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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Tatiana Nicholaievna => Topic started by: matushka on January 16, 2007, 04:00:44 PM

Title: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: matushka on January 16, 2007, 04:00:44 PM
Reading Chebotareva’s diary I met for the first time the initial “K”, for a young officer who had a special relationship with Tatiana Nikolaevna. She was evidently in love and their little romance was extremely disagreeable to Valentina Ivanovna and Princess Gedroits. The first gave of him a very negative appreciation (I will provide those extracts for those of us who did not read the diary). But she did not gave any name nor indication of rang and regiment. Reading Tatiana’s diary and letters extracts I found that her beloved officer was a young “streets” (I do not know the English word) of the 3rd Regiment his Imperial Majesty called Vladimir (Volodia) Kiknadze. Kiknadze – a Georgian, at least Caucasian family name – was wounded 2 times, in the second part of 1915 and in autumn 1916. Each time he stayed a while at Her Imperial Majesty’s own Lazaret and then was sent to the Crimea. He arrived the first time approximately in summer 1915.
I provide this time Tatiana’s diary entries about him. We will meet an other favorite of the Imperial sisters of mercy, Shakh-Bagov, with whom Tatiana had a good friendship. Next time I will provide Chebotareva’s diary entries witch are much more interesting and detailed, as usual.


23.10.1915
Then I sat with Shakh-Bagov and we played. Then I played ping-pong (little tennis) with Volodia. Then with him, Opochkovitch and Gubarev we played (a card game).

25.10
In the morning we were at the Liturgy. Volodia was there, Mitia and others. I was terribly happy to see them.

26.10
Then I played with Volodia, then sat with him in the corridor. Mitia was also there. They were very sweet. (…) We had dinner together. Then I spoke with Mitia and Volodia by telefon. Such dears!

30.10.1915
Sat with Volodia. Mitia was some time. Then Olga came. V. is so sweet. (…) After dinner I talked to Volodia and a little bit to Mitia.

16.11.
I sat with Volodia and Mitia. Then Olga came. From 12 hours I played the piano with Volodia. Sat together. It was very pleasant. (…) After dinner I talked to M.

From a letter to her father 16.11
Three days before… we had tea at Ania and 2 new wounded were invited. The erivanets Shakh-Bagov and your strelok of the 3rd Regiment Kiknadze and also the big Rita Hitrovo. We spent time very pleasant and comfortable.

18.11
Sat with Volodia. Very sweet. Mitia was with Olga near us. (…) I talked to V. this evening.

19.11
Then I sat with Volodia. Mitia was there. (…) I talked with Volodia.

21.12
Sat a little bit with Volodia. Sister Grekova made me an injection. Then I sat with dear Volodia and we made together a puzzle. It was very good. (…) We met Volodia and his sister Lika (Elizabeth). I was very happy to meet.

23.12
Sat with Volodia. (…) Volodia is terribly sweet. (…) At 8.45pm we went with Mama to the lazaret. I was with some of people. With Mitia, Rita. It was good, but very, very sad without dear Volodia.

24.12
Then I sat with Volodia. (…) So sad that I could not spend more time at the lazaret. (…) We went to the Vigils. Mitia was there. Had dinner with Papa and Mama. Talked with Mitia.

25.12
In the morning we all went to the church. Mitia and Volodia were there. I was very happy to see them. (…) At 6 o’clock pm we went to the lazaret. We gave all our presents. Then we all sat… I sat a little bit with Mitia. Then with Volodia. I was terribly happy. We had such a pleasant conversation.

From Olga’s diary
28.12
Malygin dear, his mother and sister are leaving to Eupatoria, Volodia too.

16.09.1916
Early this morning arrived Kiknadze with a wound on his back (spina).

Unfortunately the authors of “Sisters of mercy” did not provide any Tatiana’s diary entries for the short period Volodia was there. We meet him in Olga’s or Maria’s diaries. Here are some examples.

From Maria’s diary
30.09
The 4 of us were at the sister’s lazaret. I made a puzzle with Volodia.

From Olga’s diary
18.10
I sat with Mitia on the bed of the Montenegrian, and Tatiana on Pokrovsky’s bed with Volodia.

Tatiana’s diary
22.10.1916
I sat with Volodia in the corridor. Then we played with Volodia, Petrov and lieutenant Girs. (…) Then I said good buy to Volodia. It was so sad. He is leaving us with 8 others. They go to the Crimea.

It was probably the last time she saw him.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Janet_W. on January 17, 2007, 06:36:19 PM
Thanks as always, Matushka, for sharing information with us re: this portion of the "big pair's" lives!
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: reashka on January 18, 2007, 05:39:04 AM
Thank you so much Matushka! I always thought it was only Dmitri Malama who have been involved romantically (if that's what it's called :P) to Tatiana. Is there, by any chance, Kiknadze having a photo together with TN just like a couple of pictures of her with Malama? Hope to see more informations/diary entries. You did very well!
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: matushka on January 18, 2007, 03:58:56 PM
Thanks! More information will be soon! I am sure there are tones of pictures, but I was not yet abble to find who is Volodia on those photos I know. As for Malama, see the Tatiana and Malama's thread, you will see a picture of them together.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: matushka on January 19, 2007, 03:47:21 PM
I risk a translation of Chebotareva's diary entries about our thema. If someone will have time to do better later, I will be grateful! Just as an introduction!

4.12.1915
What's for a drama had Olga Nikolaevna? Why is she so thin, so white? Loves Shakh-Bagov? Yes, a little bit, not it is not so serious. In general, the atmosphere is at the moment not very quite. As soon as she finishes her work, Tatiana Nikolaevna goes doing the injection and them they sit both with K. The last sit at the piano and, playing something with one finger, talks endless, a lot with our sweet girl. Varvara Afanassevna looks at it with horror and said that if Narishkina, madam Zizi, would see these scenes, she would certainly die. Shakh-Bagov has temperature, he is lying. Olga Nikolaevna sit all the time on his bed. The other pair came to them, they all sat on this bed yesterday and looked at albums. K. is doing his best. The sweet face of Tatiana Nikolaevna hide nothing, she is rose, exited. But it is not good, all these attouchements. I think it is horrible. The others are actually jealous and I can imagine what they say in the town. Vera Ignatevna will send K. to Eupatoria, thanks to God. Let us keep them far from sin. Vera Ignatevna said me she heard that Shakh-Bagov, when he was drunk show someone ON's letters. The poor children!
(...)
27.11 (...) at 9pm came ON and TN to clean the instruments. K. once more sat near Tatiana Nikolaevna on the stairs. The children were in a good mood, exited.
(...) The empress gave an order, K. can stay as a sanitar.
26.12
24 they succeeded in coming to us, with the secret idea to see K! We decided to send to Eupatoria the 18. He allowed himself some incredibles things, somewhere he talked about his victory. People make gossip, they see how he takes her endless far from the others, playing something on the piano and endless talking something in low voice with mysterious expression. Vera Ignatevna is totally angry.
22 on the evening both of them, Shakh-BAgov and K. were invited by Anna Alexandrovna, there was also the Empress. She decided that K. can stay until the end of the fests. They are today out, out of the lazaret. What will be?

15.02.1916
Tatiana Nikolaevna asked what related O. who just came back from Eupatoria.She evidently waited hearing something about K. "They all go for only 6 weeks", she asks. I heard that K. will be back those days.

5.03
The 3rd of March the Emperor came back to the army. They (ON and TN) came very early, and had to go to say good buy at 12 o'clock. The day before were, evidently, others plans. K. was sure that they will come back after the train. At 12.00 they phoned, called Rita, and then, of course, K. I was in road (...) and saw (...) K. On the left I heard the sound of their car and saw their pretty faces. I could not understand how did they could go out at that time. They had the permission to go to the cemetery. "We had such a desire to see K. , we came by car to the door of the lazaret and then went to the cemetery.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Sarushka on February 05, 2007, 08:25:39 AM
Thanks! More information will be soon! I am sure there are tones of pictures, but I was not yet abble to find who is Volodia on those photos I know. As for Malama, see the Tatiana and Malama's thread, you will see a picture of them together.
Two photos of Malama:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Nursing/th_tatianamalama.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Nursing/tatianamalama.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Nursing/th_malamadimitri5if.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Nursing/malamadimitri5if.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Sarushka on February 05, 2007, 08:35:08 AM
Here's a photo from the lazaret, labeled in Tatiana's writing. Perhaps it will give us some clues:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Nursing/nursing7.jpg)

Unfortunately, I'm terrible at reading Tatiana's handwriting! :-[
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: matushka on February 06, 2007, 03:08:03 PM
Sarushka, you are wonderful! I did not know this picture with Tatiana's handwritting and it is quite important for our question! I think I can see Kiknadze' name! The last line, the second one, if I do not make a mistake. The first name of all it Syroboyarski, this officier with whom they will have a correspondance even after the revolution. I will study the picture when I will have time! I am very greatful. I don't see Shakh-Bagov's name. Could that be a picture of autumn 1916?
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: matushka on February 06, 2007, 03:24:48 PM
No, that was my mistake. I could at the moment (but will work more) read the folowing names
1st line: Syroboyarsky and Pavlov (the fourth name)
2nd line:Pokrovsky, Vinogradov, bar. (baron) Taube
3rd line: Nikiforov (the one I took for Kiknadze without zoom :D)
The last line at the bottom is for me totally unreadable.
The picture is indeed of 1916, at that time Pavlov, Syroboyarsky and baron Taube were at the lazaret.
We will carry on!
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Janet_W. on February 07, 2007, 01:14:27 PM
Sarushka and Matushka, I applaud you both on your excellent collaboration and sleuthing!  :D
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Sarushka on February 07, 2007, 10:16:35 PM
I wish I could do more! Matushka has transcribed so much information that I still haven't found time to translate.  :(
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Rodney_G. on May 01, 2007, 06:46:43 PM


  Sarushka and Matushka,

  Che due brave traduttrici!

 Rodney

 ;) ;)
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Lalee on May 18, 2008, 03:09:55 AM
Recently having started writing about Tatiana Nikolaevna, I’ve actually been keen to know about the wounded soldiers Tatiana cared for as a nurse. It’s interesting that in Tatiana’s diary entries, when she mentions Volodia, she also always mentions Mitia (another wounded soldier whom Olga had fallen in love with). It seems that Tatiana and her elder sister Olga enjoyed making the acquaintance of the soldiers and spending time with them. What I am actually wondering, was Tatiana in love with Vladimir (who is also known as “Volodia”)? For some reason I get the impression that he was simply just a friend. Olga also seems to have been fond of him, too. I’ve always heard of Tatiana to be in love with Dmitri Malama during the war years and having adored the French bulldog he gave to her named Ortino.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: I am_Tatianochka on May 18, 2008, 11:55:27 AM
I think she was more in love with Malama then with Vladimir...my opinion.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Lalee on May 19, 2008, 02:12:22 AM
Perhaps. I think that perhaps she and her sister Olga were only just fond of Volodia. Valentina Chebotareva noted how the girls would make excuses just to come to the hospital and see him.

I'm only confused of what times Tatiana saw Dmitri Malama and when she saw Volodia.

I am currently writing about Tatiana, so I'm hoping to have all the information I need to write about her, that's all.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: matushka on May 19, 2008, 09:58:16 AM
Malama was in her hospital until december 1914, then he came back to war. Tatiana saw him another time in 1916 (see Alexandra's letter).
Kiknadze was in 1915 and 1916 (for exact datation, see the diary entries in that thread).
Was she in love... Well, I was not Tatiana's confident...! In a letter of the end of 1914, Olga Alexandrovna (their aunt) joke about Tatiana's tender feeling for Malama. Alexandra herself told he would have been a good son for her if...
About Volodia Kiknadze, I do not know exactly. Diary entries and Chebotareva's account show she evidently was very fond of him, they spent a lot of time together and it was an occasion of gossip in the lazaret. Volodia and Mitia were specially distinguished when Anna Vyrubova invited them for a party.
Perhaps Helen A or Reagan, who read the GD's diary entirely, if I am not wrong, could tell us more (if they have the right, I do not know).
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Antie on May 19, 2008, 01:58:58 PM
I am currently writing about Tatiana, so I'm hoping to have all the information I need to write about her, that's all.

I'd love to read what you have when you're done with that!
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: I am_Tatianochka on May 19, 2008, 02:36:51 PM
I am currently writing about Tatiana, so I'm hoping to have all the information I need to write about her, that's all.

I'd love to read what you have when you're done with that!

Me too!
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Lalee on May 20, 2008, 01:13:24 AM
Thank you matushka for your helpfulness.

I actually became a little curious about Dmitri Malama. I haven't read anything from Tatiana talking about him, except when in her diary she said that she was very happy with the puppy he gave her, and when Alexandra wrote letters to Nicholas mentioning if he visited and how he would have been a wonderful son-in-law.

I am currently writing about Tatiana, so I'm hoping to have all the information I need to write about her, that's all.

I'd love to read what you have when you're done with that!

Me too!

I'm sure you will read it one day. ;)
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: matushka on May 20, 2008, 03:29:27 AM
Quotation from Olga Alexandrovna's letter. It is not so suggestive, she is only joking. "Tatiana, wich Ulhan gave you the little dog? Olga wrote you are sitting in his bed. Sounds very interesting" (in russian: ochen zaniatno, I don't know the exact translation).
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Lalee on May 20, 2008, 04:10:00 AM
Oh, thank you. Are there any quotes from Tatiana's diary?
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Sarushka on May 20, 2008, 08:11:40 AM
Quotation from Olga Alexandrovna's letter. It is not so suggestive, she is only joking. "Tatiana, wich Ulhan gave you the little dog? Olga wrote you are sitting in his bed. Sounds very interesting" (in russian: ochen zaniatno, I don't know the exact translation).

Perhaps "amusing" or "entertaining"?
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: nena on May 20, 2008, 09:44:37 AM
очень занятой I think it translates as very funny
I hope me and Sarushka helped.  :)
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: matushka on May 20, 2008, 01:25:37 PM
Entertaining is certainly the right word! Thank you!!
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: nena on May 20, 2008, 03:55:30 PM
Yes, matushka, you're right. So well done!  :)
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Lalee on May 21, 2008, 07:23:44 PM
Going slightly off topic, are there any records of what happened to Olga's Mitia?
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: matushka on May 22, 2008, 07:26:24 AM
Unfortunetly no (in my knowneldge). I am planning to send a request at the RVGIA in Moscow (russian military state archives), but it is quite expensive when you are not doing yourself the research (almost 200-300 euros) and I do not know when I will be abble to allow me that. I am working on!
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Lalee on May 28, 2008, 11:09:17 PM
It's a shame that it is so expensive. I do hope somehow we'll find out what happened to Olga's Mitia, as already has been done with Tatiana's Dmitri.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Ally Kumari on May 29, 2008, 12:59:58 AM
Well, I was also hoping we would know who exactly was Nikolai Demenkov and what was his fate.... But I don´t think we´ll ever know....
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Lalee on May 29, 2008, 04:44:11 AM
Oh, yes. I believe Nikolai Dmitrievich Demenkov was an officer at the Tsar's headquarters in Mogilev. I don't know anything more about him, and it seems that there aren't records to find out what happened to these young men, except for Dmitri Yakovlech Malama, who outlived Tatiana and her family by a year, and was sadly killed while commanding a unit of the White Russians fighting in the civil war against the Bolsheviks in Ukraine.

This sometimes makes me wonder sadly who the Grand Duchesses would have married if they remained alive..
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Ally Kumari on May 29, 2008, 04:55:03 AM
Well I have heard that Demenkov also joined the White army - but I don´t know what happened to him.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Lalee on May 29, 2008, 05:43:44 AM
Hmm, I think you may have been right earlier Ally. We may never know what happened to these officers.

Luckily, kind and generous Matushka is doing her best to find out more. Thank you very much for your useful contributions, Matushka!

I have done my best on searching, but I couldn't find any diary entries of Tatiana mentioning Dmitri, except when she received her puppy from him. But thanks to Matushka, we have been provided with a number of diary entries where Tatiana talks about Volodia. IMO, she was very fond of him (as well as Mitia), but I cannot be certain that she was actually in love with him.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: I am_Tatianochka on April 30, 2009, 10:09:33 PM
When did ''Volodia'' die?
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Grand Duchess Ferah on May 02, 2009, 09:24:23 AM
As far as I know,  that isn't known.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on December 14, 2009, 09:09:06 PM
My friends, here is Vladimir Kiknadze.
God bless my knowledge about Russian military uniform.
Here are his photos in a military uniform and as a nurse.
Vladimir was an officer of HIS MAJESTY (you can see a sign on his epaulets) 3rd Guards Rifle Regiment. You also can see a collar nurse under his military uniform.
And after his recovery he served (by Chebotareva) at the same time as a nurse.
Later I will find more information about him.

(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/9289/kikx.jpg) (http://img192.imageshack.us/i/kikx.jpg/) (http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/kikx.jpg/1/w572.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img192/kikx.jpg/1/)
(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/26/kik3.jpg) (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/kik3.jpg/) (http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/kik3.jpg/1/w700.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img200/kik3.jpg/1/)
(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/1913/kik4.jpg) (http://img192.imageshack.us/i/kik4.jpg/) (http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/kik4.jpg/1/w594.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img192/kik4.jpg/1/)
(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/3027/kik1.jpg) (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/kik1.jpg/)
(http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/7967/kik2.jpg) (http://img109.imageshack.us/i/kik2.jpg/) (http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/kik2.jpg/1/w506.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img109/kik2.jpg/1/)

*Sarushka, I've done my promise to you.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Sarushka on December 14, 2009, 10:12:03 PM
*Sarushka, I've done my promise to you.

Indeed you have -- and so quickly, too! Болшой спасибо!
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Olga Maria on December 15, 2009, 03:40:11 AM
So this is the Vladimir Kiknadze who the elder nurses hate to see to be with Tatiana. Thank you so much, Nicola! He even had a lot of pictures in Vyrubova’s albums!

Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Kalafrana on December 15, 2009, 04:12:07 AM
I wonder why the elder nurses were so disapproving. After all, Vladimir Kiknadze was an officer in a good regiment, and twice wounded.

Perhaps they simply thought that Olga and Tatiana were getting too fond of the patients.

Ann
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Olga Maria on December 15, 2009, 05:20:39 AM
Perhaps the elder nurses thought that very beautiful Grand Duchesses are not for ordinary soldiers. 
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Kalafrana on December 15, 2009, 06:03:37 AM
And that the Grand Duchesses were not behaving in a suitably dignified fashion befitting Grand Duchesses.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Ally Kumari on December 15, 2009, 06:44:29 AM
According to Wikipedia
 "Chebotareva felt the flirtations between the grand duchesses and the wounded officers could cause gossip and damage the girls' reputations."
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: nena on December 15, 2009, 08:09:17 AM
Thank you a lot, Nicola, your skills are remarkable. I have also some questions about all those men that accompanied IF (Can't remember right now). I think that Nicola should open a new thread in 'Servants and Friends' section, under name 'Photo identifications of persons surrounded Imperial Family' , in that he would copy/quote all information about Sednev, Malama, Kiknadze and so on. All in one place. Anyone?
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on December 15, 2009, 10:01:44 AM
Thank you Nena, Shandy and others.. About new thread (indentification, questions/answers) - good idea. If someone will open it, I would join it with a big pleasure.

Shandy and Kalafrana, you both are a little bit wrong and are confusing all our dear forum members. He was not just an "ordinary soldier". He was an a officer (not lower than a Lieutenant, according to the photo) and served in the Guard's, and moreover in His Majesty (that means that Nicholas could personally be familiar with the officers of his regiment, including Kiknadze) 3rd Rifle Regiment (Saint Petersburg dislocation). Only nobility and aristocracy at that time could serve in the Guard, especially in His Majesty's Regiment. So, it means that Tatiana's favourite was a very intelligent, educated and brave officer of one of the best Infantry and Rifle Regiments of the Russian Empire with a great 200-years History. As I know, Russia at that time had only a dozen of His Majesty's (named by the Nicholas II and patronized by him) regiments in all the Armed Forces (including Cavalry, Infantry, etc.).

 I also think, that Nicholas II and Alexandra Feodorovna were both well aware of their daughters flirtations. That's why Nicholas II appointed Demenkov (earlier he was a Naval officer) in His Majesty's Infantry United Regiment, closer to Maria (good father!). And especially that's why Alexandra Feodorovna allowed Kiknadze to stay in the Tsarskoe Selo hospital as a nurse and she (good mother!) sometimes was gathering together Demenkov (Maria), Kiknadze (Tatiana), Shah-Bagov (Olga) in a hospital. So, don't worry, careful parents had a total control of all the situation. And finally, they would not allowed to their girls untested and unknown men.

Sarah, Пожалуйста. Все только для тебя!
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Olga Maria on December 20, 2009, 03:29:42 AM
Oh, I’m very sorry for my hurtful comment to Kiknadze, Nicolá. It’s really the way at first I thought of him because I don’t know much about the regiment he belonged to, his nor his family and personal backgrounds. It is so unfair of me to malign him. I am like the elder nurses who didn’t approve of his sweetness towards Tatiana.

Nicholas and Alexandra have been definitely very assenting and kind parents. You’ve also given evidence that Alexandra had not been so strict a mother, as she allowed her daughters to enjoy the company of their “friends” (as what she calls Chakh-Bagov, Kiknadze, Malama and Demenkov in her letters to Nicholas in the wartime). Nicholas was very open to his daughter, Maria, to talk about Demenkov, and obviously, he had been an informant for his daughter about her crush’s whereabouts, it seems to me!
P.S. May you please post the 4th photo in whole?


Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Kalafrana on December 20, 2009, 05:45:29 AM
'Ordinary soldier' usually signifies a Private or similar, a very different being from a Guards officer.

Does anyone have any information about Vladimir Kiknadze's education? I note that Dimitri Malama, another of the girls' crushes, was an alumnus of the Corps des Pages, as were a lot of Guards officers.

Ann
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: wox24 on December 20, 2009, 05:54:37 AM
Thank you Nena, Shandy and others.. About new thread (indentification, questions/answers) - good idea. If someone will open it, I would join it with a big pleasure.

Shandy and Kalafrana, you both are a little bit wrong and are confusing all our dear forum members. He was not just an "ordinary soldier". He was an a officer (not lower than a Lieutenant, according to the photo) and served in the Guard's, and moreover in His Majesty (that means that Nicholas could personally be familiar with the officers of his regiment, including Kiknadze) 3rd Rifle Regiment (Saint Petersburg dislocation). Only nobility and aristocracy at that time could serve in the Guard, especially in His Majesty's Regiment. So, it means that Tatiana's favourite was a very intelligent, educated and brave officer of one of the best Infantry and Rifle Regiments of the Russian Empire with a great 200-years History. As I know, Russia at that time had only a dozen of His Majesty's (named by the Nicholas II and patronized by him) regiments in all the Armed Forces (including Cavalry, Infantry, etc.).

 I also think, that Nicholas II and Alexandra Feodorovna were both well aware of their daughters flirtations. That's why Nicholas II appointed Demenkov (earlier he was a Naval officer) in His Majesty's Infantry United Regiment, closer to Maria (good father!). And especially that's why Alexandra Feodorovna allowed Kiknadze to stay in the Tsarskoe Selo hospital as a nurse and she (good mother!) sometimes was gathering together Demenkov (Maria), Kiknadze (Tatiana), Shah-Bagov (Olga) in a hospital. So, don't worry, careful parents had a total control of all the situation. And finally, they would not allowed to their girls untested and unknown men.

Sarah, Пожалуйста. Все только для тебя!

Thanks for more informations and I think you are absolutely right. ;)
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on December 20, 2009, 07:56:45 AM
You are welcome Wox24 and Shandy,

P.S. May you please post the 4th photo in whole?

Here it is Shandy, in a full resolution.
As I know this photo is from one of the Vyrubova albums.
(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/1729/75421046.jpg) (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/75421046.jpg/) (http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/75421046.jpg/1/w1535.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img710/75421046.jpg/1/)

By the way here is another photo with Kiknadze in military uniform (also from Vyrubova album)
He looks rather handsome in this beautiful military uniform.
(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/5912/73790196.jpg) (http://img121.imageshack.us/i/73790196.jpg/) (http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/73790196.jpg/1/w1536.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img121/73790196.jpg/1/)

P.S. I also terribly sorry, that I called him a Lieutenant.
Of course he was not a Lieutenant, he couldn't be him, because Lieutenant in
Imperial Russia was a Naval rank. I was covered that day with a Naval History,
and accidentally called him a Lieutenant. Likely he was (photo has a very bad quality)
something like a Poruchik (Guard's equivalent to Lieutenant) or Sub-Poruchik.

Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: wox24 on December 20, 2009, 03:43:46 PM
Nicola, any admirer of Tsar daughter is not safe before you.  :D You find all of them.  ;)
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on December 21, 2009, 09:14:53 PM
I've been looking for a very long time about any information concerning Mr Vladimir Kiknadze.
Now I've found something! Thanks to good people in Russia who found it for me for FREE in the Russian Military State Archive. God bless them.

Here it is.

His full name was Vladimir Ivanovich Kiknadze. Nationality Georgian. Rank Sub-Poruchik (European equivalent of Sub-Lieutenant).
He fought in the First World War. Regiment - His Majesty's Nicholas II 3rd Guard's Rifle Regiment. Regiment dislocation - Saint Petersburg. He was awarded during the War in 1916 (On July 18) with St. George Gold Sabre!! (equivalent to Order of St. George).

And this not all. He probably had a brother. Evgeniy Ivanovich Kiknadze, who served in the same Regiment. Rank - Captain.
His brave brother was awarded with the Order of St. George.

This is good news. But I also have a rather bad news;((
Unfortunately, but all my friends and me myself, had nothing found about his probably life in all sources after Revolution.
That means that likely he disappeared in an endless First World War......

R.I.P.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 22, 2009, 10:56:21 AM
Amazing photos!!! Thanks for post them!! ;-)
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: wox24 on January 03, 2010, 02:18:23 PM
Is not it Vladimir Kiknadze (on the right)?

(http://i043.radikal.ru/1001/40/b258e80d2d04.jpg)

the photo is from www.otma.blog.cz, Allys Czech site.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on January 03, 2010, 03:28:20 PM
Yes, it's Kiknadze on this photo. But only God can give you 100% guarantee. At least according to the information that I have, I can confirm this. Epaulets, typical Georgian-Russian features, simultaneously being an officer and served as a nurse. However to be honest with you, from the time that I've posted those photos and now, time had passed, and I have a little and minor suspicions about those photos. (for example time when the photos were taken).

Anyway, I can hardly imagine another officer/nurse with the His Majesty's Guard's epaulets and typical Caucasian features in the Tsarskoe Selo hospital in 1914-1916 during the War time. Later, from October 1916 till 1917 he took part in the First World War.

There are also a plenty of his pics in the lazaret. In different albums. Look carefully, and you will find another big amount of his photos.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on March 30, 2010, 07:17:59 PM
Although this photo has already been posted several times on different threads, I decided to post it here in it's native thread. Many thanks to our dear blessOTMA for this excellent finding.

Tatiana Nicholaievna as a Sister of Mercy and Vladimir Ivanovich Kiknadze, Sub-Poruchik of the 3rd of HIM Guard's Rifle Regiment. Tsarskoe Selo lazaret. 1915.
(http://s004.radikal.ru/i205/1003/e1/439d2f53b38c.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: blessOTMA on March 30, 2010, 08:36:42 PM
....and thank you Nicolá  for making the screen shot  from the lionk and all the great information!
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: matushka on March 31, 2010, 06:09:29 AM
Nicola, THANK YOU VERY MUCH for your work, I was especially happy to read information from Russian military archive! That is the work I dreamed to do... and have never done! Very interesting and informative. I wanted to ask you how did you came to the idea that this nurse-officer from Vyrubova's album was Kiknadze. I ask it becauseof the chronology of events. When was he a nurse? In some pictures we see Vyrubova. But did she came back to her nurse's work after her accident of the 2/01/1915? Kiknadze came to lazaret later as far as I understood, that is the reason why I have some suspicion about this identification and would like to have it verified. Can you help me? Sorry, all, for my english, I have not written in english for about a year!
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on March 31, 2010, 11:00:21 AM
You are very welcome! Glad to have you here again;).

As to the photos I previously posted on this thread with the man in military uniform and nurse uniform, this is not Vladimir Kiknadze. I've already wrote it on rare pictures thread. The idea itself about that man came to me suddenly and all the things were surprisingly suited to each other. Only later I discovered in Russian State Mil. Archive (not personally, but with the help of good people) that Vladimir Kiknadze was a Sub-Poruchik, which is doesn't compared to that man on the photo appearance, that was enough. And other things that you've mentioned (time of the photos and so on) also are not quite reliable. I've been thinking about of posting a refutation, because I commonly like make all the things clearly and perfectly, but I didn't have a real Kiknadze photo to do it. Now we have it. Btw, about that man I have some thoughts, as I remember I've posted before that it could be his brother Evgeny Ivanovich Kiknadze, who also served at the same Regiment with the rank of Captain and occasionally in lazaret. But this is only good but unproved version.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Grand Duchess Valeria on March 31, 2010, 12:05:44 PM
I have red about Demenkov, that he had lived in Paris after revolution and never married. It was written in a thread here with other information about him.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on April 09, 2010, 03:12:40 PM
Two excerpts about both Kiknadze from the list of 3rd Rifle of HIM Regiment Officers, who were awarded with an Order of St. George or St. George Sabre as an equivalent, during the WWI.

Vladimir Ivanovich Kiknadze:
- "Sub Poruchik Vladimir Kiknadze is awarded with the St. George Sabre for his actions at August 30, 1915, during the battle at Meyshagola, while temporarily commanding the Company, being surrounded by superior enemy forces and having a great losses from artillery and rifle fire, fought his way with bayonets, threw back the enemy and took up a position in the rear, ensuring the withdrawal of our Batteries. Severely wounded, remained in the ranks until lost consciousness." (Officially awarded only at July 18, 1916.)

Evgeny Ivanovich Kiknadze:
- "Captain Evgeny Kiknadze is awarded with an Order of St. George of the 4th degree, for his actions in the battle of July 15 near the village Shurin, while commanding the 4th Company of the 3rd of HIM Regiment with the rank of Stabs Captain, being under the strongest enemy fire, as a head of it's Company rushed into attack, crossed the impassable swamp and several rows of barbed wire in a one mile wide, captured a strongly fortified enemy position with a bayonet stab and grabbed two working machineguns." (Officially awarded only on April 19, 1917.)


*Both excerpts are translated from Russian and taken from the "Battle Chronicle of the 3rd Rifle of HIM Regiment" by Glinsky and Yesaulov. 1935.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Antonina on May 22, 2010, 09:20:16 AM
I just can't stop :)
Unlikely, but doesn't this man talking with Olga look like Kiknadze?
(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4250/olgapatients.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: blessOTMA on May 22, 2010, 10:02:23 AM
I believe this genleman is darker than Kiknadze was.
That looks like knitting in Olga's hands as well as perhaps photos they are laughing over...but as Nicolá points out, only God can say 100%
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: blessOTMA on May 24, 2010, 12:13:12 AM
I just can't stop :)Unlikely, but doesn't this man talking with Olga look like Kiknadze?
Antonina ....looking at that photo again...perhaps the man Olga is speaking with is not Vladimir Kiknadze...but the man behind her
in the darker robe  than the others looks like him to me....a  Vladimir Kiknadze not feeling too well perhaps.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Antonina on May 24, 2010, 02:54:17 AM
blessOTMA, well, for me he doesn't. This man behind has a thicker moustache than Kiknadze. And the man talking with Olga has I thought the same proportions of the face with Volodia's and the same hairstyle. Anyway, right you are, we can't  have a 100%  guarantee, it's just a mere guesswork :)
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: blessOTMA on May 24, 2010, 07:47:44 AM
blessOTMA, well, for me he doesn't. This man behind has a thicker moustache than Kiknadze. And the man talking with Olga has I thought the same proportions of the face with Volodia's and the same hairstyle. Anyway, right you are, we can't  have a 100%  guarantee, it's just a mere guesswork :)
When I enlarged the photo to get a better look, The man in the darker robe didn't  look like Kiknadze's usual lively self to me ...but perhaps an unwell  Kiknadze, with a puffy face.  Moustaches can change size, particularly when one is not feeling well ;). But as you say, who knows? But thanks to you I  see this is Olga! For a long time, I thought it was Tatiana! lol! So thank you!
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Kalafrana on May 24, 2010, 08:08:02 AM
Moustaches grow, and need trimming from time to time. My ex-husband rarely bothered trimming his but got it done especially for the wedding. It made him look quite different!

Ann
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Antonina on May 25, 2010, 02:12:45 AM
:))) Of course moustache isn't the only difference. But maybe  you are right.
Oh... I'm sorry blessOTMA, it wasn't me who helped you. I also was doubting a lot until find this picture somewhere on the forum signed as 'Olga with wounded' - so you must thank somebody else :)
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Miek on May 13, 2011, 02:05:20 PM
Hi all,

I am terribly confused on who is who in this subject. I tried to find some more info on a "Vladimir Kinkadze" and found this forum page and first I see is that the name I have seems to be spelled wrong...

I got the name from the December 2009 Christie's London auction of photoalbums and portraits containing images of Vladimir.  http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/lot_details.aspx?from=searchresults&intObjectID=5274766&sid=5c0e275f-383a-46cc-a68b-dfb2f1aa3097  (http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/lot_details.aspx?from=searchresults&intObjectID=5274766&sid=5c0e275f-383a-46cc-a68b-dfb2f1aa3097) Click to enlarge.

Please can anyone tell me if the guy on the pix with GD Tatiana is Vladimir K. and if he is not, who is he?

Thanks!

Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on May 13, 2011, 03:02:24 PM
Hi all,
I am terribly confused on who is who in this subject. I tried to find some more info on a "Vladimir Kinkadze" and found this forum page and first I see is that the name I have seems to be spelled wrong...

This is just a misspell, do not take it seriously. I don't think that there could have been another one Vladimir Kiknadze in Russian Army (with the name of Kinkadze) from the same regiment, same rank, from the same lazaret, close to Tatiana, etc...;).

Please can anyone tell me if the guy on the pix with GD Tatiana is Vladimir K. and if he is not, who is he?

Thanks!

Only God can give a fully guarantee, but...judging by the dark Georgian appearance, military rank, presence of Tsarskoe Selo lazaret, Kiknadze's regiment's uniform, plenty of photos withTatiana, 99% that this is Vladimir Ivanovich Kiknadze.

Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Miek on May 13, 2011, 03:15:29 PM
Thank you Nicolá De Valerón!

So Christie's is right about the man but slightly wrong about the name.

Now can you please explain why you think the man you encircled in your post #34 is the same VK? To me he looks totally different, more "blond blue eye type". One cannot change that much, can it?

Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on May 13, 2011, 03:45:36 PM

Now can you please explain why you think the man you encircled in your post #34 is the same VK? To me he looks totally different, more "blond blue eye type". One cannot change that much, can it?


The man in post 34 is not a Kiknadze. I've already refuted this version on "Rare pictures IX" thread (post 325) and apologized for this mistake. The only photo we have is that one from Christie's.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Antonina on April 24, 2012, 09:12:26 AM
Thanks to blessOTMA we get this photo:
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/bphospital.jpg)

If I'm not mistaking, here we can see both of the "little couples" from Chebotariova's diary:
Olga Nikolaevna and Dmitriy Shakh-Bagov (a gloomy  fellow between GD's)
Tatiana Nikolaevna and (??) Vladimir Kiknadze (rightmost below).
Does he look like himself?
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: blessOTMA on April 25, 2012, 04:13:31 AM
All this time I thought this was Vladimir Kiknadze
(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/9289/kikx.jpg) (http://img192.imageshack.us/i/kikx.jpg/) 
Now after carefully reading Nicola's lastest  posts here, I see he's not (or have I misunderstood again?)
I certainly agree this man with TN ,,,,,, (http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/kikx.jpg/1/w572.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img192/kikx.jpg/1/)  (http://s004.radikal.ru/i205/1003/e1/439d2f53b38c.jpg)
could be the same one sitting on the floor here
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/bphospital.jpg)
   
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Antonina on May 02, 2013, 11:44:46 AM
Another photo from Kiknadze's album in a good size
http://www.kp.ru/photo/48186/861378/
I'm sure it is him who sits on a chair. Maybe the uniform experts will correct me. Really handsome)
And I can say the guy in bed is Olga's Mitia.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Antonina on May 10, 2013, 01:47:53 AM
Another one, ladies and gentelmen!
(http://siberiantimes.com/PICTURES/OTHERS/Romanovs-private-album/inside%20-%20tatiana%20with%20a%20man.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: blessOTMA on May 16, 2013, 10:24:48 PM
I saw this one in a tiny form from a Auction House sale... Wow! wonderful to see it so well!Thank you!

I'm wondering if this was taken in the family's private rooms because they are sitting on a day bed that has Alix's name all over it ( slang meaning it looks like one of the  the battalion of daybeds that follow in her wake) Also I 'm wondering if he was given that wrist  watch by TN as both are displaying it  for the lens...He is  also wearing it in the photo of them  when he's in the cot in the hall.  TN pointly  displays a ring on her hand in the photo with Marie ( with hair up) and Nicholas on the balcony around this time.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Rodney_G. on May 17, 2013, 03:11:07 PM
Another one, ladies and gentelmen!
(http://siberiantimes.com/PICTURES/OTHERS/Romanovs-private-album/inside%20-%20tatiana%20with%20a%20man.jpg)
A wonderful , sweet photo, Antonina!  The two really seem a couple here, almost holding hands. That's very rare in photos of the Imperial daughters with their 'beaus' . There's no reading between the lines necessary in this one. And good for them! Tatiana really seems happy and proud.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Antonina on May 18, 2013, 06:21:08 AM
Thank you! Really nice couple) And what about ON sitting on the bed of her "golden one"?
I agree, it may be sister's Romanov own room in the hospital. Like the place of this photo:
(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/saltkrakan/18923016/54145/54145_original.jpg)
By the way, don't you think it could be Kiknadze at left? Looks like him and his order and watch is on place... If it is so, it is a portrait of two Tatiana's suitors - Ravtopulo and Kiknadze)))
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Rodney_G. on May 18, 2013, 01:23:11 PM
I'd say those are definitely Kiknadze and Ravtopulo. And , yes, a little curious that both  of TN's suitors might pose together. We can surmise that each wishes the other were Tatiana, n'est-ce pas?
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Inok Nikolai on August 12, 2013, 10:18:01 AM
Quick question:

Perhaps the answer is on the Forum someplace, but I can't find it.

Do we know Kiknadze's patronymic?

Thanks!
I. N.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: matushka on August 12, 2013, 12:40:49 PM
Ivanovich, I think.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: blessOTMA on August 13, 2013, 03:28:50 AM
Another reason to believe it is Kiknadze is the officer is wearing what seems to be Kiknadze's  BIG wrist watch. I wonder if
TN gave him that because he wears it always,
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Inok Nikolai on August 29, 2013, 12:44:34 PM
Here's a photo from the lazaret, labeled in Tatiana's writing. Perhaps it will give us some clues:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Nursing/nursing7.jpg)

Unfortunately, I'm terrible at reading Tatiana's handwriting! :-[

This is not on Kiknadze, but concerns the group photo above.
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=8857.msg240102#msg240102

Matushka already deciphered several of the names:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=8857.msg240427#msg240427

No, that was my mistake. I could at the moment (but will work more) read the folowing names
1st line: Syroboyarsky and Pavlov (the fourth name)
2nd line:Pokrovsky, Vinogradov, bar. (baron) Taube
3rd line: Nikiforov (the one I took for Kiknadze without zoom )
The last line at the bottom is for me totally unreadable.
The picture is indeed of 1916, at that time Pavlov, Syroboyarsky and baron Taube were at the lazaret.

I.N.-- Here are a few more:
1st row: the name to the right of "Pavlov" is Dzhurkovich (Jurkovic), the Grand Duchesses elusive "Little Montenegrin".
He's the younger man standing to the left of their photo on the wall.
2nd row: the second name to the right of Baron Taube's is Baron Shtakelburg.

Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Inok Nikolai on August 29, 2013, 12:47:06 PM
Thanks to blessOTMA we get this photo:
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/bphospital.jpg)

If I'm not mistaking, here we can see both of the "little couples" from Chebotariova's diary:
Olga Nikolaevna and Dmitriy Shakh-Bagov (a gloomy  fellow between GD's)
Tatiana Nikolaevna and (??) Vladimir Kiknadze (rightmost below).
Does he look like himself?

I. N. -- To me, that "gloomy" young man looks like it might be the "Little Montenegrin", Jurkovic, again, but maybe too dark.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: matushka on August 30, 2013, 12:01:35 PM
I.N.-- Here are a few more:
1st row: the name to the right of "Pavlov" is Dzhurkovich (Jurkovic), the Grand Duchesses elusive "Little Montenegrin".
He's the younger man standing to the left of their photo on the wall.
2nd row: the second name to the right of Baron Taube's is Baron Shtakelburg.



Thank you father Nikolai! And a few more from me-
Third row, left (probably this man sitting on an armchair): Trofimov
The name after Nikiforov is Chernov (I think)

So we have:
1) Syroboyrsky, ?, ?, Pavlov, Jurkovic, M?, Z?
2) Pokrovsky, Vinogradov, baron Taube, ?, baron Shtakelburg
3) Trofimov, Nikoforov, Chernov, ?
4) ?, ?, ?, D?
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: matushka on August 30, 2013, 02:44:49 PM
Before Pavlov, perhaps "Kn. Eristov" (prince Eristov). What do you think?
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Inok Nikolai on August 31, 2013, 01:28:12 PM
Before Pavlov, perhaps "Kn. Eristov" (prince Eristov). What do you think?

Yes.

And after Baron Taube, perhaps Petrov?
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Antonina on September 03, 2013, 10:18:49 AM
My decoding:
Сыробоярский, Чернецов , кн. (князь) Эристов, Павлов, Джуркович, Люцидарский, Зенченко
Покровский, Виноградов, бар. (барон) Таубе, Петров (?), бар. Штакельберг
Трофимов Никифоров                                       ??? Юргенсон
I thought a lot about this photo and, in my opinion, they seat down not in the order their names are written.
Petrov can be Petrovsky from Siberian Regiment.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Antonina on September 05, 2013, 10:22:54 AM
I. N. -- To me, that "gloomy" young man looks like it might be the "Little Montenegrin", Jurkovic, again, but maybe too dark.

I have a bit better version and I'm sure it is Mitia. But you are right: they look like each other very much! It's fantastic! Olga liked only thin dark-haired men with moustache and big ears)))
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: TimM on September 05, 2013, 03:36:43 PM
Ah, Tatiana in her nursing duties.  I've always admired her, and her family, for helping out like that.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Antonina on May 20, 2014, 04:55:47 AM
(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/saltkrakan/18923016/98932/98932_original.jpg)
Vladimir Kiknadze is second left (he is standing).
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Tatiana Z on March 12, 2017, 09:42:33 AM
Vladimir Kiknadze

(http://i062.radikal.ru/1703/96/a4e9d254754ct.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/big/51qjso3lglkwv)
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Tatiana Z on March 12, 2017, 09:56:31 AM
Grand Dichess Tatiana Nicholaevna  with Vladimir Kiknadze 

(http://i053.radikal.ru/1703/95/550fbd11d0f7t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/big/a1n5txq0s97jx)
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Tatiana Z on March 12, 2017, 10:04:03 AM
Grand Dichess Tatiana Nicholaevna  with Vladimir Kiknadze

(http://s016.radikal.ru/i337/1703/81/db8fd557ed63t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/big/3c3mg1vu3c8lh)
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Tatiana Z on March 12, 2017, 10:08:30 AM
Vladimir Kiknadze and Boris Ravtopulo

(http://s45.radikal.ru/i109/1703/96/4bbaeee83ecbt.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/big/3k1mksnwemhjo)
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Tatiana Z on March 12, 2017, 10:10:37 AM
Vladimir Kiknadze and Boris Ravtopulo

(http://s45.radikal.ru/i109/1703/2e/a972b4d8f54ct.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/big/sy1eq6x61u3vj)
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Tatiana Z on March 12, 2017, 10:13:10 AM
Vladimir Kiknadze

(http://s020.radikal.ru/i722/1703/56/35b918b02c22t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/big/tpw7l74w2yvt0)
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Tatiana Z on March 12, 2017, 12:39:21 PM
Vladimir Kiknadze and  Dmitri Shakh-Bagov

(http://s019.radikal.ru/i610/1703/33/d1a80228b283t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/big/y8ct13a7sq4v1)
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Tatiana Z on March 12, 2017, 12:44:39 PM
Grand duchess Olga Nicholaevna ,Vladimir Kiknadze and  Dmitri Shakh-Bagov

(http://s010.radikal.ru/i314/1703/91/07eb343550c1t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/big/w5ocj939qm54u)

Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: TimM on March 13, 2017, 06:55:41 AM
I can't see the picture.

Oh, never mind, there it is!
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Kalafrana on March 13, 2017, 09:47:46 AM
Which of the men is which?

Ann
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Sanochka on March 13, 2017, 10:46:44 AM
Vladimir Kiknadze

(http://s020.radikal.ru/i722/1703/56/35b918b02c22t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/big/tpw7l74w2yvt0)

There is a shadowy figure of a nurse just beyond the open doorway.  Judging from her posture, I'm wondering if it is Vera Gedroits. 
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Tatiana Z on March 13, 2017, 03:18:06 PM
Which of the men is which?

Ann
Vladimir Kiknadze is sitting on the chair near the window , Dmitri Shakh-Bagov is lying in the bed.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: Antonina on March 14, 2017, 01:02:05 PM
(http://ria1914.info/images/c/c3/%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B7%D0%B5_%D0%92%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80_%D0%98%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87.jpg)
Another one portrait.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: TimM on March 16, 2017, 10:43:04 AM
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Dmitri Shakh-Bagov is lying in the bed

The fellow that Olga liked.
Title: Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
Post by: infanta on October 29, 2017, 09:25:31 PM
Is not it Vladimir Kiknadze (on the right)?

(http://i043.radikal.ru/1001/40/b258e80d2d04.jpg)

the photo is from www.otma.blog.cz, Allys Czech site.

The man in the right is Isaev, a doctor. It's not even remotedly Kiknadze.