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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Nicholas II => Topic started by: Wartski on February 13, 2007, 06:13:56 AM

Title: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Wartski on February 13, 2007, 06:13:56 AM
Hello,

Does anyone know where the Tsar was on 21st May 1908 and who he might have been with?

Best wishes,

Kieran,
Wartski, London
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Forum Admin on February 13, 2007, 09:08:25 AM
Kieran,
According to Spirdovitch, Nicholas was at the Alexander Palace in TS, preparing for the trip to Reval.
No details for that specific day. You might try to have the Palace records in GARF researched for his appointments that day.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: hikaru on February 21, 2007, 01:07:28 PM
21th May in which style (Calendar) : new or old?
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Wartski on February 22, 2007, 07:30:12 AM
The Julian calendar I would presume. However the reason for asking the question is we bought lot 395 of the King George I of the Hellenes sale at Christies last month. It was a silver card case by Faberge inscribed by the Tsar 'Nicky, May 21st 1908'. This could mean the Tsar was using the Western Gregorian calendar as he was writing in English

We were very lucky to get it; it was a bit of a sleeper, Christies for some reason had not identified the signature as Nicholas'.

Thanks for asking,

Kieran
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: hikaru on February 22, 2007, 09:00:00 AM
I think, if Nicky was in Russia, it was Russian style, if not - European.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: hikaru on February 22, 2007, 09:04:58 AM
Maybe,if it wa his birthday?
I am a little bit confused with calendar
his birthday is 6th of May (Nicky) - in Russian style
Which is about 20th May in European style?
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: hikaru on February 22, 2007, 09:45:02 AM
I presume , that it was Russian style.
In accordance of the Camer - Fourier journal - Nicholas and his family came on 20th May to Peterhof and was there
till 23th October 1908  -
So what we have at the moment-
1) 21th May 1908 - he was in Peterhof - in his Law Dacha?
He had a report of Stolypin - this is for sure.
2) Olyga Konstantinovna - Queen of Greece was in Russia in this period.
I know for sure that  on 31th May 1908 she went to the Kalyazin(near Moscow) Troitsa Monastery with Oleg Konstantinovich, Igory Konstantinovich and Tatiana Konstantinovna.
We could imagine that Nicky might meet Olyga on 21th May in Peterhof.

If you want to know more details, it is necessary to go to GARF and check the CAMER - FOURIER  Journal for
21th May.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: hikaru on February 22, 2007, 11:42:07 AM
I think that I have resolved  this matter for you.
In accordance of the list of "Fetes Annuelles et mobiles  et  jour de Naissance et de nom des members de la Maison Imperial":
21th May - Jour de Nom de GD Konstantin Konstantinovich,  Princesse Elena Vladimirovna and prince Konstantine Konstantinovich
So -  Olyga or somebody of Konstantinovich have received it from Nicky as present for "jour de nom".

Best Regards,
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: mitia on February 22, 2007, 01:24:35 PM
The only difference between the Roman Catholic Church and the Holy Orthodox Church for Saint Day May 21 st, is that the Orthodox Church celebrates both Emperor Constantin I ( also known as " equal to the Holy Apostles " ) and his mother Helene on may 21 st, whereas the Catholic Church only celebrates Emperor Constantin I on may 21 st, his mother Helene beeing commemorated or celebrated on a different Saint Day.
" Jour de nom " is more often called in french " fête de Saint Patron " or simply " fête " ( Saint Day ), and in Catholic families it is still nowadays celebrated just like a Birthday with presents to the person etc..
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: charley on November 02, 2007, 03:43:24 PM
I have this large announcement card (about 18x12). It is telling people in a French city that they cannot use certain streets because the Tsar will be coming in on those streets during his trip. The thing I cannot figure out is why all around the border are Japanese figures with Pagoda's and rickshaws, etc. Can anyone think why a French official announcement would have all these Japanese characters around the border? It seems a bit odd.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: James_Davidov on December 25, 2007, 01:37:44 AM
Im not sure, but Japanese culture was considered fashionable at the time.

Otherwise it could have just come down to an availability of certain types of borders at a printers etc.

It must be an interesting piece because of this.

xx
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Ex-Princess Lisa on December 28, 2007, 03:25:51 PM
Do you know what year it was used?

Maybe Nicholas did not come back by train from Japan on his 1891 trip, but came back by ship, stopping in France en route?

In another thread we discussed at length how Nicholas returned from his journey in 1891 to Japan as the outward journey is well documented, but the return trip was summed up by the sentence "and then he went home".

However we know he cannot have returned home by train as the Trans-Siberian Railway was not built at that time.

Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Ex-Princess Lisa on December 28, 2007, 03:27:54 PM
So the announcement card would have been brought from Japan with them on the sea vogage and used in France.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: charley on December 29, 2007, 04:07:39 PM
This picture is taken before he became the Tsar with the beard. He is the Tsarevich in this photo and is also unmarried. I will try to find the scan of the announcement with the Japanese characters on it. The trip to France was an official trip he took with Alexandra after he became the Tsar. I actually have some commemerative plates from France that were made for his visit. I might be able to scan them in. I will give it a try.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Zecharia on July 28, 2008, 11:22:15 PM
OK, this is old subject. But could somebody tell me please, where could be Nicholas II middle of January 1910?
I am doing some research.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Forum Admin on July 29, 2008, 09:45:53 AM
The entire month of January 1910 was spent at Tsarskoie Selo, although Spiridovitch reports that Nicholas made regular day trips to St. Petersburg.  Alexandra was ill and did not leave the Palace.

Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Zecharia on July 29, 2008, 04:15:20 PM
The entire month of January 1910 was spent at Tsarskoie Selo, although Spiridovitch reports that Nicholas made regular day trips to St. Petersburg.  Alexandra was ill and did not leave the Palace.


Thank you very much for your answer. :)
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: rosieposie on September 18, 2008, 10:31:10 AM
I was watching a documentry on the Moulin Rouge and I was wondering if Nicholas went there while in Paris?  As it was a famous spot to enjoy ones self or to unwind during it's early years.  Or was it to much a place of ilrepute especially with artists and semi-naked women for one of such high status to go to such a Gentlemen's club?
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Forum Admin on September 18, 2008, 10:50:28 AM
As the Moulin Rouge did not even open until 1889, I rather doubt he would have.  I'm not certain if Nicholas was even IN Paris between 1889 and taking the throne in 1894.  Certainly as the Emperor he never went there.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: James_Davidov on September 19, 2008, 01:35:24 AM
Nicholas visiting the M.R, burlesque in style, would have been similar to royalty visiting a strip club today… it was certainly low brow and would have only have been attempted in disguise.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Halinka on October 02, 2008, 11:33:04 AM
If I remember correctly the second time Nicholas was in Paris was with his wife during a world tour. Even if Nicholas wasn't married he would never do such event.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Zecharia on October 19, 2008, 06:38:43 PM
I  do some research about czar Nicholas II.

It is some possibility, that Nicholas was visiting Ekaterinburg in January 1910.
Maybe participate in a costume party or ballet in local theatre?
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Zecharia on October 19, 2008, 06:55:07 PM
I  do some research about czar Nicholas II.

It is some possibility, that Nicholas was visiting Ekaterinburg in January 1910.
Maybe participate in a costume party or ballet in local theatre?
I just find that he could not visit theater, because it was build not until 1912.
http://www.ekaterinburg.tv/theatres.htm
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Alixz on April 26, 2009, 10:14:01 AM
Everyone get confused by the difference between Gregorian and Julian dates.

Nicholas was born on May 6 (Julian) which adding 12 days in the 19th century becomes May 18 (Gregorian).

After the turn of the 20th century, the Julian calendar fell another day behind and so Nicholas was still born on May 6 (Julian) but on the Gregorian calendar it was now May 19.

According to a Russian Orthodox poster, the Julian calendar did not fall another day behind the Gregorian at the turn of the 21st century, so it is still 13 days behind even now.

However, Nicholas's birthday was Job's Day or May 6, but is now celebrated on May 19th.

So where ever Nicholas was on May 21, 1908 would have nothing to do with his birthday even with the change in calendars.  In Russia, May 21st  would be May 8th and in the west it would be May 21st.  Neither of those days is his birthday.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: LisaDavidson on April 27, 2009, 04:14:36 PM
Everyone get confused by the difference between Gregorian and Julian dates.

Nicholas was born on May 6 (Julian) which adding 12 days in the 19th century becomes May 18 (Gregorian).

After the turn of the 20th century, the Julian calendar fell another day behind and so Nicholas was still born on May 6 (Julian) but on the Gregorian calendar it was now May 19.

According to a Russian Orthodox poster, the Julian calendar did not fall another day behind the Gregorian at the turn of the 21st century, so it is still 13 days behind even now.

However, Nicholas's birthday was Job's Day or May 6, but is now celebrated on May 19th.

So where ever Nicholas was on May 21, 1908 would have nothing to do with his birthday even with the change in calendars.  In Russia, May 21st  would be May 8th and in the west it would be May 21st.  Neither of those days is his birthday.

Also, celebrations were generally held on one's name day, not one's birthday, unless like the Emperor, one was born on one's name day.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: gleb on May 17, 2009, 07:07:26 AM
In this period I am reading a lot of old italian newspapers and sometimes I find little articles about the visits of the Tsar across Europe or in Russia.
But, as I said before, in the italian newspapers there are only short articles, while I supppose that in russian or english ones there should be exhaustive information.


My question is "Can we try to write a chronology of his travels?"

Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Alixz on May 17, 2009, 11:43:35 AM
Gleb - that is a great idea.

Do we start when he was tsarevich or after his marriage?
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Forum Admin on May 17, 2009, 12:20:44 PM
I'll fill in what I have at hand.  Please cut and paste and add to it, so that the end result will be the completed chronology.   This list is only for while Emperor and only outside the Russian Empire.  If you want more detail let us know:

1896  Aug.   Austria/Hungary (Vienna)
         Sept.   Denmark (Copenhagen)
         Sept/Oct   Great Britain  (Aberdeen, Balmoral)
         Oct.     France  (Paris, Versailles)
         Oct.    Germany (Darmstadt)

1901  Sept.    France  (Compiegne)
                    Denmark (Copenhagen)

1909   July   Germany (Kiel)
                   France (Cherbourg)
                   England (Cowes)
          Sept.  Italy (Rome)

1910   Aug.    Germany (Friedburg, Darmstadt, Hamburg)

1913  May     Germany (Berlin)

1914   June    Bulgaria (Constanza)
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on May 17, 2009, 12:26:31 PM
1896  Aug.   Austria/Hungary (Vienna)
         Sept.   Denmark (Copenhagen)
         Sept/Oct   Great Britain  (Aberdeen, Balmoral)
         Oct.     France  (Paris, Versailles)
         Oct.    Germany (Darmstadt)

1901  Sept.    France  (Compiegne)
                    Denmark (Copenhagen)

1909   July   Germany (Kiel)
                   France (Cherbourg)
                   England (Cowes)
       
          Oct.   Italy (Racconigi)

1910   Aug.    Germany (Friedburg, Darmstadt, Hamburg)

1913  May     Germany (Berlin)

1914   June    Romania (Constanza)
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: gleb on May 17, 2009, 02:19:02 PM
Thank you it is about to become very interesting!

Little correction in 1909 the Tsar did not visit Rome, he was only in Racconigi 23, 24 and 25 october. He arrived in the morning of the 23 and left on 25 at 3 p.m. He came directly from Russia.

In october 1903 the Imperial Couple was to visit Rome, but suddenly Prince Doulguruky went to Itlay and told the King the visit would be cancelled. In the newspapers I read it was roumored it happened becouse of Alexandra. She did not want to visit Rome as the italian socialists were against the Tsar.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: gleb on May 17, 2009, 02:25:57 PM
I have just read as follows:

In 1903 Nicholas and Alexandra were in Darmstadt for the wedding of Alice of Battenberg, then the Tsar visited Vienna and hunted with Franz Josef in Muerzsteg, and there was also an Imperial gathering in Wiesbaden. Then the Imerial Family left for Skienewice, where little Elisabeth died.

I will look to find the exact months.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: nena on May 17, 2009, 02:46:31 PM
How about Sweden, ca. 1906? Did IF ever visited Sweden?

And is Constantsa in Romania?
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Naslednik on May 18, 2009, 02:27:03 PM
Gleb, that is interesting about Alexandra and Rome.  But I have spent some time in archive NYTimes and rarely found articles with a lot of truth in them, unless they are reporting ceremony, like Alexei's christening.  Do you think that the press was being honest about Alexandra?

Another idea, once complete, we could attach pictures to these travels, like the image of the 4 Kings in 1903, and NII & GV in 1913.  Naslednik
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: gleb on May 19, 2009, 01:23:31 PM
Gleb, that is interesting about Alexandra and Rome.  But I have spent some time in archive NYTimes and rarely found articles with a lot of truth in them, unless they are reporting ceremony, like Alexei's christening.  Do you think that the press was being honest about Alexandra?



Generally I think you are right, but in this case I think she was really so afraid of terrorists (and sometimes she was right of course) that she forced the Tsar to give up, and consider that the thing was quite an offense for the King and the Queen who should have put them up, as the Imperial Appartements of the Quirinale Palace had been restored and refurnished for them.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: gleb on May 19, 2009, 01:25:36 PM
Today I read some articles of 1910.
In September the Tsar was in Germany with his wife and he visited the Kaiser in Potsdam.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on June 09, 2009, 10:31:53 AM
I read about the visit of King Chulalongkorn of Siam in St. Petersburg on June 19, 1897, he was received by Nicholas II at Peterhof Palace...I wonder if Nicholas II himself went in the Kingdom of Siam (actual Thailand) later, I'm never read or heard about it...
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on June 13, 2009, 10:44:58 AM
I found the information that I was looking for, Nicholas visited the South-East Asia, but when he was Tsarevich, before the visit of the King of Siam in St. Petersburg, take a look to this article: http://www.thaiair.com/plan-your-trip/destinations/en/wtf-279.htm

I hope that I'm not "off topic" with it, I don't know if I can post information about travels of Nicholas before his coronation...?
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Alixz on June 13, 2009, 01:15:53 PM
Absolutely - as the title says - as Tsar and Tsarevich
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Robert_Hall on June 13, 2009, 01:27:26 PM
Of course. Add any dates from any time. That is the idea of this chronology, is it not? Someday, I will settle down long enough, I will go through the [computer] translated diaries of his which tell of evey visit, every visitor, engagement, dinners and with whom. etc... This is a cumbersome project which one  must settle down for, much like a jigsaw puzzle.



 
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Alixz on June 13, 2009, 01:42:12 PM
Robert - nice to see you.

I know that you have all kinds of information which will help us to get this thread really going strong.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Alixz on June 14, 2009, 02:13:41 AM
I just came across the chronology of some of his time spent from 1890 through 1894.  As soon as I get it in order, I will post it.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: nena on June 14, 2009, 02:32:01 PM
Do we include Russian country trips? -- K. Selo and Crimea were parts of the Russian Empire.   ;-)
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Alixz on June 14, 2009, 02:35:07 PM
Yes, I was just trying to lead up to his engagement to Alix and the beginning and the end of his affair with MK.

But why not?  At least we won't think that he was just sitting around doing nothing and it will help clarify his withdrawn image.

He did a lot on the trip to the far East and I have to get into some other sources for the itinerary unless someone has is in a book in one place.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on June 14, 2009, 03:56:41 PM
1892 Marc.   Siam (Bangkok)  I have to ask about this one- is it correct?

Yes, Nicholas actually visited the Kingdom of Siam, please take a look in the article (post #37)....but the correct year is 1891 and not 1892, since the "Eastern journey" actually took place in late 1890 and 1891 : http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/5318350
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Alixz on June 14, 2009, 05:37:18 PM
RF4R  That is what I was questioning.  The year of the trip.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: nena on June 15, 2009, 07:17:21 AM
Ok- thank you. But I am sure you mean 1890, not 1980.

17   July 1980  Krasnoe Selo


And during 1915/6 we have to include visits to fronts - Belarus, -- Baranovichi, and Mogilev. in 1910 NII visited Riga too.  ;-)
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: nena on June 29, 2009, 07:54:02 PM
I will add a bit of information on the Grand Tour, though there are some differences over dates (I am using the old calendar, following contemporary accounts). I also use old names and locations, as we are dealing with what Nicholas experienced in his era - e.g. Trieste is in Austria and was its bustling naval headquarters; he wouldn't have had any reason to visit a minor Italian port

More in a while; it is quite tiring to assemble all this!       Janet Ashton:

23   March 1890 Mathilde's Kschessinska's graduation

17   July 1890  Krasnoe Selo

October 1890 : leaves Gatchina 23rd for tour of East etc
                      Austria:  Vienna
                                  Trieste (rendezvous with George Alexandrovich; departure for Greece)

 7  November  1890  Italy - Trieste (departure for Greece)
     November  1890  Greece: Olympia

                                     Athens - to pick up Prince George of Greece (departed, Nov. 7th)

                          Egypt: Cairo
                                  
                                    Nile Cruise through Luxor, the Valley of the Kings, etc as far as Aswan

                                    Memphis

                                    Suez
                        
                                    Aden

                            
December 18::   India     Bombay  (mow Mumbai)
                                   Elephanta (Hindu temples)
                                   Roaza (hunting), Dalautabad, Ellora (temples)
                                   Gujerat: Ahmedabad, Palanpur (Islamic culture)
                                   Rajputana: Jodhour, Ajmer, Jaipur, Alwar (temples and fortresses of the Rajput warrior caste)
                                   Delhi


January 1891: India still:
                                   Punjab: Lahore, Amritsar, Mathura, Sikranda (Sikh temples and monuments and the remnants of Moghuls i                                   including theTaj Mahal)


                                    
                                  
                                  
                                  



                                   Gwalior
                                   Kanpur  (memorials to the 1857 mutiny)
                                   Benares  (holiest city)
                                   Calcutta (British capital)
                                   Bombay (to say goodbye to George, who was sick)
                                   Madras
                                   Trichinopoly (temples)
                                   Madura (before departing for Ceylon)


                          
                                   Sri Lanka (known as Ceylon) - Colombo - Kandy (Temple of the Tooth) -  Nuwara Eliya (Queen's Cottage) -                                                                            Urudogawatta

                              Singapore

                              Indonesia - Batavia (now known as Jakarta)

         March  1891   Siam  (now known as Thailand) - Bangkok

                             Vietnam - Saigon

                             Hong Kong

                             Japan - Tokyo, Nagasaki, Kyoto

29  April 1891         Japan - Otsu

31  May  1891        Vladivostok - to lay the corner stone of the Trans Siberian Railway passenger station

4    August 1891    Krasnoe Selo to be reunited with his parents after the saber incident

10  March 1892     Ballet School Graduation

11 March 1892      first visit to MK's house nearby Krasnoe Selo

16 March 1892      St Petersburg

13 January 1893    Berlin for Margaret's wedding (to sound Alix out - he didn't get to talk to her)

13 March 1893      Crimea

20 June 1893       London, for George and Mary's wedding

10 August 1893    Denmark

2 April 1894          Coburg for Ducky and Ernst's wedding (and to pester Alix)

20 April 1894        Betrothal to Alix announced

03 June 1894       England

     July 1894       St Petersburg

14 November 1894 Marriage to Alexandra

15 November 1895  birth of Olga Nicholaevna

14  May 1986  Coronation


1896  Aug.     Austria/Hungary (Vienna)
         Sept.    Denmark (Copenhagen)
         Sept/Oct   Great Britain  (Aberdeen, Balmoral)
         Oct.      France  (Paris, Versailles)
         Oct.      Germany (Darmstadt)

1901  Sept.    France  (Compiegne)
                    Denmark (Copenhagen)

1903             Hesse - Darmstadt - (for the wedding of Alice of Battenberg)

                    Austria - Viennia -  Muerzsteg -

                    Germany - Wiesbaden - Skienewice  (little Elizabeth of Hesse died)

1909   July     Germany   (Kiel)
                    France     (Cherbourg)
                    England  - Cowes Regatta
        
          Oct.    Italy (Racconigi)

1910  July      England - Cowes Regatta


1910   Aug.   Germany (Friedburg, Darmstadt, Hamburg, Potsdam)

                    Latvia - (Riga)

1913  May     Germany (Berlin)

1914   June   Romania (Constanza)

1915             Baranovichi  (Stavka)
                    Sebastopool
     in the  end of December Nicholas leaves to new city of Russian Headquarters near the Dnieper River bank - Mogilev, returns back to Tsarskoe Selo in the spring of 1916.

1916            Mogilev   (Stavka)
  
 May 16th      Evpatoria (South Crimea)


Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on July 05, 2009, 04:50:25 AM
From the post #47:
Trieste is in Austria and was its bustling naval headquarters; he wouldn't have had any reason to visit a minor Italian port

Precisely, Trieste was under the Austro-ungharian domination, but actually is not Austria at all, is in the Italian north-east region of Friuli-Venezia Giulia, and is more close to Slovenia.

Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Janet Ashton on July 05, 2009, 05:58:58 AM
From the post #47:
Trieste is in Austria and was its bustling naval headquarters; he wouldn't have had any reason to visit a minor Italian port

Precisely, Trieste was under the Austro-ungharian domination, but actually is not Austria at all, is in the Italian north-east region of Friuli-Venezia Giulia, and is more close to Slovenia.



Hi,
   I felt after I posted it that I should have phrased that differently, as someone would likely misunderstand it. My sentence is supposed to indicate "according to my chronology, Trieste is in Austria". I mean to say that it doesn't matter to the chronology where anywhere is now, because he visited them for their status and position then. Its exact status in 1890 was still a Free Port of the Empire (it was this status which enabled it to become so important), and the province was the Austrian Littoral, of which it was the capital - indeed, most of the Littoral and Trieste's historic hinterland is now Slovenia, which was in 1890 the Austrian provinces of Karniola (Krain), parts of Styria (Steiermark), etc.

Anyway, here is some more of the Grand tour: -

 
  January 30th: Tuticorin, India (for departure to Ceylon).
  
  February: Sri Lanka (then known to Europeans as Ceylon): Colombo, Kandy (Temple of the Tooth),  Nuwara Eliya (Queen's Cottage, for hunting,                                                                            
                         Urudogawatta,
              Singapore

              Indonesia (the Dutch East Indies):  Batavia (now known as Jakarta), Bogor (colonial hill station), Papandayan (volcano), Bandung (ancient  
                           capital)

  March 1891: Siam  (now known as Thailand): Bangkok, Bang-pa-in (summer palace), Ayuthaya (ancient capital; there are loads of different  
                                       ways to spell this and I am not yet sure which is considered correct now)

                             Vietnam (French Indo-China): Saigon

                             Hong Kong
 
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on July 05, 2009, 06:15:00 AM
Hi,
   I felt after I posted it that I should have phrased that differently, as someone would likely misunderstand it. My sentence is supposed to indicate "according to my chronology, Trieste is in Austria". I mean to say that it doesn't matter to the chronology where anywhere is now, because he visited them for their status and position then. Its exact status in 1890 was still a Free Port of the Empire (it was this status which enabled it to become so important), and the province was the Austrian Littoral, of which it was the capital - indeed, most of the Littoral and Trieste's historic hinterland is now Slovenia, which was in 1890 the Austrian provinces of Karniola (Krain), parts of Styria (Steiermark), etc.

Oh I understand now, thanks for the clarification...perhaps I would have done better to indicate Trieste as still part of the Austro-ungharian Empire and not as Italian city.

Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Zecharia on July 05, 2009, 08:38:07 AM
From the post #47:
Trieste is in Austria and was its bustling naval headquarters; he wouldn't have had any reason to visit a minor Italian port

Precisely, Trieste was under the Austro-ungharian domination, but actually is not Austria at all, is in the Italian north-east region of Friuli-Venezia Giulia, and is more close to Slovenia.


Trieste is exactly on border in between Italy and Slovenia.  Next to town Koper, which lying in Slovenia.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Alixz on July 05, 2009, 09:39:12 AM
Janet - Thank you for all your help!  I am cutting and pasting to try to keep us in chronological order.




23   March 1890 Mathilde's Kschessinska's graduation

17   July 1890  Krasnoe Selo

October 1890 : leaves Gatchina 23rd for tour of East etc
                      Austria:  Vienna
                                  Trieste (rendezvous with George Alexandrovich; departure for Greece)

 7  November  1890  Italy - Trieste (departure for Greece)
     November  1890  Greece: Olympia

                                     Athens - to pick up Prince George of Greece (departed, Nov. 7th)

                          Egypt: Cairo
                                  
                                    Nile Cruise through Luxor, the Valley of the Kings, etc as far as Aswan

                                    Memphis

                                    Suez
                        
                                    Aden

                            
December 18::   India     Bombay  (now Mumbai)
                                   Elephanta (Hindu temples)
                                   Roaza (hunting), Dalautabad, Ellora (temples)
                                   Gujerat: Ahmedabad, Palanpur (Islamic culture)
                                   Rajputana: Jodhour, Ajmer, Jaipur, Alwar (temples and fortresses of the Rajput warrior caste)
                                   Delhi


January 1891: India still:
                                   Punjab: Lahore, Amritsar, Mathura, Sikranda (Sikh temples and monuments and the remnants of Moghuls i                                   including theTaj Mahal
                                   Gwalior
                                   Kanpur  (memorials to the 1857 mutiny)
                                   Benares  (holiest city)
                                   Calcutta (British capital)
                                   Bombay (to say goodbye to George, who was sick)
                                   Madras
                                   Trichinopoly (temples)
                                   Madura (before departing for Ceylon)

               January 30th: Tuticorin, India (for departure to Ceylon).
                          
                                   Sri Lanka (known as Ceylon) - Colombo - Kandy (Temple of the Tooth) -  Nuwara Eliya (Queen's Cottage) -                                                                            Urudogawatta

                              Singapore

                             Indonesia (the Dutch East Indies):  Batavia (now known as Jakarta), Bogor (colonial hill station), Papandayan (volcano), Bandung (ancient capital)


         March  1891:    Siam  (now known as Thailand): Bangkok, Bang-pa-in (summer palace), Ayuthaya (ancient capital; there are loads of different ways to spell this and I am not yet sure which is correct now)

                             Vietnam (French Indo China) - Saigon

                             Hong Kong

                             Japan - Tokyo, Nagasaki, Kyoto

29  April 1891         Japan - Otsu

31  May  1891        Vladivostok - to lay the corner stone of the Trans Siberian Railway passenger station

4    August 1891    Krasnoe Selo to be reunited with his parents after the saber incident

10  March 1892     Ballet School Graduation

11 March 1892      first visit to MK's house nearby Krasnoe Selo

16 March 1892      St Petersburg

13 January 1893    Berlin for Margaret's wedding (to sound Alix out - he didn't get to talk to her)

13 March 1893      Crimea

20 June 1893       London, for George and Mary's wedding

10 August 1893    Denmark

2 April 1894          Coburg for Ducky and Ernst's wedding (and to pester Alix)

20 April 1894        Betrothal to Alix announced

03 June 1894       England

     July 1894       St Petersburg

14 November 1894 Marriage to Alexandra

15 November 1895  birth of Olga Nicholaevna

14  May 1986  Coronation


1896  Aug.     Austria/Hungary (Vienna)
         Sept.    Denmark (Copenhagen)
         Sept/Oct   Great Britain  (Aberdeen, Balmoral)
         Oct.      France  (Paris, Versailles)
         Oct.      Germany (Darmstadt)

1901  Sept. 18-21    France  (Compiegne)
                    Denmark (Copenhagen)

1903             Hesse - Darmstadt - (for the wedding of Alice of Battenberg)

                    Austria - Viennia -  Muerzsteg -

                    Germany - Wiesbaden - Skienewice  (little Elizabeth of Hesse died)

1909   July     Germany   (Kiel)
                    France     (Cherbourg)
                    England  - Cowes Regatta
        
          Oct.    Italy (Racconigi)

1910  July      England - Cowes Regatta


1910   Aug.   Germany (Friedburg, Darmstadt, Hamburg, Potsdam)

                    Latvia - (Riga)

1913  May     Germany (Berlin)

1914   June   Romania (Constanza)

1915             Baranovichi  (Stavka)
                    Sebastopool
     in the  end of December Nicholas leaves to new city of Russian Headquarters near the Dnieper River bank - Mogilev, returns back to Tsarskoe Selo in the spring of 1916.

1916            Mogilev   (Stavka)
  
 May 16th      Evpatoria (South Crimea)


  
 
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Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Nayomini on July 07, 2009, 02:11:05 AM
 I am excited about the Tsar's visit to Ceylon - since I am from Sri Lanka , I am trying to find out more about the visit itself, the places visited. There's also a record, I am told, of a Romanov visiting the island in 1901, wonder who that was. Not Nicholas but perhaps a Grand Duke - shall dig up. 
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Carisbrooke on July 13, 2009, 07:08:44 AM
I returned from the isle of wight at the end of last week, so I am slightly out of sync with the tzar's chronology. Whilst there I took the liberty of contacting the offices of the county press, the islands local newspaper, enquiring if they were running a feature commemorating the 100th anniversary. As yet I've had no reply to my enquiry.

I am now back in northern parts, so could any UK southern based members or non members for that matter monitor the situation. The paper is issued every friday, so our possible target dates are, the 17th, 24th, & 31st of july taking us right up to regatta week.

The story of the tzar's visit to cowes on our main page is enchanting, though I feel there is more out there. The county press archives must be bursting at the seams with nice juicy information on this subject. So lets hope for the best.
   
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Carisbrooke on July 15, 2009, 09:44:58 AM
I was contacted today by the county press, a feature is being prepared. As yet no details of when it will appear.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 21, 2009, 12:34:06 PM
Alixz, are you using  the Russian or Western dates? I am about ready to start tackling the diaries and will start listing what I find. As there are about  one thousand pages [fortunately, he was writing a novel and was not really much of a writer] this is going to be a post-in-progress. Also, they are loose pages, not bound, computer-translated from the Russian. I will list just dates & names, no comments. I do not trust the translations well enough.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Alixz on July 21, 2009, 01:53:32 PM
I am using Russian dates.  Thank you for offering to help with this.  I had no idea that Nicholas traveled as extensively as he did both before and after his coronation.

Actually, I never asked the others who are helping out and posting with this what dates they are using.  I just assumed they were Russian.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Carisbrooke on July 22, 2009, 07:20:40 AM
More news of the Co Press feature, but it isn't good news. The piece will be in the "looking back" section only, this usually consists of 3 to 4 paragraphs at the very most. The reason for the shortness I am told is because of the lack of celebrations. This I feel just about sums up the mood of the whole island, one of general disintrest in the anniversary.

Yes this visit occurred 100 years ago but it was also one of the biggest events to take place on the island during those 100 years. I personally think they have all missed the bus on this one. It would have made excellent copy, & soon the opportunity will be lost forever. I did try.

Nevertheless they all seem nice people at the Co Press, & I would like to thank them for having the patience for listening & replying to my rambling e-mails.

Anyway gripe over. At least I had a nice hol, & I may get some posts out of it. That is once I can decipher how to post my pic's.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 22, 2009, 01:45:27 PM
This is just the first of about  one thousand pages to go through.  So, it will be a long process-
 to reiterate, the translations are computer generated- I cannot vouch for  spellings.
 I am going to try and avoid comment, except when I am am very sure of something.  For intance, Stavka was mobile, so locations vary for that.
 These start in 1916 and are not in any chronological order, so they  may jump about as far as dates. I have not read it all, so have no idea what may come up that we not already know. And as for the dates, I do not know which are used.  This being published by the Soviets, they had changed to the  Gregorian calendar, but Nicholas used the Julian in his diaries.  Perhaps someone  can co-ordinate ?
  From the first page- this caveat- DIARY OF NIKOLAI II  Text is printed on the publication: Red Archive 1927....without any notes from the original....stored in TSGADOR-Central State Archive.

1916 16 Dec. Orsha. breakfast with 3 Englishmen, Frenchmen  and even 3 rumyi [?]  Aleksey played.
 17 Dec.  Always in the railroad car. Tea with staff, conference.
 18 Dec. report of Lukomskogo. then to session with glavnokmand {?}
 19 Dec. Always in railroad car with Aleksei and daughters, then they went home.  Protopofov at dinner.
 20 Dec.....daytime with children. Trepova,
21 Dec.  ENTIRE family, photographs. Then BURIAL of Rasputin. [grigoriya] Reports from Shakovskogo & Ignatiev.
 22 Dec.  Sandro. Patron Saint Day of Anastasia.  Mordvinov.  Protopoopv,  Pokrovski.
 23 Dec. Voyeykov then the barge [? in December??]  Protopopov.
  24 Dec.  with daughters to end of mass  & vespers. Breakfast Sabin. V. kochubeya. Dinner with Anya & N. p. zanimalsy
25 Dec. Mass 2 hrs.  Regiments. 5pm Protopopov. Family of deceased Grigory [evening] in Ani. [?, but I assume AV cottage]
 26 Dec.  morning- Grigorovicha & Rittikha.  Railroad regiment sang chorus.  Jaunt with children and dinner with Mordvinov.
 27 Dec. reports Shuvayeva & Bulygina.

 If anyone is interested, I will contimue this.  It is impossible to spell check, so you get what I can come up with!

 
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: nena on July 22, 2009, 06:36:58 PM
Help with Russian:

'glavnokmand ' -- commander in chief

' 3 rumyi' -- 3 Romanians.

Orsha is railway- station. Yes, Stvaka locations vary, but we can be sure that is today Belarus Region, surrounded around Mogilev. Sorry for interruptions.

I think main visitings have to be mentioned, rather to some Front - Hospital ones. Just IMO. However, I may check NII's 1916 travels in details.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 22, 2009, 08:14:14 PM
That is  very welcome, nena.  A great help to everyone who reads this.
  I will note that Nicholas cites the various books he reads, often aloud to the family in the evening.  I am not  mentioning them, mainly because those readings are mentioned elsewhere and I do not know the authors for the most part.
 Next page-
 27 Dec continued. Walk with Tatiana & Maria.  Accepted  Rayeva.  After tea- cinema. Same content as at Moglieve [?]  Aleksey right hand  from injury fell ill, poor, suffered before the night.
 28 Dec. Accepted Dobrovol'skogo [?] * READ Shirinsky-Shikhmatov on the matters of Palestine.
  Aleksey is better. Breakfast with  with Anya & Groten. Walk with daughters. Accepted Maksimovich
 29 Dec.  Accepted Marmantova and the Il'lna on Red Cross. Then Scheglovitch. Then Fredericks and Tanwyev. Aleksey felt well but lay nevertheless.
 30 Dec.  English ambassador, b'yukenana[?] & Barka. Ural Cossacks deputation. Walk with daughters, Botkin.
 31 Dec. accepted Shuvayeva, Kul'chitskogo [?] and Frederickssa.
 Aleksey hand entirely well. Walk with children.  Accepted gen. of Beylayev then the vsenoschchnoy {??] Midnight public prayer.
 
 I will pause here to comment- one notices, in just these few days how many times
 Nicholas mentions the time he spends with his children, but Alexandra has not been mentioned once. AV is at breakfast a few times, where was the Empress? Just an interesting point on my part...

 1917
 1 Jan.  With daughters to mass.  Aleksey arose.   Mish with the kot[orym] [?] Left for large palace for reception of ministers. ambassodrs, etc.
 Uniform of  "plastunskoy{?}
 2 Jan. Accepted Grigorvichka, Rittkha..... walk in park with daughters . Protopopov, then Taneyev.
 3 Jan. Voyekov, then Shuyaeva. depart.  Pokrovsky. doctor kostrisky [?] who arrived from Yalta. Walk with daughters. Accepted Shakhovskogo.
 Farewell with Aleksey [back to stavka?].
 

 
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: nena on July 23, 2009, 05:22:03 AM
Thank you Mr. Hall!

'kotorym' means 'which', while 'vsenoschchnoy' means 'night'. Other words are names, mostly.

Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Alixz on July 28, 2009, 09:29:20 PM
23   March 1890             Mathilde's Kschessinska's graduation

17   July 1890                Krasnoe Selo

October 1890:               leaves Gatchina 23rd for tour of East etc
                                   Austria:  Vienna
                                   Trieste (rendezvous with George Alexandrovich;  
                                   departure for Greece)
                    

 7 November 1890         Italy - Trieste (departure for Greece)

November                     Greece: Olympia

                                    Athens - to pick up Prince George of Greece (departed,
                Nov. 7th)            

               Egypt:           Cairo
                                  
                                   Nile Cruise through Luxor, the Valley of the Kings, etc as
                                   Far as Aswan
                                                    
                                   Memphis
 
                                   Suez
                        
                                   Aden

                            
December 18::   India    Bombay  (now Mumbai)
                                   Elephanta (Hindu temples)
                                   Roaza (hunting), Dalautabad, Ellora (temples)
                                   Gujerat: Ahmedabad, Palanpur (Islamic culture)
                                   Rajputana: Jodhour, Ajmer, Jaipur, Alwar (temple and  fortresses of the Rajput warrior caste)
                                   Delhi


January 1891: India still:
                                   Punjab: Lahore, Amritsar, Mathura, Sikranda (Sikh temples and monuments and the remnants of Moghuls                                    including the Taj Mahal
                                   Gwalior
                                   Kanpur  (memorials to the 1857 mutiny)
                                   Benares  (holiest city)
                                   Calcutta (British capital)
                                   Bombay (to say goodbye to George, who was sick)
                                   Madras
                                   Trichinopoly (temples)
                                   Madura (before departing for Ceylon)

January 30th:                Tuticorin, India (for departure to Ceylon).
                          
                                   Sri Lanka (known as Ceylon) - Colombo - Kandy (Temple of the Tooth) - Nuwara Eliya (Queen's Cottage) - Urdogawatta                                                
                                   Singapore

                                   Indonesia (the Dutch East Indies):  Batavia (now known as Jakarta), Bogor (colonial hill station), Papandayan (volcano), Bandung (ancient capital)


March 1891:                 Siam  (now known as Thailand): Bangkok, Bang-pa-in (summer palace), Ayuthaya (ancient capital; there are loads of different ways to spell this and I am not yet sure which is correct now)

                                   Vietnam (French Indo China) - Saigon

                                    Hong Kong

                                   Japan - Tokyo, Nagasaki, Kyoto

29  April 1891               Japan - Otsu

31  May  1891              Vladivostok - to lay the corner stone of the Trans                  
                                   Siberian passenger station

4    August 1891           Krasnoe Selo to be reunited with his parents after the
                                   Saber incident                                        

10  March 1892            Ballet School Graduation

11 March 1892             first visit to MK's house nearby Krasnoe Selo

16 March 1892             St Petersburg

13 January 1893          Berlin for Margaret's wedding (to sound Alix out - he
                                  didn't get to talk to her)

13 March 1893            Crimea

20 June 1893              London, for George and Mary's wedding

10 August 1893           Denmark

2 April 1894                Coburg for Ducky and Ernst's wedding (and to pester
                                 Alix)

20 April 1894              Betrothal to Alix announced

03 June 1894              England

     July 1894              St Petersburg

14 November 1894     Marriage to Alexandra

15 November 1895     birth of Olga Nicholaevna

14 May 1986              Coronation - Moscow


1896 Aug.                  Austria/Hungary (Vienna)
         Sept.                Denmark (Copenhagen)
         Sept/Oct           Great Britain (Aberdeen, Balmoral)
         Oct.                 France (Paris, Versailles)
         Oct.                 Germany (Darmstadt)

1901 Sept. 18-21        France (Compiegne)
                                Denmark (Copenhagen)

1903                         Hesse - Darmstadt - (for the wedding of Alice of
                                Battenberg)

                                Austria - Vienna - Muerzsteg -

                                Germany - Wiesbaden - Skienewice (little Elizabeth of            
                                Hesse  Died)

1909   June               Sweden  (Stockholm). June 20-21
          July                Germany   (Kiel)
                                France     (Cherbourg)
                                England - Cowes Regatta
        
          Oct.                Italy (Racconigi)

1910 July                  England - Cowes Regatta


1910   Aug.               Germany (Friedberg, Darmstadt, Hamburg, Potsdam)

                                Latvia - (Riga)

1913 May                  Germany (Berlin)

1914   June               Romania (Constanza)

1915                         Baranovichi (Stavka)
                                  Sebastopol

                    In the end of December, Nicholas leaves to new city of Russian Headquarters near the Dnieper River bank - Mogilev, returns back to Tsarskoe Selo in the spring of 1916.

1916 16 Dec. Orsha. Breakfast with 3 Englishmen, Frenchmen and even 3 rumyi [?]  Aleksey played.

 17 Dec.        Always in the railroad car. Tea with staff, conference.

 18 Dec.        Report of Lukomskogo. Then to session with glavnokmand {?}

 19 Dec.        Always in railroad car with Aleksei and daughters, then they went home.  Protopopov at dinner.

 20 Dec.        Daytime with children. Trepova,
 
21 Dec.         ENTIRE family, photographs. Then BURIAL of Rasputin. [Grigoriya] Reports from Shakovskogo & Ignatiev.
 
 22 Dec.        Sandro. Patron Saint Day of Anastasia.  Mordvinov.  Protopopov,   Pokrovski.
 

23 Dec.        Voyeykov then the barge [? in December??]  Protopopov

24 Dec         With daughters to end of mass & vespers. Breakfast Sabin. V.  Kochubeya. Dinner with Anya & N. P. Zanimalsy
 
25 Dec.         Mass 2 hrs.  Regiments. 5pm Protopopov. Family of deceased Grigory [evening] in Ani. [?, but I assume AV cottage]

 26 Dec.       morning- Grigorovicha & Rittikha.  Railroad regiment sang chorus.  Jaunt with children and dinner with Mordvinov.
 
 27 Dec.        Reports Shuvayeva & Bulygina.


1916             Mogilev   (Stavka)
  
16 May 1916 Evpatoria (South Crimea)

Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Alixz on July 28, 2009, 09:32:32 PM
Thank you to everyone who has been helping me to make this chronology a reality.



Alixz


Newly cut and pasted version just one post up.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Alixz on August 16, 2009, 08:38:49 AM
To everyone who is interested in this chronology,  Mr. Hall has sent me some of the pages from Nicholas II's diary to sort and post.  However, I have some family issues that I need to address right now.

I will be watching my moderation threads, but I will be posting less for a while.

If anyone wants to keep posting, please do so.

I am still very interested in how much Nicholas and Alexandra travelled during their reign and the itinerary of Nicholas's Trip to the Far East as a Tsarevich.  I hope you are , too.

Alixz
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Joanna on August 16, 2009, 10:01:58 AM
Standart cruises around Virohlati, Finland including official ceremonial visits within Baltic area:

1905
July 23rd -24th
August 29th
September 17th to October 1st

1906
September 13th to October 7th

1907
August 8th
October 12th to 19th

1908
June 12th to 27th
July 2nd to 16th
July 24th – 25th
July 29th to August 2nd
August 31st to October 20th

1909
June 12th to 25th
June 30th to July 7th

1910
June 15th 
July 8th
July 19th to August 1st

1911
June 18th to August 9th

1912
July 12th to August 10th

1913
June 23rd to July 25th

1914
July 2nd
July 14th to 19th
July 23rd
August 8th to 10th

From “Keisarit Kesalomalla Suomessa” – Jorma & Paivi Tuomi-Nikula, 2002

Joanna


Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: nena on August 18, 2009, 07:12:44 PM
                                                              Complete Nicholas II 1915 journeys
                                                                           (from 1915 diary)


Date   
                                                       Place

January 23rd                                                 Stavka
January 26th                                                 Rovno
January 27th                                                 Kiev
January 28th                                                 Poltava
January 29th                                                 Sevastopool
January  30th                                                Ekaterinoslav
February 2nd                                                 back to Tsarskoe Selo
February 24th                                 
            on the Finish road, on the next day he arrived in Helsinki, Finland, on January 26th  he was back to Tsarskoe Selo

March  1st                                                      Baranovichi, Stavka
March 11th                                                     Rovno, and Tsarskoe Selo
March 13th                                                     Izmail, Ukraine (not sure)
April  5th                                                        Stavka (Baranovichi)
April 9th                                                         Lviv, Ukraine
April 10th                                                       railroad Samborg, Khyriv, Peremyshl
April 11th                                                       Lviv
April 14th                                                       Odessa
April 15th                                                       Mykolaiv
April 16th                                                       Sevastopool
April 21st                                                       Tver
April 22nd                                                      Tsarskoe Selo
May 5th                                                         Stavka, on the 14th, he returned back to Tsarskoe Selo
June 9th                                                        on the Baltic
June 11th                                                      Stavka
June 22nd                                                      Belowezh, and back to Stavka
June 28th                                                      Tsarskoe Selo
August 23rd                                                   ‘his own Stavka’, around Mogilev
September 1st                                               Gomel, (he spent August visiting front)
September 22nd                                            Orsha railroad
September 23rd                                             Tsarskoe Selo
October 1st                                                   Pskov, accompanied with Alexei
October 2nd                                                  Rezhitsa
October 3rd                                                   arrival at Mogilev
October 12th                                                 Berdichev, Rovno
October 13th                                                 Volochisk
October 15h                                                  Mogilev
October 19th                                                 Tsarskoe Selo
October 28th                                                  Revel
October 29th                                                  Riga, Pskov
October 30th                                                 Mogilev
November 7th                                                Odessa
November 8th                                                Tiraspol , today Moldova
November 9th                                                Reni
November 10th                                              Balta
November 11th                                              Herson, Nikolaev
November 12th                                              Mogilev
November 18th                                              Tsarskoe Selo
November 25th                                              Mogilev, Stavka
December 5th                                                Tsarskoe Selo
December 13th                                              Mogilev
December 15th                                              Cherni Ostrov, Volochisk, Podvolochisk
December 17th                                              Mogilev
December 19th                                              Orsha (railroad station)
December 20th                                              Zamir
Decembe  23rd                                              Vileyka
December 24th                                             Tsarskoe Selo
December 31st                                              Mogilev, Stavka

Nicholas mentions his and family's visits to Peterhof, Pavlovsk and Ropsha palace, including Winter Palace too. As well as for the Church Services (moleben ) and walking on outings with children too. Places like those are not mentioned in this list, he spent at Tsarskoe Selo.

I hope I succeeded.

Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Janet Ashton on September 27, 2009, 06:51:26 AM
I am not quite sure this is the right thread for this (if not, please can someone post it elsewhere?), but I have uploaded an article about Nicholas's travels in 1890-1 to the other royal site I contribute to....

http://www.unofficialroyalty.com/janet-ashton/834-nicholas-iis-feted-journey-the-1890-grand-tour-of-the-east
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Alixz on September 29, 2009, 04:24:28 PM
Janet - thank you.

I have some information from Robert, but I have been too busy lately to get to sorting and posting it.

thanks again.

Alixz
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: tutsi on February 15, 2010, 05:28:37 AM
Hi, is there a map available of the railroad routes when the tsar travelled by rail. One that shows in detail all the routes from date range of one year before the executions up to the last time he travelled by train.

Many Thanks.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: tutsi on March 12, 2010, 06:45:00 AM
Hmpf! Obviously no one has one..so I'll to hoof it on over and do it by leg!
DOES ANYONE HAVE AT THE VERY LEAST A MAP~I SUPPOSE I'LL JUST GO ASK DAD~! :P

Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: nena on March 12, 2010, 01:27:11 PM
What a miracle! I was thinking about making the map with all cities in Europe/Asia Nicholas II lived and stayed at. Will do more on that project.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Teddy on January 22, 2011, 03:48:28 PM
We forget his trip to Italy in 1902. I wonder why Alexandra didn't went with him!
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Luciano on January 26, 2011, 07:59:43 PM
Hello;

I'm from Mar del Plata, Argentina. It's said  that Nicholas II was at the opening of the luxurious Bristol Hotel here, in Mar del Plata, on January 8, 1888. I found an article of the Caras y Caretas magazine about it (issue #1635, 02/01/1930)

The article said that the tsarevich was a Naval Cadet on instruction trip. May it be true? Or is a mistake, maybe another member of the Imperial Family was here? I couldn't found nothing about this in other sources.

Thanks in advance, and sorry for my english...

Luciano
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on January 27, 2011, 10:18:28 AM
Hi, Luciano. Your English is very good!

I'm from Mar del Plata, Argentina. It's said  that Nicholas II was at the opening of the luxurious Bristol Hotel here, in Mar del Plata, on January 8, 1888. I found an article of the Caras y Caretas magazine about it (issue #1635, 02/01/1930)

The article said that the tsarevich was a Naval Cadet on instruction trip. May it be true? Or is a mistake, maybe another member of the Imperial Family was here? I couldn't found nothing about this in other sources.

It was probably another member of the Imperial Family. Nicholas was not in the navy and he only visited the Eastern Hemisphere in his famous "grand tour", the aptly named eastern journey in 1890–1891. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_journey_of_Nicholas_II)

My guess is that it was Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Luciano on January 27, 2011, 12:35:39 PM
Thank you very much!!

It wasn't Grand Duke Alexander Mikhaelovich either, because he was on board of the Corvette Rynda on January 23,  1888, comming from Port Moresby;  so is still a mystery (for me) who was in Mar del Plata, Argentina on January 8, 1888. Was usual that Russian training ships came to South America in late 1880's?  Any idea where can I found some information about that?

Thanks again,

Luciano
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Rodney_G. on January 29, 2011, 03:34:46 PM
Re:  Nicholas in 1903, visit to Germany, Wiesbaden, Skienewice (where little Elizabeth of Hesse died). That last site (Skienewice, sp?) would have been visited in late October, early  November, I believe. Also, I thought it was in Russian Poland,not Germany, but am not sure.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Alixz on February 14, 2011, 01:39:46 PM
Hello;

I'm from Mar del Plata, Argentina. It's said  that Nicholas II was at the opening of the luxurious Bristol Hotel here, in Mar del Plata, on January 8, 1888. I found an article of the Caras y Caretas magazine about it (issue #1635, 02/01/1930)

The article said that the tsarevich was a Naval Cadet on instruction trip. May it be true? Or is a mistake, maybe another member of the Imperial Family was here? I couldn't found nothing about this in other sources.

Thanks in advance, and sorry for my English...

Luciano

On 17 October 1888, Nicholas and his family were on the train that crashed at Borki.  I know this is 10 months after the supposed visit to Argentina, but it gives us some indication of the period of Nicholas's life at that time.  His father was still tsar and he was tsarevich, but I haven't found yet where he was in January of 1888.

Also, in 1887 at the age of 19, Nicholas given his first command in the army.  He was not in the navy and so would not have been on a training mission to anywhere in 1888.

I can find lots of information on where he was in the winter of 1889 as that was Alix's second visit to St. Petersburg and she stayed with Ella and spent a lot of time with Nicholas during the season before lent.

1888 seems harder to find.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Luciano on February 22, 2011, 05:50:07 PM
Thank you very much Alixz!!

Here, at Mar del Plata, historians speak about the supposed presence of the (then) Tzarevich Nicholas at the opening of Bristol Hotel, on January 8, 1888,  like a true. But the only reference I see is that of Caras y Caretas magazine. The issue is available online at the Spanish National Library, at this site:

http://hemerotecadigital.bne.es/cgi-bin/Pandora.exe

Is the issue #1635, from January 2, 1930.


Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Luciano on February 23, 2011, 06:58:58 PM
Hi again,

Searching for "Nicholas II" + "Mar del Plata", in books.google.com, I found:

The United States and the southern cone: Argentina, Chile, and Uruguay
   
Arthur Preston Whitaker - 1976 - 464 pages - Snippet view
Two years later, Pellegrini presided, and the future Tsar Nicholas II of Russia was a guest, at the banquet inaugurating the luxurious Bristol Hotel, around which the high life at Mar del Plata revolved for the next half century. ...
books.google.com - More editions

It's a book published in USA, in 1976, and also speaks about Nicholas being at Mar del Plata in 1888. Unfortunately, the book is in snippet view, for copyrigth reasons.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Carisbrooke on March 08, 2012, 06:58:08 AM
   Another version of the Tsar's arrival at Cowes 1909 as reported by a New Zealand newspaper. Security was tight though it appears not to have spoilt OTMAA's fun, as they were driven through the cheering crowds waving & blowing kisses.

PAPERSPAST : THE NATIONAL LIBRARY OF NEW ZEALAND
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=EP19090915.2.40&l=mi&e-------10--1-byDA---0-- (http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=EP19090915.2.40&l=mi&e-------10--1-byDA---0--)

A full description of the event is available on the AP main site
HERE  http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/cowes1909.html (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/cowes1909.html)
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Forum Admin on March 08, 2012, 09:16:44 AM
Hi again,

Searching for "Nicholas II" + "Mar del Plata", in books.google.com, I found:

The United States and the southern cone: Argentina, Chile, and Uruguay
   
Arthur Preston Whitaker - 1976 - 464 pages - Snippet view
Two years later, Pellegrini presided, and the future Tsar Nicholas II of Russia was a guest, at the banquet inaugurating the luxurious Bristol Hotel, around which the high life at Mar del Plata revolved for the next half century. ...
books.google.com - More editions

It's a book published in USA, in 1976, and also speaks about Nicholas being at Mar del Plata in 1888. Unfortunately, the book is in snippet view, for copyrigth reasons.

That book is, quite simply. Incorrect. Nicholas II did NOT ever visit South America ever for any reason. Sorry.

Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Превед on September 12, 2013, 06:11:13 PM
Does anyone know if there is any truth to the story that the Emperor was the target of an assassination attempt when visiting Stockholm on the 26th of June 1909? The anarchist gunman Hjalmar Wång never got close enough instead to the Emperor and instead shot and killed a Swedish officer and himself, according to the Swedish Wikipedia (http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hjalmar_W%C3%A5ng9).
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Forum Admin on September 12, 2013, 06:20:51 PM
Nicholas II never visited Stockholm or even Sweden, so, no
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: edubs31 on September 12, 2013, 10:43:05 PM
Do we know of any foreign countries that Nicholas had planned to visit but never had the chance to? Trips that either were cancelled for one reason or another or perhaps destinations he longed to see but was never able to fit it into his schedule?
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: nena on September 13, 2013, 12:14:03 PM
Nicholas II never visited Stockholm or even Sweden, so, no

He did, according to Russian sites, in June of 1909.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: rudy3 on September 13, 2013, 02:29:22 PM
Also Nikolai Sablin in his "10 year on the imperial yacht Standart" mentions this visit.

A swedish article by an anarchist pamphlet press tells the story of the Wång attentate: June 26th the tsar and his entourage arrived in Stockholm and had dinner at the palace. It did not last long in the evening, the tsar retired early. Three high officials, major-general Beckman, captain Dahlgren and captain Hermelin decided to continue the evning in Grand Hotel (where Obama stayed last week) opposite the palace. Around midnight they left the hotel, Hermelin in one direction, Beckman and Dahlgren in the other, through the park Kungträdgården. As a polite gesture to the tsar, Beckman was dressed that evening in a russian admiral costume. We do not know why, but Hjalmar Wång was hiding and waiting in ths park.Probably he had realized it was not able for him to get close to the tsar and instead decided to save the world from a high russian officer, not knowing that this russian officer was a swedish major-general. Beckman and Dahlgren, both a little drunk, do not notice Wång. Then a shot and Beckman falls. A second shot misses Dahlgren and hits some K.P. Levander who happens to pass by. He is not hurt severely. The third shot Hjalmar Wång aims at himself. He is badly wounded and would die the next day.......   
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Превед on September 13, 2013, 02:57:43 PM
Ah, interesting, thank you! Here (http://www.stockholmskallan.se/Soksida/?time=3:1909|6|26) are some other Swedish contemporary sources about the visit, which otherwise was marked by the Social-Democratic mayor's order (eventually voted down in the city council) that the city should refuse to fly the flag from the city hall, in protest against the state visit of a "dictator and tyrann".

(Very interesting parallell with Obama! One could draw it even further, with Lenin visiting Stockholm for a Social-Democratic congress in 1907 and Julian Assange staying there some time ago.)

And that other meeting with Gustaf V, when they met on their yachts, did it take place on a Swedish or a Finnish island?

BTW NII's last visit to Finland was an official inspection visit to Helsinki in 1915. He was met with indifference.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: rudy3 on September 13, 2013, 03:11:33 PM
That other meeting also took place in Sweden. They stayed in Sweden till Olga's name day, July 24th, and then returned to Peterhof.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Превед on September 13, 2013, 03:20:12 PM
That other meeting also took place in Sweden. They stayed in Sweden till Olga's name day, July 24th, and then returned to Peterhof.
Wow, they stayed for a whole month?

That other meeting also took place in Sweden. They stayed in Sweden till Olga's name day, July 24th, and then returned to Peterhof.
BTW according to this Swedish popular history article (http://www.popularhistoria.se/artiklar/gustaf-v-kung-maktlos/), 1909 was also the year when Gustaf V received in audience (and made advances to) a 12 year old scout called Kurt Haijby, something which came back to kick his posthumous reputation in the a** (if you excuse the coarse pun!) in the 1950s.

One does start to wonder how the lecherous pedophile Gustaf V might have ogled the Tsesarevich if he had been some years older, not at least because Gustaf, who had been weak and sickly as a child, might have recognized something of himself in the boy....
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Forum Admin on September 13, 2013, 03:52:37 PM
Also Nikolai Sablin in his "10 year on the imperial yacht Standart" mentions this visit.

A swedish article by an anarchist pamphlet press tells the story of the Wång attentate: June 26th the tsar and his entourage arrived in Stockholm and had dinner at the palace. It did not last long in the evening, the tsar retired early. Three high officials, major-general Beckman, captain Dahlgren and captain Hermelin decided to continue the evning in Grand Hotel (where Obama stayed last week) opposite the palace. Around midnight they left the hotel, Hermelin in one direction, Beckman and Dahlgren in the other, through the park Kungträdgården. As a polite gesture to the tsar, Beckman was dressed that evening in a russian admiral costume. We do not know why, but Hjalmar Wång was hiding and waiting in ths park.Probably he had realized it was not able for him to get close to the tsar and instead decided to save the world from a high russian officer, not knowing that this russian officer was a swedish major-general. Beckman and Dahlgren, both a little drunk, do not notice Wång. Then a shot and Beckman falls. A second shot misses Dahlgren and hits some K.P. Levander who happens to pass by. He is not hurt severely. The third shot Hjalmar Wång aims at himself. He is badly wounded and would die the next day.......   

I stand partially corrected.  Nicholas spent one day in Stockholm to visit the King of Sweden at the Palace. They were on the Standart returning from Finland.  They were there overnight from June 20-21 OS 1909 and then went to Peterhof June 22 OS.  Spiridovitch "Les Derneires Annees" Vol I pg 321.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Forum Admin on September 13, 2013, 03:59:26 PM
23   March 1890             Mathilde's Kschessinska's graduation

17   July 1890                Krasnoe Selo

October 1890:               leaves Gatchina 23rd for tour of East etc
                                   Austria:  Vienna
                                   Trieste (rendezvous with George Alexandrovich; 
                                   departure for Greece)
                   

 7 November 1890         Italy - Trieste (departure for Greece)

November                     Greece: Olympia

                                    Athens - to pick up Prince George of Greece (departed,
                Nov. 7th)           

               Egypt:           Cairo
                                 
                                   Nile Cruise through Luxor, the Valley of the Kings, etc as
                                   Far as Aswan
                                                   
                                   Memphis
 
                                   Suez
                       
                                   Aden

                           
December 18::   India    Bombay  (now Mumbai)
                                   Elephanta (Hindu temples)
                                   Roaza (hunting), Dalautabad, Ellora (temples)
                                   Gujerat: Ahmedabad, Palanpur (Islamic culture)
                                   Rajputana: Jodhour, Ajmer, Jaipur, Alwar (temple and  fortresses of the Rajput warrior caste)
                                   Delhi


January 1891: India still:
                                   Punjab: Lahore, Amritsar, Mathura, Sikranda (Sikh temples and monuments and the remnants of Moghuls                                    including the Taj Mahal
                                   Gwalior
                                   Kanpur  (memorials to the 1857 mutiny)
                                   Benares  (holiest city)
                                   Calcutta (British capital)
                                   Bombay (to say goodbye to George, who was sick)
                                   Madras
                                   Trichinopoly (temples)
                                   Madura (before departing for Ceylon)

January 30th:                Tuticorin, India (for departure to Ceylon).
                         
                                   Sri Lanka (known as Ceylon) - Colombo - Kandy (Temple of the Tooth) - Nuwara Eliya (Queen's Cottage) - Urdogawatta                                               
                                   Singapore

                                   Indonesia (the Dutch East Indies):  Batavia (now known as Jakarta), Bogor (colonial hill station), Papandayan (volcano), Bandung (ancient capital)


March 1891:                 Siam  (now known as Thailand): Bangkok, Bang-pa-in (summer palace), Ayuthaya (ancient capital; there are loads of different ways to spell this and I am not yet sure which is correct now)

                                   Vietnam (French Indo China) - Saigon

                                    Hong Kong

                                   Japan - Tokyo, Nagasaki, Kyoto

29  April 1891               Japan - Otsu

31  May  1891              Vladivostok - to lay the corner stone of the Trans                 
                                   Siberian passenger station

4    August 1891           Krasnoe Selo to be reunited with his parents after the
                                   Saber incident                                       

10  March 1892            Ballet School Graduation

11 March 1892             first visit to MK's house nearby Krasnoe Selo

16 March 1892             St Petersburg

13 January 1893          Berlin for Margaret's wedding (to sound Alix out - he
                                  didn't get to talk to her)

13 March 1893            Crimea

20 June 1893              London, for George and Mary's wedding

10 August 1893           Denmark

2 April 1894                Coburg for Ducky and Ernst's wedding (and to pester
                                 Alix)

20 April 1894              Betrothal to Alix announced

03 June 1894              England

     July 1894              St Petersburg

14 November 1894     Marriage to Alexandra

15 November 1895     birth of Olga Nicholaevna

14 May 1986              Coronation - Moscow


1896 Aug.                  Austria/Hungary (Vienna)
         Sept.                Denmark (Copenhagen)
         Sept/Oct           Great Britain (Aberdeen, Balmoral)
         Oct.                 France (Paris, Versailles)
         Oct.                 Germany (Darmstadt)

1901 Sept. 18-21        France (Compiegne)
                                Denmark (Copenhagen)

1903                         Hesse - Darmstadt - (for the wedding of Alice of
                                Battenberg)

                                Austria - Vienna - Muerzsteg -

                                Germany - Wiesbaden - Skienewice (little Elizabeth of           
                                Hesse  Died)

1909   June               Sweden  (Stockholm). June 20-21
          July                Germany   (Kiel)
                                France     (Cherbourg)
                                England - Cowes Regatta
       
          Oct.                Italy (Racconigi)

1910 July                  England - Cowes Regatta


1910   Aug.               Germany (Friedberg, Darmstadt, Hamburg, Potsdam)

                                Latvia - (Riga)

1913 May                  Germany (Berlin)

1914   June               Romania (Constanza)

1915                         Baranovichi (Stavka)
                                  Sebastopol

                    In the end of December, Nicholas leaves to new city of Russian Headquarters near the Dnieper River bank - Mogilev, returns back to Tsarskoe Selo in the spring of 1916.

1916 16 Dec. Orsha. Breakfast with 3 Englishmen, Frenchmen and even 3 rumyi [?]  Aleksey played.

 17 Dec.        Always in the railroad car. Tea with staff, conference.

 18 Dec.        Report of Lukomskogo. Then to session with glavnokmand {?}

 19 Dec.        Always in railroad car with Aleksei and daughters, then they went home.  Protopopov at dinner.

 20 Dec.        Daytime with children. Trepova,
 
21 Dec.         ENTIRE family, photographs. Then BURIAL of Rasputin. [Grigoriya] Reports from Shakovskogo & Ignatiev.
 
 22 Dec.        Sandro. Patron Saint Day of Anastasia.  Mordvinov.  Protopopov,   Pokrovski.
 

23 Dec.        Voyeykov then the barge [? in December??]  Protopopov

24 Dec         With daughters to end of mass & vespers. Breakfast Sabin. V.  Kochubeya. Dinner with Anya & N. P. Zanimalsy
 
25 Dec.         Mass 2 hrs.  Regiments. 5pm Protopopov. Family of deceased Grigory [evening] in Ani. [?, but I assume AV cottage]

 26 Dec.       morning- Grigorovicha & Rittikha.  Railroad regiment sang chorus.  Jaunt with children and dinner with Mordvinov.
 
 27 Dec.        Reports Shuvayeva & Bulygina.


1916             Mogilev   (Stavka)
 
16 May 1916 Evpatoria (South Crimea)

Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Превед on September 13, 2013, 04:38:55 PM
Do we know of any foreign countries that Nicholas had planned to visit but never had the chance to? Trips that either were cancelled for one reason or another or perhaps destinations he longed to see but was never able to fit it into his schedule?

As Наследник Норвежский (Heir to Norway) and всея северныя страны Повелитель (Master of all the Northern Regions, similar to Finland's proposed Pohjolan isäntä), one imagines he was curious to visit Norway and the North Cape (perhaps even ancient Norwegian Arctic dominions like Greenland and Spitsbergen, made famous by Nansen), but unlike many of his royal contemporaries, he never did.

BTW did he ever visit Velikaya knyaginya Maria Pavlovna's homeland Mecklenburg, arguably the Western European country which ressembled Russia the most in terms of politics, economy and reactionary backwardness, but still being more prosperous, advanced and modernized than Russia, was a kind of model of what Russia could aspire to be, as NII's ideal agrarian autocracy.

1909   June               Sweden  (Stockholm). June 20-21
          July                Germany   (Kiel)
                                France     (Cherbourg)
                                England - Cowes Regatta
One presumes the Герцог Шлезвиг-Голстинский (Gertsog Schlesvig-Golsteinskiy) cruised through his ancestral duchies on the recently-built Kaiser-Wilhelm (Kieler) Canal on the trip from the Baltic to the North Sea?
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: rudy3 on September 14, 2013, 03:25:25 AM
Yes, you are right, Forum Admin. I missread Sablin. They stayed one night in Stockholm, aboard the Standart. He, however, mentioned that the next day they visited the King's palace Drottningholm, and only the next day left for Finland.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Forum Admin on September 14, 2013, 09:02:44 AM
Do we know of any foreign countries that Nicholas had planned to visit but never had the chance to? Trips that either were cancelled for one reason or another or perhaps destinations he longed to see but was never able to fit it into his schedule?

As Наследник Норвежский (Heir to Norway) and всея северныя страны Повелитель (Master of all the Northern Regions, similar to Finland's proposed Pohjolan isäntä), one imagines he was curious to visit Norway and the North Cape (perhaps even ancient Norwegian Arctic dominions like Greenland and Spitsbergen, made famous by Nansen), but unlike many of his royal contemporaries, he never did.

BTW did he ever visit Velikaya knyaginya Maria Pavlovna's homeland Mecklenburg, arguably the Western European country which ressembled Russia the most in terms of politics, economy and reactionary backwardness, but still being more prosperous, advanced and modernized than Russia, was a kind of model of what Russia could aspire to be, as NII's ideal agrarian autocracy.

1909   June               Sweden  (Stockholm). June 20-21
          July                Germany   (Kiel)
                                France     (Cherbourg)
                                England - Cowes Regatta
One presumes the Герцог Шлезвиг-Голстинский (Gertsog Schlesvig-Golsteinskiy) cruised through his ancestral duchies on the recently-built Kaiser-Wilhelm (Kieler) Canal on the trip from the Baltic to the North Sea?
Yes, they sailed through the Kiel Canal.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: matushka on September 14, 2013, 01:49:55 PM

1916 16 Dec. Orsha. Breakfast with 3 Englishmen, Frenchmen and even 3 rumyi 3 men from RUMANIA[?]  Aleksey played.

 17 Dec.        Always in the railroad car. Tea with staff, conference.

 18 Dec.        Report of Lukomskogo. Then to session with glavnokmand The commander in chief{?}

 19 Dec.        Always in railroad car with Aleksei and daughters, then they went home.  Protopopov at dinner.

 20 Dec.        Daytime with children. Trepova TREPOV
 
21 Dec.         ENTIRE family, photographsNO, NEAR THE BUILDING OF PHOTOGRAPHS . Then BURIAL of Rasputin. [Grigoriya] Reports from Shakovsky & Ignatiev.
 
 22 Dec.        Sandro. Patron Saint Day of Anastasia.  Mordvinov.  Protopopov,   Pokrovski.
 

23 Dec.        Voyeykov then the barge BARK, a man[? in December??]  Protopopov

24 Dec         With daughters to end of mass & vespers. Breakfast Sabin. V.  Kochubeya. Dinner with Anya & N. P. Zanimalsy
 
25 Dec.         Mass 2 hrs.  Regiments. 5pm Protopopov. Family of deceased Grigory [evening] in Ani. Of course AT ANIA'S[?, but I assume AV cottageYES]

 26 Dec.       morning- Grigorovich & Rittikh.  Railroad regiment sang chorus.  Jaunt with children and dinner with Mordvinov.
 
 


1916             Mogilev   (Stavka)
 
16 May 1916 Evpatoria (South Crimea)


Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Inok Nikolai on July 03, 2014, 04:14:35 PM

1914   June               Romania (Constanza)



Concerning which, Paul Gilbert recently posted an article on the 100th anniversary, with films:
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/blog/index.blog/1455160/national-history-museum-of-romania-hosts-exhibit-dedicated-to-1914-visit-of-nicholas-ii-to-constanta/
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Rodney_G. on July 24, 2014, 04:46:46 PM
I'll fill in what I have at hand.  Please cut and paste and add to it, so that the end result will be the completed chronology.   This list is only for while Emperor and only outside the Russian Empire.  If you want more detail let us know:

1896  Aug.   Austria/Hungary (Vienna)
         Sept.   Denmark (Copenhagen)
         Sept/Oct   Great Britain  (Aberdeen, Balmoral)
         Oct.     France  (Paris, Versailles)
         Oct.    Germany (Darmstadt)

1901  Sept.    France  (Compiegne)
                    Denmark (Copenhagen)

1909   July   Germany (Kiel)
                   France (Cherbourg)
                   England (Cowes)
          Sept.  Italy (Rome)

1910   Aug.    Germany (Friedburg, Darmstadt, Hamburg)

1913  May     Germany (Berlin)

1914   June    Bulgaria (Constanza)


Pardon  bringing up this old  post, but in trying to place Nicholas and family around the turn of the century recently, I found this. Is it possible Nicholas didn't travel outside of Russia, not even Germany or Denmark, for about eight years? This is odd. Any reason why?
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Maria Sisi on July 24, 2014, 05:08:30 PM
Pardon  bringing up this old  post, but in trying to place Nicholas and family around the turn of the century recently, I found this. Is it possible Nicholas didn't travel outside of Russia, not even Germany or Denmark, for about eight years? This is odd. Any reason why?

I might be wrong, but I'm guessing the Russo-Japanese War starting in 1904, and then the political situation in Russia between 1905-08 was so bad he couldn't go outside the country until tensions mellowed. He simply needed to be in Russia at all times.  

That's just my guess for those years but I don't really have any clue about the others, besides maybe the growing family between 1897-1900.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Rodney_G. on July 24, 2014, 05:17:47 PM
Yes, Maria Sisi, I was thinking along those lines myself, but that leaves  three to four years unaccounted for, years which were fairly stable  both within Russia, and in likely countries to be visited. Also, though it was somewhat risky, Nicholas and his family traveled frequently within the Empire throughout those years.
In any case , that's a long time for him and Alexandra to be without contact with their German, English, and Danish relatives.(outside of Russia that is, where most of the family reunions were held. )
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Превед on July 24, 2014, 06:11:26 PM
1910   Aug.    Germany (Friedberg)

A serendipitous place for the Emperor of the North to stay - on a former Roman fortress close to the northernmost border (Limes) of the German Empire.
Do we know if they made an excursion to the Roman Limes, Germany's equivalent of Hadrian's Wall, in the Wetterau? It was just in the preceding years that the Roman Limes in the Taunus and Wetterau was being excavated, with the Kastell (castellum) Saalburg in Bad Homburg being reconstructed under the auspices of Emperor Wilhelm II from 1900 and onwards.

Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Helen on July 26, 2014, 01:43:27 AM
They visited Kastell Saalburg on 5/18 September 1910. [Source of information: Nicholas II's diary]
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Превед on July 26, 2014, 03:35:54 AM
They visited Kastell Saalburg on 5/18 September 1910. [Source of information: Nicholas II's diary]

Thanks, very interesting. Makes them appear like modern tourists who go there by busloads!
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Forum Admin on July 26, 2014, 10:03:28 AM
Yes, Maria Sisi, I was thinking along those lines myself, but that leaves  three to four years unaccounted for, years which were fairly stable  both within Russia, and in likely countries to be visited. Also, though it was somewhat risky, Nicholas and his family traveled frequently within the Empire throughout those years.
In any case , that's a long time for him and Alexandra to be without contact with their German, English, and Danish relatives.(outside of Russia that is, where most of the family reunions were held. )

Why would you assume members of their family wouldn't go TO Russia to visit them?  Petersburg was much a cosmopolitan European capital as London, Berlin or Paris.  GD Ernst Ludwig spent a lot of time in those years visiting.  Look, Nicholas was not really prepared to rule and his father's death was sudden and unexpected.  He had a lot to do, to learn, and they were busy remodelling the AP and raising a new family.  I think it makes total sense for them to not travel for a couple of years and certainly the Russo-Japan war and first revolution would have put an end to most of their plans.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Rodney_G. on July 26, 2014, 11:59:21 AM
Overall, there was more travel of the Romanov IF to their relatives outside Russia than the reverse, i.e., visits by the IF's European relatives TO them in Russia. This is a little counter-intuitive , since when the Romanovs traveled , it was with all seven of the family (or six prior to Alexei), and took a greater effort and larger entourage  and security than the visits, say,  of Grand Duke Ernest , or Victoria Melita,   or  Princess Irene , or the lesser Greek or  Danish princes or princesses for example.

Agreed, the Russo-Japanesse War and Revolution through 1906 would have curtailed IF European travel in those years.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Превед on July 26, 2014, 03:17:20 PM
Also interesting to contemplate is that from a linguistic point of view (i.e. being able to speak with the locals), NII, who was fluent in French, English and German apart from Russian, was more at home in Western Europe than in many of the western provinces of his empire. In his 1904 diary I came across a visit to "Турмонт" and assumed this to be a place in Western Europa, but it turned out to be the German name (Turmont)! of a Lithuanian town (Turmantas) on the St. Petersburg - Warsaw line. Leaving aside the fact that he very seldom spoke with anyone outside the elite, the only people he could speak with in that small town were the imperial officials and other members of the elite (Polish landowners?) who had learnt Russian and German-Baltic merchants. The Lithuanian peasants were unintelligble to him. Some of the Jews might have known standard German, I don't know if a German-speaker like NII would have understood Yiddish?
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Janet Ashton on July 27, 2014, 05:23:34 AM

I might be wrong, but I'm guessing the Russo-Japanese War starting in 1904, and then the political situation in Russia between 1905-08 was so bad he couldn't go outside the country until tensions mellowed. He simply needed to be in Russia at all times.  

That's just my guess for those years but I don't really have any clue about the others, besides maybe the growing family between 1897-1900.

They did travel outside Russia between 1897 and 1900, though - to Darmstadt in November 1897, for example; to Denmark and Darmstadt in 1899.
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Lochlanach on January 26, 2016, 04:00:35 AM
Did the family visit the Kaiser at the Schloss in Potsdam or the Neues Palais (in Sansoucci Park) in 1910 ? And where did they stay in Copenhagen in 1901 ? Amalienborg?
Title: Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
Post by: Joanna on August 01, 2017, 07:43:09 PM
Nicholas II & Alexandra at Compiègne Palace

https://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.ca/2017/08/nicholas-iis-state-visit-to-france-in.html

Joanna