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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Windsors => Topic started by: HerrKaiser on October 11, 2004, 11:14:25 AM

Title: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: HerrKaiser on October 11, 2004, 11:14:25 AM
Princess Beatrice edited and destroyed huge amounts of Queen Victoria's correspondences with, in particular, Empress Frederick (Vicky). I have read that the correspondence contain much Germanophile leanings that few in England would have enjoyed knowing. What was the conventional wisdom at the time of Beatrice's purging (30s and 40s I believe) and what is the view today as to the contents Beatrice so wanted to be wiped from history?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Sarai on October 11, 2004, 03:49:10 PM
Interesting question. I have often wondered myself what was the nature of the writings that Beatrice destroyed. For instance, were they mostly of a political nature, as with the "Germanophile leanings" mentioned here, or also of a personal nature, perhaps those dealing with her servant/friend John Brown?

Fortunately, many unpleasant things that the Queen wrote were not all wiped out from history, i.e. those dealing with her attitudes towards sex, babies, and even her own children. I am glad that many of the Queen's writings were saved from destruction, in particular those letters written to relations abroad. Here is a good website listing some of the more controversial and even amusing of the Queen's "not so Victorian" quotes:
http://www.victoriana.com/doors/queenvictoria.htm
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Janet_W. on October 11, 2004, 05:00:58 PM
I had read "somewhere"  ::) that Beatrice removed  comments about the passionate nature of Victoria's marital life. Perhaps this is true, although certainly enough was left to indicate that Victoria and Albert were not always Victorians in the conventional sense of the term!  ;)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: RomanovFan on October 11, 2004, 07:26:36 PM
Did Princess Beatrice and Henry of Prussia have any children and grandchildren?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: jehan on October 11, 2004, 10:06:57 PM
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Did Princess Beatrice and Henry of Prussia have any children and grandchildren?


Uh No ;)- But Princess Beatrice and Henry of Battenberg (her husband) did.  They had 3 sons and a daughter.  Alexander, Ena (later Queen of Spain), Maurice and Leopold.  They had several grandchildren through Ena, and a granddaughter  by Alexander,  The 2 youngest died as young men and did not marry.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Svetabel on October 12, 2004, 02:30:11 AM
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I had read "somewhere"  ::) that Beatrice removed  comments about the passionate nature of Victoria's marital life. Perhaps this is true, although certainly enough was left to indicate that Victoria and Albert were not always Victorians in the conventional sense of the term!  ;)

D.Duff in his "Victoria and Albert" wrote much about it.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: elisa_1872 on October 12, 2004, 01:34:32 PM
I too often wondered why these immensely important papers were "cut" in this way. Some authors suggested it was because some passages the Queen thought unsuitable for preservation, e.g Christopher Hibbert says the following:-

"In fulfillment of a charge imposed upon her by her mother, Princess Beatrice transcribed passages from the journals and burned the originals when she had finished with them. She often went further than this, destroying whole entries which she thought unsuitable for transcription and substantially altering numerous passages which she did transcribe.."

It goes on to say that on the instructions of Edward VII, the letters of Queen Victoria to Lord Granville were destroyed, as well as some to Disraeli. (The ones to Disraeli were "about various members of her family")

(quot. fr."Victoria: a Personal History" - Hibbert.)

I think it was a "daughterly duty" why she did it, and though i've always felt it to be such a literary loss, one can understand she felt bound in honour to the promise she had made to her mother..
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on October 12, 2004, 06:12:58 PM
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Uh No ;)- But Princess Beatrice and Henry of Battenberg (her husband) did.  They had 3 sons and a daughter.  Alexander, Ena (later Queen of Spain), Maurice and Leopold.  They had several grandchildren through Ena, and a granddaughter  by Alexander,  The 2 youngest died as young men and did not marry.


Beatrice was another one afflicted with the hemophilia gene. (She was very close to her Hessian nieces/nephew--I wonder if she and Alix & Irene ever communicated about it). Her 2nd son, Leopold (probably not the best name to pick  :( ) was afflicted with it. He was a very talented musician and well-loved by various relatives--he seemed to spend a lot of time with GDss Marie (Duchess of Edinburg & Coburg) in Germany. He died in 1922, Lord Leopold Mountbatten, after an operation at Kensington Palace. It garnered a lot of press attention at the time. The youngest son, Maurice, was oft-rumored to be hemophiliac but was apparently not. He served in the army during WW1 and was killed at Ypres where he was buried with his comrades at Pss Beatrice's request. Queen Ena really grieved the loss of this brother during the war and her loss was aggravated by the satisfaction her MIL took at every German victory (the Dowager Queen was Austrian).
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Ilana on October 12, 2004, 06:35:22 PM
One thing is for sure... Princess Beatrice's handwriting was a lot easier to read...!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Sarai on October 16, 2004, 03:45:41 PM
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I too often wondered why these immensely important papers were "cut" in this way. Some authors suggested it was because some passages the Queen thought unsuitable for preservation, e.g Christopher Hibbert says the following:-

"In fulfillment of a charge imposed upon her by her mother, Princess Beatrice transcribed passages from the journals and burned the originals when she had finished with them. She often went further than this, destroying whole entries which she thought unsuitable for transcription and substantially altering numerous passages which she did transcribe.."


Thank you for posting that passage, Elisa. I now know that this task was something that was appointed to Princess Beatrice by her mother, not something that she did out of her own volition (at least, not entirely, as she did go further than was asked of her).

I think it is such a terrible shame that those documents were destroyed, as they could have been both interesting and invaluable to royal enthusiasts and historians alike. We may never know. However, I can somewhat understand that Beatrice may have been more concerned with destroying her mother's secret or even embarrasing writings to preserve her family's dignity rather than be concerned about keeping them for future historians.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on October 16, 2004, 04:27:44 PM
It is hard to get over how much very interesting (and not just in a gossipy way) information was destroyed at Beatrice's hands. It apparently took decades for her to finish so voluminous were her mother's writings (and of course she transcribed everything she kept). At least some was preserved--weren't much of Edward VII's and Queen Alexandra's letters destroyed upon their request? If I'm not incorrect, didn't the fact of Beatrice's complete control and her decisions as to what was/wasn't recorded, caused dissension within the family?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: HerrKaiser on October 19, 2004, 09:18:22 AM
yes indeed. I recall seeing Queen Elizabeth making a sarcastic remark about how Princess Beatrice's actions. Prince Edward, during his work on and study of Wallis Simpson and Edward VIII, commented about the tragic loss of history at the hands of Beatrice. This attitude, however, is an easy way for the current family to appear "open" when the reality is that the destroyed information will never be known.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on October 19, 2004, 11:33:57 AM
Post Diana & Charles tapes, etc...I bet QEII wishes that a lot of current stuff had been destroyed!  ;)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on May 05, 2006, 07:47:19 AM
I've been having a really hard time finding pictures of Princess Beatrice's children and this is the only picture i've been able to find <a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/230612115wKtkMM_ph.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"></a>
i was wondering if anyone know of any other pictures that are out there

Cambria
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on May 05, 2006, 08:06:24 AM
There are a couple in Julia Gelardi's 'Born to Rule', but I don't have a scanner, unfortunately.

If someone else does though, they could scan them in for you!

Rachel
xx
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on May 05, 2006, 12:36:36 PM
Yeah, I mean i've only seen pictures of Ena and her brother's when they were older...but I've been having the hardest time finding pictures of them when they were children.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on May 05, 2006, 04:52:59 PM
Here's Ena as a bridesmaid for GV & QM. She is in the front row, 2nd from right (she's facing Patsy Connaught).

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/britain/george5britain18651.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on May 05, 2006, 04:55:33 PM
from PrinceEddy on another thread

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/PrinceEddy1864/enafam.jpg) (the children are Alexander, Ena and baby Leopold)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/PrinceEddy1864/enabros.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/PrinceEddy1864/enabros2.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on May 05, 2006, 05:05:43 PM
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(http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/6157/enafamily9au.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: imperial angel on September 13, 2006, 03:57:02 PM
Of course! Royals of those days had the option to have more privacy, and I guess they took it. I think it is a loss, but Queen Victoria is a person one knows much about anyway, and you can kind of clue what has not survived on record, or at least I can. We kind of know Queen Victoria's attitudes towards some things, after all. Beatrice just percieved it as her duty, and may not have done enough thinking to realize anything about/by her mother ought to be preserved, but she was victorian as well, and they did things like this. Some of the stuff about the current British royals is too much information anyway.. ;)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on September 13, 2006, 07:33:46 PM
Alexandra and Edward VII both destroyed a good deal of correspondence. Georgiana Battiscombe ran into problems when she was doing her bio on QA because of the lack of first-hand material. I'd love to read those insights--QA was opinionated and EVII had a wide range of interests. They may not have been as historically significant as the correspondence between QV & Vicky, but I bet they would have provided tremendous insights into various British and European royals.  :(
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: imperial angel on September 13, 2006, 08:55:15 PM
Yes, and they are gone forever; but such was the way of the times. That's what they thought they needed to do, and that's what they did. We, a century later or so, don't really benefit from it, but we must accept it.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Gabriella on September 15, 2006, 02:02:06 PM
Thanks for posting that lovely pictures of the children of Princess Beatrice.

They are lovely.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Ena on September 20, 2006, 08:54:33 AM
I'm curious about Lady Iris, she seemed to be the black sheep of the family.

Any information about her, any pictures?

Do we have information/updates regarding her son Robin?  I wonder if he had any contact with his mother's side of the family?

Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Marlene on September 20, 2006, 08:57:19 AM
Perhaps the most information about Lady Iris will be found in my book.  I met Lady Iris twice in the 1980s - and I think there has already been a thread on her with detail.  My book also has information about Robin and his three natural children.    He had no contact with his mother's family - the only relative that Iris had any contact with was Lord Mountbatten.  Arrangements however were made to have Iris's ashes brought to the church at Whippingham. 



I'm curious about Lady Iris, she seemed to be the black sheep of the family.

Any information about her, any pictures?

Do we have information/updates regarding her son Robin?  I wonder if he had any contact with his mother's side of the family?

Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: alixaannencova on September 20, 2006, 09:02:51 AM
Highly interesting character and very independent too.

Married three times, to men hardly deemed suitable to her position.

Yet another one who didn't toe the RF line, though she was hardly ambitious or self absorbed in status, like Dickie Mountbatten, though I'd like to know more about her parents. Apparently her mother was quite a character!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Marlene on September 20, 2006, 09:18:24 AM
And she ended up in a less than desirable area of Toronto - serious drinking problem -- and her house smelled of urine when I visited.

Highly interesting character and very independent too.

Married three times, to men hardly deemed suitable to her position.

Yet another one who didn't toe the RF line, though she was hardly ambitious or self absorbed in status, like Dickie Mountbatten, though I'd like to know more about her parents. Apparently her mother was quite a character!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Ena on September 20, 2006, 09:24:16 AM
Perhaps the most information about Lady Iris will be found in my book.  I met Lady Iris twice in the 1980s - and I think there has already been a thread on her with detail.  My book also has information about Robin and his three natural children.    He had no contact with his mother's family - the only relative that Iris had any contact with was Lord Mountbatten.  Arrangements however were made to have Iris's ashes brought to the church at Whippingham. 
Actually Marlene,  I was discussing succession to the throne with someone and I mentioned how Robin Bryan was pretty much an everyday Joe, but he was in the line of succession.  I double checked the info I gave from your book, and it got me thinking about them.

I was wondering if there was more information out there about these two.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Marlene on September 20, 2006, 09:31:14 AM
Robin would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down in the line of succession considering that he descends from Victoria's youngest child - and daugter - so you would have to go through all of the non-Catholic descendants of 7 of Victoria's children (Helena has no living descendants) before you get to Robin.

Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Ena on September 20, 2006, 09:37:13 AM
Robin would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down in the line of succession considering that he descends from Victoria's youngest child - and daugter - so you would have to go through all of the non-Catholic descendants of 7 of Victoria's children (Helena has no living descendants) before you get to Robin.


Oh, I know!  I was just explaining to my friend that it's not all about princes and princesses who get to be in the line of succession.  I just think it's interesting.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: basilforever on September 20, 2006, 10:20:01 AM
It seems strange to me that she is a grandaughter of Queen Victoria's child Princess Beatrice, and yet she is 'starring' in an advertisement for GUM!!!!!!!!  :o
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Marlene on September 20, 2006, 10:22:37 AM


Did various adverts when in the USA - also got in trouble for bouncing checks, too ... she didn't understand that you actually had to have money in the account - she assumed the bank would cover it

It seems strange to me that she is a grandaughter of Queen Victoria's child Princess Beatrice, and yet she is 'starring' in an advertisement for GUM!!!!!!!!  :o
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: alixaannencova on September 20, 2006, 10:31:44 AM
How terribly sad about her later life in the redolent apartment! Sounds like she really did live life to the full though! I wonder what Ena thought of her wayxard niece?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Ena on September 20, 2006, 10:33:49 AM
Must have been a difficult transition for her to have to do things for herself.  Did she die penniless?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Marlene on September 20, 2006, 10:35:09 AM
She didn't have a lot of money ...

But she still had the two de Laszlo portraits of her parents, which were on the walls of the liviing room

Must have been a difficult transition for her to have to do things for herself.  Did she die penniless?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: basilforever on September 20, 2006, 10:38:00 AM
I don't know why Lady Iris would be so poor and living in such squalid sounding conditions.

Her aunt was the Queen of Spain!

And gum adverts? Gee, I'm shocked I must say.

What did these portraits of her parents look like? Are there any pictures of them online? ???
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Ena on September 20, 2006, 10:38:21 AM
What was Robin's relationship with his mother like?  
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Marlene on September 20, 2006, 10:47:47 AM


Her aunt went into exile in 1931.  Lady Iris did not have good relations with her own family - marrying a Catholic (her first marriage) did not help (and that marriage foundered quickly).  She apparently had some problems that were never treated (and her parents were probably not hands on parents).  She separated from her second husband before their child was born.  Her third marriage ended after only 2 weeks although the couple never divorced.  One wonders if this marriage was achieved solely to allow Lady Iris remain in CAnada. (Speculation on my part).

Robin went to boarding school - but he's never had a real career or education

I don't know why Lady Iris would be so poor and living in such squalid sounding conditions.

Her aunt was the Queen of Spain!

And gum adverts? Gee, I'm shocked I must say.

What did these portraits of her parents look like? Are there any pictures of them online? ???
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: basilforever on September 20, 2006, 11:00:43 AM
Gee a rather bad marriage history for poor old Iris. :'(

She has so many royal links with her parentage but she seems to have led a life nearly totally unconnected and unaffected by her royal lineage.

I can't find those pictures of the Marquess and Marchioness of Carisbrooke on that site you linked to.

I found this one:

http://www.jssgallery.org/Other_Artists/Philip_Alexius_de_Laszlo/Philip_Alexius_de_Laszlo.htm

which has a very large amount of his paintings, but not of Iris's parents. There are some of her aunt and grandmother Princess Beatrice, etc.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Marlene on September 20, 2006, 11:07:15 AM
If you read the information, you would see that the catalog is not yet online - The Trust also refers to paintings held in public intstitutions not privately held paintings ... One wonders if the paintings were ever photographed in a professional manner.  (I took photos of the two paintings in the 80s, but taken with a regular camera).  You could contact the Trust to see if they have images of the Carisbrooke paintings.



Gee a rather bad marriage history for poor old Iris. :'(

She has so many royal links with her parentage but she seems to have led a life nearly totally unconnected and unaffected by her royal lineage.

I can't find those pictures of the Marquess and Marchioness of Carisbrooke on that site you linked to.

I found this one:

http://www.jssgallery.org/Other_Artists/Philip_Alexius_de_Laszlo/Philip_Alexius_de_Laszlo.htm

which has a very large amount of his paintings, but not of Iris's parents. There are some of her aunt and grandmother Princess Beatrice, etc.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Ena on September 20, 2006, 11:09:39 AM
I'm curious why there was such a disconnect from her royal lineage.  Nature or nurture, a bit of both?

Did she participate in royal functions as a child and young woman?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: basilforever on September 20, 2006, 11:12:55 AM
If you read the information, you would see that the catalog is not yet online - The Trust also refers to paintings held in public intstitutions not privately held paintings ... One wonders if the paintings were ever photographed in a professional manner.  (I took photos of the two paintings in the 80s, but taken with a regular camera).  You could contact the Trust to see if they have images of the Carisbrooke paintings.



Gee a rather bad marriage history for poor old Iris. :'(

She has so many royal links with her parentage but she seems to have led a life nearly totally unconnected and unaffected by her royal lineage.

I can't find those pictures of the Marquess and Marchioness of Carisbrooke on that site you linked to.

I found this one:

http://www.jssgallery.org/Other_Artists/Philip_Alexius_de_Laszlo/Philip_Alexius_de_Laszlo.htm

which has a very large amount of his paintings, but not of Iris's parents. There are some of her aunt and grandmother Princess Beatrice, etc.

I did read the information on the site, and that's what I meant, none of the paintings are online. There is no catalogue to look at currently as I was initially hoping when I clicked on it.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Marlene on September 20, 2006, 11:15:18 AM
She was a bridesmaid at the weddings of the Duke of Kent and Princess Juliana.

She was also at the 1937 Coronation.  I do not think she attended Elizabeth and Philip's wedding.

I'm curious why there was such a disconnect from her royal lineage.  Nature or nurture, a bit of both?

Did she participate in royal functions as a child and young woman?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Marlene on September 20, 2006, 11:21:04 AM
As I suggested, you might want to contact them to see if they do have images or know if the paintings have ever appeared in exhibitions, etc
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I did read the information on the site, and that's what I meant, none of the paintings are online. There is no catalogue to look at currently as I was initially hoping when I clicked on it.
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Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: basilforever on September 20, 2006, 11:32:53 AM
She was a bridesmaid at the weddings of the Duke of Kent and Princess Juliana.

She was also at the 1937 Coronation.  I do not think she attended Elizabeth and Philip's wedding.

I'm curious why there was such a disconnect from her royal lineage.  Nature or nurture, a bit of both?

Did she participate in royal functions as a child and young woman?

Who is Princess Juliana that Lady Iris was bridesmaid for? ???

Are there any pictures of her in these royal functions? It would be interesting to know what the royal family think of her.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Marlene on September 20, 2006, 11:36:45 AM
Actually,  I have to check if she was one of Juliana's bridesmaids.  definitely one of Marina's  and one of Queen Elizabeth's trainbearers at the 1937 Coronation .... and she was presented at court in 1937.
Marlene adds:  I got it wrong - it was not Iris who did both weddings .... Juliana of the Netherlands (Queen Juliana)



yes of course there are photos -of the bridesmaids, etc.  Even postcards.  Newspapers, books, etc.

She was a bridesmaid at the weddings of the Duke of Kent and Princess Juliana.

She was also at the 1937 Coronation.  I do not think she attended Elizabeth and Philip's wedding.

I'm curious why there was such a disconnect from her royal lineage.  Nature or nurture, a bit of both?

Did she participate in royal functions as a child and young woman?

Who is Princess Juliana that Lady Iris was bridesmaid for? ???

Are there any pictures of her in these royal functions? It would be interesting to know what the royal family think of her.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: basilforever on September 20, 2006, 11:43:53 AM
I meant are there photos on the internet of Lady Iris as a bridesmaid? I will go get out my books later and look for her.
I thought you must mean that Juliana. But I thought, what does Iris have to do with her? How would they even have known each other...?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: alixaannencova on September 20, 2006, 12:00:57 PM
Talking of inetesrting or rather outcast Mountbattens, what about the George and Nadjeda Milford Haven's, the first Lady Tatiana? Was she really mentally ill or is that just another whitewash? Sorry I seem to have a fixation with whitewashes at the moment!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Marlene on September 20, 2006, 12:29:34 PM
Lady Tatiana was severely mentally handicapped.

Talking of inetesrting or rather outcast Mountbattens, what about the George and Nadjeda Milford Haven's, the first Lady Tatiana? Was she really mentally ill or is that just another whitewash? Sorry I seem to have a fixation with whitewashes at the moment!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Marlene on September 20, 2006, 12:40:57 PM


I have no idea if there are photos of Lady Iris as a bridesmaid on the internet.  Numerous photo archives would have photos from Marina's wedding --and some may be online - others may offer online sevices solely to the press.

Postcards from Marina's wedding are easy to find on Ebay, for example

I believe it was Kira of Russia who was a bridesmaid at both weddings. 

I meant are there photos on the internet of Lady Iris as a bridesmaid? I will go get out my books later and look for her.
I thought you must mean that Juliana. But I thought, what does Iris have to do with her? How would they even have known each other...?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: basilforever on September 20, 2006, 09:00:23 PM
From Corbis:

(http://pro.corbis.com/images/UKD467AINP.jpg?size=67&uid={24b13718-7c3e-4cc1-8258-2da08cc5cb10})

Iris Mountbatten Sitting in Elaborate Room
Original caption: Lady Iris Mountbatten is seen at the Garrett House, on Cleveland Row in London.

(http://pro.corbis.com/images/UKD467INP.jpg?size=67&uid={5c56b2a7-497d-47b2-9492-ad657de62e4e})

Extravagantly Dressed Iris Mountbatten Standing in Hallway
Original caption: Lady Iris Mountbatten is seen at the Garrett House, on Cleveland Row in London.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: basilforever on September 20, 2006, 10:06:26 PM
From Time.com

Lady Iris Mountbatten, 27, pretty great-granddaughter of Queen Victoria, cousin to George VI and Admiral Viscount Mountbatten, was back to shirtsleeves. Since arriving in the U.S. last October, her blonde ladyship has lent her name to a line of Indian textiles, to a dancing school, to a chewing-gum ad ("[Gum] is the height of good taste"). Now, she announced, she had a job, as plain Miss Mountbatten, in the Manhattan publicity offices of Columbia Pictures Corp., and liked the U.S. so much that she had decided to stay.


Posted Monday, Jul. 14, 1947
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on September 20, 2006, 10:55:43 PM
She didn't have a lot of money ...

But she still had the two de Laszlo portraits of her parents, which were on the walls of the liviing room


Is the de Laszlo of her mother?

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/Marchioness20of20Carisbrooke.jpg)

Here's a painting of her father, but I don't know the painter--it doesn't look like de Laszlo's style

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/portrait1.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on September 20, 2006, 11:02:42 PM
From Time's Milestones:

1957: Married. Lady Iris Mountbatten, 37, honey-blonde great -granddaughter of Queen Victoria, cousin of the late King George VI and Admiral Viscount Mountbatten and well-publicized victim (1947) of the quaint American custom of not honoring hot checks (in England "the bank notifies you and you cover the overdraft, all in good taste"); and Michael N. Bryan, 41, well-to-do broker; she for the second time, he for the first; in Pound Ridge, N.Y.

A later issue noted that she, like Tina Onassis and Grace Metalious obtained Alabama divorces--Alabama was apparently trying to become a 'quickie divorce' site ala Reno, Nevada.


From Time:

1947: "Queen Victoria would not have been amused. Her sightly granddaughter, Lady Iris Mountbatten, was pinched in Manhattan for passing bum checks ($185.05) to a Washington dress shop. Hauled into night court, she huffed: "[In England] it's common practice to be overdrawn. . . . The bank notifies you and you cover the overdraft, all in good taste." Lady Iris covered and the dress shop dropped charges. But all the exciting publicity (which is now Lady Iris' business for Columbia Pictures Corp.) had excited the Bureau of Immigration and Naturalization. They found that Lady Iris had overstayed her visitor's permit, gave her until Sept. 1 to get out of the country. "

 1951: "Lady Iris Mountbatten, who arrived in the U.S. in 1946 and made headlines the following year by cashing checks that temporarily exceeded her bank balance, announced in Manhattan that she had written a song, Once I Lost My Way. The tune, she said, "has been bothering me for three years."
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: basilforever on September 21, 2006, 12:58:54 AM
Why did her three marriages go so wrong?

Particularly the first one didn't even last a year. And was Lady Iris's son Robin born after the divorce or before?

Why didn't she want to live in England and associate with her family, the Royals? ???

I think she looked quite beautiful in that gum ad. Particularly in that second picture I posted of it.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: basilforever on September 21, 2006, 06:58:43 AM
Biography for
Lady Iris Mountbatten

Birth name
Lady Iris Victoria Beatrice Grace Mountbatten
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Spouse
William Alexander Kemp (11 December 1965 - 1 September 1982) (her death)
Michael Neely Bryan (4 May 1957 - ?) (divorced) 1 child
Captain Hamilton Joseph Keyes-O Mailley' (15 February 1941 - ?) (divorced)

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Trivia
Descendant of Pocahontas.

Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: basilforever on September 21, 2006, 06:59:55 AM
Her filmography from the imdb:

Actress - filmography

"Versatile Varieties" (1949) TV Series .... Emcee (1951)
... aka Bonny Maid Versatile Varieties
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: basilforever on September 21, 2006, 07:06:05 AM
Lady Iris Mountbatten

Lady Iris Mountbatten (1920-1982) Born 13 January 1920 London Died 1 September 1982 Toronto, Ontario, Canada Married (1) 15 February 1941 Haywards Heath D.1946 Hamilton Keyes O'Malley, son of Middleton O'Malley Keyes and Jane Byrnes Malley Born 18 October 1910 Farnborough, Hampshire Married (2) 5 May 1957 Pound Ridge, New York D.1957 Michael Bryan, son of James R. Bryan and Laura A. Neely Born 9 August 1916 Byhalia, Missisippi Died 20 August 1972 Glendale, California Married (3) 11 December 1965 Toronto William Kemp, son of Clarence Kemp and Helen Janet Ballantyne Born 10 July 1921 Toronto

At the age of sixteen, Lady Iris was a train-bearer at the coronation of King George VI. Three years earlier she had been a bridesmaid at the wedding of the Duke of Kent to Princess Marina of Greece. Her first marriage in 1941 to Captain Hamilton O'Malley ended in divorce only five years later. "If I had divorced him, it would have been okay, but for him to divorce me that was really scandalous," Lady Iris said in a 1981 interview. After the divorce, she went to America in search of work and had a string of short-lived jobs, including selling brassieres and posing for a bubble-gum advertisement. In 1947 she was arrested for passing a worthless check in a Washington D.C. store. Lady Iris was cleared of the charge, but a check by immigration officials revealed that her visitor's permit had expired and was also working in the United States illegally. After a visit to Canada, she was permitted to return to the U.S. on a permanent visa. Her second marriage, to American jazz guitarist Michael Neely Bryan, ended after only a few months but provided her with her only child. Her third marriage, to Canadian William Kemp, took place in Toronto in December 1965. Several weeks later the couple separated and, although they never divorced, Lady Iris continued to live in Toronto until her death. When Lady Iris died in 1982, no member of the Mountbatten family or British Royal family were present. Her ashes were brought to the Isle of Wight for internment in the Battenberg chapel at Whippingham Church where her grandparents had been married.

Copied from /brigitte/royal/bio/irismountbattenbio.html

Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: basilforever on September 21, 2006, 07:55:46 AM
More From Time:

Posted Monday, Feb. 24, 1941

Married. Lady Iris Mountbatten, cousin of George VI and great-granddaughter of Queen Victoria; and Captain Hamilton O'Malley, of the Irish Guards; at Haywards Heath, Sussex, England. Her cousin Lady Louis Mountbatten was a great friend of their cousin, Edward Windsor.

(http://www.geocities.com/jesusib/Iris_Battenebrg.jpg)

Her father, Prince Alexander of Battenberg, eldest son of Princess Beatrice, Queen Victoria's daughter.

(http://www.geocities.com/jesusib/battenberg_alexander.JPG)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Marlene on September 21, 2006, 08:19:37 AM
Michael Neely  Bryan was not a broker.  He was a jazz musician.


From Time's Milestones:

1957: Married. Lady Iris Mountbatten, 37, honey-blonde great -granddaughter of Queen Victoria, cousin of the late King George VI and Admiral Viscount Mountbatten and well-publicized victim (1947) of the quaint American custom of not honoring hot checks (in England "the bank notifies you and you cover the overdraft, all in good taste"); and Michael N. Bryan, 41, well-to-do broker; she for the second time, he for the first; in Pound Ridge, N.Y.

A later issue noted that she, like Tina Onassis and Grace Metalious obtained Alabama divorces--Alabama was apparently trying to become a 'quickie divorce' site ala Reno, Nevada.


From Time:

1947: "Queen Victoria would not have been amused. Her sightly granddaughter, Lady Iris Mountbatten, was pinched in Manhattan for passing bum checks ($185.05) to a Washington dress shop. Hauled into night court, she huffed: "[In England] it's common practice to be overdrawn. . . . The bank notifies you and you cover the overdraft, all in good taste." Lady Iris covered and the dress shop dropped charges. But all the exciting publicity (which is now Lady Iris' business for Columbia Pictures Corp.) had excited the Bureau of Immigration and Naturalization. They found that Lady Iris had overstayed her visitor's permit, gave her until Sept. 1 to get out of the country. "

 1951: "Lady Iris Mountbatten, who arrived in the U.S. in 1946 and made headlines the following year by cashing checks that temporarily exceeded her bank balance, announced in Manhattan that she had written a song, Once I Lost My Way. The tune, she said, "has been bothering me for three years."
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Janet on December 25, 2006, 11:22:37 AM
Extract from 'The Last Princess: The Devoted Life of Queen Victoria's Youngest Daughter' by Matthew Dennison

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2006/12/23/smprin23.xml&page=1

Queen Victoria went to extraordinary lengths to ensure her youngest and favourite daughter would never leave her. In this extract from his new book, Matthew Dennison details the trouble that ensued when Beatrice met Henry

Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eddie_uk on December 25, 2006, 04:25:58 PM
Fascinating! Thank you for posting the link Janet, can't wait the book!

I was always under the impression Alexandra never really cared for Beatrice - was nice to read she fought Beatrices corner!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: aussiechick12 on December 25, 2006, 04:54:31 PM
Queen Victoria went to extraordinary lengths to ensure her youngest and favourite daughter would never leave her. In this extract from his new book, Matthew Dennison details the trouble that ensued when Beatrice met Henry


Was Beatrice Queen Victoria's favourite daughter? I was under the impression that it was Vicky. Didn't QV only want Beatrice to stay because she wanted a companion, and at first wasn't it either Helena or Louise (I can't remember which one) that she wanted as her companion and it was only after they married she wanted her companion to be Beatrice? Or have I got this completley wrong?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Aliss_Kande on December 30, 2006, 09:52:53 PM
Was Beatrice Queen Victoria's favourite daughter? I was under the impression that it was Vicky. Didn't QV only want Beatrice to stay because she wanted a companion, and at first wasn't it either Helena or Louise (I can't remember which one) that she wanted as her companion and it was only after they married she wanted her companion to be Beatrice? Or have I got this completley wrong?

You pretty much hit the nail on the head.  Since Beatrice was the youngest of her sisters and older than most marrying royals of her time, QV probably expected her to take up the duty of companion, since none of her other sisters wanted the job.  However, Beatrice wanted to get married and she did, which probably did not make QV too happy.  I got yelled at on this board voicing my opinion as to who the favorite was and I was assured beyond any shadow of a doubt that it was Vicky.  QV was just clinging to Beatrice kind of like a security blanket.  She was the last to leave home and, in a way, a last link to her life with Albert.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Angie_H on December 30, 2006, 11:22:52 PM
Has anyone read this? Is it worth getting? "The Last Princess: The Devoted Life of Queen Victoria's youngest daughter: The Devoted Life of Queen Victoria's Youngest Daughter"
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Katherine The O.K. on December 30, 2006, 11:31:22 PM
Yes, I think Vicky was the definite favorite, or as favorite as a child of QV's could be (not very, that is). But I think a lot of it stems from Albert's adoration of his eldest daughter. I don't think QV would have been half as inclined to get along with Vicky if Albert hadn't been so crazy about her. I mean, both women were very strong willed.

And on a different note, it's pretty amazing how similar Beatrice looked to Empress Alexandra in old age.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on December 31, 2006, 07:41:20 PM
Has anyone read this? Is it worth getting? "The Last Princess: The Devoted Life of Queen Victoria's youngest daughter: The Devoted Life of Queen Victoria's Youngest Daughter"

Amazon.uk has it scheduled for released 11 Jan but there are also already used copies up for sale.   :-\ There aren't any reviews up on the site, however.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: lexi4 on December 31, 2006, 08:32:01 PM
This is one time when I would have liked to have cleaned up the scraps from the cutting room floor.  :)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eddie_uk on January 05, 2007, 12:13:02 PM
I bought the new Beatrice biography today and I really like it. Looks very informative with some nice photos. :)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: LenelorMiksi on January 07, 2007, 10:05:06 AM
Which of Beatrice's siblings were the closest to her?  Leopold didn't favor her much, as she was QV's pet & he tended to be a rebel like Louise.  Her personality seemed to be more like Lenchen's than the other sisters.  As the youngest, she appears to me to be emotionally isolated from her brothers & sisters because of age, the personality differences between her & Leopold, & the constant presence of her mother.  She must have been lonely throughout much of her life, since her husband died when their children were still young.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eddie_uk on January 07, 2007, 12:37:30 PM
I think she was very lonely when she was young.With animals trying to make up for it.

In the book there is a very interesting letter from Vicky to QV asking for her permission to destroy all the letters QV had sent her. Vicky states that she does not like the thought of people reading them. Luckily QV told her not too!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Aliss_Kande on January 07, 2007, 01:07:48 PM
I heard that, on her death, Beatrice edited most of QVs letters.  This means that many "personal" details about the queen's life were lost forever.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eddie_uk on January 07, 2007, 01:41:17 PM
Yes in accordance with Queen Victorias wishes. :)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on January 07, 2007, 04:23:54 PM
Which of Beatrice's siblings were the closest to her?  Leopold didn't favor her much, as she was QV's pet & he tended to be a rebel like Louise.  Her personality seemed to be more like Lenchen's than the other sisters.  As the youngest, she appears to me to be emotionally isolated from her brothers & sisters because of age, the personality differences between her & Leopold, & the constant presence of her mother.  She must have been lonely throughout much of her life, since her husband died when their children were still young.

She seems to have had closer relations with some of her nieces and nephews moreso than her own siblings--partly due to the age differences and partly due to her position until 1901. There isn't one person, though, of either generation who really stands out. She was aunt to Victoria of Hesse (and only about 6 years older than her) and the relationship was added to when they became sisters-in-law.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Keith on January 07, 2007, 06:33:48 PM
I always thought she and Leopold got along, being closest in age, and the two by QV's side the most. I don't recall off hand what Charlotte Zeepvat's bio on Leo says.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eddie_uk on January 08, 2007, 04:43:54 AM
Hi Keith -  it seems Leopold may have resented Beatrice :(. He was often lumped together with her and knowing Beatrice was the apple of their mothers eye I think he found difficult! He once called her a "stupid young thing" in a letter to Helena and she told him off!!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eddie_uk on January 08, 2007, 04:16:18 PM
I would love to know exactly how Beatrice broke the news to her mother that she wished to marry Liko. We know they didn't speak to each other for 7 months! Do you think QV went crazy? Maybe QV already had some idea as nothing got passed her! I suppose her journal is not a reliable account considering it was B. who edited it!!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Keith on January 08, 2007, 06:14:05 PM
Hi  Eddie - I just always thought Leo of all the family probably best understood what life for Beatrice was like. QV did her best to try and keep him under her thumb, while all the daughters married fairly early, and the sons with exception of Leo, all had their own residences ( I believe) prior to marriage, or where in military service which got them out of the house.

I just got an email that my copy of the Beatrice bio is being mailed out today. She named her second son after Leo, and was apparently quite upset by his death. I think it's a little sad if her affection for him wasn't returned. I think she and Helen Albany were fairly close.

I'm not sure how she broke the news of wanting to marry Liko to QV, but from what I've read, I think that with Leo's recent death and the Grand Duke getting married while they were in Hesse for Victoria Battenberg's wedding, QV was distracted and not paying as much attention to what else was going on as she normally would have.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: imperial angel on January 09, 2007, 11:18:41 AM
Yes, she chose that moment to surprise her mother. She did not wish to be her mother's lifelong companion in the way Toria later was to Queen Alexandra. But, it is interesting that a rather strong dominating personality like Queen Victoria managed to keep Beatrice under her thumb for a while, but it didn't last. In contrast, Queen Alexandra, scarcely as much of a dominating personality did keep her daughter under thumb her entire life. Toria never married, and was basically her mother's maid, which was much the same fate that Queen Victoria planned for Beatrice until she managed to break free.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eddie_uk on January 09, 2007, 11:31:24 AM

I just got an email that my copy of the Beatrice bio is being mailed out today. She named her second son after Leo, and was apparently quite upset by his death. I think it's a little sad if her affection for him wasn't returned. I think she and Helen Albany were fairly close.


I think you've hit the nail on the head their Keith. I'm sure Leo loved her but it's sad her affection for him was not really returned :(

I would love to know exactly how B. told her mother of her plans to marry Liko. Did she sit her down and tell her blunty?! QV wrote that the news made her "quite ill" ;D
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Grace on January 09, 2007, 11:59:10 AM
Yes, she chose that moment to surprise her mother. She did not wish to be her mother's lifelong companion in the way Toria later was to Queen Alexandra. But, it is interesting that a rather strong dominating personality like Queen Victoria managed to keep Beatrice under her thumb for a while, but it didn't last. In contrast, Queen Alexandra, scarcely as much of a dominating personality did keep her daughter under thumb her entire life. Toria never married, and was basically her mother's maid, which was much the same fate that Queen Victoria planned for Beatrice until she managed to break free.

Queen Alexandra didn't appear a dominating personality to the world around her and maybe not even to her extended family, but she very much was with her own children, if in an affectionate, maternal way.  She made herself Number One in their lives - too much so, in my opinion. 
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: imperial angel on January 09, 2007, 12:03:23 PM
Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking when I was typing that, I more than see your point.I don't think she was a dominating personality, she just was able to have one sphere, perhaps because she didn't have any other outlet to be that way. Toria certainly could have learned much from Beatrice. By the time Beatrice married, it didn't look like she ever would marry, because she was getting older, and she was never a beauty. Her marriage was a love match, although it didn't last very long. It seems to me in some ways that Beatrice was like her mother.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: ashdean on January 09, 2007, 12:22:00 PM
Yes, she chose that moment to surprise her mother. She did not wish to be her mother's lifelong companion in the way Toria later was to Queen Alexandra. But, it is interesting that a rather strong dominating personality like Queen Victoria managed to keep Beatrice under her thumb for a while, but it didn't last. In contrast, Queen Alexandra, scarcely as much of a dominating personality did keep her daughter under thumb her entire life. Toria never married, and was basically her mother's maid, which was much the same fate that Queen Victoria planned for Beatrice until she managed to break free.
I think you are wrong...Alexandra was every bit as controlling as her mother inlaw but in a smaller sphere AND less obviously so....Alexandra could not rule/change her husband so she steered her own course with her family & her children & other faithful retainers who she enchanted & yet bullied....
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on January 09, 2007, 02:51:10 PM
It makes you think how much in love Beatrice must've been. I'll be interested to see what conclusions the author draws about how much Henry loved her in return.

Unlike Toria, Beatrice also found a husband willing to give up his regular life to suit QV--this was the only reason Beatrice got her way. QV basically didn't have to sacrifice her handmaiden and gained a handsome and lively son-in-law to boot. Toria's choice, Lord Roseberry, really couldn't have done the same. He not only had too many responsibilities and powerful career of his own but seemed too independent a personality.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: imperial angel on January 09, 2007, 05:04:35 PM
Beatrice did have a very happy marriage although by no means a long one. She, I don't think, ever lost the passion in her marriage. She wasn't lucky with some of her children, with the hemophilia, and some of her sons died young, including one that did not have hemophilia, I believe. She had a happy marriage like her mother, that was a complete love match, and she was kind of plain like her mother, and she seems to have had a practical nature although not perhaps the wisdom of Queen Victoria, which she had in such abundance. She had one of the longer lives of Queen Victoria's kids I believe. She was perhaps the most like her mother of all Queen Victoria's daughters.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Keith on January 09, 2007, 06:48:35 PM
I'll be interested to see what the book has to say about the Battenberg marriage. If Beatrice was as shy as we are lead to believe, I wonder what Liko saw in her. I don't think they met prior to Hesse in 1884. It's very difficult to get someone as shy as she was supposed to be to talk, so how in a matter of days did this "love match" come about? I wonder how much Leo's death had to play in this, or did it possibly just dawn on Beatrice how much she wanted a home of her own, and here was this handsome prince paying attention to her, while her mother was distracted. I wonder if she really believed she would be able to set up her own home away from QV.

I've never thought of Beatrice as a passionate person, but who knows. One hopes Liko was in love, or at least had some affection for her, and wasn't being mercenary about the marriage. Their are those rumors of him and Louise. I would like to think for Beatrice's sake, it was Louise causing trouble, and not Liko pursuing her. Extra marital affairs seemed to be the norm, but one would hope not with your sister-in-law.   
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Keith on January 09, 2007, 06:56:34 PM

I think you've hit the nail on the head their Keith. I'm sure Leo loved her but it's sad her affection for him was not really returned :(

I was just checking the Leo biography, and it does seem for the most part of his life he did resent Beatrice, but it seemed to be more because QV was always trying to push them together, and he didn't really want any part of that. He wanted to be free. It was only around the time of his marriage that he began to realize what life held in store for Beatrice, and he softened towards her.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: LenelorMiksi on January 09, 2007, 07:28:03 PM
Well, Leo probably loved Beatrice all his life as his little sister, but found her kind of annoying the way siblings can be.  Many times it takes getting older for sisters & brothers to appreciate each other.  Plus he was closeted in the house with "Baby", and he wanted to be out in the world like Arthur.  QV was loving, but so honest that part of his irritation with Beatrice might have been QV favoring her over him.  Not to mention (sorry Beatrice), it seems to me that growing up she was a little 'goody-two-shoes', while Leopold was in trouble a lot.  He wanted to be treated like a man, but the only company QV gave him was this little sister after Louise & Arthur left.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on January 09, 2007, 09:17:17 PM
Beatrice did have a very happy marriage although by no means a long one. She, I don't think, ever lost the passion in her marriage. She wasn't lucky with some of her children, with the hemophilia, and some of her sons died young, including one that did not have hemophilia, I believe. She had a happy marriage like her mother, that was a complete love match

There's not much truly known about the state of their marriage. There were the rumors about Louise and also about other women. There's certainly no doubt that Liko wasn't happy with the state of his life--whether he had happiness in his marriage to counteract this, I don't know. He seems to have always came after Queen Victoria, as did, apparently, their children. This was part of the strain that Beatrice had with her children in latter years--much of their childhood was spent in the shadow of their grandmother. I don't think anything's ever been printed showing feelings about the marriage on Henry's part. It would be nice to think it was a true love match on both sides but I don't think it can be described as 'a very happy marriage', at least on Henry's side--he was too vital a person to live under the forced idleness that was part of the marriage bargain. He was definitely the more affectionate and attentive parent and it was a serious blow to his children when he died.

BTW, Maurice was the non-hemophiliac son who died of wounds in the early weeks of WW1. His grave is in France--his mother was offered the choice to bring his body home but elected to let him lay with his fellow soldiers. There's a poignant photo of Ena at his graveside.

Leopold was a hemophiliac like his namesake uncle. He was in love with his cousin Beatrice Coburg (he seems to have been close to the Duchess and Beatrice and is pictured with the family as Bee & Alfonso leave on their honeymoon) and died in 1922 after an operation.

Alexander seems to have been a bit of a pompus ass--certainly his cousin, Edward VIII, didn't have much good to say about him.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: imperial angel on January 10, 2007, 01:03:09 PM
Well, Louise was something of a trouble maker in my opinion. She wasn't happy in her own marriage, and she was the free spirit of Queen Victoria's daughters. I think she may have found anything between her and Henry was more on her side. I agree that being Queen Victoria's son in law  living so close must have been stressful, and would not have been wished upon anyone. I believe that it might well have caused strains in the marriage, in fact it would have been surprising if it had not. Interfering in laws are never good for marriages, or in laws who think they are in charge. I think the marriage started out for love, even if it might not have lasted. I prefer to believe it did, but in view of the fact they were under Queen Victoria's thumb so much, perhaps not. I would be dumbfounded if Beatrice ever believed she could escape her mother completely, so that could not have been the sole reason for her marriage, to a minor prince who she surely knew would have to bow to her mother's opinion in things.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Janet on January 28, 2007, 12:18:02 PM
A review of the Dennison biography:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2102-2563462.html

Excerpt from the article:
There is no doubt that the queen contributed to the stunting of Beatrice’s development. This, the story of how an active, independent mind was curbed and trained to the habit of mute subordination, offers the most compelling aspect of Dennison’s well- researched and thoughtful book. Victoria made no secret of her strategy. Beatrice was allowed no friends of her own age; at 16, she was still being sent to bed early; even her confirmation was delayed. “I mean to keep her back,” the queen explained.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on January 28, 2007, 07:35:13 PM
Beatrice certainly paid the price for the mental state her mother was in during the period following Albert's death. By the time she came out of it, Beatrice was already a young woman and both were in a set pattern. You hear all the stories of how lively and outgoing the young Beatrice was and to see how it was just systemically stamped out in the gloom that was the Queen's world in those formative years is just too sad.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: imperial angel on January 30, 2007, 09:44:53 AM
A review of the Dennison biography:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2102-2563462.html

Excerpt from the article:
There is no doubt that the queen contributed to the stunting of Beatrice’s development. This, the story of how an active, independent mind was curbed and trained to the habit of mute subordination, offers the most compelling aspect of Dennison’s well- researched and thoughtful book. Victoria made no secret of her strategy. Beatrice was allowed no friends of her own age; at 16, she was still being sent to bed early; even her confirmation was delayed. “I mean to keep her back,” the queen explained.

It is interesting that Victoria made no secret of it. That was certainly her way. As for Alexandra, when she did this with her daughter, it was more subtle. They just seemed to fall into it, it wasn't directly stated, in my opinion. Perhaps that made it harder to get out of?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Janet on January 31, 2007, 10:35:56 AM
Another review fo the Dennison bio.

(Although the writer of the article does say: In the end Beatrice did manage to break free by marrying a surprisingly dashing prince from Spain)

http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/biography/0,,1999571,00.html
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: imperial angel on January 31, 2007, 01:14:27 PM
Yeah they had that wrong. ;) I think they got her mixed up with Baby Bee of Edinburgh, who married a prince from Spain.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: TampaBay on January 31, 2007, 08:07:33 PM
Where did the name "Beatrice" come from?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Alicky1872 on February 02, 2007, 09:53:02 AM
The name Beatrice was associated with the Plantagenets, and according to Beatrice's biographer Michael Dennison, Prince Albert may have been inspired by Dante's romantic yearning for his Beatrice.

 
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: LenelorMiksi on February 03, 2007, 08:34:55 AM
That explanation sounds just like how Prince Albert would pick a name.  I believe Beatrice was almost a saint in the poem, was she not?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: TampaBay on February 03, 2007, 09:39:45 AM
Yeah they had that wrong. ;) I think they got her mixed up with Baby Bee of Edinburgh, who married a prince from Spain.

Was Beatrice of Coburg/Edinburg named after her Aunt Beatrice?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on February 03, 2007, 10:43:41 AM
I believe so.

We used to have a great thread that was all about royal names--their origins, etc--but it doesn't seem to be around anymore.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: imperial angel on February 05, 2007, 01:16:09 PM
Why was she named after her aunt? As well, that thread should start back up. What thread would it belong on?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 05, 2007, 02:06:41 PM
Well Beatrice her godmother. I think Marie of Coburg was quite fond of Beatrice too. They shared a love of music for one. Marie later expressed her concern at Beatrices "bizarre mouning"

A bit of interesting trivia from the new Beatrice bio:

In 1937 a friend wrote to Beatrice praising a london show about Queen Victorias life. Beatrice replied "I am very thankful to hear from you, that you really considered it such a rendering of both my dear parents personalities...But I am sure you will understand I cannot bring myself to see my dear Mother, whose memory is still so intensly vivid in my mind and heart, personified on the stage, by a stranger, however good" Isn't that touching?? Written 36 years after the Queens death. It shows her much she loved her mother.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: ilyala on February 06, 2007, 01:47:53 AM
or maybe she was sick and tired of her  ::)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Grace on February 06, 2007, 03:09:06 AM
It doesn't really read that way to me.  I don't think girls of that era were raised to ever get "sick and tired" of their mothers and certainly Beatrice wasn't.  Her determination to marry was really the only major disagreement between mother and daughter and I think Beatrice's love and devotion to Victoria is amply shown in her letter as quoted by Eddieboy. 
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 06, 2007, 04:04:32 AM
I agree Grace. I personally find it very sweet and touching.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: ilyala on February 06, 2007, 08:53:15 AM
It doesn't really read that way to me.  I don't think girls of that era were raised to ever get "sick and tired" of their mothers and certainly Beatrice wasn't.  Her determination to marry was really the only major disagreement between mother and daughter and I think Beatrice's love and devotion to Victoria is amply shown in her letter as quoted by Eddieboy. 

i was trying to be funny. it seems i failed. my apologies  :-[
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 06, 2007, 08:59:13 AM
 ;) Don't worry ilyala ;)

I wonder if Beatrices old rooms at Osbourne are just sitting there empty... ???
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Keith on February 06, 2007, 06:10:46 PM
Eddie - Do you mean at Osborne House? If so, if I remember correctly from when I was there (1990) they said the Battenberg rooms are now offices. 
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 07, 2007, 08:27:42 AM
Thank you Keith, yes that was what I was wondering :) I think someone should go around taking photos of every room for prosterity. :) Would be so interesting.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 15, 2007, 02:07:02 PM
I would love to see a clearer photo of this. Their appears to be an error in the listing though.

http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/portrait.asp?LinkID=mp55465&rNo=5&role=sit

QV is wearing an unusually colourful garment!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Keith on February 15, 2007, 06:21:41 PM
Different pose, but taken at the same time, Osborne in June 1897 around the time of QV's Diamond Jubilee.

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c256/fajack/Osborne1897.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 16, 2007, 01:59:10 AM
Thank you Keith! It's a lovely picture. Wonderful hats!!!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Keith on February 16, 2007, 05:42:33 PM
They certainly are some hats!

I was a bit surprised to see Beatrice still apparently wearing mourning a year and half after Liko's death. I didn't think she took after QV in the wearing of black after the official mourning period was over.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Keith on February 21, 2007, 06:32:56 PM
Age 9

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c256/fajack/Beatriceage9.jpg)

1920's

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c256/fajack/Beatricesmiling.jpg)

I don't recall ever seeing a picture of Beatrice smiling, and I think like QV it really makes a difference in her looks.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Grace on February 21, 2007, 08:45:08 PM
She has a smile of sorts in the 1920's one...great photos as always, Keith.  ;)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on February 21, 2007, 09:51:04 PM
She has a slight smile here

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/img237w.jpg)

but you're right, Keith, I don't think I ever saw a photo of her actually grinning--like QV's famous carriage photo.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on February 21, 2007, 09:52:04 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/File0112gw.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/image862Beatricew.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on February 21, 2007, 09:53:08 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/image523Beatricew.jpg)

This last one is Beatrice peeking out of a train as she and Ena arrived on Spanish soil before Ena's wedding in 1906:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/image018BeatriceatEnaarrivalinSpain.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Keith on February 22, 2007, 12:17:30 PM
She has a slight smile here

but you're right, Keith, I don't think I ever saw a photo of her actually grinning--like QV's famous carriage photo.

I had forgotten about that picture. I'm pretty sure I had seen that one. Is that Eddy's arm she is holding on to?

I like the peeking out of the train photo.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on February 22, 2007, 05:02:10 PM
Yes, it's Eddy's arm.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 23, 2007, 08:11:40 AM
I find Marie of Coburgs description of Beatrices mourning for Liko interesting. I would be interested if anyone could post the exact quote as I have forgotten where I read it! Apparently she would be shouting at Likos photo one minute and going off for a bike ride in full mourning the next! With characteristic honesty Marie thougt it "bizarre".

Thank you :)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Grace on February 23, 2007, 01:49:28 PM
Maybe she was mad with Liko for going off and dying the way he did?  It sounds irrational but sometimes people are angry with their loved ones who have died in a sense of abandonment.
After all, the original agreement when they married was that they renounce all independence and live with the Queen permanently and Liko couldn't do this after a time.  ???
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Janet_W. on February 23, 2007, 02:20:47 PM
The shock of the death of a loved one causes that up-and-down behavior. For many months after my father's death my moods fluctuated to the point of exhaustion. I also felt guilty whenever I laughed or took joy in the day, and guilty for the times when I mourned and figured I was dragging people down. As for my specific behaviors, you'd have to ask those who witnessed them, but I wouldn't doubt that I proposed or did things that were more than a bit off-base.

Many years later I lost a friend to cancer. For three days it felt as if I was moving about in a bubble of warm fluid. Life went on around me, yet inside that bubble I felt as if I were moving in slow motion.

Beatrice was on the fast track to being an old maid when her Liko stepped forward, proposed marriage, and ultimately became her bridegroom. His death meant the end of an exceptionally important part of Beatrice's life. I don't wonder that her behavior was observed as bizarre!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on February 23, 2007, 02:35:08 PM
Plus, it's hard to say how the conditions she was living under (namely, Queen Victoria) affected her mourning. She may have felt pressure to mourn or she may have felt that she needed to 'buck up' for her mother's sake--not to mention having 4 young, fatherless children to deal with. There might have been times that things just burst out of her.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: imperial angel on February 28, 2007, 01:28:38 PM
Well, Queen Victoria was very familiar with mourning, and she would not have discouraged it I don't feel. That would have been going against everything we know of her. Beatrice herself grew up in the shadow of Queen Victoria's mourning for Albert, without which her childhood might well have been better.Queen Victoria would have felt perhaps that she should pay attention to her children though. Her mourning doesn't sound particularly bizarre, but it does seem like she did have something to mourn, which pretty much makes it clear she loved her husband. Why mourn like that if you did not? His death was also something of a shock because it was sudden and he was young, so I am sure that factors in.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on February 28, 2007, 10:06:45 PM
No, of course QV didn't frown on mourning. However, Henry's death was a severe blow to her at the end of her life. Beatrice may once again have put her own feelings aside in front of her mother to help her mother grieve the loss of someone as dear to her (perhaps more so) as any of her own children.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on March 27, 2007, 09:56:53 PM
Beatrice viewing the wreaths left for her nephew George V in January 1936:

(http://www.britishpathe.com/scripts/ImgRetrieve.dll?GetPic&recno=12158&picno=00000030&sif=0)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: basilforever on March 28, 2007, 11:07:10 AM
She has a slight smile here

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/img237w.jpg)

but you're right, Keith, I don't think I ever saw a photo of her actually grinning--like QV's famous carriage photo.

Grandduchessella, could you post the whole of this photo please, so I can see Eddy there with his aunt Beatrice? I would be most grateful
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on March 28, 2007, 12:52:37 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/File0163w.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: basilforever on March 28, 2007, 01:28:58 PM
Thanks - I have seen that one before, I just didn't recognise the close-up as coming from it. Any chance of posting a close-up of Eddy like you did of Beatrice? Thanks so much. :)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on March 28, 2007, 01:40:22 PM
I hadn't originally cropped him, so the quality won't be great, but here you go:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/File0163eddy.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: basilforever on March 28, 2007, 01:49:23 PM
Thanks, it's pretty good, at least I can see the expression on his face. Is that a slight smile? Maybe he is sharing a joke with Aunt Beatrice?

I'll show them together.

(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p232/OnlyEddy/More%20Eddy%20Pictures/File0163eddy.jpg?t=1175107525)(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p232/OnlyEddy/More%20Eddy%20Pictures/img237w.jpg?t=1175107650)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 28, 2007, 03:22:45 PM
I'm suprised how slim Beatrice looks there! :)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Janet_W. on March 28, 2007, 04:18:40 PM
Yes! What is the year of that photo? It looks as if she was naturally slimmer at that time, although she may have been well-corseted as well.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on March 28, 2007, 04:48:01 PM
Based on the ages of the Edinburgh girls and the mourning (perhaps for Leopold), maybe 1884? The girls don't look too much younger than when they served as bridesmaids for Beatrice in 1885.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: eejm on April 04, 2007, 06:21:37 PM
I've always found the "youngest daughter stays home" arrangement common in the Victorian era fascinating (if a little puzzling), and the compromise of sorts that Queen Victoria and Beatrice came to on the latter's marriage to Henry of Battenberg even more interesting.  Did Beatrice ever express regret in later life that she and Henry were not permitted their own residence? 

Did Henry not join the British Navy (as his brother Louis did) because he'd previously served in the Prussian Army?  I'd think that this would have been a logical choice for Henry, even though it would have meant that he probably wouldn't have lived with his family full-time.  Still, it would have avoided the boredom that drove him to fight in the Ashanti War...
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on April 04, 2007, 11:40:20 PM
I think Henry had to give up the idea of serving in the British military when he married Beatrice as it wouldn't have kept him at Queen Victoria's side. Queen Victoria seems to have had an issue with foreign princes marrying into the family and then serving in the British military--Louis Battenberg was already serving when he married Victoria of Hesse (who wasn't a British citizen herself) so it wasn't an issue. When Francis, Duke of Teck, who had a long career in the Austrian Army, married Princess Mary of Cambridge, he apparently hoped to join the British military but was prevented from doing so by the Queen. Perhaps she feared divided loyalties--real or imagined--or other political difficulties?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on May 21, 2007, 02:55:35 PM
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/battenburg%20kids/1895BeatriceandMaurice.jpg)

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/battenburg%20kids/HU042844.jpg)

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/battenburg%20kids/HU042849.jpg)

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/battenburg%20kids/HU014442.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: eejm on May 21, 2007, 03:22:55 PM
I like the one above of Beatrice and her son.  Which son is it, and is there a date on it?  It looks like she might be wearing a widow's cap, so I'm wondering if it is Maurice.

Also, who is the girl with Ena?  Is it Patsy Connaught?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on May 21, 2007, 03:31:03 PM
It is Maurice, as is the 4th photo.

The girl with Ena is her cousin, the daughter of Marie Erbach (nee Battenberg). Her name was Marie as well, though she was called Edda. She never married and died in 1966. Incidentally, Ena's cousin (Marie's brother) Alexander Erbach, married Elizabeth of Waldeck-Pyrmont, the younger sister of Ena's aunt, Helen Albany.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: TampaBay on May 21, 2007, 07:41:26 PM
Was he as good looking as all the other "Battenburg Boys"?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Michael II on May 21, 2007, 07:44:34 PM
Prince Maurice was killed in WWI in 1914 at Mons, France.  He is buried in the Ypres, Belgium town cemetery.  If you google Ypres town cemetery and click on personnel you will see a picture of his grave.  The site can be seen in English.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on May 21, 2007, 10:04:36 PM
Was he as good looking as all the other "Battenburg Boys"?

TampaBay

I don't think any of the 2 generation were as good-looking as the originals but Maurice was judged to be the best-looking of Ena's sons. It's ironic that this healthy, strapping young man would later be falsely rumored to have hemophilia like his brother Leopold.

Here are some photos:

At the time of Ena's wedding
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/battenberg_maurice1.jpg)

At Osborne around 1908
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/scan776.jpg)

A posthumous portrait painted by de Laszlo
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/File0355a.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 22, 2007, 02:26:10 PM
Where did the Battenberg children live after Queen Victoria's death?  Since they were old enough, did they live with the "aunts" in Kensington or did they have their own homes? 

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on May 22, 2007, 03:39:06 PM
They lived where Beatrice was--I think Osborne Cottage and Kensington Palace amongst them--until they were married. I'm not sure where Alexander (Drino) set up his home once he married Irene Denison but she was very wealthy. Leopold never married and lived with his mother until his death in 1922--I think the operation he had, and died from, took place at Kensington Palace.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Leuchtenberg on May 24, 2007, 01:34:47 AM
Where did the Battenberg children live after Queen Victoria's death?  Since they were old enough, did they live with the "aunts" in Kensington or did they have their own homes? 

-Duke of NJ

Drino and Irene shared Beatrice's apartment at Kensington.  After Beatrice's death, they moved into Apartment 10 which is now the home of Prince Michael of Kent.  After Lord Carisbrooke's death, Princess Margaret and her husband took over the apartment as their first married home.  Apparently when they moved in it was very run down and had but one bathroom and bare electrical wires running along the walls of various rooms.  After Margaret moved into 1A Kensington Palace, Apartment 10 became the home of Sir Philip Hay,  former Private Secretary and rumoured lover of Princess Marina.  It was only after Marie-Christine became chatelaine of the home was the apartment brought up to modern standards.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on June 15, 2007, 07:37:58 PM
Some more pictures of the Princess Henry of Battenberg:

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/Princess%20Beatrice/th_PrincessHenryofBattenbergI.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/Princess%20Beatrice/PrincessHenryofBattenbergI.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/Princess%20Beatrice/th_PrincessHenryofBattenberg4.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/Princess%20Beatrice/PrincessHenryofBattenberg4.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/Princess%20Beatrice/th_PrincessHenryofBattenberg3.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/Princess%20Beatrice/PrincessHenryofBattenberg3.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/Princess%20Beatrice/th_PrincessHenryofBattenberg2.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/Princess%20Beatrice/PrincessHenryofBattenberg2.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/Princess%20Beatrice/th_PrincessHenryofBattenberg.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/Princess%20Beatrice/PrincessHenryofBattenberg.jpg)

One with Queen Victoria:

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/Queen%20Victoria/th_QueenVictoriaXVI.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/Queen%20Victoria/QueenVictoriaXVI.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: gogm on June 15, 2007, 08:05:08 PM
Nice pics! :)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eddie_uk on June 16, 2007, 02:13:46 AM
(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/Princess%20Beatrice/th_PrincessHenryofBattenberg.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/Princess%20Beatrice/PrincessHenryofBattenberg.jpg)


Thank yo u Duke, these three brooches look unusual and I love the one with Vicky.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: dmitri on June 16, 2007, 03:29:10 AM
Mind you if you read about the Duke of Windsor he was not a particularly pleasant personality himself. He seemed to take a perverse delight in insulting members of his own family. He certainly never really made any great attempt to accept his family and rather resented his own status although he loved all the perks until the very end of his life. He really let the side down very badly and the monarchy was really well rid of him. Wallis did them all a favour. How she suffered him for so long is a great credit to her.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on June 16, 2007, 02:32:35 PM
How does this relate to Princess Beatrice?  ???
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on June 16, 2007, 03:27:46 PM
Quote
How does this relate to Princess Beatrice? 

I was wondering the same thing.

Anyway,
This may sound a bit mean (I know they are both in mourning) but the one with Queen Victoria and Princess Beatrice looks a little bit, for the lack of the better word, coarse.  They look like housemaids or something. 

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: eejm on June 28, 2007, 10:44:21 PM

This may sound a bit mean (I know they are both in mourning) but the one with Queen Victoria and Princess Beatrice looks a little bit, for the lack of the better word, coarse.  They look like housemaids or something. 

-Duke of NJ

I agree.  The picture is not at all flattering to either woman, and the clothes do nothing for Beatrice in particular.  At least we're accustomed to seeing Victoria photographed in mourning clothes, since she spent so many years in them.  I'm glad Beatrice did not stay in mourning clothes her entire life, as her mother had.  She was a handsome older woman (as the picture of her above in the tiara show), and having to wear clothes like that for nearly 50 years would have kept her quite dowdy. 

Was it Victoria who made white mourning caps and veils fashionable?  To me they look somewhat strange set against the voluminous black dresses.  The black caps that Vicky wore after Fritz died seemed to "fit" with the mourning ensemble much more. 

I'd never seen the picture above of Beatrice and Vicky.  Does anyone know how old the two were at the time, or what occasion it was taken for?  Despite the great age difference, Beatrice and Vicky became close in later life.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Keith on June 29, 2007, 06:07:27 AM
Yes, the leg o'mutton sleeves did nothing for Beatrice's figure. I do have a picture, posted on one of these boards, of Beatrice and Maurice in which the sleeves are not quite as big, and she looks much better.

I read somewhere that the picture of Beatrice and Vicky was taken in 1888 on the occasion of QV, Beatrice, and Henry visiting Berlin after Fritz became Emperor. Although clicking on the photo I can't decide if Beatrice is wearing a wedding ring or not. If she is wearing a ring, I would think definitely not much later than 1888 as I believe Vicky wore mourning for the rest of her life, and Beatrice still looks on the slim side.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eddie_uk on June 29, 2007, 07:51:38 AM
1888 looks very late for that photo. I would put it rather earlier, late 1870s perhaps?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Svetabel on June 29, 2007, 09:13:05 AM
1888 looks very late for that photo. I would put it rather earlier, late 1870s perhaps?

My guess is 1878-1879.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on June 29, 2007, 01:39:28 PM
I have a cabinet card of Vicky from that sitting as well--it was taken by Downey in London but doesn't give a date. They look like they are wearing mourning.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: eejm on June 29, 2007, 02:33:53 PM
If it was taken in 1879, they could well have been in mourning for Alice and May.  Beatrice does look younger in that picture than she does in her wedding photos, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was taken at that time.  I wonder what the occasion was?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on June 29, 2007, 04:15:48 PM
I did some searching and Vicky was in London in Feb 1879, the same time that the GD of Hesse brought his children over to see the Queen. They stayed through early March in order to see the Duke of Connaught wed. One week after their return, Vicky's son Waldemar died.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: eejm on June 29, 2007, 09:27:56 PM
I wonder if the occasion for the picture was Arthur's wedding, then?  If it was, I likewise wonder why Beatrice and Vicky would have a picture together. 

Wasn't Vicky expecting her first grandchild by that point?  I think Charlotte had Feo not long after Waldemar's death.

On an unrelated note, did Beatrice comment much on her life with her mother?  I suppose editing her journals was a way of passively commenting on her mother's life, but did she say much about her own experiences?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on July 03, 2007, 11:55:51 PM
I had first thought the photo was from 1888 because Vicky has her feet on a pillow, something that usually only kings and queens do but they do both look too young for it to be 1888.  I know the photo was from 1879 but why does Vicky have her feet on the pillow as a Crown Princess? 

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: eejm on July 04, 2007, 08:06:28 PM
I had first thought the photo was from 1888 because Vicky has her feet on a pillow, something that usually only kings and queens do but they do both look too young for it to be 1888.  I know the photo was from 1879 but why does Vicky have her feet on the pillow as a Crown Princess? 

-Duke of NJ

Good question.  I wonder if it has something to do with the event that the picture was taken for.  No one seems to know exactly why this picture was taken.  Besides Arthur's wedding, were there any other events that Vicky attended during her 1879 visit that would have warranted a photo with Beatrice?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on July 04, 2007, 11:35:15 PM
She seems to have spent a good deal of time, according to the Court Circular, visiting various people (including spending a good deal of time with Bertie) and, being Vicky, checking out hospitals and other areas of interest.  :)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Lucien on February 21, 2008, 02:21:46 AM
Interview with the Countess Mountbatten:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/portal/main.jhtml?xml=/portal/2008/02/20/ftmount120.xml

Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Mari on February 21, 2008, 08:01:32 AM
Very Interesting!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Gabriella on February 23, 2008, 05:51:52 PM
It is Maurice, as is the 4th photo.

The girl with Ena is her cousin, the daughter of Marie Erbach (nee Battenberg). Her name was Marie as well, though she was called Edda. She never married and died in 1966. Incidentally, Ena's cousin (Marie's brother) Alexander Erbach, married Elizabeth of Waldeck-Pyrmont, the younger sister of Ena's aunt, Helen Albany.

Sorry, but Edda, Ena's cousin was married.

Ena's cousin Edda, full name Marie Elisabeth of Erbach-Schönberg, was the third child and only daughter of Marie of Battenberg and her husband
Gustav of Erbach-Schönberg. She was born 07.07.1883 at Schönberg/Odenwald, now a part of Bensheim.

She married 19.01.1910 Friedrich Wilhelm Heinrich Prince of Stolberg-Wernigerode (b. 23.07.1870, d.23.01.1931). He was in diplomatic service, and they lived in Rome and Vienna before WWI. They had two children, a son, Ludwig-Christian (b.30.12.1910 , d. 12.04.1945)  and a daughter, Anna (b. 1912, d. 1914).

Ludwig-Christian was married to Anna Countess of Schlitz in 1937. They had four children. He fought in WWII and was killed in action.

Edda died on 12.03.1966 at age 82.

Here are two pictures of Edda:

with her mother, Marie of Erbach-Schönberg, nee of Battenberg

(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb175/silkedorothea/MarieErbach-SchnbergandEdda.jpg)

in 1910:

(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb175/silkedorothea/wilhelmstolberg.jpg)

the picture was made at the day after her marriage and shows from left to right:
Marie, Edda, Friedrich-Wilhelm of Stolberg-Wernigerode, behind him Edda's eldest brother, Alexander (b. 1872, d. 1944), and Alexander's wife,
Elisabeth, born Princess of Waldeck and Pyrmont. She was a younger sister of Emma Queen of the Netherlands and Helen, Duchess of Albany.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: CharlotteSometimes on February 27, 2008, 12:04:21 AM
Is there anything to this story from an 1875 newspaper?  At first I thought it was a misprint, and they were really talking about Henry, but by the date of the paper I see it is indeed Louis.


Prince Louis of Battenberg, whom rumour credits with being an aspirant to the hand of Princess Beatrice, is twenty years old.  His father is brother to the Grand Duke of Hesse, and the Empress of Russia.  Years ago, the Prince's father, while visiting the Russian Court, fell in love with a Polish maid of honor, and in spite of urgent remonstrance, married her.  Very wisely, the best was made of the matter, and the bride was made Princess of Battenberg.  Her son, now in his twentieth year, is a sub-lieutenant in our Royal Navy, and is talked of as the Queen's youngest son-in-law.

This is not the only rumour afloat.  A very absurd one is to the effect that the Princess is to marry an American, now in this country.  Another is that the Princess Thyra, sister to the Princess of Wales, is to marry the son of the ex-King of Hanover.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on February 27, 2008, 12:03:28 PM
Yes, there was truth to it, it seems. In the last bio of Beatrice (by Matthew Dennison) he relates how QV feared that Louis might try and court Beatrice (whether this was actually true or not, I don't know) and quickly got him shipped off.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: CharlotteSometimes on February 27, 2008, 02:05:46 PM
Thanks, I never knew there was any connection between Louis and Beatrice, at least until her marriage.  I wonder who the mysterious American was?  I guess even back then newspapers had their gossip columns.  They didn't have movie stars and pop singers, so they had to talk about royalty.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on February 27, 2008, 04:56:49 PM
There may not have really been an American in the picture--the papers were always marrying off the 'Dollar Princesses' to various English and Continental royalty/nobility.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: eejm on February 27, 2008, 05:44:08 PM
Is there anything to this story from an 1875 newspaper?  At first I thought it was a misprint, and they were really talking about Henry, but by the date of the paper I see it is indeed Louis.


Prince Louis of Battenberg, whom rumour credits with being an aspirant to the hand of Princess Beatrice, is twenty years old.  His father is brother to the Grand Duke of Hesse, and the Empress of Russia.  Years ago, the Prince's father, while visiting the Russian Court, fell in love with a Polish maid of honor, and in spite of urgent remonstrance, married her.  Very wisely, the best was made of the matter, and the bride was made Princess of Battenberg.  Her son, now in his twentieth year, is a sub-lieutenant in our Royal Navy, and is talked of as the Queen's youngest son-in-law.

This is not the only rumour afloat.  A very absurd one is to the effect that the Princess is to marry an American, now in this country.  Another is that the Princess Thyra, sister to the Princess of Wales, is to marry the son of the ex-King of Hanover.


Apparently Alexander (Sandro) of Battenberg, a third brother who wanted to marry Vicky's daughter Moretta for a time, supposedly had an interest in Beatrice as well.  I think this was during one of his Bulgarian stints, as he said he knew she'd never leave Britain to live in Bulgaria.  He knew Beatrice's mother would never allow it either. 

Ironically, Princess Thyra DID marry the son of the ex-King of Hanover!  The gossip columns got it right for once!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on April 05, 2008, 08:17:24 AM
Here is a photo from brnbg

HRH the princess Beatrice      ( --- >  it may just be the angle, but am i the only one who thinks this doesn't look like Beatrice?   but then again, i can't quite figure out which sister i think she resembles more.    but it probably is Beatrice....  )
a newspaper at the time, provided a description of what she's wearing:
her entire outfit (hat, coat and dress) was mauve.   her coat was edged in white swansdown;   
swansdown decorates her hat; 
and her muff was also of swansdown.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/beatrice.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/beatrice.jpg)

Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on April 05, 2008, 08:18:19 AM
Yes, it is Beatrice. She was quite pretty as a teenager before she got more stolid and matronly looking. As a younger girl, she resembled Louise, I think.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on April 09, 2008, 09:39:44 AM
This is one of my favorites ....  ;D

Beatrice (Baby) in the 1870s
(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4345/babyrarefz4.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on April 21, 2008, 03:42:59 PM
Beatrice by John Philip

(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/400908.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on April 22, 2008, 10:02:41 AM
Presentation At Court
(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/6104/hrhbeatricetw3.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on April 22, 2008, 06:31:05 PM
They published it, double-page, at the time of her wedding as well.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on April 22, 2008, 09:32:18 PM
They published it, double-page, at the time of her wedding as well.

How Neat !  :D   would you happen to know who the publisher was? ... GrandDuchessElla
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: gogm on April 23, 2008, 02:09:37 AM
Presentation At Court
(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/6104/hrhbeatricetw3.jpg)

Wow! When was this picture first published?  ;D
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on April 23, 2008, 09:19:13 AM
According to grandduchessella ... it was published at the time of her wedding to Henry of Battenberg.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on April 23, 2008, 11:19:09 AM
It was published, or at least re-published, in 1885 in either the Illustrated London News or the Graphic wedding issue. I have both but they're packed away so I'm not exactly sure which one it is.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on April 23, 2008, 11:26:30 AM
It was published, or at least re-published, in 1885 in either the Illustrated London News or the Graphic wedding issue. I have both but they're packed away so I'm not exactly sure which one it is.

Thanks for the info. ! :)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eddie_uk on April 23, 2008, 11:31:19 AM
Beatrice is wearing one of the serpent bracelets so beloved by her sister-in-law Queen Alexandra.

Apparently Alexandra had little time for her sisters-in-law but it would be interesting to know how she felt about Beatrice in particular.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on April 23, 2008, 01:45:53 PM
Beatrice is wearing one of the serpent bracelets so beloved by her sister-in-law Queen Alexandra.

Apparently Alexandra had little time for her sisters-in-law but it would be interesting to know how she felt about Beatrice in particular.

Alix spent most of her time with her children, especially her 2 sons and with her sister, Minnie.  She also enjoyed arranging flowers and was  very well-learned in music.  It's interesting to note that she was somewhat of an amateur photographer as well !
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on April 23, 2008, 04:30:49 PM
Many royals were amateur photographers--they had the money, the time and the events worth photographing. Alix actually went beyond most in that her photos weren't just published in a charity book but often appeared in the illustrated magazines of the day.

Beatrice was an author who wrote at least 2 books, or at least translated them. She was also a composer and a pretty good pianist.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on April 23, 2008, 06:36:29 PM
Many royals were amateur photographers--they had the money, the time and the events worth photographing. Alix actually went beyond most in that her photos weren't just published in a charity book but often appeared in the illustrated magazines of the day.

Beatrice was an author who wrote at least 2 books, or at least translated them. She was also a composer and a pretty good pianist.

How very interesting ! I'm assuming she wrote a good deal about her experience(s) at home and her life as a daughter of one of the most famous British monarchs of the day  :)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: eejm on April 23, 2008, 09:15:30 PM
Many royals were amateur photographers--they had the money, the time and the events worth photographing. Alix actually went beyond most in that her photos weren't just published in a charity book but often appeared in the illustrated magazines of the day.

Beatrice was an author who wrote at least 2 books, or at least translated them. She was also a composer and a pretty good pianist.

How very interesting ! I'm assuming she wrote a good deal about her experience(s) at home and her life as a daughter of one of the most famous British monarchs of the day  :)

Surprisingly no, unless you count her letters.  Like most of Victoria's family, Beatrice was a voluminous letter writer.  However, I don't believe any of her letters are published, with the exception of excerpts in various books. 

Beatrice wrote a charity piece called A Birthday Book when she was in her 20s.  Early in her marriage, she published a translation from German of The Adventures of Count Georg Albert of Erbach.  She did not publish her third book, In Napoleonic Days, until she was in her 80s.  The latter was also a German translation, this time of Beatrice's great-grandmother's diaries.

I believe a few of Beatrice's compositions were also published.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on April 28, 2008, 11:08:41 AM
Many royals were amateur photographers--they had the money, the time and the events worth photographing. Alix actually went beyond most in that her photos weren't just published in a charity book but often appeared in the illustrated magazines of the day.

Beatrice was an author who wrote at least 2 books, or at least translated them. She was also a composer and a pretty good pianist.

How very interesting ! I'm assuming she wrote a good deal about her experience(s) at home and her life as a daughter of one of the most famous British monarchs of the day  :)

Surprisingly no, unless you count her letters.  Like most of Victoria's family, Beatrice was a voluminous letter writer.  However, I don't believe any of her letters are published, with the exception of excerpts in various books. 

Beatrice wrote a charity piece called A Birthday Book when she was in her 20s.  Early in her marriage, she published a translation from German of The Adventures of Count Georg Albert of Erbach.  She did not publish her third book, In Napoleonic Days, until she was in her 80s.  The latter was also a German translation, this time of Beatrice's great-grandmother's diaries.

I believe a few of Beatrice's compositions were also published.

How very interesting !  thanks for sharing :)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on April 28, 2008, 11:21:14 AM
Beatrice in 1885 - not sure which wedding this was?  *  :-\ *
(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9300/1885beatriceke4.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on April 28, 2008, 01:58:00 PM
It was her own wedding and was one of those sketches published to commemorate the event. The sketch obviously had some details wrong--the tiara, the lack of her jewelled cross, etc...but that's not uncommon with sketches.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on April 28, 2008, 02:11:34 PM
It was her own wedding and was one of those sketches published to commemorate the event. The sketch obviously had some details wrong--the tiara, the lack of her jewelled cross, etc...but that's not uncommon with sketches.

Thanks for the clarification  :) ... I was wondering why it looked so different !
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on April 28, 2008, 02:12:07 PM
i have some pictures of Beatrice that i have not seen on the boards before...but i dont know if i should post them or not...
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on April 28, 2008, 02:16:15 PM
i have some pictures of Beatrice that i have not seen on the boards before...but i dont know if i should post them or not...

Are you kidding?  We all would love to see them ! :)  ...  I'm sure ;D
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Aliss_Kande on April 28, 2008, 02:50:26 PM
i have some pictures of Beatrice that i have not seen on the boards before...but i dont know if i should post them or not...

Is that a question?  POST THEM!!!!!  We love pictures!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on April 28, 2008, 06:30:00 PM
Ok
here are a few that i could find right away

Beatrice and Arthur
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/cdvportra-1207766835-14497.jpg)

this one is a bit more common
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/3294691.jpg)

Beatrice with her mother Queen Victoria

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/Queen%20Victorias%20children/beatriceandqv.jpg)

(i dont know if you guys have seen any of these before...i have more...i just have to find them on my computer and photobucket)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on April 28, 2008, 07:22:06 PM
Just a note in general, this really applies to all the threads, if a postcard/CDV/cabinet card is posted that was originally on ebay or some other sale site and the purchaser of that image (many of whom are authors) ask that the image be removed, it is the policy to do so since the owner has the copyright of that image. Similarly, if we have complaints from any authors of some of the images from various books posted here--this has happened a handful of times. It's nothing personal against any poster. Perhaps an alteration of some sort might be a compromise--adding a text like 'for the AP boards' as some do--might work. It's just that it diminishes an author's potential work if items he/she buy for a future book are no longer rare/special because they're all over the internet. At least a marking would somewhat preserve future use.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on April 29, 2008, 09:14:18 AM
Just a note in general, this really applies to all the threads, if a postcard/CDV/cabinet card is posted that was originally on ebay or some other sale site and the purchaser of that image (many of whom are authors) ask that the image be removed, it is the policy to do so since the owner has the copyright of that image. Similarly, if we have complaints from any authors of some of the images from various books posted here--this has happened a handful of times. It's nothing personal against any poster. Perhaps an alteration of some sort might be a compromise--adding a text like 'for the AP boards' as some do--might work. It's just that it diminishes an author's potential work if items he/she buy for a future book are no longer rare/special because they're all over the internet. At least a marking would somewhat preserve future use.

I totally agree with you and understand where you're coming from ... but what if the person posting such images is also a purchaser too ?
** don't they have the right to do so? If there are no prohibitions or copyright infringements involved  **
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on April 29, 2008, 09:16:31 AM
Ok
here are a few that i could find right away

Beatrice and Arthur
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/cdvportra-1207766835-14497.jpg)

this one is a bit more common
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/3294691.jpg)

Beatrice with her mother Queen Victoria

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/Queen%20Victorias%20children/beatriceandqv.jpg)

(i dont know if you guys have seen any of these before...i have more...i just have to find them on my computer and photobucket)

Awesome photos ! :)   ... I hope there are no restrictions to any of them   *  ::) *
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on April 29, 2008, 10:06:20 AM
Just a note in general, this really applies to all the threads, if a postcard/CDV/cabinet card is posted that was originally on ebay or some other sale site and the purchaser of that image (many of whom are authors) ask that the image be removed, it is the policy to do so since the owner has the copyright of that image. Similarly, if we have complaints from any authors of some of the images from various books posted here--this has happened a handful of times. It's nothing personal against any poster. Perhaps an alteration of some sort might be a compromise--adding a text like 'for the AP boards' as some do--might work. It's just that it diminishes an author's potential work if items he/she buy for a future book are no longer rare/special because they're all over the internet. At least a marking would somewhat preserve future use.

I totally agree with you and understand where you're coming from ... but what if the person posting such images is also a purchaser too ?
** don't they have the right to do so? If there are no prohibitions or copyright infringements involved  **

They only have the right if they are the purchaser of that particular image and in that case are free to do as they wish. If it's their own image, I won't be getting PMs or e-mails asking that the image be removed.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on April 29, 2008, 11:46:34 AM
sorry you guys i had no idea that people actually steal images like that and resell them on ebay.
i only collect the pictures because i make replica's of the dresses and outfits.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on April 29, 2008, 12:38:48 PM
sorry you guys i had no idea that people actually steal images like that and resell them on ebay.
i only collect the pictures because i make replica's of the dresses and outfits.

It's not so much that they're re-selling them ... some of the authors are being unreasonable * in my opinion *   I could understand if they obtained photos/images from the royal archives or something to that nature but, I mean really !  :o   

** there is software  that one can use to prevent others from copying or downloading images, it may cost a little extra **
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on April 29, 2008, 02:27:23 PM
Yea, i agree with that
so putting 'for ap board" might work?
or how about if you put the name of the seller on it? like "property of so and so?"
im just wondering cause i want to understand the rules before posting any more pictures i find
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on April 29, 2008, 08:09:41 PM
I think anyway you want to mark it would be fine.

I don't think the authors are being unreasonable--some of those Hesse and Romanov images sell for $100s--I've seen some go for over $500 for a single image. This isn't about the re-selling on ebay (that's a separate thread) so much as copyright violation and an author trying to protect a potential investment. Would you want to buy a book when you're already familiar with most of the images? It doesn't come up very often--as you can see buy the 1000s of images on the Forum--so I don't think it's a major deal the few times when a request is made. It's also not just authors--we have a few posters on here who are collectors and really don't like their purchases posted--they've been vocal about it in the past so there's no need to re-hash it.

Anyway, it was not my intent to hi-jack this thread. I think the policy is clear--if anyone has any questions, feel free to PM me.

Juno--you certainly don't need to feel guilty for saving the images for your replicas--I think we all save many, many images.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Luc on July 16, 2008, 12:40:46 PM
Is this a rare photo of Princess Beatrice ? I hope so.. :) It was taken in July 1859 at the terrace of Osborne House and is in the collection of Huis Doorn.
http://fotocollectie.huisdoorn.nl/HuDF-1107

Another photograph of Beatrice, now with her brother Affie:
http://fotocollectie.huisdoorn.nl/HuDF-1106
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Luc on August 26, 2008, 08:48:04 AM
Were any photos made of Beatrice at the coronation of King Edward VII, George V or George VI ? Did she attend these ?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on August 26, 2008, 08:52:36 AM
I believe she attended the first two, I'm not sure about GVI--she was pretty elderly by then.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 26, 2008, 02:13:48 PM

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/HU039613.jpg)

Princess Beatrice and her daughter Ena at the coronation of Edward VII and Alexandra in 1902. I think grandduchesella is right, Beatrice turned eighty just a few weaks before the coronation. I don't think she was present, during the death of her nephew George V she was already turned to a wheelchair. I've searched in the local papers that made news about the 1937 coronation but Beatrice and Louis were not mentioned during the procession. The only thing I read about the two old aunts of George VI is that Princess Juliana and her husband had a tea visit towards them just a few days after the coronation.

RN
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Luc on August 26, 2008, 04:22:46 PM
Thanks so much for your beautiful photograph of them. You're great  :)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eddie_uk on August 27, 2008, 01:46:12 AM
Wonderful picture thank you RN! I'm very suprised how slim Beatrice appears. Perhaps it was the stress of her mothers death...
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Keith on August 27, 2008, 10:49:43 AM
According to Matthew Dennison's bio of Beatrice, she was not present at the coronation, but was at Buckingham Palace to greet the King and Queen upon their return from Westminster Abbey.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Luc on August 28, 2008, 04:32:45 PM
http://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs6/beatricebritain1857-9.jpg
Is this Beatrice at George V's coronation ?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Gabriella on August 28, 2008, 05:34:20 PM
http://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs6/beatricebritain1857-9.jpg
Is this Beatrice at George V's coronation ?

Yes, it's Beatrice with her sons. The picture was made at George V's coronation.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on September 14, 2008, 09:31:14 AM
Luc--this one's for you. It's the Sohn portrait.

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/LastScanbeatricesohnw.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Luc on September 14, 2008, 09:59:27 AM
Thank you, GDella  ;) I'm glad to see it. Very nice ! Which year was it made ?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: eejm on September 14, 2008, 10:07:37 PM
Well, that's not so bad.  It isn't the best portrait of Beatrice, but it certainly isn't as awful as Dennison made it out to be.  I think Sohn's portrait of Helen of Albany is more unflattering.  Helen has a rather odd look on her face in it and her skin looks somewhat blotchy.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: imperial angel on September 20, 2008, 01:06:09 PM
I wonder why Dennison makes that portrait out to be so awful? I certainly don't think its bad either, and having read the Dennison book,recently I was curious.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Yseult on September 20, 2008, 01:32:46 PM
Luc--this one's for you. It's the Sohn portrait.

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/LastScanbeatricesohnw.jpg)

Beautiful!
The dress she wore take my breath away. I wish we could see the portrait in colour...
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Keith on September 20, 2008, 04:41:21 PM
It would be interesting to see it in color. In B&W it doesn't deserve IMO the critical remarks Dennison gave it in his book.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: imperial angel on October 02, 2008, 04:52:25 PM
Can anyone post it in color- not that that would make a huge difference, I wouldn't think. I guess the author of the book just disliked the portrait- but he certainly made many people curious about it!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 05, 2008, 03:45:19 PM
I don't think it looked awful at all. Not spectacular of course. A run of the mill royal portrait.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Rosamund on October 27, 2008, 07:34:18 AM
Dennison is not wholly critical of the portrait but of the image it presents of Beatrice at that point in her life.  He uses it as visual portrayal of the unattractive elements in the personality of Beatrice that are a result of her 'curtailment of experience.' The painting does not convey to me a young girl in her twenties. Instead I see an older and rather dejected woman.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 27, 2008, 10:58:02 AM
I would not say dejected, but colorless none the same. However the image of Beatrice as the faithful and not so clever daughter is hard to ease. Both Alice and Vicky were more brilliant in intellect and Louise more artistic than their youngest sister...
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Post by: eejm on October 27, 2008, 08:17:06 PM
I would not say dejected, but colorless none the same. However the image of Beatrice as the faithful and not so clever daughter is hard to ease. Both Alice and Vicky were more brilliant in intellect and Louise more artistic than their youngest sister...

Louise certainly was the most talented sister in the visual arts, although Vicky was also rather skilled.  I wouldn't necessarily call Louise more artistic as Beatrice, as the latter was the most musical of the sisters by far, although Helena was a somewhat decent pianist.  As for her intellectualism, Beatrice's forcibly sheltered life certainly should be considered.  Vicky and Alice were steered toward advantageous marriages and their educations guided by their capable and cultured father.  Beatrice did write three books, which shows a particular degree of intelligence. 
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Rosamund on October 28, 2008, 06:36:42 AM
I would not say dejected, but colorless none the same. However the image of Beatrice as the faithful and not so clever daughter is hard to ease. Both Alice and Vicky were more brilliant in intellect and Louise more artistic than their youngest sister...

Princess Beatrice certainly had her own gifts.  Her musical talent has been mentioned and she painted competently enough in watercolour to have some work exhibited.  Two of the books she had published were translations from the German language.

If she is to be compared unfavourably to her sisters then the whole picture of their upbringing and positions in the family has to be considered.  Beatrice grew up in a different environment from the Princess Royal and Princess Alice; the expectations were different.

I used the word dejected to describe her expression in the painting under discussion. I did not mean I considered this to be her general manner. 
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 29, 2008, 11:59:56 AM
I agree. Beatrice was always so controlled or being controlled. She did not have the rebel spirit of Louise or the social conscience of Alice. The only time she fought her mother was for her right to marry.
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Post by: grandduchessella on February 16, 2009, 01:14:41 PM
Marlene's website has some photos of Iris--including one of Marlene with the subject!

http://royalmusingsblogspotcom.blogspot.com/2009/02/photos-of-lady-iris.html

and also 2 separate articles on her and a rather strange character claiming to be related to her

http://royalmusingsblogspotcom.blogspot.com/2009/01/faux-connections.html

http://royalmusingsblogspotcom.blogspot.com/2009/02/threats.html
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Post by: alixaannencova on February 16, 2009, 02:07:40 PM
I had a good guffaw reading Lady Grania's 'legit' comments about Prussia in particular! I mean really!!! I wonder if 'Her Ladyship' ever skulks around our forum under 'another' pseudonym, trying to pick up tit bits with which to fuel her alternative life! Where on earth do these poor people come from?
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Post by: Marlene on February 16, 2009, 03:24:29 PM

The genealogical information is largely lifted from my book -as I was the first person to have complete details about the second and third marriages ...

Lady Iris Mountbatten

Lady Iris Mountbatten (1920-1982) Born 13 January 1920 London Died 1 September 1982 Toronto, Ontario, Canada Married (1) 15 February 1941 Haywards Heath D.1946 Hamilton Keyes O'Malley, son of Middleton O'Malley Keyes and Jane Byrnes Malley Born 18 October 1910 Farnborough, Hampshire Married (2) 5 May 1957 Pound Ridge, New York D.1957 Michael Bryan, son of James R. Bryan and Laura A. Neely Born 9 August 1916 Byhalia, Missisippi Died 20 August 1972 Glendale, California Married (3) 11 December 1965 Toronto William Kemp, son of Clarence Kemp and Helen Janet Ballantyne Born 10 July 1921 Toronto

At the age of sixteen, Lady Iris was a train-bearer at the coronation of King George VI. Three years earlier she had been a bridesmaid at the wedding of the Duke of Kent to Princess Marina of Greece. Her first marriage in 1941 to Captain Hamilton O'Malley ended in divorce only five years later. "If I had divorced him, it would have been okay, but for him to divorce me that was really scandalous," Lady Iris said in a 1981 interview. After the divorce, she went to America in search of work and had a string of short-lived jobs, including selling brassieres and posing for a bubble-gum advertisement. In 1947 she was arrested for passing a worthless check in a Washington D.C. store. Lady Iris was cleared of the charge, but a check by immigration officials revealed that her visitor's permit had expired and was also working in the United States illegally. After a visit to Canada, she was permitted to return to the U.S. on a permanent visa. Her second marriage, to American jazz guitarist Michael Neely Bryan, ended after only a few months but provided her with her only child. Her third marriage, to Canadian William Kemp, took place in Toronto in December 1965. Several weeks later the couple separated and, although they never divorced, Lady Iris continued to live in Toronto until her death. When Lady Iris died in 1982, no member of the Mountbatten family or British Royal family were present. Her ashes were brought to the Isle of Wight for internment in the Battenberg chapel at Whippingham Church where her grandparents had been married.

Copied from /brigitte/royal/bio/irismountbattenbio.html


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Post by: Marlene on February 16, 2009, 03:26:16 PM
Lady Iris did not descend from Pocahantas .... 

Biography for
Lady Iris Mountbatten

Birth name
Lady Iris Victoria Beatrice Grace Mountbatten
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Spouse
William Alexander Kemp (11 December 1965 - 1 September 1982) (her death)
Michael Neely Bryan (4 May 1957 - ?) (divorced) 1 child
Captain Hamilton Joseph Keyes-O Mailley' (15 February 1941 - ?) (divorced)

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Trivia
Descendant of Pocahontas.


Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: alixaannencova on February 16, 2009, 03:52:18 PM
It appears that Lady Grania has duped the King of Saudi Arabia and a member of the Bowes Lyon Clan into becoming her friends!!!! I can't 'believe' the King of Saudi Arabia has time to tap away on Facebook, but then perhaps he gets bored at night and logs on!!!

Maybe I could become her friend too, let see, what shall I call myself, Kitty Wettin or something!


OOH I have just found Lady Grania's fan club page bit too...this should be fun! Marlene...you are brilliant to have found this!!!!

I wonder why she 'fled' into exile to Malaga, I do know thats lots of dodgy characters have 'fled' there over the years....!


Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: alixaannencova on February 16, 2009, 04:42:12 PM
This Lady Grania seems to have an awful lot of friends....I found Harry Mountbatten Windsor there with a piccie of him! and then their was a Nick Mountbatten and a Joshua Mountbatten and Sophia Loren and Roger Moore and Henry Kissinger and I have only skimmed through to page nine so far!!!! I had no idea so many exulted and famous people 'used' facebook!!

 Perhaps we ought to make new thread about these characters who purport/claim kinship with RF....just to warn people that all may not be what it seems at places like Facebook!  I am not being mean and until just now I avoided facebook, just for the very reasons of people like Lady Grania! I must admit when I joined up I did contemple taking on a persona of my own and then trying to worm my way into Lady Grania's friends list...but then I got cold feet and decided against it! I did have fun trying to think of a few juicy names though for a while, you know, the type that could have baited her ladyship and those of her ilk!



Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Marlene on February 17, 2009, 03:32:19 PM
One of my BFFs outed her on her wall - and she sent me threatening emails .... so I had to block her. Joshua Mountbatten is one of her "sons."
She's done her family tree on some websitse - and could not get most things right. One of my favorite was that she says Iris and Hamilton were married in an Anglican church ... when the wedding announcement is quite specific about it being a Catholic church.  If Iris and Hammy had a daughter, she would be Miss Christian name Hamilton ...   "Grania" claims to have been born in July 1946 in France ... well, Iris and Hamilton would have separated before 1945 - he was gone for most of the year - and was a POW for a time. He remarried in January 1947  -- "Grania" had no clue about the remarriage or her "half-brothers"  which would have meant that the divorce was finalized 6 months earlier ... and the couple would have been separated for at least a year before he filed for divorce. 


It appears that Lady Grania has duped the King of Saudi Arabia and a member of the Bowes Lyon Clan into becoming her friends!!!! I can't 'believe' the King of Saudi Arabia has time to tap away on Facebook, but then perhaps he gets bored at night and logs on!!!

Maybe I could become her friend too, let see, what shall I call myself, Kitty Wettin or something!


OOH I have just found Lady Grania's fan club page bit too...this should be fun! Marlene...you are brilliant to have found this!!!!

I wonder why she 'fled' into exile to Malaga, I do know thats lots of dodgy characters have 'fled' there over the years....!



Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: imperial angel on February 17, 2009, 10:58:18 PM
Some people will do anything to have a connection to the rich and famous ( although Iris was but a minor member of the Royal Family). I wonder why Lady Grania picked Iris? Weird. She has a bit of a problem with her real identity- or alot of a problem. Did Lady Iris's son ever have children?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Marlene on February 18, 2009, 09:51:54 AM
Robin fathered at least three kids. You will find the information in my book as I was the first to publish it. He had no contact with his first two children and didn't even know the real name of the mother of the second child ....

Some people will do anything to have a connection to the rich and famous ( although Iris was but a minor member of the Royal Family). I wonder why Lady Grania picked Iris? Weird. She has a bit of a problem with her real identity- or alot of a problem. Did Lady Iris's son ever have children?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: alixaannencova on February 19, 2009, 04:39:28 AM
One of my BFFs outed her on her wall - and she sent me threatening emails .... so I had to block her. Joshua Mountbatten is one of her "sons."
She's done her family tree on some websitse - and could not get most things right. One of my favorite was that she says Iris and Hamilton were married in an Anglican church ... when the wedding announcement is quite specific about it being a Catholic church.  If Iris and Hammy had a daughter, she would be Miss Christian name Hamilton ...   "Grania" claims to have been born in July 1946 in France ... well, Iris and Hamilton would have separated before 1945 - he was gone for most of the year - and was a POW for a time. He remarried in January 1947  -- "Grania" had no clue about the remarriage or her "half-brothers"  which would have meant that the divorce was finalized 6 months earlier ... and the couple would have been separated for at least a year before he filed for divorce. 


It appears that Lady Grania has duped the King of Saudi Arabia and a member of the Bowes Lyon Clan into becoming her friends!!!! I can't 'believe' the King of Saudi Arabia has time to tap away on Facebook, but then perhaps he gets bored at night and logs on!!!

Maybe I could become her friend too, let see, what shall I call myself, Kitty Wettin or something!


OOH I have just found Lady Grania's fan club page bit too...this should be fun! Marlene...you are brilliant to have found this!!!!

I wonder why she 'fled' into exile to Malaga, I do know thats lots of dodgy characters have 'fled' there over the years....!





I wish we could 'block' her!!! Joshua Mountbatten appears to look like a vaguely mobsterish from his Facebook picture to me too!! It must run in their branch of 'their' so called family! Thank goodness we have Marlene here, otherwise we may have fallen for this hook,line and sinker.... well,okay.... maybe not entirely, but then...some of us may have pondered,wondered and considered!
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Post by: Marlene on February 19, 2009, 09:44:10 AM

Thanks.   Some years ago, I got a phone call from a man in North Carolina, who demanded to know why he and his family were not in my book - he claimed that his great great or whatever grandmother was fathered by Bertie when he was in Ireland as a teenager (where he met Nelly Clifden), and claimed the mother was the daughter of the earl of something (who lived in Ireland).    He gave me the daughter's date of birth and I thanked him ... wewll, as it turned out ... the aforementioned earl (whose title I have since forgotten) did not have any daughters, just sisters (all past menopause), and nine months before the "birth", the Prince of Wales was on a ship en route to North America.

I also get emails from people saying that their grandmother (it is always the grandmother) who was the daughter of royalty but had to come to the US, etc., etc.,and how can I find out the whole story .. well, I respond back. granny appears to be rather creative and the story is probably hogwash,

And then there is the fiction created by Frank Fitzgerald Bush who claimed that his mother was the daughter of Young Affie of Edinburgh and a Mabel Firtzgerald .. he claimed that Uncle Bertie created Irene (the daughter) as HH Princess Irene -- the date of the creation was date he created the Duff girls as princesses) ... and gave a date of birth for Mabel, which would have made her 15 or so ... but in fact, she was only 12 and nowhere near Coburg  at the time of the allleged marriage and birth - and her birth was in The Times ....  Frank never backed down - even put the "parents"on Irene's death certificate.


One of my BFFs outed her on her wall - and she sent me threatening emails .... so I had to block her. Joshua Mountbatten is one of her "sons."
She's done her family tree on some websitse - and could not get most things right. One of my favorite was that she says Iris and Hamilton were married in an Anglican church ... when the wedding announcement is quite specific about it being a Catholic church.  If Iris and Hammy had a daughter, she would be Miss Christian name Hamilton ...   "Grania" claims to have been born in July 1946 in France ... well, Iris and Hamilton would have separated before 1945 - he was gone for most of the year - and was a POW for a time. He remarried in January 1947  -- "Grania" had no clue about the remarriage or her "half-brothers"  which would have meant that the divorce was finalized 6 months earlier ... and the couple would have been separated for at least a year before he filed for divorce. 


It appears that Lady Grania has duped the King of Saudi Arabia and a member of the Bowes Lyon Clan into becoming her friends!!!! I can't 'believe' the King of Saudi Arabia has time to tap away on Facebook, but then perhaps he gets bored at night and logs on!!!

Maybe I could become her friend too, let see, what shall I call myself, Kitty Wettin or something!


OOH I have just found Lady Grania's fan club page bit too...this should be fun! Marlene...you are brilliant to have found this!!!!

I wonder why she 'fled' into exile to Malaga, I do know thats lots of dodgy characters have 'fled' there over the years....!





I wish we could 'block' her!!! Joshua Mountbatten appears to look like a vaguely mobsterish from his Facebook picture to me too!! It must run in their branch of 'their' so called family! Thank goodness we have Marlene here, otherwise we may have fallen for this hook,line and sinker.... well,okay.... maybe not entirely, but then...some of us may have pondered,wondered and considered!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Vecchiolarry on February 19, 2009, 10:24:52 AM
Hi Marlene,

Britain's "Coronation Street" had a character on it called 'Vera Duckworth' and she always very, very hush, hush told people that she was descended from "Royalty".....
It seems that Edward VII had sired her great grandmother - - Edddie and those grannys again!!!!

Once when Charles and Diana were to visit "The Street", Vera very loudly spoke about him as, "Cousin Charlie"!!!

One can only surmise that Edward VII got 'out & about' more than we know!!  Even in fiction!!

Larry
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Post by: Marlene on February 19, 2009, 01:24:27 PM
Hi Larry -- welll, if Charles and Camilla visit, Vera could say hi to Cousin Charlie and Cousin Camilla ... and Camilla's maternal grandmother may have been fathered by Edward.

Hi Marlene,

Britain's "Coronation Street" had a character on it called 'Vera Duckworth' and she always very, very hush, hush told people that she was descended from "Royalty".....
It seems that Edward VII had sired her great grandmother - - Edddie and those grannys again!!!!

Once when Charles and Diana were to visit "The Street", Vera very loudly spoke about him as, "Cousin Charlie"!!!

One can only surmise that Edward VII got 'out & about' more than we know!!  Even in fiction!!

Larry
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Vecchiolarry on February 19, 2009, 03:57:22 PM
Hi again Marlene,

Actually, poor 'Vera' died on the series earlier this year.  Quite sad really - she was quite a character!
One of her neighbours condescendingly asked whether "Vera" was going to be "buried in Westminster Abby??!!'.....

It is to laugh....

Larry
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on May 25, 2009, 08:38:16 PM
I didn't quite know where to put this since it encompasses many British royals but since it was written by Lord Leopold Mountbatten I figure here is as good a place as any. Marlene's site has a poem called Leopold's Alphabet. It's none too flattering towards many of his family but I think it's quite an interesting insight from a relatively unknown prince.

http://royalmusingsblogspotcom.blogspot.com/2009/05/leos-alphabet.html

Queen Mary comes off well, as does Thora. Princess Victoria (Toria), Mary and Louise (Princess Royal) not so much! Same for Arthur Connaught Jr. I wonder how much is true and how much is just for fun.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Svetabel on May 26, 2009, 12:31:20 AM

Queen Mary comes off well, as does Thora. Princess Victoria (Toria), Mary and Louise (Princess Royal) not so much! Same for Arthur Connaught Jr. I wonder how much is true and how much is just for fun.

I think that was how he saw them : )
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Janet Ashton on May 27, 2009, 03:40:17 PM
I didn't quite know where to put this since it encompasses many British royals but since it was written by Lord Leopold Mountbatten I figure here is as good a place as any. Marlene's site has a poem called Leopold's Alphabet. It's none too flattering towards many of his family but I think it's quite an interesting insight from a relatively unknown prince.

http://royalmusingsblogspotcom.blogspot.com/2009/05/leos-alphabet.html

Queen Mary comes off well, as does Thora. Princess Victoria (Toria), Mary and Louise (Princess Royal) not so much! Same for Arthur Connaught Jr. I wonder how much is true and how much is just for fun.

I've always had a particular interest in Leopold, though I don't know that much about him as an adult, and this poem was just hilarious! The comments on George V and sisters are spot-on, and the ones on Leopold's own mother and siblings very funny. I think he meant it for his own fun alone; I don't think the people on the receiving end would have found it very funny....:-) His view of Prince Christian was a little different to most people's, but I loved the "permanent grievance and drama at meals" of Princess Christian's household....
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: RoyalWatcher on May 31, 2009, 01:00:42 PM
I didn't quite know where to put this since it encompasses many British royals but since it was written by Lord Leopold Mountbatten I figure here is as good a place as any. Marlene's site has a poem called Leopold's Alphabet. It's none too flattering towards many of his family but I think it's quite an interesting insight from a relatively unknown prince.

That was a fun read! Thank you for posting it, grandduchessella.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 31, 2009, 01:59:52 PM
Googling i found  another wonderful advertisement of Lady Iris Mountbatten. What a beautiful woman she was!

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Post by: Marie-Mathilde on June 02, 2009, 02:08:32 PM
I too have been interested in the life of Leopold Mountbatten, especially since I read of a very odd incident concerning him in "Letters from a Prince", edited by Rupert Godfrey. I've reread the passage concerning Leopold a few times and can't quite understand what it is that he did. Anyway here's the passage if anyone is interested. Perhaps somebody might have better luck than I at guessing its meaning.

10th July 1918, the Prince of Wales writes to his mistress, Freda Dudley Ward, ... So Ali & Leo are off to India. I haven't seen the latter for ages, a curious creature I've always thought & of course he's a permanent invalid, though a very plucky one!! He went to France in August 1914 in the same battalion of 60th [King's Royal Rifles] with his brother Maurice, hoping to get killed, but of course Maurice was!!

Later in the letter the Prince writes, ... Ali & Leo's farewell dinner party must have been great fun; so Dreno was there looking as pompous as ever... he's such a conceited affected effeminate a*s is Dreno, though of course he has very bad health, not that that is any excuse!! Irene his wife is a "divine woman" & far too good for him!! ...

Anyway at the end of the letter Godfrey writes of the Mountbatten boys, Drino (the Prince of Wales spells it "Dreno"), Maurice and, particularly Leo. Here are the curious paragraphs in question (written by the editor, Godfrey, not the Prince of Wales):

The reason for Leo's trip to India is unknown, but Reggie wrote on 16 July: "We could do with him out of England". Clearly Freda criticised him for being rude about her friend, for on 6 August he wrote that Leo had let him down by giving him misleading information on a subject that Reggie had taken up with the King: "I fought his battles for him rather strenuously with the All-Highest [George V], and I fought them on the strength of his assurance to me that of his complete innocence of the charge that were made against him . . . I had hardly done so before I found out that a lot of what he told me was not strictly true . . .

"In addition he never said thank you or acknowledged in any way that I had done a certain amount to help him which I may say without conceit that I had as the All-Highest and his Private Secretary [Stamfordham] had the father and mother of a down on him at that time and he narrowly escaped being "outed into civilian life . . .

"I may say that his own mother first opened my eyes and she gave him completely away when I dined there one night to talk over his alleged iniquities . . . "


As is usual, I had to dig out my dictionary and find the definition of "iniquities". Here it is "... 1. Gross immorality or injustice; wickedness ... 2. A grossly immoral act; a sin." Wow sounds like what Leo did was pretty serious, or perhaps this Reggie is just being overly-dramatic.

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Post by: grandduchessella on June 02, 2009, 04:13:57 PM
I'm confused about the outed into civilian life part. Leopold was only in the military during WW1, not later on. Could it be someone else that is being referred to? Not having the book in front of me, it's hard to follow the passages sometimes. Who was Reggie?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Marie-Mathilde on June 02, 2009, 05:29:07 PM
Well, in the book it certainly is Reggie writing about Leo as I have just checked. Sorry if it wasn't clear when I wrote it out, but it is a long passage so I had to decide what was necessary and what was not  :-[. Reggie is Captain Reginald Seymour, Equerry to George V 1916, great admirer of Freda Dudley Ward. Perhaps he wrote this in jealousy of Freda and Leo's friendship considering he was "smitten" with her, and may have resented the admonishment received from her with regards to him being rude about Leo.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Marlene on June 04, 2009, 02:31:18 PM



Oh, I think "outed into civilian life" is an euphemisim for something quite else.  Lord Leopold was a hemophiliac, but managed to get into the military regardless, even though he really could not serve.   As for the Prince of Wales, he was hardly in a position to talk about immoral considering his own liife - and how he pitched a fit when his youngest brother died.
I'm confused about the outed into civilian life part. Leopold was only in the military during WW1, not later on. Could it be someone else that is being referred to? Not having the book in front of me, it's hard to follow the passages sometimes. Who was Reggie?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on June 04, 2009, 04:26:30 PM
Were there rumors regarding Leo? The only romantic tales, of any sort, I've heard of involved his attachment to his cousin Beatrice. Did Leo move around in society much--was he well-known in his day? It seems like the only references to him involve his hemophilia but he lived past 30 so he must have been doing something despite the infirmity of his leg.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Keith on June 04, 2009, 08:04:18 PM
It also mentions in the book that when he returned from India, his mother was none to happy about him coming back to England.

Beatrice instructed Reggie to write to Leo and tell him not to come home, even though his hosts weren't keen on wanting him to stay. (pg 130).
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on June 05, 2009, 08:54:36 AM
I wonder why she wasn't happy about it? Some bios have suggested Beatrice wasn't very maternal but was it that or was she worried that his health would be worse in a colder climate?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Marlene on June 05, 2009, 01:25:19 PM
He certainly attended social events and is oft-mentioned in the Court Circular.  He retiired from the military in 1920. I think there is something to be said about the three Battenberg sons of Beatrice ...

Were there rumors regarding Leo? The only romantic tales, of any sort, I've heard of involved his attachment to his cousin Beatrice. Did Leo move around in society much--was he well-known in his day? It seems like the only references to him involve his hemophilia but he lived past 30 so he must have been doing something despite the infirmity of his leg.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Keith on June 05, 2009, 08:21:43 PM
I wonder why she wasn't happy about it? Some bios have suggested Beatrice wasn't very maternal but was it that or was she worried that his health would be worse in a colder climate?

This is just my interpretation on it, but I took it to be that something must have happened and he was sent to India to be out of the country until things blew over, and returned earlier than planned, and that annoyed Beatrice. From what little is in the letters in the book, I don't think her annoyance had anything to due with health concerns. But again, just my take.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on June 05, 2009, 09:08:02 PM
He certainly attended social events and is oft-mentioned in the Court Circular.  He retiired from the military in 1920. I think there is something to be said about the three Battenberg sons of Beatrice ...

Were there rumors regarding Leo? The only romantic tales, of any sort, I've heard of involved his attachment to his cousin Beatrice. Did Leo move around in society much--was he well-known in his day? It seems like the only references to him involve his hemophilia but he lived past 30 so he must have been doing something despite the infirmity of his leg.

Thanks Marlene. I've always been interested in the less well-known members of the British royal family. Little snippets like this that pop up are really interesting, I think.

Keith--thanks for your take. I've seen excerpts from the book but I think I'm going to have to get it from the library!

I have this picture from an old magazine. It states it is Beatrice walking with Leopold. Can anyone confirm that it's him? It looks a bit like Alexander but I'm not familiar enough with pictures of Leo towards the end of his life to tell if this could be him or not.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/britain/Picture272leobeat.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Svetabel on June 05, 2009, 11:44:23 PM




I have this picture from an old magazine. It states it is Beatrice walking with Leopold. Can anyone confirm that it's him? It looks a bit like Alexander but I'm not familiar enough with pictures of Leo towards the end of his life to tell if this could be him or not.



Actually he looks like Alexander.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Keith on June 06, 2009, 08:43:57 PM
I was taking a look at the letters again, and when it mentions Leo being off to India, it is July 1918 and just realized the Duke of Windsor mentions a farewell party for him. Not sure he would have been given a farewell party if the purpose was to get him out of the country quickly. Also when it mentions his return that letter is dated Jan 1919. 

There is a picture of Alexander in the book "Relatively Royal" at his cousin George's funeral, and he is in profile, and it looks the same profile to me as in the picture with Beatrice.  

I also checked in Matthew Dennison bio of Beatrice to see if anything mentioned, and he only mentions that after the war Leo returned to live with Beatrice at Kensington Palace. I don't know if that means the trip had anything to due with the war or not.

Also mentioned is a trip Ena made to see Leo in 1909 when he was reported to be seriously ill and that The Tatler printed a picture of all 4 children taken the year before. By any chance has anyone seen this?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on June 06, 2009, 09:26:17 PM
It could be this one. It was published in The Graphic around that time:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/britain/Picture335a.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Keith on June 07, 2009, 08:26:14 PM
Thank you.

I always enjoy seeing photos of the different grandchildren together as adults, as you don't see that as much as when they were children.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Carisbrooke on September 28, 2009, 03:32:56 AM
Princess Beatrice wedding photo locations

(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8314/dscn0383.jpg)

(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1107/dscn0378h.jpg)

(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6813/dscn0403t.jpg)

Details to follow
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Carisbrooke on September 28, 2009, 04:03:07 AM
I suppose this is an off-shoot from my search for alexandra locations on the isle of wight, But I think it is more suited to this thread. I did my best to manoeuvre myself into exactly the same position as the original compositions. For those who do not own the relevant books I refer to my apologies in advance, but I do not have a scanner.

PHOTO 1    The guests assemble
LOCATION    Osbourne house, what is now the terrace garden restaurant.
REF             Queen victoria's family, charlotte zeepvat, page 34.

PHOTO 2     The wedding day
LOCATION    Osbourne house, drawing room window, left.
REF              The last princess, matthew dennison, 1st set of plates, last but one photo.

PHOTO 3      The church
LOCATION     St. mildred's church, whippingham.
REF               I could'nt find a comparison photo for this in any of my books, however there is a lovely colour print of the church on the wici site. 
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 29, 2009, 01:58:01 PM
What beautiful photos! The one that she is carrying the umbrella is very nice. She was very
elegant. :-)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Carisbrooke on September 30, 2009, 06:51:27 AM
Yes I agree young kaiserin, very elegant. Although princess beatrice is one of my favourite royals, alexandra is most definitely the star in this photo.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Marlene on October 02, 2009, 02:52:16 PM


The outing of "lady Grania"
http://royalmusingsblogspotcom.blogspot.com/


One of my BFFs outed her on her wall - and she sent me threatening emails .... so I had to block her. Joshua Mountbatten is one of her "sons."
She's done her family tree on some websitse - and could not get most things right. One of my favorite was that she says Iris and Hamilton were married in an Anglican church ... when the wedding announcement is quite specific about it being a Catholic church.  If Iris and Hammy had a daughter, she would be Miss Christian name Hamilton ...   "Grania" claims to have been born in July 1946 in France ... well, Iris and Hamilton would have separated before 1945 - he was gone for most of the year - and was a POW for a time. He remarried in January 1947  -- "Grania" had no clue about the remarriage or her "half-brothers"  which would have meant that the divorce was finalized 6 months earlier ... and the couple would have been separated for at least a year before he filed for divorce. 


It appears that Lady Grania has duped the King of Saudi Arabia and a member of the Bowes Lyon Clan into becoming her friends!!!! I can't 'believe' the King of Saudi Arabia has time to tap away on Facebook, but then perhaps he gets bored at night and logs on!!!

Maybe I could become her friend too, let see, what shall I call myself, Kitty Wettin or something!


OOH I have just found Lady Grania's fan club page bit too...this should be fun! Marlene...you are brilliant to have found this!!!!

I wonder why she 'fled' into exile to Malaga, I do know thats lots of dodgy characters have 'fled' there over the years....!



Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Carisbrooke on December 08, 2009, 06:55:55 AM

(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/919/dscn0405x.jpg)

Here is the new princess beatrice memorial garden at carisbrooke castle, my castle, ..........I wish. The garden was opened in june this year, that was one month before this picture was taken. It was created by chris beardshaw, a well known UK garden designer & TV presenter.

The edwardian type garden is a great addition to the castle, & will get even better as it matures. It's a wonderful tribute to a loyal, dedicated, and most underrated lady. Well done to all concerned in its creation.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 08, 2009, 04:21:59 PM
Thanks for showing it. It is very beautiful. Would be good to visit the castle in Summer to see it !
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 29, 2009, 01:10:18 PM
Is a lovely place and looks that is a place where you can have a calmed day ;-)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 29, 2009, 02:18:31 PM
Yes. I passed through Osborne Cottage near Osborne House when I visited the place.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Margot on February 05, 2010, 07:36:42 PM
Help!

I am trying to find a poem which I believe was written by Lord Leopold Mountbatten about members of the RF and was done in an A to Z style! It was posted on the forum somewhere ages ago....but I can't find it now!

I may be quite wrong about Leopold writing the poem....can anyone help point me in the right direction here! The poem was rather witty but in places I recall it was rather biting and a tad cruel!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on February 05, 2010, 09:59:02 PM
Look no further than post #75 on the previous page of this thread. : )  Last year I had posted a link to Marlene's blog which had the poem.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Margot on February 05, 2010, 10:00:42 PM
Many thanks Ella...can't believe I missed it!

It really was very sharp and personal! Very revealing in a strange sort of way too!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on February 05, 2010, 10:02:13 PM
I really enjoyed it--which is why I'd posted the link originally. So little is known of the prince considering he lived into adulthood. Perhaps he could be considered a 'Lost Prince'.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Margot on February 06, 2010, 12:42:14 AM
It really is quite acid in tone! I can't believe he thought my favourite Princess' was 'yellow' and her talk was 'insane'!

I have re-read it and do wander about why Leo thought Arthur C. was a sh*t! It seems rather startling!

I also found his catty remarks about Toria very tantalizing!

I remember Queen Margerethe II talking about the cat Toria engraved on a window with a diamond which had a mouth like a cat's bottom! So maybe there was something in what Leo was saying about spite! Fascinating!

Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Kalafrana on February 06, 2010, 10:05:13 AM
I am puzzled too about the remarks on Arthur of Connaught, who from all I know of him (another of these not terrribly well-known royalties) was a decent if unexciting fellow. He served in the latter stages of the South African War as an ordinary officer in the 7th Hussars (he was born in 1883 and went out to South Africa in 1901 as soon as he passed out from Sandhurst), and then on the staff in WW1, so I fail to see what made him 'a prince without grit'. Perhaps Leopold Mountbatten just didn't like him.

Ann
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Janet Ashton on February 06, 2010, 10:38:37 AM
I am puzzled too about the remarks on Arthur of Connaught, who from all I know of him (another of these not terrribly well-known royalties) was a decent if unexciting fellow. He served in the latter stages of the South African War as an ordinary officer in the 7th Hussars (he was born in 1883 and went out to South Africa in 1901 as soon as he passed out from Sandhurst), and then on the staff in WW1, so I fail to see what made him 'a prince without grit'. Perhaps Leopold Mountbatten just didn't like him.

Ann

Perhaps it refers to Arthur's reputation for having offered to beat his cousin Charlie up if the kid didn't accept the throne of Coburg in his stead? :-) Could have been part of a pattern....Anyway, being a bit of a bully as a child is the one thing I know of Arthur which caused some people to look askance. Leopold was the right age to have been a victim.
Incidentally, of course, among their cousins the Battenbergs themselves were FAR from universally popular. I've never heard of anyone who didn;t like Leopold, but his brother "Drino" was known throughout life for pomposity and self-importance, and Ena also seems to have been inclined that way as a young girl, to the extent hat her Uncle Louis's kids were amused when they heard that Drino and Ena had had to ride in a procession in a position they would have considered beneath them.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Kalafrana on February 06, 2010, 11:18:46 AM
'Perhaps it refers to Arthur's reputation for having offered to beat his cousin Charlie up if the kid didn't accept the throne of Coburg in his stead? :-) Could have been part of a pattern....Anyway, being a bit of a bully as a child is the one thing I know of Arthur which caused some people to look askance. Leopold was the right age to have been a victim.'

Possibly, though there was some discussion on another thread on whether the beating-up story was actually true. At any rate, it's the only thing I know to Arthur's detriment. What makes you say that he was a bit of a bully in childhood? (Just asking politely for a source.)

Turning to Maurice of Battenberg, I wonder where the idea developed that he too was a haemophiliac? That he went through Wellington (famous as a very tough school) and then Sandhurst is very powerful evidence that he wasn't. All I can think of (and this is pure speculation) is that if he bled to death on being hit someone may have jumped to conclusions, forgotting that it is common enough for people to bleed to death from gunshot wounds without immediate and expert medical attention, and would have been still more common in the days before blood transfusions (which were only available in WW1 on a pretty experimental basis).

Ann
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Post by: grandduchessella on February 06, 2010, 01:15:08 PM
I am puzzled too about the remarks on Arthur of Connaught, who from all I know of him (another of these not terrribly well-known royalties) was a decent if unexciting fellow. He served in the latter stages of the South African War as an ordinary officer in the 7th Hussars (he was born in 1883 and went out to South Africa in 1901 as soon as he passed out from Sandhurst), and then on the staff in WW1, so I fail to see what made him 'a prince without grit'. Perhaps Leopold Mountbatten just didn't like him.

Ann

Perhaps it refers to Arthur's reputation for having offered to beat his cousin Charlie up if the kid didn't accept the throne of Coburg in his stead? :-) Could have been part of a pattern....Anyway, being a bit of a bully as a child is the one thing I know of Arthur which caused some people to look askance. Leopold was the right age to have been a victim.
Incidentally, of course, among their cousins the Battenbergs themselves were FAR from universally popular. I've never heard of anyone who didn;t like Leopold, but his brother "Drino" was known throughout life for pomposity and self-importance, and Ena also seems to have been inclined that way as a young girl, to the extent hat her Uncle Louis's kids were amused when they heard that Drino and Ena had had to ride in a procession in a position they would have considered beneath them.

There was also some tension between the Connaughts and Battenbergs shown in letters between Arthur Sr and his sister Louise. This seems to have been a result of the preferred status with QV. Arthur Sr indicated he felt his children were given a little short shrift for the Battenbergs. Could have just been some venting between siblings or part of a larger pattern of behavior.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Margot on February 06, 2010, 06:49:34 PM
Now I am completely hooked and intrigued!

Marlene may know more about Arthur Junior's proclivities etc! Reading tha poem gives Leo's character a tad more depth and colour I feel! It has to be one of the unusual pieces of writing ever to come out of the family during that period! Even if it was written in jest, some of the descriptions do have an air of truth IMHO! No one can deny that Helen Albany could have been compared to a tank post 1917 can they?

I sense a good dose of humour as well as the obvious mockery! It creates a fascinating impression of how Leo may have felt about the RF in general too! Rather humanizes them to me!

It is interesting to speculate when Leo mentions Ena's sanity too! Perhaps it reveals a deeper meaning than merely in reference to her industrious fecundity!

I am really quite enthralled by this poem as you may be able to tell!

Did he write any others?
 
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Janet Ashton on February 07, 2010, 04:42:36 AM
'Perhaps it refers to Arthur's reputation for having offered to beat his cousin Charlie up if the kid didn't accept the throne of Coburg in his stead? :-) Could have been part of a pattern....Anyway, being a bit of a bully as a child is the one thing I know of Arthur which caused some people to look askance. Leopold was the right age to have been a victim.'

Possibly, though there was some discussion on another thread on whether the beating-up story was actually true. At any rate, it's the only thing I know to Arthur's detriment. What makes you say that he was a bit of a bully in childhood? (Just asking politely for a source.)



:-D :-D :-D
 - It's essentially the beating up story that makes me characterize him thus: that he would use physical threats to get his own way. Though of course, I seriously doubt that's the reason Charles accepted anyway. I've no idea if it really happened or not as I don't recall where the story originated, but I suppose it's possible that Arthur might still have made such a threat without being aware that Charles was bound to do as his elders wished already.

As per GDElla's post, they all probably carried some issues around from childhood, when QV openly favoured Beatrice's offspring, but had Arthur's there with her too while he was abroad and went so far to write to A in India that his elder children were very happy living with Beatrice!!! Even the dutiful Arthur had some complaints about that comment!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Kalafrana on February 07, 2010, 06:29:42 AM
I will dig out my copy of Alice of Athlone's book and see if the beating-up story is in there. If it isn't, it doesn't necessarily prove that it isn't true, because Alice was not in the habit of saying anything condemnatory about her relations. She was obviously fond of Arthur senior, though she admits he was rather clumsy - he kept falling off his penny farthing and was not very good at shooting.

Mind you, it's always possible that the beating-up threat was of the jokey kind.

Ann
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Margot on February 07, 2010, 06:51:06 AM
Don't mention Arthur Senior and a Purdey in the same breath!  Good god where is you sensitivity! Only joking Ann!
Just couldn't resist...am feeling rather naughty sorry!

Any back on topic.......I am not entirely convinced that Aiice B. didn't perhaps sometimes have a wee grumble about the odd member of her family! After all she was human! We all do it! Whether intentionally or nor!

Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Kalafrana on February 07, 2010, 07:01:31 AM
Interesting that Arthur senior, a good military man otherwise, was downright dangerous to be around with a shotgun.

Alice of Athlone was indeed human but I don't think she would say anything condemnatory about her relations in a book meant for public consumption. She did have a robust style in private, however. According to Theo Aronson's biography, she described the 2nd Duke of Connaught as 'soft in the head'.

Ann
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Margot on February 07, 2010, 08:02:19 AM
Oooh sorry I got my Alices in a tangle there! You were referring to Alice A. I see...sorry...ooooops!

Now Alice A...yes I gather she did not mince her words in private

Sir Alan Lascelles seems to have corroborated any 'soft headed' observations that Alice A. may have made about Alastair Connaught! I quite agree that the Countess of Athlone did not, nor  would she have wished to have seen or encouraged her laundry to have been washed in public!

Doubtless, her comment about Alastair was confided because not only was he dead, but so were his parent and aunt and he left no legitimate issue! Therefore, perhaps Alice A felt able to talk about him without fear of hurtful and immediate offence! As the present Duke of Fife was not even fourteen when Alastair died the only first cousin who may reasonable have been presumed to have known Alastair in a familiar way would have been Alexander Ramsay, I do not wonder why Alice A let the discretionary veil slip on this particular occasion! (I do loathe the way 'offence' is considered incorrectly spelled on auto spell check here! That is offensive to me as an English speaking native and I know my written English is in no way near perfect, but nevertheless I wish the spell check would be a little more considerate of the origins of the American-English language and the mother tongue from which it was spawned!)May one turn the auto spell check thingy off here? It is most irritating when one writes 'colour' and the like, as one then has to put up with those horrid wiggly red lines under perfectly spelt english words spelled the English way! Goodness I must sound like such a witch!

Oh Heavens...sorry I went frightfully off thread here.....I forgot where I was as I thought I was in the discussion forum pontificating away in one of the threads there....I am really sorry about that!

Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Kalafrana on February 08, 2010, 03:25:50 AM
I've had a look at Alice's book and there is no mention of the beating-up threat. She says that Arthur senior did not want to disrupt his military career in Britain (bear in mind he was not yet 50 at the time and, I have read, had ambitions of becoming Commander in Chief of the British Army, as the Duke of Cambridge had been). According to Alice, he was also reluctant to take on the Coburg finances, 'which were in some disarray'.

Looking at Alice's book in general, she was quite trenchant about some of her dead relations (the Empress Frederick, for example). By the time she was writing in the 1960s, Arthur of Connaught was long dead, so she might have mentioned the beating-up threat if only as a joke (she tells plenty of funny stories about her relations). She doesn't say much about Young Arthur, though they were the same age, but she is much more talkative about her girl cousins than the boys.

Marie Louise doesn't mention it either.

Since Marlene has written a book about Queen Victoria's grandchildren, she will probably know more.

Ann
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Janet Ashton on February 08, 2010, 01:11:19 PM
I've had a look at Alice's book and there is no mention of the beating-up threat.

I looked for my copy of Charlotte Zeepvat's "Cradle to Crown", but can't find it at present. She may have included something about this tale in one of her books because of course she wrote about Charles's father, and I have heard her say in talks that she doesn't warm to Arthur for picking on one of her favourite family! I don't think she was 100% serious though....
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Margot on February 08, 2010, 04:44:34 PM
I know this the Battenberg thread......but I am beginning to really ponder the issue of the throne of Saxe Coburg! I do wonder had been Leopold A. been alive at the time of Affie Snr's death if the outcome would have completely different! I know it is pure speculation but I muse over whether or not QV and Leo A himself would have reacted had Arthur Snr and Jnr had cried off doing their duty to Coburg and left him to uproot and move instead of his teenage son!

It is most interesting to consider 'what ifs' but hardly useful...sorry I just couldn't help adding my thoughts here! Maybe it had something to do with Arthur Snr. pleading his case to his mother....as he was apparently her favourite child wasn't he? Was there anyone to speak up for Charlie Albany!

 
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on February 08, 2010, 05:05:19 PM
His mother, Helen, who was no slouch. I don't feel as much sympthy for CE as perhaps is warranted. I would think that uprooting Arthur Sr from his lifelong military career--and keeping in mind how long he lived, what agony, with that background, being in Germany during WW1 and the beginning of WW2 would have been. Neither do I think causing a whole branch to potentially uproot to Germany since the father would've been alive in this case was worth it. I think the most practical approach was to pick CE. He certainly benefited financially and in terms of prestige more than he ever would have as the Duke of Albany. I know the arguments about emotional trauma and split-loyalties but do we know how much of that is true and how much is revisionist history via his sister's memoirs? Alice certainly tried to burnish somewhat his Nazi-tained reputation in later years, though I don't doubt that he felt his English ties. I just question how deeply torn he actually was. He was a young teenager when he went to Germany and spent the majority of his life there. There was some document I saw once online that basically said that had CE not had sons, the inheritance would have defaulted back to Arthur's branch. As for Leopold, given how he chafed under QV's thumb and yearned for greater freedom, perhaps he would've welcomed the Dukedom and the relative independence that accompanied it.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Kalafrana on February 09, 2010, 03:51:36 AM
I do feel rather sorry for Charles Edward, as he was put in a totally impossible position by the First World War. Up until then he had indeed benefitted from being Duke of Coburg. I have mixed feelings about his Nazi period. He doesn't sound a strong character, and in all the circumstances was easy meat for the Nazis when they set out to cultivate the old ruling class.

Ann
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on February 09, 2010, 04:03:39 PM
I would check out the thread on CE or the thread on royals and Nazis--he was way more involved (and apparently happy to be so) than many German royals of the period.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on February 09, 2010, 09:53:24 PM
Yeah, from what i heard Charlie of Albany was a very big Nazi supporter, more so than most of his German relatives at this time.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Carisbrooke on April 12, 2010, 01:45:35 AM
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7203/dscn0488copy.jpg)

PRINCESS BEATRICE WEDDING PHOTO LOCATIONS : UPDATE

All now with original photographs & prints
   -osborne, terrace garden.       (hughes & mullins)
   -osborne, drawing room window.     (royal archives)
   -whippingham church.     (illustrated london news)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eddie_uk on April 12, 2010, 02:17:15 PM
Thank you Carisbrook, for posting those fascinating photos!! I love the comparison between then & now. It's so interesting to imagine them standing on those very spots!!!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eddie_uk on April 12, 2010, 02:22:12 PM
Looking at the present day Drawing Room window I feel it looks rather sad & empty! Sad to think that once it was a busy much loved household with servants bustling around & guests coming and going. I guess we are all just footsteps on the sands of time.......
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Carisbrooke on April 13, 2010, 07:02:58 AM
   Of course the house is still looked after by English Heritage, and it was a shame the royals had to let it go. I think it would have made an excellent holiday home for our present queen.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            When I visited the church last july it was being refurbished inside, so I could not gain access.
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Post by: Eddie_uk on April 13, 2010, 11:03:08 AM
I am longing to visit and know I would thoroughly enjoy it. I have a booklet about the Church and there certainly are some interesting objects within. Just looking at he pews and imagining the Royal Family sitting there as Princess Beatrice uttered her vows would be interesting enough!!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eddie_uk on April 21, 2010, 03:03:46 PM
These are extremely interesting....

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=23691

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=6376

I think between Beatrice, Helena & Helena Victoria there was a very strong resemblance.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 21, 2010, 06:35:24 PM
Yes...Also to their mother/grandmother Queen Victoria.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 26, 2010, 09:17:54 AM
Beatrice and brother Arthur



(http://i42.tinypic.com/2db0wzl.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 26, 2010, 10:41:29 AM
2 more

(http://i42.tinypic.com/155gugo.jpg)

With nephew Wilhelm

(http://i42.tinypic.com/r93036.jpg)
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Post by: royal_netherlands on April 26, 2010, 04:05:25 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/PhilipAlexiusdeLszl.jpg)

The colour-version of the beautiful DE LÁSZLÓ portrait of Princess Beatrice, she was the last child of Queen Victoria to die in 1944.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 27, 2010, 12:03:21 PM
Elegant Beatrice

(http://i41.tinypic.com/4llic0.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 27, 2010, 06:06:13 PM
Thanks for finding a colour photo of the portrait by De Lazslo. Even books only have it without colour. It is really glorious !  :)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 07, 2010, 02:29:54 PM
As a girl
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/Beatrice.jpg)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/BabyBeatriz.jpg)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/Beatriz.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 07, 2010, 02:32:33 PM
Her wedding
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/BeatrizWed.jpg)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/WeddingGown.jpg)
Reading
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/YoungBeatrice.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 07, 2010, 02:37:28 PM
With her mother
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/BV.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eddie_uk on June 07, 2010, 02:39:42 PM
I love that picture - but I always think the umbrella looks a bit odd! Maybe it was taken outdoors..  :-\
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 07, 2010, 03:30:17 PM
Yes.l It showed a daughter's devotion to her mother. QV was no doubt pleased.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Carisbrooke on June 08, 2010, 01:53:04 AM
   I think it's a staged shot, maybe with a hint of allergory.       "I will protect you"   
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Kalafrana on June 08, 2010, 05:36:23 AM
'I love that picture - but I always think the umbrella looks a bit odd! Maybe it was taken outdoors..'

To judge by the wall, it was outside, perhaps at Balmoral.

Ann
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Post by: Carisbrooke on June 08, 2010, 07:10:01 AM
Ann-    Balmoral would be my guess too, though I still think it looks like a studio indoor shoot.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 08, 2010, 07:24:57 AM
A nice and bigger version opf that one courtesy of Mr P. Frecker.

(http://i49.tinypic.com/25gv6g9.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 08, 2010, 01:40:50 PM
One of the few that showed the Queen smiling.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 08, 2010, 01:57:16 PM
Princess Beatrice
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/PrincesaBeatriz.jpg)
Mother and daughter
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/VictoriaBeatriz.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 08, 2010, 02:18:34 PM
The miniture is very lovely !  :)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 08, 2010, 03:31:10 PM
It's one of the most lovely paintings that I've seen of her
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 08, 2010, 03:39:48 PM
I agree. She looked divine.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: rosieposie on June 08, 2010, 07:09:22 PM
I read the book about Beatrice and there was a quote saying she outlived 6 of her 10 bridesmaids.

Just wondering who the bridesmaids were of her wedding.  I know Alix was one of them but just wondering who the other nine were?
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Post by: Keith on June 08, 2010, 09:30:17 PM
Her bridesmaids were all her neices. The ones she outlived - Princess Louise (1867-1931), Princess Victoria (1868-1935), Princess Maud (1869-1938), Princess Alix (1872-1918), Princess Marie (1875-1938), Princess Victoria Melita (1876-1936) and Princess Alexandra (1878-1942). Those that outlived her Princess Irene (1866-1953), Princess Helena Victoria (1870-1948) and Princess Marie Louise (1872-1956).

If I got it right, she outlived 7 of the 10.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 09, 2010, 07:37:02 AM
Henry, Beatrice`s husband

(http://i49.tinypic.com/oruown.jpg)

Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 09, 2010, 09:39:26 AM
He was very handsome. No wonder Beatrice fell for him.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: rosieposie on June 10, 2010, 12:24:50 AM
Yes indeed they made a beautiful couple.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 10, 2010, 09:48:15 AM
Too bad Beatrice lost her husband so early... :(
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 10, 2010, 02:23:16 PM
Beatrice as a girl
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/VictorianLadies/Beatrice3.jpg)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/VictorianLadies/Beatrice2.jpg)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/VictorianLadies/Beatrice.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 10, 2010, 02:28:05 PM
I also think that Prince Henry was a very handsome man :-0
Here a photo of him of the year of his wedding
Is a real pity that he died very young
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/VictorianLadies/HenryBattenberg.jpg)
Young Beatrice and her mother
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/VictorianLadies/YoungBeatrice.jpg)
Having breakfast with her mother, sister Helena and some indian servants
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/VictorianLadies/Betrice4.jpg)
Courtesy: avictorian
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 10, 2010, 02:29:44 PM
Beatrice and her kids

(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk70/Stella_sabata/Ena1895.jpg)
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Post by: Eddie_uk on June 10, 2010, 03:42:17 PM

Having breakfast with her mother, sister Helena and some indian servants
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/VictorianLadies/Betrice4.jpg)
Courtesy: avictorian

I thought this was Thora and Beatrice has her back to the camera? Or is that Helena's back? :)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 10, 2010, 03:43:32 PM
looks like Thora to me.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: rosieposie on June 10, 2010, 06:14:33 PM
Nice pics Katenka :-)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 11, 2010, 08:56:29 AM
Indeed. However I read Princess Beatrice was not close to her kids. I wonder why ?  ???
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 11, 2010, 08:59:47 AM
All of her kids? i read  that Maurice was her favorite since he looked a lot like his father.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 11, 2010, 09:04:50 AM
Yes, they became closer to QV interestingly. They were also not close to their cousins (Prince Louis's children). Hugo Vickers indicated that Princess Alice though Ena was rather pompous.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: rosieposie on June 12, 2010, 04:40:24 AM
Indeed. However I read Princess Beatrice was not close to her kids. I wonder why ?  ???

I read it was beacause she was the youngest as a child,  her older sibilings were to busy preparing for adult hood and marriage.   Hence not being around children as she was growing up she just could handle looking after kids.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 12, 2010, 08:10:13 AM
Yes. Unlike Vicky & Alice who learned early to take care of their siblings.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on June 12, 2010, 10:11:17 PM
Indeed. However I read Princess Beatrice was not close to her kids. I wonder why ?  ???

I read it was beacause she was the youngest as a child,  her older sibilings were to busy preparing for adult hood and marriage.   Hence not being around children as she was growing up she just could handle looking after kids.

I think it was also established in biographies that because her life revolved around her mother, it didn't leave much time for her children or for her to truly bond with them. I think relations were better after 1901 but by then they were beginning to move out of childhood, certainly young childhood.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 14, 2010, 09:33:37 AM
Yes. It gave them more freedom than the previous generation where QV held the emotional lock on her children.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 14, 2010, 09:41:45 AM
Beatrice and her boys

(http://i36.tinypic.com/1iny92.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 14, 2010, 03:10:15 PM
Medal about Princess Beatrice and Henry's marriage
Click here (http://www.medalsoftheworld.com/Quickstart/ImageLib/PA210020_(2).JPG)
The Wedding
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Palace/BandH.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 15, 2010, 07:53:53 AM
Beatrice and baby Ena

(http://i40.tinypic.com/p1wg5.jpg)
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Post by: Eddie_uk on June 15, 2010, 12:09:42 PM
Thank you Katenka!! I love Princess Beatrices hair in that one. I think it was Marie Mallet who wrote that Beatrice was not very maternal, when one of her sons was ill...
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 15, 2010, 03:24:14 PM
Not sure if it's alredy here, Princess Beatrice as Queen Elizabeth I
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/BetriceAsEI.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 15, 2010, 03:52:30 PM
Thank you Katenka!! I love Princess Beatrices hair in that one. I think it was Marie Mallet who wrote that Beatrice was not very maternal, when one of her sons was ill...

Danke!! i like that image too, she looks so sweet with little Ena!!

Her another of her with an awesome hairdo, this time with little Alexander

(http://i37.tinypic.com/29ntslh.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Keith on June 15, 2010, 07:24:54 PM
Group photo taken at the same time as the photo with Ena.

Drino, Queen Victoria, Ena, Henry, Beatrice with Leopold

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c256/fajack/Royal%20photos/QVandBattenbergs1889.jpg)
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Post by: XJaseyRaeX on June 16, 2010, 01:05:18 AM
I'm liking the picture of Beatrice as Elizabeth I! i never saw that one before! thanks for posting it!
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Post by: THERRY on June 16, 2010, 05:46:59 AM
Thanks all of You for posting these photos  ::)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Lindelle on June 16, 2010, 05:50:51 AM
Group photo taken at the same time as the photo with Ena.

Drino, Queen Victoria, Ena, Henry, Beatrice with Leopold

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c256/fajack/Royal%20photos/QVandBattenbergs1889.jpg)


I actually think that's the nicest picture of QV I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on June 16, 2010, 05:53:42 AM
I actually think that's the nicest picture of QV I've ever seen.

I agree, it's nice, she sits there just like any grandmother. It must be one of the very few pictures where she is not the obvious centre of attention.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 16, 2010, 09:05:01 AM
Queen Victoria, Beatrice and family having a breakfast . The watermark is from a forum where i moderate and i own that copy

(http://i43.tinypic.com/2eknac7.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 16, 2010, 09:42:38 AM
Lucky you. It is a nice copy.  :)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eddie_uk on June 16, 2010, 10:45:53 AM
I think the room they are seated in is where the Windsor Castle fired started? Or a room close to it?

I love the Indian servants either side of the wonderful Queen!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 16, 2010, 10:54:51 AM
QV was fond of her Indian servants.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Douglas on June 16, 2010, 02:12:12 PM
I think the room they are seated in is where the Windsor Castle fired started? Or a room close to it?

I love the Indian servants either side of the wonderful Queen!

The fire at Windsor Castle started in the Private Chapel on November 20th 1992. The fire was ignited when a spotlight came into continuous contact with a curtain. The fire raged for nearly fifteen hours to the horror of the British nation. Members of the Royal family were present and made every effort to help the fire fighters and keep the Public informed of the changing situation.

The devastation caused by the Windsor fire was truly horrendous. Over 100 rooms over an area were damaged or destroyed by the fire, approximately one-fifth of
the Castle area including a vast part of the upper ward of Windsor Castle, including St. George's hall. During 1992 - 1997 a significant amount of repair work was conducted following the Windsor Castle Fire at a cost of Ł37 million. The money was raised at no cost to the taxpayer
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eddie_uk on June 16, 2010, 02:45:41 PM
QV was fond of her Indian servants.

Was she really? I had no idea.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 16, 2010, 03:11:44 PM
There are a pair of photos of the Queen with her servants from India but I think that not neccesary she loved them... Did she?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Veronica on June 16, 2010, 06:23:44 PM
Queen Victoria was very fond of Abdul Karim, her "munshi", which means secretary. She even gave him land and orders.
Abdul Karim was from India and was brought to England to serve the Queen for her Golden Jubilee in 1887.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: rosieposie on June 16, 2010, 06:46:53 PM
I do love that pic of Beatrice as Elizabeth the I.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on June 16, 2010, 07:10:54 PM
Re Reply 240:  To add a bit of information, though it may be a bit O/T, I believe that the "Munshi" and the eventual resentment "bubbling" in the court about the perceived "use" of his position, have been earlier discussed on this Forum.  The sequel of his service career was unfortunately not very glamorous. Suffice it to say, that after the Queen's death and funeral, her son the King, saw to it that he and his family were sent back to India.   Regards,  AP.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Douglas on June 16, 2010, 08:43:49 PM
Re Reply 240:  To add a bit of information, though it may be a bit O/T, I believe that the "Munshi" and the eventual resentment "bubbling" in the court about the perceived "use" of his position, have been earlier discussed on this Forum.  The sequel of his service career was unfortunately not very glamorous. Suffice it to say, that after the Queen's death and funeral, her son the King, saw to it that he and his family were sent back to India.   Regards,  AP.

Her son, the King, also saw to it that all of Queen Victoria's sweet and endearing letters to and from the Munshi were burned.

Douglas,
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: royal_netherlands on July 11, 2010, 05:55:56 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/PrincessHenryofBattenberg.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Carisbrooke on July 12, 2010, 06:58:10 AM
   At last, the B&W from the front cover of Matthew Dennison's "The Last Princess", and in excellent quality too.

            Lovely
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 12, 2010, 07:08:51 AM
Beatrice and her boys

(http://i36.tinypic.com/1iny92.jpg)

Probably from the same session...

(http://i38.tinypic.com/2ngzvbn.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Kalafrana on July 12, 2010, 07:56:39 AM
Presumably the handsome fellow on the left is Maurice, with Leopold on the right and Alexander seated.

Alexander looks rather a man about town, but not much substance.

Ann
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 12, 2010, 08:01:11 AM
Yup they are. Leopold looks like a kid with moustache...so weird!. Defo, the handsomest of the brothers was Maurice.

Here a few more images of the siblings

Toddlers

(http://i34.tinypic.com/rmthue.jpg)

Little Leopold as soldier (He was a cute little boy tho)

(http://i38.tinypic.com/1zf1it4.jpg)
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Post by: Margot on July 12, 2010, 08:05:12 AM
Maurice was absolutely gorgeous in my rather breathless opinion a la Viv Tudor from Little Britain! Lovely dark eyes and that cleft chin! Actually I think Maurice was the most attractive of all QV's grandsons! I would love to know more about him! I understand he was popular with his siblings and was generally well liked unlike his eldest brother! Such a shame he died so young!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Kalafrana on July 12, 2010, 08:57:47 AM
There tends to be little written about Maurice and his brothers. Indeed, the only one of Henry and Beatrice's children who gets written about is Ena.

Maurice was certainly handsome, and from what little I know of him he was a decent young man. If you go to the military museum in Ypres you can see his sword, which he apparently left in the keeping of his Belgian landlady just before he was killed.

I have seen claims that Maurice was a haemophiliac, but I think they can safely be discounted.

Ann
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 12, 2010, 10:26:55 AM
Leopold was the long time admirer of his cousin Baby Bee, but due to his ill health he was not a candidate for her hand. He was present at her wedding in Coburg. When he was dangerously ill, Baby Bee rushed to his bedside in time to see him passed away.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on July 12, 2010, 02:27:51 PM
There tends to be little written about Maurice and his brothers. Indeed, the only one of Henry and Beatrice's children who gets written about is Ena.

Maurice was certainly handsome, and from what little I know of him he was a decent young man. If you go to the military museum in Ypres you can see his sword, which he apparently left in the keeping of his Belgian landlady just before he was killed.

I have seen claims that Maurice was a haemophiliac, but I think they can safely be discounted.

Ann

A good part of that can be because on Ena really amounted to anything--in terms of being worthy of a biography anyway. Maurice and Leopold died too young and Alexander rather faded from the scene, even during his lifetime. He didn't carry out royal engagements on the level of other minor members of the royal family for instance. Marie Louise of Schleswig-Holstein wrote some sweet things about Maurice in her biography and Empress Frederick noted some things in her diary and letters to her daughter Sophie from her acquaintance with them. There was an article on Maurice written in Royalty Digest once.

I just got a really good photo of Maurice from an old Spanish magazine. There are a number of Battenberg photos that I hadn't seen before in some of those magazines around the time of Ena's marriage until about WW1. After that, not so much. They did publish photos when her brothers came to visit her though.

There is some more information on them on the Battenberg/Mountbatten thread in this section.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: AnastasiaNikolaevna on July 21, 2010, 06:36:08 PM
Hello! I recently purchased a book called "The Romanovs--Love, power, and tragedy". Anyway, in it there is a picture of Queen Victoria's daughter, Beatrice's wedding. I'm planning on re-creating the bridesmade dress to wear to a wedding coming up, and was wondering if anyone has any other photographs of those dresses....

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on July 21, 2010, 07:40:04 PM
I would check the thread on Princess Beatrice located in the Windsor section. There also used to be a royal weddings thread there that had photos.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on July 21, 2010, 07:48:06 PM
I've moved the thread for now--it will probably get merged into the Beatrice thread but I thought I would leave it out for a bit.

Here's the link to the Royal Weddings thread:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=13583.15

and to Beatrice's thread

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=886.0

I would also suggest using the search feature with relevant keywords as the pictures of the bridesmaids are probably scattered in their various threads (ie the princesses Louise, ,Victoria & Maud of Wales, Queen Marie of Romania, Victoria Melita, Alexandra Feodorovna, etc). I don't know if I've ever seen good, blown up images of the adult bridesmaids--the younger ones, yes, because they were front and center. The older bridesmaids were more towards the back and thus their dresses aren't seen fully.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on July 21, 2010, 07:56:31 PM
The most well-known photo

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/3294627.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: AnastasiaNikolaevna on July 22, 2010, 06:52:48 AM
Thank you for everything! Unfortunately, I can't see anything for some reason, the picture isn't showing up :(
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on July 22, 2010, 12:37:04 PM
I adjusted  the tags--it should work now.

There was a sketch of the Wales girls in their bridesmaids's dresses that was published in the Illustrated London News's commemorative wedding issue. I have it but don't have a way to access it right now.  :(  If someone else has the issue, it might provide some guidance as it's a pretty detailed sketch if I remember correctly. Other than that, the photos of the bridesmaids (at least the adult ones) aren't very clear.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: AnastasiaNikolaevna on July 22, 2010, 02:16:05 PM
Thank you! Now i can view it and that is the picture I needed! Thats actually OK, I'm going to start with the little girl next to Beatrice's dress, as it won't require so many materials. Anyway, thanks!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on July 22, 2010, 06:18:55 PM
That would be Alexandra of Edinburgh. If you search her threads, or her sisters, there are probably some blown-up shots of them which would give better detail of the dresses. I know I did ones of Victoria Melita & Marie (Queen Marie of Romania) but I'm not sure if they are posted or not.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on July 22, 2010, 06:21:51 PM
There's this one which shows Alix and Irene of Hesse:

Alix as bridesmaid (when you download, you ll get the picture in its original size)

(http://nd01.jxs.cz/142/006/23a512bd91_45111319_o2.jpg)


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Post by: grandduchessella on July 22, 2010, 06:23:37 PM
And this one of the Wales girls--it should be floating around in better quality as it's a fairly well-known image:


(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8889/6p2o42.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on July 22, 2010, 08:10:38 PM
I just posted some photos from her wedding on the Royal Weddings thread.  :)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on July 22, 2010, 09:07:32 PM
Prince Leopold

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/britain/771-1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/britain/839-1.jpg)
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Post by: grandduchessella on July 22, 2010, 09:08:21 PM
Prince Maurice

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/britain/773-1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/britain/840-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on July 22, 2010, 09:08:50 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/britain/848-1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/britain/903.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: AnastasiaNikolaevna on July 23, 2010, 07:32:23 AM
I just posted some photos from her wedding on the Royal Weddings thread.  :)

Thank you so much!!! These help me greatly!
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on July 31, 2010, 12:23:01 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/PhilipAlexiusdeLszl.jpg)

The colour-version of the beautiful DE LÁSZLÓ portrait of Princess Beatrice, she was the last child of Queen Victoria to die in 1944.


Some info on the portrait:

PROVENANCE:
Daughter of the sitter, Queen Victoria Eugénia of Spain, Villa Vieille Fontaine, Lausanne, Switzerland;
By descent in the family;
Sold at auction at Sotheby’s, London, on 28 October 2008

"De László probably first met Princess Beatrice when he was painting members of the Spanish Royal Family in Madrid in 1910, although he had painted her brother-in-law, Prince Louis of Battenberg (later 1st Marquess of Milford Haven) in 1909 and other members of the Battenberg family two years before that. He had already painted a half-length portrait of Princess Beatrice in 1912. [This doesn't ring a bell with me, has anyone else seen it?]

On 2 July 1926 Princess Beatrice attended a reception at de László’s home in Fitzjohn’s Avenue together with her son, the Marquess of Carisbrooke (whom de László had painted in 1920), to view de László’s recently completed portrait of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Randall Davidson. The following week he finished in London his fourth portrait of Queen Ena of Spain, Princess Beatrice’s daughter, during a private visit of the King and Queen. This painting was presented to Princess Beatrice by her daughter. Immediately afterwards de László left for Normandy for a cure for troublesome varicose veins in his leg caused “through so much standing”. ....On 12 August he and Lucy went to stay with Princess Beatrice at Carisbrooke Castle on the Isle of Wight, apparently for a holiday; but while there de László began a head study of Princess Beatrice, a small, rather severe portrait showing the sitter full face. This, however, he abandoned and the sketch remained unsigned, as was so often the case with de László’s unfinished portraits, in the artist’s possession until his death. The present study, approximately the same size as the abandoned study, shows the sitter wearing the same choker as in the first version, but in full profile, which is unusual in de László’s oeuvre. A recent biographer of Princess Beatrice writes of the present portrait: “[it] is a handsome image showing her in profile, her face thinner with age; not crushed by the years but wise and kindly, staring into the distance, as always in Beatrice’s case avoiding contact with the viewer.” While at Carisbrooke Castle de László also took the opportunity to make a couple of landscape studies , as well as a drawing for the Comptroller of the Princess’s Household, Sir Victor Corkran."
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Post by: Margot on July 31, 2010, 12:29:05 AM
Lovely profile! I do hope that the King of Spain bought this magnificent portrait for the Spanish Collection! I simply could not understand why he wouldn't   have bought it! If I were in his shoes and a portrait of my great grand mother came up for sale I wouldn't hesitate in acquiring it. Especially a de Laszlo for that matter!
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Post by: Lindelle on July 31, 2010, 12:40:06 AM
Actually, it's so true to life looking.
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Post by: Veronica on July 31, 2010, 04:57:13 PM

"De László [...]had already painted a half-length portrait of Princess Beatrice in 1912. [This doesn't ring a bell with me, has anyone else seen it?]


(http://a.imageshack.us/img836/6580/beatrice1912missingpain.jpg)

The present location of this painting is unknown

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Post by: grandduchessella on July 31, 2010, 09:55:04 PM
Duh. I've seen that a gazillion times.  :-[  I can't believe I didn't remember it.  :o  I'm going to blame how late it was when I was posting.  ;)  Thanks so much Veronica for posting it.
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Post by: Adagietto on August 01, 2010, 01:57:03 PM
Oh I do like that latter portrait; I hope it will turn up again so we will able to see it in colour.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 02, 2010, 12:05:47 AM
Me too ! It looks lovely. Is it still in the hands of the family or sold already ?
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Post by: Lindelle on August 02, 2010, 01:26:49 AM
Wonder what it's worth?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 02, 2010, 06:25:00 AM
Quite alot I should think. As much as the Princess Louise portrait.
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Post by: Lindelle on August 02, 2010, 06:54:35 AM
If I had the money I'd buy it.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 02, 2010, 08:03:59 AM
Me too. Laszlo is one of my favourite artist. Got a print of his painting on Madi on Ebay some time ago.
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Post by: grandduchessella on August 02, 2010, 11:12:27 AM
Quite alot I should think. As much as the Princess Louise portrait.

That was the one sold by the Kents in 2009 correct?  :(

The 1926 portrait of Beatrice was estimated in the sale catalogue at 4,000—6,000 GBP It sold for 21,250 GBP.

One of Princess Cecile of Greece (Philip's sister) was estimated at 8,000—12,000 GBP and sold for 18,750 GBP. Too bad Philip wasn't the buyer.
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Post by: Lindelle on August 02, 2010, 09:01:36 PM
Me too. Laszlo is one of my favourite artist. Got a print of his painting on Madi on Ebay some time ago.


Did the seller know what they were actually selling?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 02, 2010, 10:25:07 PM
Yes. Princess Maria Teresa of Naples.
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Post by: grandduchessella on August 02, 2010, 10:26:15 PM
There are countless reproductions of Laszlo's works as well as Tuxen, Sargent, etc.... I think those are what Eric is referring to.  Royal subjects are especially popular and numerous. They're very nicely done but they're just modern copies. Some of them can be pretty big however.  :)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 02, 2010, 10:39:28 PM
I think they were done as a series.
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Post by: Lindelle on August 02, 2010, 11:14:52 PM
Me too. Laszlo is one of my favourite artist. Got a print of his painting on Madi on Ebay some time ago.


Did the seller know what they were actually selling?


Sorry, I probably should have worded that better, I meant to ask, did they know the value of what they were selling?
'Cause you know, some people think they'll get rid of things without knowing what it's worth.
Hmmmmm, I'm going to have a browse on Ebay.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 03, 2010, 09:04:34 AM
Good idea. I haven't seen a picture of it on the website yet. It belongs to her husband's family in Sigmaringen.
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Post by: grandduchessella on August 03, 2010, 09:07:53 AM
Me too. Laszlo is one of my favourite artist. Got a print of his painting on Madi on Ebay some time ago.


Did the seller know what they were actually selling?


Sorry, I probably should have worded that better, I meant to ask, did they know the value of what they were selling?
'Cause you know, some people think they'll get rid of things without knowing what it's worth.
Hmmmmm, I'm going to have a browse on Ebay.

Yes, the sellers create these reproductions for their store and ebay. They are just mass produced copies. They may look nice but they don't have any intrinsic financial worth. Just a nice keepsake for a royal fan. They are relatively inexpensive.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 03, 2010, 09:11:43 AM
No...Mine is printed in nice paper and part of a book. Not mass production at all. It is part of a book printed in the 50's about all the paintings of Laszlo (which included those well known ones of Ena & Louise Battenberg to relatively unknown ones like Madi and Archduchess Maria Teresa of Austria (the stepmother of Franz Ferninand).
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Post by: Lindelle on August 04, 2010, 12:29:06 AM
No...Mine is printed in nice paper and part of a book. Not mass production at all. It is part of a book printed in the 50's about all the paintings of Laszlo (which included those well known ones of Ena & Louise Battenberg to relatively unknown ones like Madi and Archduchess Maria Teresa of Austria (the stepmother of Franz Ferninand).


That's what I meant to ask Eric.

Wow, you lucky thing you!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 04, 2010, 12:35:20 AM
Yes. used to be selling for nothing on Ebay. Now they are gone. The seller sells prints of other royals too. The print has a brief description on the subject and a butter paper on top of the print. I don't think there was one on Princess Beatrice though.
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Post by: grandduchessella on August 04, 2010, 10:49:59 AM
Then you are lucky Eric. If it's from the 1950s (and not during Laszlo's lifetime) then I think the owners knew what they were selling. I've gotten some of Ella and Missy (portraits) from the early 1900s on that heavy paper and largesize as I think you've mentioned you have as well. As you mention, those are harder to get and more expensive. However, the mass produced ones I mentioned are nice--they aren't posters but actual paintings and fairy good size. So for someone who just wants something like that they are a very good option. DeLaszlo and Tuxen are frequently done.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 04, 2010, 01:57:51 PM
Yes. They are actual plates taken from a book on Laszlo's paintings (only a few are royal and the rest politicians or rich matrons). They wording is in both English and German. Quite nice. I got the one on Madi because it was rarely seen. I would have love to get the one on Spatz (Mathilde Trani) too. Alas.
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Post by: heavensent on August 08, 2010, 06:03:46 PM
 I THINK theres another.... much bigger..... Princess Beatrice thread
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 09, 2010, 01:44:36 PM
A lovely girl
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/Bet2.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/Bet.jpg)

Courtesy: royalcollection
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 09, 2010, 11:09:43 PM
They are lovely. Winterhalter ?
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 10, 2010, 07:44:44 AM
(http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/8204/ccqueenvi12803470553343.jpg) (http://img818.imageshack.us/i/ccqueenvi12803470553343.jpg/)

U
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 10, 2010, 03:44:48 PM
They are lovely. Winterhalter ?
No, I found them as painted by Annie Dixon
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 11, 2010, 07:01:13 AM
Indeed. I read that QV thinks Winterhalter portraits are expensive though charming.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 11, 2010, 02:39:30 PM
But several of the paintings of Queen Victoria's eldest children were painted by Winterhalter
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 11, 2010, 07:03:01 PM
Yes. I think she used Winterhalter rather selectively after Prince Albert died.
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Post by: AnnieB on August 12, 2010, 05:15:41 AM
Re reply #277

I think the 2nd miniature was by William Charles Ross, one of a series of nine of all Queen Victoria's children

AnnieB
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 12, 2010, 09:36:21 AM
Thanks AnnieB for the information. Beatrice was very loved and protected from her family. She was forever "the girl" in the family as her elder sisters grew up.
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Post by: kmerov on August 15, 2010, 01:52:32 PM
I really like this picture of Beatrice reading to QV, very homely.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Great%20Britain/beatricevictoriaca1895.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 15, 2010, 04:00:04 PM
I like the room decorations.
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Post by: kmerov on August 15, 2010, 04:53:48 PM
Yes me too, so many portraits. I wonder which room and what Palace they are in?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 15, 2010, 11:51:12 PM
Maybe Buckingham Palace ?
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Post by: grandduchessella on August 16, 2010, 08:29:22 AM
That photo was reproduced in the Illustrated London News several times. I think it was ID'd as Windsor Castle.
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Post by: grandduchessella on August 16, 2010, 08:31:09 AM
Yes me too, so many portraits. I wonder which room and what Palace they are in?

Yes, you can see Victoria & Albert in costume, Prince Alfred in uniform, Princesses Helena and Louise (the pendant portraits), Prince Albert (though I believe that's a photograph), one of the famous  family portraits and Princess Victoria of Hesse.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 16, 2010, 08:36:51 AM
Yes. I agree it was Windsor Castle.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 18, 2010, 02:50:05 PM
The most well-known photo

 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/3294627.jpg

Bigger and unmarked

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/127/378527911_53a8bdc6bb_o.jpg)

Large if its resized

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/127/378527911_53a8bdc6bb_o.jpg
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Post by: grandduchessella on August 19, 2010, 08:48:34 AM
I THINK theres another.... much bigger..... Princess Beatrice thread

There is. I had stated that in the beginning (and provided a link) but that I wasn't going to merge this thread right away because of the specificity of the request.

Anyway, I found some of my old photos and used the iphone on them again--I think I'm getting better with it.  :) I tried to get some close-ups of the dresses.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/be4b6c3d.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/676c560f.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/6580e52d.jpg)
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Post by: grandduchessella on August 19, 2010, 08:49:52 AM
These are from the sketch I referenced (the one from the wedding issue of the Illustrated London News)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/16e2dd7b.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/e7a35e98.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 19, 2010, 08:51:56 AM
Maud`s eyes looks scary!!! i hate when photographers retouched eyes like that, they look like Pms (post mortems...you know..photographers used to sew eyelids and take  eyeballs out from the orbits  with a spoon to keep eyes open and make the dead one look alive...)
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Post by: TroubleTwin2 on August 19, 2010, 11:17:12 AM
Something I did not know before. Intersting (if not a bit creepy) information.
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Post by: grandduchessella on August 19, 2010, 11:21:56 AM
I really like this picture of Beatrice reading to QV, very homely.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Great%20Britain/beatricevictoriaca1895.jpg)

I think this is the portrait of Victoria Hesse that you can see dead center on the wall between Beatrice & QV.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/40ff7a7d-1.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 19, 2010, 01:21:30 PM
I collect Pms and i ve read a lot about the process to prepare a dead body  to make it look "alive"
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Post by: TroubleTwin2 on August 19, 2010, 02:03:27 PM
Really? Very interesting I'm sure, but I don't think I'd be able to read about it. Creep me out too much. Does it ever seem creepy to you while reading about it and what not?
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 19, 2010, 02:11:13 PM
Well..im used to read about death and stuff , so i dont find it that creepy.

But well, this is not the topic to talk about, if you please we can keep the chat in the Post mortem images`s topic ;-D
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 20, 2010, 05:28:35 PM
It could well be. :-)
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Post by: Eddie_uk on September 06, 2010, 01:22:46 PM
I always think of Princess Beatrice's only home being Kensington Palace!! According to the guide book for Carisbrooke Castle, when she succeeded her husband as Governor in 1896 till  she died in 1944 the castle had been her home for 55 years. Apparently the upper part of the Gatehouse was formerly a museum founded in memory of Prince Henry.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 06, 2010, 01:26:16 PM
Not to mention Osborne Cottage too...
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Post by: Eddie_uk on September 06, 2010, 02:25:47 PM
Osborne Cottage is now a care home & looks like a lovely house:

http://www.islecare.org/osborne_cottage.php

Apparently Beatrice sold it in 1912 against the wishes of George V.

Some interesting recollections of Beatrice..

http://www.iwbeacon.com/The-Princess-of-the-Wight.aspx
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 06, 2010, 02:37:56 PM
Thanks for the links.  :)
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Post by: Margot on September 06, 2010, 05:56:36 PM
It is interesting to contemplate why Beatrice sold the house. She was receipt of a parliamentary annuity of 6,000 pounds pa and presumably received the dowry of 30,000 pounds that her sisters received. I know Prince Henry obviously did not bring much more than his army pay into the marriage and consequently the family relied heavily upon Beatrice's annuity, and that after 1901 they family no longer lived free of charge with QV and that Beatrice had to establish a completely independent household similar to that of the Christians. As non of her children were eligible to receive parliamentary annuities I assume Beatrice must have had to provide allowances etc for her sons herself which out of 6,000 a year was hardly auspicious. I am sure that I read somewhere that QV left Helena around 100,000 pounds in capital in her will and assume that a similar amount may well have been bequeathed to Beatrice, if so perhaps Beatrice felt it better to sell Osborne Cottage rather than try to maintain the house and her apartment at Kensington Palace on her annuity without using capital in addition to meet higher costs. Saying that, if Beatrice did inherit capital of 100,000 pounds from QV, this would yield at least 3,000 pounds per annum in interest if invested wisely giving Beatrice an annual income of 9,000 a year which for that time was certainly enough for a peer of the realm to live on in comfort if spent wisely.

Just a musing!
 
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 06, 2010, 06:08:48 PM
I think the one thing they do not talk about in books is that how did the royals handle money. I think Beatrice was well compensated by QV for her work and sacrifices in her life.
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Post by: Margot on September 06, 2010, 11:48:39 PM
I agree Eric, few biographers seem to feel it is of interest or relevance to explore the financial affairs of royal subjects and merely rehash the known data like the 3,000 and 6,000 pounds per annum for Princesses and 12,000 15,000 and 24,000 pounds per annum figures associated with Princes that were Parliamentary annuities and easily researched and clarified. I believe in Helena: Princess Reclaimed the author does touch on the issue of the Christians' finances, but I for not believe I have ever read anything 'in depth' about any of the personal finances of QV's children or even her grand children in fact! I do recall a figure being mentioned somewhere stating that Marie Louise left an estate of 120,000 pounds, but I do not know how much of this was capital and how much based on the value of jewels and chattels that made up her estate at the time of her death. As to Beatrice's finances and what sort of estate she left to Carisbrooke and Queen Ena upon her death is a complete mystery and no doubt will remain so until a biographer applies and is granted permission to peruse her will and probate data at will so to speak!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 07, 2010, 10:23:24 AM
You are so right Margot. I do not think the royals themselves handled the money and have people to look after their finances. They usually have an income to cover the usual upkeep of the residence, maid service, travel expenses & food etc. The rest were probably saved up and use for special occations (dinners, presents for relatives or doctor's bills). The Romanovs became such a financial mess as they lost income as well as someone to handle their financial affairs. The exceptions were Minny & Xenia, whose financial affairs were taken over by the British Royal Family staff.
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Post by: THERRY on October 14, 2010, 11:23:18 AM
Princess Beatrice in 1881. This portrait shows Princess playing harmonium at Osborne during the winter of 1881,when she was nearly twenty-four . She was a talented musician !
(http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/3944/scansione0021z.jpg) (http://img716.imageshack.us/i/scansione0021z.jpg/)
By J. Thomson
If you click on you can see it bigger
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 14, 2010, 11:43:57 AM
Lovely photo of Beatrice. She did compose some pieces of music too like her father...
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Post by: violetta on November 01, 2010, 06:47:07 PM
i`m not sure if this picture was posted or not

beatrice in 1859

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/Princess_Beatrix_1859.jpg)

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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on November 01, 2010, 07:05:20 PM
Oh wow, ha! What is she wearing? Looks like a modern hoodie sweater! And carrying a doll?  ??? Maybe she was dressed up for a theatrical or something. Who painted it?
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Post by: grandduchessella on November 01, 2010, 07:37:11 PM
Winterhalter, 1859.
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Post by: AnnieB on November 02, 2010, 02:12:19 AM
Little Beatrice is wearing a burnoose or hooded Moorish or Arab cloak, I'm not sure why-probably playing dressing up!

AnnieB
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 02, 2010, 11:21:15 AM
Lovely picture. It is nice that they commission this one for Beatrice (Prince Albert was forever complaining who much Winterhalter overcharging them, even though he liked the results).
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Post by: Eddie_uk on November 16, 2010, 09:20:17 AM
Lovely!
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2630/louise3.png)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 16, 2010, 09:21:10 AM
Nicee!!! Henry was so handsome! *0*
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 16, 2010, 09:24:11 AM
Of course ! Which was why Beatrice decided to worth the war with her mother on the subject of her marriage. She was much luckier than her niece Moretta. She got her Battenberg Prince !
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 18, 2010, 11:43:46 AM
Little Beatrice by Richard Lauchert

(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3210/richardlauchert.jpg) (http://img517.imageshack.us/i/richardlauchert.jpg/)

 
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 18, 2010, 11:54:54 AM
I think the Prince Consort had died around this time or shortly after...
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 19, 2010, 11:27:55 AM
Princess Beatrice was cloaked into her mother's gloom after her father's death.
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on November 19, 2010, 12:00:27 PM
Princess Beatrice was cloaked into her mother's gloom after her father's death.
What do you mean by this?
That is a very sweet portrait.  :)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 19, 2010, 12:07:48 PM
The portrait is pretty, but you see her holding an image of her father. He would soon disappear from her life and she would be alone with her mother while her siblings flee the nest...
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 11, 2011, 01:18:17 PM
Henry

(http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/1563/img018u.jpg) (http://img850.imageshack.us/i/img018u.jpg/)

 
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 12, 2011, 08:24:29 AM
Maurice

(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4555/img024zy.jpg) (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/img024zy.jpg/)

 
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Post by: Marc on April 19, 2011, 08:10:47 AM
One question:

Who would be given precedence in neutral royal country(Sweden,Netherlands...) after 1917...to members who were senior but changed their titles(Mountbatten clan) or to junior memebrs(still Battenbergs) who were still HSH?
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Post by: Kalafrana on April 19, 2011, 08:19:20 AM
I would have thought precedence would be given to those who remained Battenberg, as the Mountbattens renounced their German styles and became part of the British peerage.

Were there any Battenbergs post-1917 - that is, did Alexander and Franz Josef of Battenberg have any issue?

Ann
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Post by: CHRISinUSA on April 19, 2011, 12:15:17 PM
The lines of the elder 2 sons (Louis and Henry) renounced their Batternburg titles in 1917 and assumed British peerages.

Franz Josef of Battenberg died childless in 1924.

Alexander Joseph of Battenberg GCB was chosen to become the first prince (knyaz) of modern Bulgaria, reigning from 29 April 1879 to his exile in 7 September 1886.  In exile, he later married an actress and assumed the style Count von Hartenau (6 February 1889).   There were 2 children from this marriage, neither of whom bore the Battenberg title.

Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Marc on April 21, 2011, 12:05:49 PM
Only Franz Josef and his wife Anna remaind Battenbergs,but this question doesn't refer to Anna because she was HRH and would always outrank any Battenberg...so,I thought would Franz Josef outrank any of his family in case of meeting in other monarchy after 1917?
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: CHRISinUSA on April 21, 2011, 03:30:31 PM
It would appear you are correct - after 1917, only Franz Josef remained HSH and a Prince of Battenburg, so technically he would outrank his elder brothers who no longer bore a royal, serene or regular highness rank but were instead British peers.

Incidentally, Ana was the last living person to use the title Battenburg until her own death, although as you pointed out, she was a HRH due to being the daughter of the King of Montenegro. 
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: GrandDuchessIsabelle on October 09, 2011, 12:31:15 PM
Hi, I really need photos of Beatrice and her husband and/or children. Does anyone have any?
Thanks so much, GDI
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: GrandDuchessIsabelle on December 15, 2011, 02:48:41 PM
Found this on ebay:
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g401/PieceOfLivingHistory/CFb6EbBGkKGrHqNlsE1F4rmISBNVEOcc4KQ0_3.jpg
labeled as Beatrice. I can see some resemblance, but is it really her?
Also:
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g401/PieceOfLivingHistory/cdv-289.jpg
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g401/PieceOfLivingHistory/Windsors/BEATRICE23.jpg
I thought some of you may not have seen this, but if you have, don't worry. The second my Dad took at Osborne House, the Swiss cottage.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 15, 2011, 03:56:34 PM
The first one is on the LOC wrong labelled, since that lady, obviously, it isnt Beatrice. Funny there are people making money of the LOC free images (sighs)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on December 16, 2011, 10:49:29 AM
At least they are free of copyright, unlike some of the reprinted images routinely sold on ebay. It would just be better if the sellers noted they are from LOC. Also, the LOC routinely mislabels photos--especially royal ones. Maybe because we're a republic.  :)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 16, 2011, 04:28:04 PM
The first lady wasn't Princess Beatrice.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: GrandDuchessIsabelle on January 15, 2012, 11:40:45 AM
Thanks for replies, I did doubt it. Found an image of Beatrice on a cigar box:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ch1zNK69L._SS500_.jpg Doesn't do her justice really.
Also this labelled as her when it certainly isn't:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ch1zNK69L._SS500_.jpg
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: CountessKate on January 17, 2012, 03:18:36 AM
Thanks for replies, I did doubt it. Found an image of Beatrice on a cigar box:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ch1zNK69L._SS500_.jpg Doesn't do her justice really.
Also this labelled as her when it certainly isn't:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ch1zNK69L._SS500_.jpg

The same image has been posted twice. 
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: GrandDuchessIsabelle on January 17, 2012, 11:28:33 AM
Thanks for replies, I did doubt it. Found an image of Beatrice on a cigar box:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ch1zNK69L._SS500_.jpg Doesn't do her justice really.
Also this labelled as her when it certainly isn't:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ch1zNK69L._SS500_.jpg

The same image has been posted twice. 
Sorry, it's this one:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ZLOxet8lL._SS500_.jpg
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Keith on October 03, 2012, 09:53:17 AM
Maurice with some of his relatives

standing: Prince Leopold, Princess Beatrice, Princess Ena and Princess Helena Victoria
seated: Princess Christian and Queen Victoria
on ground: Prince Alexander and Maurice

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c256/fajack/Royal%20photos/royalmourners1900-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Keith on October 03, 2012, 09:54:54 AM
with one of his neices

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c256/fajack/Royal%20photos/Mauricewithneice.jpg)

at Aldershot in June 1914

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c256/fajack/Royal%20photos/MauriceatAldershotJune1914.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Keith on October 03, 2012, 09:57:12 AM
with his brother Leopold

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c256/fajack/Royal%20photos/MauriceandLeopold.jpg)

with his brother-in-law King Alfonso

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c256/fajack/Royal%20photos/AlfonsoandMaurice.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Keith on October 03, 2012, 09:58:23 AM
with Princess Helena Victoria, King Alfonso and Queen Ena. I beleive this is on the Isle of Wight 1912

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c256/fajack/Royal%20photos/HelenaVictoriaMauriceAlfonsoandEna1912.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: THERRY on October 04, 2012, 10:55:16 AM
Thank You Keith, new and interesting photos  :)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Kalafrana on October 04, 2012, 11:30:54 AM
Could this be Cowes Week, hence the yachting caps and blazers?

Ann
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 04, 2012, 11:49:07 AM
Nice newspaper photo. I wonder if Alfonso got along with Ena's brothers.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on October 04, 2012, 03:25:30 PM
Keith--were these from the Daily Mail?  I found the British newspapers gave very good coverage of Maurice's death with some very unique photos of him. The Spanish newspapers as well given his relationship to their Queen. Leopold's death just a few years later was much quieter in terms of coverage.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Keith on October 04, 2012, 03:45:40 PM
From both the Daily Mail and the Daily Sketch.

As to the photo with Helena Victoria and the yachting caps on the men, it says it was a charity coconut shy, whatever that may be.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Keith on October 04, 2012, 04:03:18 PM
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c256/fajack/BeatriceatOsborneHouse.jpg)

I think I may have posted this one before, but couldn't find it. Ena and Helena Victoria look to be in the same outfits as the above photo. The back of the postcard lists this as walking across the grounds at Osborne. I'm guessing the event took place there. That is Helena Victoria behind the woman in the middle.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on October 04, 2012, 06:48:27 PM
I thought some might be from them. I bought a bunch on ebay but got outbid for the Maurice batch. Hmm.... ;)  I had to track it down another way. I hadn't realized that they had fairly decent photos before then--I thought it was mostly text. Now I've found something else to hunt! Thanks for sharing.  :)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Keith on October 04, 2012, 08:32:26 PM
My pleasure.

I was very pleased when I got mine as most of the photos were ones I had never seen.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Robert_Hall on October 04, 2012, 10:28:40 PM
Keith, the charity part is self explained. A coconut shy is a sort of carny  game of knocking a coconut off a pole, about 3 feet high with a wooden ball. It is still popular in some village fetes. A cheap and easy way to raise money  for;local causes. The "shy" like a hunting shy, a fabric barrier to make sure The balls  do not fly off and hurt on lookers.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Kalafrana on October 05, 2012, 07:02:48 AM
'I found the British newspapers gave very good coverage of Maurice's death with some very unique photos of him. The Spanish newspapers as well given his relationship to their Queen. Leopold's death just a few years later was much quieter in terms of coverage.'

Maurice was killed in the war, and in the early stages of the war at that. His death was bound to attract more press attention than Leopold's, which took place after an operation (he must have been in fairly dire need of the operation for it to have been risked then - blood transfusion was in its infancy).

Ann
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 05, 2012, 09:51:46 AM
The photos of Prince Maurice was rare indeed.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Keith on October 05, 2012, 07:51:42 PM
Thanks Robert.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Robert_Hall on October 05, 2012, 07:59:17 PM
You are quite welcome, Keith. My only question would be what one does with the coconut when one wins it ? It is not quite like a conker.
 Now, back to the Battenbergs.....
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: CountessKate on November 05, 2012, 12:29:38 PM
Violet Granby's portraits can really only be distinguished from one another by which of her three groups they fall into, i.e.:
1. women
2. men
3. children of either sex.

Nevertheless I thought it might be interesting to post her portrait of Princess Beatrice (looking exactly like all the other women Violet Granby portrayed):

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/cfarnon/Great%20Ladies/Beatrice-11.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 05, 2012, 07:44:06 PM
great sketch of Princess Beatrice.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: grandduchessella on November 05, 2012, 07:46:11 PM
It looks more like Victoria of Wales to me. Beatrice was pretty matronly by the time that hat style was in fashion. If it's Beatrice, it's a very idealized sketch.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: CountessKate on November 06, 2012, 01:37:53 AM
It looks more like Victoria of Wales to me. Beatrice was pretty matronly by the time that hat style was in fashion. If it's Beatrice, it's a very idealized sketch.

I don't think there's any doubt as to the attribution, but Violet Lindsay/Granby/Rutland's portraits tend to show women as very ethereal and pretty much the same.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 06, 2012, 07:54:25 AM
I think Beatrice at her best. It does look like her.
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: CountessKate on December 14, 2013, 09:16:14 AM
At last, a decent reproduction of Heinrich von Angeli's Princess Beatrice, which I actually saw a while back in Buck Pal but failed to find in the royal collections except in black and white until now. 

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/cfarnon/Great%20Ladies/Beatrice_zps7da19312.jpg) (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/cfarnon/media/Great%20Ladies/Beatrice_zps7da19312.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Marc on December 24, 2013, 02:32:46 AM
At last, a decent reproduction of Heinrich von Angeli's Princess Beatrice, which I actually saw a while back in Buck Pal but failed to find in the royal collections except in black and white until now.

Thank you so much for this...beautiful to see it in color...

Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 25, 2013, 06:52:46 PM
QV was quite neutral about Beatrice's beauty.
Title: "Beatrice's Little Child" - in 1882?
Post by: Queen_Missy on December 13, 2014, 12:16:19 PM
Has anyone else seen this letter - from Queen Victoria to Queen Emma of Hawaii?

"April 9, 1882

My dear Friend,

You wrote me a most kind letter on the occasion of the attempt on my life, for which I meant to thank you long ago and which I now do, hoping you will forgive the long delay in my answer. We are on the point of starting for Scotland, my constant companion my dear daughter Beatrice and her little child accompany me... We are now engaged in a war which I hope will be of short duration - my dear son Arthur is with the Army. We were pleased to make the acquaintance of King Kalakaua and I would ask you to remember me to him. With renewed expressions of friendship and esteem, Your majesty's affectionate friend, Victoria R.I."

What "Little Child" did Beatrice have in 1882? 3 years before she married?

I found this here:
https://evols.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/bitstream/handle/10524/202/JL22111.pdf?sequence=2
Title: Re: "Beatrice's Little Child" - in 1882?
Post by: CountessKate on December 14, 2014, 12:48:53 PM
Quote
My dear Friend,

You wrote me a most kind letter on the occasion of the attempt on my life, for which I meant to thank you long ago and which I now do, hoping you will forgive the long delay in my answer. We are on the point of starting for Scotland, my constant companion my dear daughter Beatrice and her little child accompany me... We are now engaged in a war which I hope will be of short duration - my dear son Arthur is with the Army. We were pleased to make the acquaintance of King Kalakaua and I would ask you to remember me to him. With renewed expressions of friendship and esteem, Your majesty's affectionate friend, Victoria R.I."

What "Little Child" did Beatrice have in 1882? 3 years before she married?

There are many references to a baby in 1882 in Queen Victoria's journals although of course she was not Princess Beatrice's.  They refer to Princess Margaret of Connaught who was born in January of that year and with her parents was often with Queen Victoria very frequently.  When Prince Arthur went to Egypt at the end of July on active service (as mentioned in the Queen's letter), his wife 'Louisechen' and baby Margaret stayed with the Queen.  The Queen travelled to Balmoral on Thursday 31st August 1882 "with Beatrice & Louischen, Helen driving down with us to Trinity Pier. Ly Southampton, Horatia S., Harriet P., Sir H. Ponsonby, Capt: Edward, Ld E. Clinton, Frl: Bauer & Mr Sahl, compose the suite. The little baby, who had gone down before, was up on deck, & so well behaved."  It is possible that there is some inaccuracy in the transcript, or, since part of the letter has not been reproduced immediately after the statement of "Beatrice and her little child", another possibility is it could have read "Beatrice and her little child niece" or something of the sort. 
Title: Re: Princess Beatrice, Prince Henry of Battenberg and family
Post by: Kalafrana on December 15, 2014, 07:12:45 AM
Or the letter might have said, 'Beatrice, Louisechen and her little child'. Or the Queen, who wrote very fast, may simply have missed a word out, leaving the unfortunate impression that Beatrice had an illegitimate child.

Ann
Title: Resemblance I notice between Anna Vyrubova and...
Post by: Queen_Missy on March 18, 2015, 10:27:48 PM
Does anyone else think Anna looks a lot like Beatrice in these two pictures?

http://cdn.royalcollection.org.uk/cdn/farfuture/P66O_xLNz0G6igiiL0gAsqnciWQ9GsCP8cF3yNThqko/mtime:1423380402/sites/royalcollection.org.uk/files/collection-online/3/1/235535-1323787785.jpg
(Beatrice is second from the left)

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2009/347/f/1/Anna_Vyrubova_II_by_AlixofHesse.png