their height of use and vitality, this royal court must have been wonderful.
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: dmitri on August 07, 2007, 02:21:13 PM
Yes there was splendour but nothing compared to that of the Russian Empire. The Kingdom of Prussia was quite drab by comparison and the 2nd German Empire didn't even have a Crown in existence. At least the Kingdom of Prussia had a crown. By comparison with the glittering Imperial Russian Crown it was fairly insignificant.
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on August 07, 2007, 02:28:52 PM
Not having a crown for the second empire was by purposeful design. Bismarck and william I as well as Fritz all wanted the newly formed German empire to be essentially what has come to be the latter 20th century european union. they envisioned a more commercial/capitalist and integrated empire than one with the trappings of classic monarchal dynasties. Bismarck specifically felt this approach would both engage the populous and help break down national barriers to trade, commerce, and political divisions.

I know it is true that the Russian royal infrastructure was far more widespread and grand, but it still seems less diverse with less variety of styles and treatments. Just an opinion.
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: dmitri on August 07, 2007, 09:40:32 PM
Bismarck, Wilehelm I and the later Friedrich III all had different opinions about the German Reich. For Bismarck it was a power grab through military means, Wilhelm I really didn't want to be German Emperor at all and Friedrich III had ideas about what it could have been. 
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Joanna on August 15, 2008, 11:01:05 AM
My apologies if posted but search did not reveal link. Berlin Stadtschloss historical photographs/plans c1935:

Plan:
http://www.berliner-stadtschloss.de/bilder/Grundriss%20Stadtschloss_r.jpg
Exteriors:
http://www.berliner-stadtschloss.de/bilder/Portal%201%20Stadtschloss%20Titelblatt_r.jpg
http://www.berliner-stadtschloss.de/bilder/SchlueterhofvonSWAbb%202_r.jpg

http://www.berliner-stadtschloss.de/raeume.html

Joanna
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Lucien on December 23, 2008, 12:04:52 AM
Alphabetical listing of Palaces and gardens.

http://www.spsg.de/index_3280_en.html



Frohe Weihnachten:

http://www.spsg.de/index.php?id=6643

http://www.spsg.de/index_6459_de.html
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on June 05, 2009, 11:18:08 PM
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Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on June 05, 2009, 11:23:53 PM
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Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: gleb on June 15, 2009, 10:11:47 AM
Thank you very much Brian!

Any idea where the two bathrooms were? I mean the blue and the pink ones.
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: perfecciona on June 15, 2009, 07:01:38 PM
Thank you for the photos and the floor plans; I hadn't seen floor plans of this palace before.

Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Madame-Sisi on July 19, 2009, 07:28:09 AM
my brother is living in berlin and in a week im going to potsdam and also 2 berlin..
but now i want to know does anyone know stories about hauntings in the palaces or other royal/imperial places in and around Berlin and Potsdam??

just curious hehe...
Title: Christmas market starts at Charlottenburg Palace
Post by: Lucien on November 17, 2009, 10:45:55 PM
The opening of the Christmas market will be on monday the 23rd,Charlottenburg Palace:

http://www.spsg.de/index.php?id=7632

Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Norbert on November 20, 2009, 02:46:40 AM
Yes there was splendour but nothing compared to that of the Russian Empire. The Kingdom of Prussia was quite drab by comparison and the 2nd German Empire didn't even have a Crown in existence. At least the Kingdom of Prussia had a crown. By comparison with the glittering Imperial Russian Crown it was fairly insignificant.

The German Imperial Crown is one of the most venerable and historic royal ornaments in Europe. The last Imperial coronation was at Frankfurt 14 July 1792 and looking at contemporary illustrations  this thousand year old ceremony was as magnificent as anything in Moscow . From 1871 there were repeated requests for its return from Vienna and its design was adopted for heraldic purposes by the 2nd German Empire. The crown is a magnificent work of art and is steeped in mystical symbolism and it's possession meant that the holder was the  rightful elected German King . In 1872 models were created for an Imperial crown which were displayed in the Schloss Monbijou but lost after 1945 However Berlin always hoped for the real thing which is why the Nazi government removed it to Nuremberg in 1938. Interesting to contemplate that Friedrich III seriously considered adopting the regnal numbering of the German Kings as Friedrich IV


 
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on November 21, 2009, 03:39:38 PM
Your points are correct, Norbert. And, the splendor of Prussian/German royal lifestyles being referred to as "...nothing in comparison to that of the Russian Empire" is subjectively very debateable.

While many of the Romanov palaces, for example, were more brightly painted on the exterior and had byzantine turets that many feel are exemplory of grandeur, surely the Potsdam palaces, the Stadt Schloss in Berlin, Charlottenburg, etc, are equal or more splendid that those of
Russia. True, the exteriors of most of the German palaces lacked color, but the baroque architecture of most and a the details of the designs make touring the regal haunts of Germany a far more lengthy and intriquing tour than those of Russia, France or England.
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Adagietto on November 23, 2009, 03:53:12 AM
There's an interesting series on the BBC at the moment about the history of Berlin; it showed film of the remains Schloss being blown up by the Communist authorities, who also banished the equestrian statue of old Fritz, but later brought him back again! Two Berliners were shown expressing oppposing views on whether the Schloss should be reconstructed. In fact, it would be nothing more than a facade, I can't really see the point in rebuilding it (since it wouldn't be rebuilt in any real sense). A bit about Schinkel, who is one of my favourite architects. I saw his theatre at Aachen recently, or at least the facade of it, which is all that survives.
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on November 23, 2009, 10:51:18 AM
The "rebuilding" of the Stadt Schloss has been bounced back and forth from approval to unapproval to rethinking, etc, for many years now. The post WWII dedicated effort to change the face of Germany in all aspects--architecture, social standards, business standards, politics, military, etc--has led to conflicts of opinion that painfully slow the wheels of progress.

The value of having the facade of the Stadt Schloss rebuilt is to re-enrich the character of the location for both historical and beautification reasons. The building was a jewel of baroque design and a worthy "museum" piece for all future generations to enjoy. Most of the average person sees of urban landscapes are the building exteriors; so what is on the inside has only very limited visibility for the masses. Hence, the exterior shell, reconstructed in original detail would be a good thing for Berlin and the world, imo. It would also integrate very nicely with the brand new, and reconstructed, museum island nearby.
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Adagietto on November 23, 2009, 05:28:25 PM
Thanks, that's interesting. I have no first-hand knowledge of Berlin so cannot imagine how the (possibly) reconstructed Schloss would fit into the city as it now is.
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on November 23, 2009, 06:51:11 PM
the area around the Stadt Schloss is generally very similar to former times. In fact, the schloss is the only major structure in the area of the eastern edge of Unter den Linden along the Spree that is no longer there. So, its reintroduction to the city scape would appear just fine. The fully redeveloped Lustgarten and museum island areas just north of the Schloss were opened the past summer and are spectacular, integrating the old designs along with some contemporary aspects.

Berlin, like many American cities and most of western Germany, is a hodge podge of architectural styles. The Germans had their towns blown up and the Americans simply tore down the old to make way for the new. New construction in post WWII periods world wide did not adher to much other than modernist ideas of simplicity and stark utilitarian spaces in glass and steel.

But, that is what many cities have to work with and architects are allegiant to their own particular styles and tastes. Compromise usually ends up with a funny mixture. That said, the restaurants and hotels inside are usually quite wonderful.
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on November 24, 2009, 11:31:50 AM
It should be noted, also, that the rebuilding mixture of classic/original and contemporary seems to be working in terms of visitors. From an American standpoint, the idea of Europe has traditionally been london, paris, rome.

In 2009, more visitors have come to Berlin than Rome. this is a noteable stat and exemplory of the semi-lifting of the anti-German bias in travel planning.
Title: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on March 27, 2010, 12:16:41 PM



I`d like to start a new topic on Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan ( in German - Königliches Residenzschloß). All the details of this palace were consulted with the emperor and he personally accepted many details.

The building of the palace started in 1905, 5 years later, 21.08.1910, wilhelm II was given keys to this palace during his visit to Poznan, called Posener Kaisertage. He visited Poznan again, in 1913, when they blessed the palace church.  the palace consisted of the two wings: the western one (with the private apartments) AND EASTERN WING ( with the representative rooms). Wilhelm`s rooms and private chapel were on the 1st floor. The second floor was for the heir to the throne. The most beautiful room was throne room made in the byzantine style.

representative wing of the palace

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the main entrance

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Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on March 27, 2010, 06:12:40 PM
a few more details about the palace:

585 rooms

25.127,10 m² - overall space

3 500 -weight of the imperial throne

in fact,i don`t know much about this palace but i`ll keep researching........



Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: Adagietto on March 28, 2010, 04:18:34 AM
585 rooms!! I would love what they were all used for. And why a palace in Pozen?
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on March 28, 2010, 05:19:35 AM
585 rooms!! I would love what they were all used for. And why a palace in Pozen?

i`ll tr to answer your questions but i`m in the process of resarch so i don`t know a ot.it`s something completely new to me. i`m panning to go there on holdays `cause i live in poland.
I believe these rooms were meant for different purposes e.g. private rooms like bedroms or rooms for diffrent cremonies. why posen? after the partition of poland this territory belonged to Prussia. It was a fortress initially (german: Festung Posen) built in the 19th century and at the beginning of the 20th century.it was the 3d biggest fortress in Europe.
plans to build a fortress here appeared as early as 1815 because posen was situated on the way to silesia, a very important region so the prussians decided to protect their communications..besides, it was through posen that the rusisians or poles , in case of war or any other emergency, could reach berlin. the first project appeared in 1817, but construction works started only in 1828. the first stage of the construction lasted 1828-1838, the second stage - 1840-1869.1865-1910 - a few improvements were made.

at the beginnig of the 20th century they did away with the fortress, and wilhelm II decided to turn posen, the former fortress,  into the residential city.in fact, architects created the whole Imperial District in Pose
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on March 28, 2010, 05:28:42 AM
fountain in front of the palace

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Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: Kalafrana on March 28, 2010, 06:01:10 AM
What is the building used for now?

Ann
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on March 28, 2010, 07:26:34 AM
What is the building used for now?

Ann

Since 2002 sculptures have been presented here as a part of sn international cultural festival. this year they are planning to have some festivities devoted to the 100th anniversary of the building.
in 1939 the palace became a residence of adolf hitler. the palace chapel was turned into his study where he recieved guests and worked.this study was the exact replika of his study in berlin. this room has been preserved and often serves as a film scene when they shoot movies here.

in fact,it was not just a single palac but the whole IMPERIAL DISTRICT
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: Adagietto on March 29, 2010, 06:47:09 AM
Thank you, this is all very interesting.
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: Michael HR on March 29, 2010, 06:57:47 AM
Any pictures of the throne room, sounds fab
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on March 29, 2010, 08:10:42 AM
Any pictures of the throne room, sounds fab

unfortunately,no pictures BUT i`m planning to go there in summer.i`ll definitely take pictures and post them here.

what is especially interesting is the fact that nowadays it`s a huge cultural centre in poznan with a few galleries, movie centre.it houses festivals and music concerts.
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on April 07, 2010, 04:18:25 AM
i`d like to say a few words about a so-called "imperial district" in poznan. apart from the palace the district contained:

Collegium Maius, now housing mainly Medical Academy. Since 208 In this builidng there is also the Classical and Polish language department of University of Poznan. In 1886 Otto Von Bismarck founded here a special institution which bought land from polish owners and later on handed these lands to german owners. (http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/Collaegium_Maius_Poznan_front.jpg)


the main hall of University of Posnan, built in 1905-1910. Nowadays, due to its excellent acoustics, it is also a place of various musical competitions.

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and opera theatre, ormerly also a theatre, the first performance took place in 1910

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/Opera_w_Poznaniu_latem.jpg)

Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on April 11, 2010, 11:14:09 AM

this entry on the blog mentions empress frederick and her daughters` visit to posen in 1888.


http://royalmusingsblogspotcom.blogspot.com/2010/04/bismarck-gives-up-opposition-to.html
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: HerrKaiser on April 12, 2010, 05:19:18 PM
that was one of Vicky's first official undertakings as Empress. She and her daughters gave aid to disaster victims rather than make gala social events their agendae.
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on April 16, 2010, 08:41:13 AM
facade of the palace (while it was cleaned and renovated) so i assume that nowadays it looks better

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/facadeofthepalace.jpg)
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: PAVLOV on June 07, 2010, 09:46:25 AM
May I ask please if anyone knows if the contents of any of these palaces was evacuated before the war, as was the case in Russia ? Or was everything just blown up ?

Also which of the palaces and castles are still owned by members of the family, and do they still live in any of them ?

Thank You
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on June 07, 2010, 01:40:35 PM
There were two wars that devastated the properties of the royal families--WWI and WWII. After WWI, the homes were generally in structureal soundness, but due to massive financial losses, many of the possessions were sold off to get cash.

During WWII, the buildings themselves were often the vicitims of air bombings, but by that time, the original furunishings were already removed or sold. There is a not a large collection of original furnishings still in museums and the palaces. Some exist, but losing two huge wars does not leave much behind.
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: PAVLOV on June 08, 2010, 06:46:35 AM
Yes of course one can understand that, a shame really that most of the contents was dispersed, and with it probably much of Germany's cultural heritage. In comparison I suppose that  Russia is a miracle, merely because they rebuilt so quickly and sent the contents of the palaces to Siberia. One thing a person must be grateful to the Soviets for.  Pity the Germans did not have the same foresight.

But I would still like to know if any of them own and live in any of the Palaces / Castles ?
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Learning on June 08, 2010, 08:23:27 AM
The Hohenzollern family owns two castles in what is now Baden-Wurttemburg: Schloss Hohenzollern and Schloss Sigmaringen. After the revolution the family was given the right to make limited use of Schloss Cecilienhoff in Potsdam and the Alte Schloss in Berlin. Such occupancy rights ended after the second world war. The palaces today are mainly museums or serve other public functions.

Some of the other German royal families did manage to keep their castles and still have them today.
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on June 08, 2010, 10:54:05 AM
Yes of course one can understand that, a shame really that most of the contents was dispersed, and with it probably much of Germany's cultural heritage. In comparison I suppose that  Russia is a miracle, merely because they rebuilt so quickly and sent the contents of the palaces to Siberia. One thing a person must be grateful to the Soviets for.  Pity the Germans did not have the same foresight.

But I would still like to know if any of them own and live in any of the Palaces / Castles ?

One must also remember that the Germans did not get into St Petersburg and Moscow, so the type of complete and utter destruction the allies levied on Germany was not the case in the two major locations where the treasures would have existed. Plus, the soviets did have places to hide the stuff. Germany ended up defenseless and fully invaded; any foresight, which did exists, was a mute point by 1945.
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Stefan22 on June 13, 2010, 03:14:38 AM
The Hohenzollern family owns two castles in what is now Baden-Wurttemburg: Schloss Hohenzollern and Schloss Sigmaringen. After the revolution the family was given the right to make limited use of Schloss Cecilienhoff in Potsdam and the Alte Schloss in Berlin. Such occupancy rights ended after the second world war. The palaces today are mainly museums or serve other public functions.

Some of the other German royal families did manage to keep their castles and still have them today.

Hohenzollern Castle ist owned by both the prussian Royal Family and the Princely Family of Hohenzollern. The Princely Family of Hohenzollern owns also Sigmaringen Castle, Umkirch Castle and a lot more.
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on August 01, 2010, 09:07:58 AM
I managed to find some pictures of the kaiser`s palace in Poznan.pictures were taken between ww1 and ww2

the hall devoted to Roman Emperors

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznan1.jpg)
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on August 01, 2010, 09:12:22 AM
some more rooms

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznan3.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznan4.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palacepoznan2.jpg)
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on August 01, 2010, 09:16:07 AM
throne room

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/throneroom.jpg)


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/throneroom2.jpg)
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on August 01, 2010, 09:19:17 AM

living room of wilhelm II

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/wilhelmssalon.jpg)


green living room

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/greensalon.jpg)
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: Robert_Hall on August 01, 2010, 10:15:38 AM
Violetta, do you know if this palace still exsists?
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on August 01, 2010, 10:25:13 AM
Violetta, do you know if this palace still exsists?

Robert, it DOES exist. On page 1 of this thread i posted modern pictures of the palace. in fact, in poznan there was the whole imperial district. i posted some info on page 1. this year they celebrate the 100th anniversary of the palace and plan some events. also, they issued a   
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on August 01, 2010, 10:45:43 AM
they also issued a set of postcards devoted to the 100th anniversary of the palace. and invite people on guided tours.there appeared a new documentary o the history of the palace. i have`t been there yet though i`m planning to. well, not every city is honored by havig an imperial residence there. i know too little about this residence but hopefully i`ll learn more as i`, so curipus
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: Robert_Hall on August 01, 2010, 11:14:57 AM
Violetta, thank you for the reply. My mistake, I should have read the entire thread. Amazing it survived all turmoil & destruction of 2 world wars.
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on August 01, 2010, 11:26:39 AM
Violetta, thank you for the reply. My mistake, I should have read the entire thread. Amazing it survived all turmoil & destruction of 2 world wars.




Don`t apologize Robert. I also sometimes start asking other forum members questions instead of reading the whole thread. Anyway, it seems that the palace didn`t suffer during world wars. one of the reasons for its being intact is the fact that the building housed hitler`s headquarters. so it was obviously taken care of  and protected.
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on September 10, 2010, 05:18:21 AM
entrance t the palace from the garden


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpozanfasadaodstronyogrodu.jpg)
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on September 10, 2010, 05:20:50 AM
dining room

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpozandiningroom.jpg)

reception room

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpozanreceptionroom.jpg)
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on September 10, 2010, 05:24:24 AM
(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpozanwejsciedokaplicy.jpg)


entrance to the palace chapel
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: HerrKaiser on September 10, 2010, 10:47:14 AM
The palace has a wonderful , early "castle" feel and motif and architecture. The rooms have a great sense of knighthood and Teutonic imagery. Thanks for the pictures!
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on September 10, 2010, 01:47:51 PM
some more pictures

i don
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on September 10, 2010, 02:02:26 PM
some more pictures

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznan9.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznan12.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznan16.jpg)
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on September 10, 2010, 02:18:43 PM
and more

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznan17.jpg)

an element of the throne room

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznan19throneroom2.jpg)
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on September 10, 2010, 02:33:09 PM
from outside

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznan5.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznan13.jpg)
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on September 10, 2010, 04:39:27 PM
The palace has a wonderful , early "castle" feel and motif and architecture. The rooms have a great sense of knighthood and Teutonic imagery. Thanks for the pictures!




I think it`s typically Teutonic. Very archetypal. this design is not incidental, it was to stress the power and centuries-old military traditions and achievements of the Hohenzollerns. It is not cosy or homely. It is to impress and intimidate
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: Robert_Hall on September 10, 2010, 04:52:28 PM
 No wonder Hitler liked the place! However, it looks interesting enough  to visit.
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: HerrKaiser on September 10, 2010, 06:20:57 PM
This style is definitely imposing, but I don't find it intimidatling per se. Many Churches have the same style--a neo classic somewhat Italianate look of heavy stone and archways. In fact, many college campuses have buidlings looking much the same. The strength it suggests woulld be attractive to most monarchs or dictators or elected officials who think they are dictators, so it might not be fair to the Hohenzollerns to label it particularly hitlerian, imho.
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: Robert_Hall on September 10, 2010, 06:32:33 PM
 I agree with you, HK, and  I by no means meant Hitler had anything to do with the design of the place.  Just that it fit his ego. After all, he considered himself  "successor" to the Hohenzollerns. 3rd Reich and all that nonsense. I am still taken aback that it survived the Soviet invasion and the subsequent  Communist rule in Poland. It does look remarkably intacct Especially when one  knows so much of Poland was left in ruins.
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on September 11, 2010, 06:57:27 AM
and some more


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznan7.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznan8.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznan10-hall.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznan11.jpg)
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: HerrKaiser on September 11, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
I agree with you, HK, and  I by no means meant Hitler had anything to do with the design of the place.  Just that it fit his ego. After all, he considered himself  "successor" to the Hohenzollerns. 3rd Reich and all that nonsense. I am still taken aback that it survived the Soviet invasion and the subsequent  Communist rule in Poland. It does look remarkably intacct Especially when one  knows so much of Poland was left in ruins.

Yes, I quite agree that it is amazing to have survived post-1945. Both the Poles and the Soviets embarked on a horrid policy of ethnic cleansing through the previously German states of east and west Prussia, Silesia, Pomerania, and Posen. During the "cleansing", structures that may have escaped the war were summarily blown up and bulldozed as were entire cemeteries, churches, homes, etc. So, that the Posen palace was allowed to remain is quite notable.
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on September 20, 2010, 01:17:36 PM
I agree with you, HK, and  I by no means meant Hitler had anything to do with the design of the place.  Just that it fit his ego. After all, he considered himself  "successor" to the Hohenzollerns. 3rd Reich and all that nonsense. I am still taken aback that it survived the Soviet invasion and the subsequent  Communist rule in Poland. It does look remarkably intacct Especially when one  knows so much of Poland was left in ruins.

Poznan was not destroyed during WW II. Of course, the city DID suffer some distruction but it was nothing compared to the ruins of Warsaw. The capital of Poland was completel destroyed as a result of the Warsaw uprisal that started 01.08.1944 and lasted 62 days. IMHO it was a completely unnecesary and risky undertaking because the uprisal was organized primarily by yoooung and inexperienced people who didn`t undergo military training and didn`t have enough weapons.  it was very selfless of them but the uprisal brought about so many victims and complete destruction of warsaw.the city simpy stopped existing due to incessant fight on the streets of warsaw. poznan didn`t witness such tragic events
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on September 20, 2010, 01:51:08 PM
and some more pictures from the national digital archives

wilhelm II`s throne

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznan19throneroom-1.jpg)


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznan21.jpg)


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznan22.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznan23.jpg)
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on September 20, 2010, 02:13:25 PM
the altar of the palace chapel

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznanaltari.jpg)


the boudoir of the princess (I guess, victoria louise`s?)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznanbuduarksiezniczki.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznanempresssroom.jpg)
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on September 22, 2010, 03:10:18 PM
the room of the empress

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznanempressroom.jpg)


 
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on September 22, 2010, 03:34:23 PM
the fountain

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznanfoutain06.jpg)

smoking room
(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznanpalarnia.jpg)
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on September 23, 2010, 03:13:33 PM
a study

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznanstudy.jpg)


a bedroom

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznansypialnia.jpg)


waiting room

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznanwaitingroom.jpg)
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on September 23, 2010, 03:24:55 PM
wilhelm`s desk

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznanwilhelmsdesk.jpg)


wilhelm`s armchair

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palaceinpoznankreslowilgelma.jpg)
Title: Re: Wilhelm II`s palace in Poznan (formerly known as Pozen) in Poland
Post by: violetta on September 23, 2010, 05:27:45 PM
a hall

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/palacepoznan2-1.jpg)

Title: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Lucien on October 19, 2010, 05:48:00 PM
With the Christmas season only a short while away,have your Christmas reception,dinner and / or party at one of the Palaces,
Glienicke,Sans Souci,Lindstedt,Grunewald or some of the others:

http://www.spsg.de/index.php?id=8629

 :)
Title: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Lucien on November 17, 2010, 02:27:56 AM
Weihnachtsmarkt at Charlottenburg Palace,Berlin:

http://www.spsg.de/index.php?id=9447

Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on November 17, 2010, 11:07:31 AM
If any travellers have not visited Germany during the holiday season and experienced the Christmas Markets, it is a highly recommended endeavor. There is something for everyone to enjoy. The locations are always palace grounds or Alt Stadt market squares. In some cases, in the smaller towns and villages, the Christmas markets engulf the entire town layout. Great food, entertainment, good drink, and plenty of comraderie during the build up to Christmas.
Title: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Lucien on December 21, 2010, 02:09:11 AM
The winter wonderland of Sans Souci at present:

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c648253ef0148c6ebb8dc970c-pi

courtesy HJA's Royalblog.
Title: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Lucien on December 21, 2010, 09:07:25 AM
The winter wonderland of Sans Souci at present:

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c648253ef0148c6ebb8dc970c-pi

courtesy HJA's Royalblog.

Seasons Greetings from the Neues Palais,Potsdam:

http://www.spsg.de/index.php?id=9593

Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Marc on October 10, 2012, 05:37:45 PM
This summer I went for some German language course in Goethe Institute in Berlin and had a chance to see many Palace and Castles in these two and a half weeks in Germany:

Charlottenburg, Sanssouci, Neues Palais (Friedrich der Grosse exibition), Glienicke,seen Babenhausen from outside, Cecilienhof, Schönhausen, Wörlitz, Oranienbaum, Mosigkau, Georgium, Köthen, Wernigerode, Arolsen, Wilhelmshohe, Hinter und Forderglauchau, Waldenburg, Rochsburg, Ludwigslust, Schwerin, Heidecksburg, Sondershausen, Obergriez, Untergreiz, Sommer Palais in Greiz, Eutin, Gottorf and Rossla.

I must say it was a wonderful experience! If one has any question about any of these Castles and Palaces, I'll be happy to answer...
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Svetabel on October 10, 2012, 11:47:44 PM
This summer I went for some German language course in Goethe Institute in Berlin and had a chance to see many Palace and Castles in these two and a half weeks in Germany:

Charlottenburg, Sanssouci, Neues Palais (Friedrich der Grosse exibition), Glienicke,seen Babenhausen from outside, Cecilienhof, Schönhausen, Wörlitz, Oranienbaum, Mosigkau, Georgium, Köthen, Wernigerode, Arolsen, Wilhelmshohe, Hinter und Forderglauchau, Waldenburg, Rochsburg, Ludwigslust, Schwerin, Heidecksburg, Sondershausen, Obergriez, Untergreiz, Sommer Palais in Greiz, Eutin, Gottorf and Rossla.

I must say it was a wonderful experience! If one has any question about any of these Castles and Palaces, I'll be happy to answer...

That's really an experience! I'd love to know more on Glienicke, once a home of Pr.Friedrich Leopold of Prussia - what's it like now? Any photos? ))
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Marc on October 11, 2012, 04:48:58 AM
That's really an experience! I'd love to know more on Glienicke, once a home of Pr.Friedrich Leopold of Prussia - what's it like now? Any photos? ))

Unfortunately,due to wars Glienicke was for a long time an empty Palace or a palace with no living purpose.It was once even used as a Casino and during the time of Red Army,one of the rooms in the first floor was a stable for horses and the guide showed us the renovated floor which still holds some traces of the horses hooves...Exteriors are just magnificent as they are kept original with all the antiques Prince Carl brought with him from around the world and gave to be incorporated into an inner facade.Interiors,unlike exteriors,are not original.Once it became a museum,interiors started to fill by Prussian Stiftung,as the family fled before with most of what was in it...As you said,the last Prince to live in the very Palace there was Friedrich Leopold senior,but as he was the one who fled and took everything with him to Italy ,the least in interior was connected to him :-( His son Friedrich Leopold younger came to live at the estate at one point,not in the very Palace,but in the Cavalry House which stands near by.Today,the rooms and interiors are mainly connected to Prince Carl and Princess Marie Louise with a dash of Prince Karl von Hardenberg who was previous owner...

However,everything connected to the Schloss is very unique and the story is so very well packed by the Palace guide who makes everything easier to know and understand in one hour that the tour lasts.It is an interesting story about the lives of three Prussian brothers who lived all near by as their father King Friedrich Wilhelm III gave them estates one next to each other.King Friedrich Wilhelm IV lived in Neues Palais in Potsdam,Prince Wilhelm(future Emperor) lived in Babelsberg and opposite to him,across the lake Prince Carl who owned Glienicke.

While Friedrich Wilhelm IV was a ruler and to busy to be bothered,there was a tension between the families of Prince Wilhelm and Prince Carl who lived near by,or should I say between two sisters Marie Luise and Augusta...

Both Marie Luise and Augusta were brought very formal and with very strict etiquette by their mother Grand Duchess Marie von Sachsen-Weimar.They had to know almost everything,from knitting to painting,music,geography,history etc.The elder one Marie Luise was considered to be more beautiful,more educated and therefore was called "the pearl of Weimar".With such qualities she was expected,by her mother,to marry some King or an Emperor at least.But,Prince Carl,a younger son of the King fell in love and it was with great difficulty that he tried to persuade her to give her daughter Marie Luise to him.She loved him too...

But,as soon as younger Augusta married his elder brother Wilhelm,the problems started.They lived close by,and now she was the one who took precedence in family gatherings and it was a great blow to Marie Luise who,as the guide said,almost hated her sister afterwards...She,who was the elder,more bright,beautiful and intellectual thought that her sister was less deserving of such an honor...Therefore she often avoided those gatherings often choosing to ride or to stay alone in her palace.

The other thing that bothered Marie Luise is that she was very fond of her husband,but as he was away traveling for most of his time,she was often left alone on her own.She coped very well with it as she was brought to be very stiff and formal and most of the time she spent her life in Glienicke devoted to the education of her children...

In the Schloss Glienicke,one could see many portraits of Princess Marie Luise,Prince Carl,his favorite sister Princess Luise,his daughter in law Princess Marianne,King Friedrich Wilhelm III,Queen Luise etc.Most of them are in the red room or red Salon which was the also an audience room in the central part of the second floor.There is also a room with painted china and porcelain which describes all the travels of Prince Carl which I found to be very interesting...

The park outside the Schloss is just so green,beautiful and it looks directly into the Potsdame Lake...as is the Lion fountain which stands in front of the main entrance!

Here are few pictures I took:

Portikus,which was a House used for Ladies in waiting:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/IMG_3593.jpg)

Inner garden or an inside yard where one could see antique heads between the windows incorporated into the walls:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/IMG_3599.jpg)

Inside 1:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/IMG_3610.jpg)

Inside 2 with portraits of Marie Luise riding and Queen Luise on the right:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/IMG_3611.jpg)

Palace from the main entrance:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/IMG_3612.jpg)

Lion fountain:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/IMG_3613.jpg)

Park 1:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/IMG_3617.jpg)

Park 2:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/IMG_3618.jpg)

View from Glienicke Bridge to Schloss Babelsberg across the Lake:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/IMG_3620.jpg)

And this same image zoomed in,which I find to be great:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/IMG_3621.jpg)


Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Svetabel on October 11, 2012, 09:20:06 AM
Thanks so much, Marc, for the story about Glienecke! The photos are wonderful. I thought there was a Casino in the Palace (till now) but now I see they opened it for the public. But what the Palace is now? Public Museum or Private property?
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Marc on October 11, 2012, 10:06:38 AM
Thanks so much, Marc, for the story about Glienecke! The photos are wonderful. I thought there was a Casino in the Palace (till now) but now I see they opened it for the public. But what the Palace is now? Public Museum or Private property?

Today the Casino belongs to the estate and is the walking distance from the Palace,but it's not in the very Palace,it's in the Park and next to the Lake,while the Palace is in the middle...It's placed in the Portikus,former House for ladies in waiting,also known as Klein-Glienicke!

But based on the story of the tour-guide at that time there was another Casino which was not even on the ground of the estate,but across the Lake to which people from Glienicke could go by boat!

As far as I know the the Schloss today belongs to "Stiftung Preußische Schlösser und Gärten Berlin-Brandenburg",as well as Babelsberg,which is closed due to renovation until 2016 and only the Park around the Castle can be visited!It is said that the Stiftung invested a lot of money for Babelsberg renovation for everything to be as it was once before and is bringing a lot of related objects back from various Palaces placed around Germany!

That is similar situation like in the Castle Mosigkau and some other Castles...When the Red Army came they didn't destroy interiors from some of the Castles,but just transmitted big part of Castle interiors to Dresden in Saxony and only in recent years some related objects were back to the place they belonged as well as even some which are not at all related...And today they can be seen in Castles also...But,sometimes the guides have problems with those kind of objects-don't know anything about them as they are cataloged,but not even identified,so one could see them,but not know anything about them!
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Joanna on October 10, 2017, 10:19:39 AM
Behind the Hidden Doors in the Neues Palais, Potsdam Germany

http://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.ca/2017/10/nicholas-iis-bathroom-in-potsdam.html

Joanna
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: gleb on November 01, 2017, 04:06:20 AM
Behind the Hidden Doors in the Neues Palais, Potsdam Germany

http://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.ca/2017/10/nicholas-iis-bathroom-in-potsdam.html

Joanna

Really fascinating! Thanks for posting it.
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Joanna on April 09, 2018, 04:10:29 PM
Rare c1870 photographs and interiors of the Crown Princess Vicky's palaces in Berlin & Potsdam

Empress Alexandra was born in Schloss Charlottenburg in 1798. Her children and grandchildren would visit her brother Emperor Wilhelm I in the Altes Palais in Berlin.

https://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.ca/2018/04/crown-princess-vickys-berlin-potsdam.html

Joanna
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Kalafrana on April 10, 2018, 04:57:59 AM
According to the guided tours in Potsdam, Alexandra's husband Nicholas I provided her brother Friedrich Wilhelm IV with materials for his building projects.

Ann
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: HerrKaiser on July 02, 2018, 10:08:01 AM
According to the guided tours in Potsdam, Alexandra's husband Nicholas I provided her brother Friedrich Wilhelm IV with materials for his building projects.

Ann

It was actually Charlotte of Prussia, and later Empress of Russia, who was the wife of Nicholas I. Her brother was King Friedrich Wilhelm IV. Another brother was Wilhelm I, German Kaiser.
Title: Re: German Royal Palaces, Castles and Homes
Post by: Превед on July 12, 2018, 07:37:22 AM
According to the guided tours in Potsdam, Alexandra's husband Nicholas I provided her brother Friedrich Wilhelm IV with materials for his building projects.

Ann

It was actually Charlotte of Prussia, and later Empress of Russia, who was the wife of Nicholas I. Her brother was King Friedrich Wilhelm IV. Another brother was Wilhelm I, German Kaiser.

Prinzessin Friederike Luise Charlotte Wilhelmine von Preußen became императрица Александра Фёдоровна Всероссийская.