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Title: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on May 13, 2007, 08:19:00 PM
Seems like we could use a master thread for photos of the Ipatiev house. There are a few photos scattered here and there, but many have turned into those irritating little red X's. So, here goes...

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_i.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/i.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_c.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/c.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_Beforedemolition.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Beforedemolition.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on May 13, 2007, 08:20:24 PM
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_ipatiev-house_s.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/ipatiev-house_s.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_IpatievGilliardsphoto.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/IpatievGilliardsphoto.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_solution.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/solution.jpg)

Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on May 13, 2007, 08:21:09 PM
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_j.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/j.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_ipatievoutside2.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/ipatievoutside2.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on May 13, 2007, 08:24:38 PM
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_pic4.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/pic4.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_don.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/don.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_o.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/o.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on May 13, 2007, 08:40:18 PM
Rear exterior:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_Rearexterior.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Rearexterior.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_Rearview.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Rearview.jpg)

Courtyard and bath house:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_CourtyardBathhouse.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/CourtyardBathhouse.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on May 13, 2007, 08:42:23 PM
Doors to murder room:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_Doorstomurderroom.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Doorstomurderroom.jpg)


Basement:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_storeroom.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/storeroom.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_ypat_1.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/ypat_1.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_westwall.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/westwall.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_SEcorner.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/SEcorner.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on May 13, 2007, 08:43:35 PM
Closeups of basement wallpaper:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_lysv.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/lysv.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_wallpaper.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/wallpaper.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_Cellarinscription.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Cellarinscription.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on May 13, 2007, 08:51:45 PM
Stairs from front entrance:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_Stairsfromfrontentrance.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Stairsfromfrontentrance.jpg)

Stairs to ground floor:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_Stairstogroundfloor.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Stairstogroundfloor.jpg)

Hall:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_Hall.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Hall.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on May 13, 2007, 09:37:08 PM
Drawing room:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_Drawingroom3.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Drawingroom3.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_Drawingroom2.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Drawingroom2.jpg)

Dining room:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_diningroom8kk.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/diningroom8kk.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_Diningroom.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Diningroom.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on May 13, 2007, 09:38:16 PM
Commandant's study:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_Commandantsstudy.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Commandantsstudy.jpg)

Demidova's room:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_Demidovasroom.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Demidovasroom.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on May 13, 2007, 09:40:18 PM
Grand duchesses' bedroom:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_GrandDuchessesbedroomwithchandelier.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/GrandDuchessesbedroomwithchandelier.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_GrandDuchessesbedroom3.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/GrandDuchessesbedroom3.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_GDssbedroom.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/GDssbedroom.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on May 13, 2007, 09:42:46 PM
Nicholas, Alexandra & Aleksei's bedroom:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_NAAbedroom.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/NAAbedroom.jpg)

Detail of NA&A bedroom wall:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_NAAbedroomwall.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/NAAbedroomwall.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: TheAce1918 on May 13, 2007, 10:21:59 PM
Thank you so much! 

I've been looking for some specific photos for a few years and have only been able to come up with the basic ones that are in books. 

Great research!  ;)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: AGRBear on May 14, 2007, 09:32:07 AM
Thank you.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on May 14, 2007, 05:35:00 PM
You're welcome!

If I find more, I'll post them. I'm actually not sure if I've posted all my exteriors -- those little thumbnails all started blending together pretty quickly! ;)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Amanda_Misha on May 14, 2007, 07:53:10 PM
Thank you for the photos.
Not, but this house seems to me to be lugubrious and sad. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: azrael7171918 on May 15, 2007, 06:37:43 AM
 Does anyone know for sure when the writing on the wall was placed there?

Is it something the family might have seen as the entered the room or was it placed there after the murders?

The one item that really bothered me in the N&A exhibit in Delaware is that piece of wallpaper. It showed diffentate signs of bloodstains.

Azrael
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on May 15, 2007, 07:44:08 AM
Does anyone know for sure when the writing on the wall was placed there?

Is it something the family might have seen as the entered the room or was it placed there after the murders?

As far as I know, it was written after the execution. The family suspected nothing.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: TheAce1918 on May 15, 2007, 02:32:06 PM
I hate to bother,

But what texts did you acquire these photos from?  If not websites.  ???
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on May 15, 2007, 04:31:46 PM
You can find a great deal of them scattered online, particularly on Bernard Timbal's website, www.romanov-memorial.com (http://www.romanov-memorial.com).

Many are also in books such as Tsar (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/books.html?sku=44), FOTR (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/books.html?sku=8), End of the Romanovs (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/books.html?sku=80), and House of Special Purpose (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/books.html?sku=9), to name a few.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: GDLynn on May 15, 2007, 05:12:41 PM
Closeups of basement wallpaper:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_lysv.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/lysv.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_wallpaper.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/wallpaper.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_Cellarinscription.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Cellarinscription.jpg)


what dose it say?
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on May 15, 2007, 06:50:13 PM
The one on the left says "lysv." There's been a lot of debate over what exactly those the initials mean.

I'll have to look up the exact wording of the other one -- it's a reference to a poem or bible verse, I believe.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on May 15, 2007, 07:12:50 PM
Found it!

From a poem in German by Heinrich Heine:
"Belsatzar ward in selbiger Nacht
Von seinen Knechten umgebracht."

It's a reference to a story in the Old Testament book of Daniel.

In translation:
"On the same night Belshazzar
Was killed by his own slaves."

The name "Belsazar" in the original was altered to "Belsatzar" in the Ipatiev house graffiti as a deliberate pun on the word "tzar."
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on May 16, 2007, 05:11:23 PM
The mystic signs 
    
(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u269/Valeria_Anya/Slide_Heine.jpg)
Mysterious signs near window
     Later, near windows, Sokolov, during investigations, also found these words :

'24678 rous. of the year' year 1918' ' 148467878 r's ' 878888 ' and 'polouverchok's

as well as signs on the left

     Numerous attempts were made to decipher these signs without success.

     For example, in 1923, a man called Enel wrote in a book that these mysterious signs were secrets persians characters meaning:
 
 

     "Here, through secret forces, the Czar has been offered in sacrifice so that his country be destroyed. All peoples are informed of this event."

     It is one of the numerous interpretations of these signs.

More recently, people write me another theory about the meaning of this signs :

"If held to a mirror it spells, Lysva. Lysva is a small town near Perm, where Count Beckendorf, Marshall of the Court and the head of Nicholas court function's country estate was located."

 
 
     But reality is maybe more simple as Nicolas Ross explains in his book about the Romanov drama : According to him, after bolshevicks departure, when Ipatiev house hosted white army, someone could have entered cellar room, used the wall to make calculations in roubles (.rou of the previous words) and had tried his pen before writing.
 
Drawing of the execution scene
with mystic signs on wall
(unknown origin)
 

(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u269/Valeria_Anya/Cellar_Cabalistics_Signs.jpg)

Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: GDLynn on May 23, 2007, 11:49:26 AM
Found it!

From a poem in German by Heinrich Heine:
"Belsatzar ward in selbiger Nacht
Von seinen Knechten umgebracht."

It's a reference to a story in the Old Testament book of Daniel.

In translation:
"On the same night Belshazzar
Was killed by his own slaves."

The name "Belsazar" in the original was altered to "Belsatzar" in the Ipatiev house graffiti as a deliberate pun on the word "tzar."

Thanks!
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Yoyo on May 24, 2007, 09:30:13 AM
Thanks for all the Ipatiev house pictures. As I have finally had the courage to finish reading "Fate of the Romanovs", the pictures come in most handy. I finally have a clearer view of what Ekaterinburg and the house looked like. One question I still have though: how large was the house? Does anyone have measurements of its rooms? (I think FOTR only mentions the murder room's).

B.t.w. the city looks to me more like a backwaters town than Russia's third largest city. So how many people lived in Ekaterinburg in 1918?

Yoyo
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on May 24, 2007, 05:49:48 PM
One question I still have though: how large was the house? Does anyone have measurements of its rooms? (I think FOTR only mentions the murder room's).

Go to this page of Bernard Timbal's site:
http://www.romanov-memorial.com/Outside.htm (http://www.romanov-memorial.com/Outside.htm)

Then click on "Photos and maps of Ipatiev House" in the upper right. There are a number of architechtural plans of the house and property done to various scales. There are also a bunch of exterior photos I'd never seen before!
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: TheAce1918 on May 24, 2007, 09:03:31 PM
This may sound completely ridiculous...but if those marks were indeed 'scribbles' by someone testing a pen.  Why would they be in various shapes and spaced out between one another?  Usually, some people would scribble rather firmly, a large circle, or drag a long line across a surface to get ink to flow.   ???
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: AGRBear on May 28, 2007, 01:31:06 PM
A couple of years ago,   we discussed these various marks on the cellar walls.  Here is one of my quotes #228 in the section called "Grabbing at Staws";


...[in part]...
On the wall in the Impatiev House were written various things, one of which was  _syl.

The blank could be a "v" or a "m"???

There is a question as to what it means.

Some think it is scribbled backwards and is a clue.

Up until Penny's thoughts  about what it might mean, which I posted above, others had thought it might be referring to Lysva where the country estate of Count Paul Benckendorff's

Evidently, Lysva is near Perm...


....

If the letter is a "m" then it might be spelling Lysma.... which means Flame, and, that was the name of Lenin's special unit of executioners.

Or, it could just have been someone initals....

Maybe, someone else has a better theory/ speculation.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: AGRBear on May 28, 2007, 01:43:14 PM


Jumping back to the "Flames", a nickname for Lenin's special unit which is explained in the following post:

Penny had posted the following:

>>When Greg and I were researching FOTR, we experienced a most amazing piece of serendipity in connection with the LYSV inscription.

We were, of course, aware of the inscription, but we thought that it went a little beyond the scope of our book and a little too far into speculative, conspiracy-theorist territory -- especially as we could find no evidence AT ALL that any Romanov was in Lysva in the high summer of 1918.

Then one day, Greg had the History Channel on the television, and on came a documentary about the Siege of Sidney Street, a failed burglary attempt in London's East End in 1910.  The crime was carried out by a group of Latvians, all of whom belonged to a revolutionary organization called "Lysma," meaning "The Flame."

Subsequent investigation turned up evidence that showed Lysma was fairly closely tied to the exiled Russian revolutionaries in London -- even attending secret meetings with prominent Bolsheviks -- and, indeed, throughout many European cities.

Long story short, Lysma was still heavily active in 1918, especially in Russia, where the Latvian revolutionaries were busily out-fiercing many of the Bolsheviks.  Lenin himself was surrounded by a Latvian Guard, they being considered more dedicated and reliable in the revolutionary cause than most Russian regiments.

It may also be remembered that Yurovsky brought several Latvians and Baltic Letts  into the house with him, and these men used the murder room as a dormitory until the night of the murder.  It seemed most likely to Greg and I that this inscription was placed there by an off-duty Latvian guard, tagging the room with the name of his own revolutionary organization.  There were several other pieces of graffiti in the room -- and indeed, throughout the house --  not only this one and the Belshazzar one. The initial investigators believed that they were merely the off-duty artwork of bored guards.

I have a pretty decent photograph of the inscription that I will forward to the FA.  Perhaps he could post it so that you peeps could take a look...<<



AGRBear
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: AGRBear on May 28, 2007, 02:01:34 PM
Quote
That specific photo in question comes from the Sokolov investigation report. It was taken by Sergeyev during his initial investigation and shows the room as he found it BEFORE they did anything, according to the text.

Rob-

In my version of Sokolov ("Enquete"), Sokolov writes specifically that Sergeyev failed to photograph the room in the condition in which he found it; the only photographs that exist were taken after the bullets were dug out of the walls, and plaster pulled away, etc.

Greg King

Following this post to another thread where the "cellar"  walls were discussed.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: AGRBear on May 28, 2007, 02:19:30 PM
Yurovsky's 1920s testimony in the book THE FALL OF THE ROMANOVS p. 365 menions "Lysev":

Yurovsky:  "I left with a report for Moscow on the night of th 19th.  It was then that I gave the valuables to Trifonov, member of the Third Army's Revolutionary Council.  I think Beloborodov, Novoselov, and someone else buried them in a basement in the earthen floor of a worker's house in Lysev."


AGRBear
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: AGRBear on May 31, 2007, 10:43:37 AM
Hello All

Thank you Laura for your comments :-)

Yes, warning before putting a link to my pages because it is hosted on Unix server then case is important   :'(

Then, the good URL is

http://www.romanov-memorial.com/Inside.htm (http://www.romanov-memorial.com/Inside.htm)

About the little movie, it run only on IE. Instead trying reading it, I suggest you to download it first and read it with a quicktime player.

Regards
Bernard
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on May 31, 2007, 05:39:58 PM
Does anyone else have any clues as to what the mystic signs means I realy do not know but I am guessing that they mean a message someting that has someting to do with the murder !!!
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Valmont on May 31, 2007, 06:31:41 PM
Yurovsky's 1920s testimony in the book THE FALL OF THE ROMANOVS p. 365 menions "Lysev":

Yurovsky:  "I left with a report for Moscow on the night of th 19th.  It was then that I gave the valuables to Trifonov, member of the Third Army's Revolutionary Council.  I think Beloborodov, Novoselov, and someone else buried them in a basement in the earthen floor of a worker's house in Lysev."


AGRBear

Bear... I hadn't heard from you in a long time.. What do you mean with this post?.. May I infer you are talking about a treasure burried in the Ipatiev house???
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: AGRBear on June 03, 2007, 04:40:06 PM
Yurovsky  statement:  >> It was then that I gave the valuables to Trifonov, member of the Third Army's Revolutionary Council.  I think Beloborodov, Novoselov, and someone else buried them in a basement in the earthen floor of a worker's house in Lysev<<

Not all the "valuables" were taken to Mosocw for some reason.   Yurovsky gave some of the IF "valuables"  to Trifonov  who in turn give them to Beloborodov, Novoselov and another.  These "valuables"  were said to have been buried in  the village of Lysev in the basement of one of the  "worker's house".

The basement in this statement is not  about the basement in the Ipatiev House.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: AGRBear on June 08, 2007, 10:35:13 AM
Trying to find a particular old thread about the Ipatiev House,  I did find this statement of  Greg King's   which I had forgotten and thought I'd repeat here:
We have probably a hundred or so photographs of the Ipatiev House itself, taken from May 1918 onward, including some unusual views, unpublished interiors, and quite a few given to us by a scholar in London from the 1950s, but we had so little in "Fate of the Romanovs" that it was impossible to use more than a handful.  To the best of my knowledge, no photographs were taken during the period of captivity inside the house or showing the prisoners.  There is certainly no mention of this in any of the minutes of the Presidium of the Ural Regional Soviet that we have, nor in the various accounts left by Avdayev, Yurovsky, a number of guards, the guard duty book-which recorded everything that happened, down to reporting "nothing happened"-or the diaries and letters of the prisoners themselves.  Had this been done, I think there would be some mention somewhere.  I don't say it's impossible, but based on the evidence so far available I think it's most unlikely.

Greg King

And, a quote from FA:

Just re-reading my translation of the IF items found in Ekaterinburg after the murders.  Three reels of Kodak film were found burned in the stove of Popov house. So even partially burnt, any images would have been impossible to retrieve using the technology of the day.
At the house of the guard Letemine was found a wide-view camera and 33 glass negative plates. Their whereabouts lost after cataloguing by Sokolov.

It seems highly unlikely that any pictures taken had survived. The paper prints, if any surely did not survive burning.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: AGRBear on June 08, 2007, 08:38:45 PM
One more item to add to the Ipatiev grounds is the  " Cellar",   shown on the  property plan by Gilliard as  "Cave".   

As far as I know,  there are no photographs of  the  Ipatiev "Cellar" .   Here is a drawing of  a "root cellar"  of one of my relatives's  who lived in southern part of Russia so you can get an idea  of  what one looks like.   

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/RootCellarDrawing.jpg)

Not much different then many of our cellars in the early history of GR's  in the midwest in the early 1900s.

Anyway,  since the Ipatiev  House  property had one,  I thought I'd  post  what one looked like.   I assume the Ipatiev House was larger and had a skilled mason which would have make it  grander than my relative  who lived in a small GR village around the early 1900s.

AGRBear

Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: AGRBear on June 09, 2007, 11:59:16 AM
 Phil Tomaselli sent me a copy of a  "plan de la proprlete Ipatlef"  p. 240 from the book  LE TRAGIQUE DESTIN DE NICHOLAS II AT DE SAT FAMILIE by Pierre Gilliard.

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/IpatievCave2.jpg)

Surrounded is red is the french word "Cave", which I understand is "cellar", and, is next to the garden.

I found a similar drawing on the following URL:
http://www.romanov-memorial.com/Historical.htm

The "Cave"  is not the  "cellar room"   where the IF  were executed.   


AGRBear
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Arleen on June 09, 2007, 12:07:16 PM
Bear, this is very interesting to me, thanks for posting this memorial site.  I shall look into it.

Arleen
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: AGRBear on June 09, 2007, 12:54:40 PM
I believe the person who created that site  is a regular poster here on AP.

I think he did a great site, and,  it should be mentioned from time to time so newbies can be aware of  it, too.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: AGRBear on June 09, 2007, 01:03:56 PM
I overlaid  the map found in King and Wilson's  book p.  111  onto  Gilliard's map.  And came up with the following:

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/CellarRmMap2.jpg)

This shows the "cellar room" , which was the murder room,  and  the "Cave" [cellar]  which is by the garden.

Had I been labeling  the murder room,  I would have called it   a "basement  room"  which I think  is a more accurate description in English than a  "cellar  room".

AGRBear
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on June 09, 2007, 07:40:25 PM
I believe the person who created that site  is a regular poster here on AP.

Yes -- it's Bernard Timbal's site.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: nena on June 21, 2007, 11:49:47 AM
Not photo,but maket:
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/nemanja_dj/20060710144813_img_4311.jpg)
EnJOY! ;)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Laura Mabee on June 21, 2007, 12:16:08 PM
Oh my Lord Nena!!
What a wonderfully done model! Thank you for taking the time to share it with us!
I wonder who created it.  :)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: AGRBear on June 21, 2007, 01:01:43 PM
Another thankyou.

Is there a back view of the model???

AGRBear
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Belochka on June 21, 2007, 06:39:02 PM

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/nemanja_dj/20060710144813_img_4311.jpg)


What a beautiful creation!

Thank you very much nena,

Margarita  :D
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Alixz on July 10, 2007, 11:21:17 PM
That model is beautiful!  I have been looking for something that would show the front of the house without the barricade and actually show the main entrance.

Personally, I think that the house was a strange design being built into the side of a hill and leaving only the one floor and the attic above ground.

In the color model it doesn't look so desolate and it might have been beautiful before the Soviets took it over.


Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: nena on July 23, 2007, 12:46:42 PM
I am glad you like Ipatiev photo model....Of course there is back side of model, it is 3d model....but I have not that one.I don't know who created it! I will post some more ipatiev house pictures later!
Title: Re: Ipatiev house maket
Post by: helenrappaport on July 23, 2007, 02:16:48 PM
The maket of the Ipatiev House, and a very good one it is too because I was there last week and saw it, is in a glass display case in the Romanov museum at Ganina Yama.  Unfortunately they don't have postcards of it or let you take photographs so I don't know who took this one - must be an official photograph of it. 

Best Helen
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: nena on July 25, 2007, 06:36:55 AM
Ipatiev pictures by Nena:
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/nemanja_dj/1-1.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/nemanja_dj/sverdlovsk.jpg)
3D model:
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/nemanja_dj/ipatiev1.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/nemanja_dj/dai2-3-4.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/nemanja_dj/Balconysideview.jpg)
Taken by Gilliard, 1918/1919:
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/nemanja_dj/outside.jpg)
A Part of door:
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/nemanja_dj/Image18.gif)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Alixz on July 26, 2007, 08:20:30 AM
What was the purpose of the wing on the extreme right?  It doesn't look like part of the main house, but has a rather large archway (an entrance) but it looks blocked.

In the picture taken by Gilliard - where is the barricade?  Was it taken down that quickly?

And also, in one picture it looks as if there is a nice road or front yard (with a cat or dog lying in it, no less) in front on the house and in another it looks like the front yard is dug up or under construction.  Was there a front yard, or did the house sit right on the road?
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: doddy3988 on August 06, 2007, 01:56:14 AM

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/nemanja_dj/20060710144813_img_4311.jpg)


What a beautiful creation!

Thank you very much nena,

Margarita  :D
OMG it's so weird how they even put the truck at the gates. it really looks like the night of the murders.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Alixz on August 06, 2007, 03:20:32 AM
That is a very beautiful model and picture.  It is so interesting to see the entire building and in color.

However, there is a truck there, but since the Imperial Family were killed on the far left side of the house and in the semi basement, I would think that any truck used to carry them away would be parked much closer to that end of the building.

But I am still wondering what the wing on the right was used for?  It almost looks separate with a "courtyard" behind the gate and connected to the main house in the back?

What an odd way to build such a beautiful house into the side of an embankment!
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: nena on August 06, 2007, 07:22:16 AM
more pictures from nena:
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/nemanja_dj/Romanov%20albumi/th_house.jpg) (http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/nemanja_dj/Romanov%20albumi/house.jpg)
chimney:
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/nemanja_dj/Romanov%20albumi/th_dai2-3-5.jpg) (http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/nemanja_dj/Romanov%20albumi/dai2-3-5.jpg)

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/nemanja_dj/Romanov%20albumi/th_Ipatiev_House_54.jpg) (http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/nemanja_dj/Romanov%20albumi/Ipatiev_House_54.jpg)

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/nemanja_dj/Romanov%20albumi/th_ipatievpart.jpg) (http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/nemanja_dj/Romanov%20albumi/ipatievpart.jpg)
Hope you love them!  ;D
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: covenant on August 12, 2007, 09:01:14 AM
Here's a render from my quite old version of the Ipatiev House. I've developed a much better detailed and textured model since, but i'll be showing that on Romanov Dynasty when it's finished.

(http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs16/f/2007/223/5/1/Ipatiev_House_by_mastercovenant.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: nena on August 12, 2007, 09:38:44 AM
Good job, GRAET 3d MODEL,  covenant  8)
here are some more from me:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/th_WOOW.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/WOOW.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/th_WOOOW.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/WOOOW.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/th_drawingWoW.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/drawingWoW.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: nena on August 13, 2007, 05:13:18 PM
Hey! No more pics. of that legendar Ipatiev house?
here are some mine pics.:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/th_Ipatijevglavnaosovina.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/Ipatijevglavnaosovina.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/th_23steps.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/23steps.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/th_Ipatijevzadnjafasada.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/Ipatijevzadnjafasada.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/th_OTMAIPATIEV.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/OTMAIPATIEV.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/th_Ipatijevsoba.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/Ipatijevsoba.jpg)
hope you love them!  :)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: dmitri on August 13, 2007, 05:15:48 PM
love is not a word I would ever associate with the Ipatiev House
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: nena on August 13, 2007, 05:24:48 PM
love is not a word I would ever associate with the Ipatiev House

Of course!  ::) I think so, but I often say 'hope you love....', but pictures I posted!
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: mr_harrison75 on August 13, 2007, 07:03:16 PM
Well, we can perhaps associate the word love with the Imperial Family...

Nena, do you know when your pictures have been taken?
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: nena on August 13, 2007, 07:27:11 PM
I really don't know, maybe in 1920s?, or in 1918/19? ? ?  ;)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: JStorey on August 16, 2007, 05:07:16 PM
(http://www.jeffreystorey.com/IpatievGuardPosts.jpg)

(I've never inserted an image before; so hopefully that worked...  If not, here is the link:  http://www.jeffreystorey.com/IpatievGuardPosts.jpg)

I made a map of the Ipatiev House for the purposes of:

1.  Clarification of Inner and Outer Fence (helps to date photos).

2.  Clarification of the Gates (important for those interested in where the waiting "lorry" was parked).

3.  Location of the guard posts (according to testimony of Iakimoff)

1.  FENCES

There were TWO wooden palisades/housings/crude fences built:  the FIRST was built very close to the house and extended from the front entrance of the lower floor on Vosnessensky Lane, around the house, and concluded in between the first and second window adjacent to the front door of the upper floor.  (The position of the fence in the beautiful model is therefore incorrect; alot of the otherwise brilliant 3d models, etc. seem to either eliminate these fences or misplace them).  

The SECOND fence (built sometime before May 30, it seems) was taller, further out (wide enough for trucks) and extended across the entire span of Vosnessensky Prospect, forming a sort of internal driveway and entrance to the Ipatiev House gate.

So when you look at photos, they become much easier to date simply by whether the first fence only is visible (allowing one to see the front entrance of the house and entry gate) or whether the house is entirely surrounded by the taller fence.  For the "entirely surrounded" photos, at the moment of the photo the IF is surely within, as it was destroyed by the White Army once they arrived.
 
2.  GATES

This is really important.  There were actually three gates:  one at the entry to the internal courtyard of the house itself, and two providing entry at each end of the massive external gate:

"The second fence had two gates - one facing the Vosnesensky Lane, the second right opposite them, in the opposite side of the fence, close to the gate of the house...  ...The [second gate] was built when we were there, as it was found that automobiles had much difficulty leaving through the first entrance on account of a steep hill.  That was the reason why the gates facing the Vosnesensky Lane were constructed.  The motor cars entered through both gates, but they left only through the gate facing the Vosnesensky Lane." (p.168)

So later, when Wilton describes the night of the murders:  "They were not suspicious...  The Tsar and the Tsarevich kept their caps on, as if expecting any moment to go out.  They thought the vehicles that were to convey them away had not arrived, the lorry being there to take the luggage." (p. 309)

Based upon my understanding of the difficulties required for a truck to enter from the hill, and the confines for maneuverability within the gate, I don't believe it would have been possible for the lorry to have backed into the internal courtyard, ostensibly waiting for luggage.  It would have rather waited in the internal lane located between the outside palisade and the outer walls of the house, and therefore none of the IF would have seen it.  Also, it means the bodies would have been carried out of the courtyard and courtyard gate and into the makeshift driveway in front of the house.

More in next post...
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: JStorey on August 16, 2007, 05:08:11 PM
Previous post, cont...

3.  LOCATION OF THE GUARD POSTS

The red numbers on the map indicate where the guard posts were, according to the testimony of Iakimoff (p. 167):

Post 1:  situated in the first room of the upper floor adjoining the lobby
Post 2:  in the corridor that led to the bathroom and lavoratory

NOTE: once Yurovsky arrived, posts 1 & 2 - most direct to the IF - were replaced by the foreign "Letts" (as was post 12)

Post 3:  in the court yard facing the street by the fence gate.  The gate was always closed and had a little window to enable the sentry to see who came to the house
Post 4:  was situated outside of the outer fence by the wicket of the gates which were constructed at first (internal fence)
Post 5:  situated by the sentry box, near to those gates, in a way the sentry might observe the whole Vosnesensky Prospect.
Post 6:  situated at the other sentry box, which was outside of the fence at the intersection of Vosnesensky Lane and Vosnesensky Prospect, just by the chapel (that little ornamental edifice in front of the house)

NOTE: you can see men stationed at posts 4,5 & 6 in a few of the external photos of the house

Post 7: situated by the old sentry box in the outer yard, between the walls of the house and the first fence

NOTE: the old sentry box is visible in some of the earlier "pre second fence" photos.  It was this post where the murder was allegedly witnessed in the outside the window of the cellar room.  Certainly possibly, as considering this post was within both fences, it must have been rather dull indeed to while away the hours staring at a palisade.

Post 8:  In the garden.  The sentry had to walk around the whole garden.  

NOTE:  The sentry must have known something was afoot if he stopped walking about and went to the window to observe the murder.  The location and responsibilities of Post 7 & 8 call into question the eye-witness accounts of the two men who allegedly witnessed the murders from the external windows of the house.  OR it implicates them with apriori knowledge of what was about to transpire, for, without any knowledge beforehand and having a wide area to guard, why would they be idling about a window at that paricular moment?  My goodness I've become a regular Sherlock Holmes!

Post 9:  On the terrace, where a machine gun was mounted
Post 10:  [Added later by Yurovsky] post in the rear yard
Post 11:  situated in a room of the lower floor (which room I'm not sure; I've guessed at placement)
Post 12:  machine gun post in the attic

I assume this last one by attic must mean within one of the two facades or pediments that distinguished the front of the house.

In any case, I hope this tedious information is useful to someone; it certainly helps when one is imagining various escape scenarios, plots, and the like.  I wonder, if you had a few brave souls willing to save the IF, how might you try to get in?

  
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: JStorey on August 16, 2007, 05:21:05 PM
One last bit and I'm certainly done posting to this fine website for the day...

Of the two upstairs windows marked "open window", one is based on factual evidence, the other on pure speculation on my part.  Of all these whitewashed windows, and in the heat of the summer, it must have been unbearable to be stuck on the second floor of a house without ventilation.  Therefore the Tsar was allowed to open a window in their (Alexandra, Alexei, Nicholas) bedroom.  What about the Grand Duchasses, I wonder?  Or Anna Demidova?  Were they forced to suffer through the hot nights without any fresh air?

Which brings me to the window I speculate was open.  This was the window to the room of the commandant.  Now, if Yurovsky or Adveiev before him was forced to endure similar conditions, wouldn't one of they open the window for ventilation?  Consider that this room slept several "dirty" men, occasionally served as rendezvous for Nikoulin's tryst, etc.  Add to that, there was a massive deer mounted on the wall!  It must have been unbearable!  I therefore believe in entirely plausable to presume one of these windows was open as well; surely the IF were not allowed entry and therefore security concerns were overriden by the very comforts denied their captors.

All right then, that's enought for the moment...  If I keep this up I'll be a Boyar in no time!
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: JStorey on August 16, 2007, 05:43:35 PM
To clarify the fence - I'm pasting a few photos from the great site http://www.romanov-memorial.com/ (http://www.romanov-memorial.com/):

FIRST FENCE:

(http://www.romanov-memorial.com/Out/Ipatiev_House_43.jpg)

You can clearly see where the first fence ends between the two windows of the commandant's room.

Later constructed SECOND FENCE:

(http://www.romanov-memorial.com/Out/Ipatiev_House_16.jpg)
(http://www.romanov-memorial.com/Out/Ipatiev_House_32.jpg)

It goes on all the way beyond the two story lodge at the far end of the property.  This is what awaited the Romanovs; much more foreboding and you can see that even without whitewashed windows it would have been difficult to see much of anything.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: mr_harrison75 on August 17, 2007, 01:17:35 PM
Well, even if their guards were of a doubtful quality, the Romanovs had almost no chances of escaping the house. It would've taken some kind of commando to get them out!

Most of the guards would've fled, but one danger would've remain; the Letts, with Yurofsky. As soon as the attack would've begun, the Letts would've tried to kill the Imperial Family...
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: dmitri on August 17, 2007, 08:46:25 PM
Yes it would have been quite impossible for any of the imperial family to escape alive. The only way they could leave together was either in the custody of Yurovsky, alive or as happened, dead.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: JStorey on August 18, 2007, 06:04:34 PM
I agree with you entirely...  Nevertheless interesting to understand the positioning of the guards, lorry, etc., in relation to the night of the murder because it calls into question some of the testimony...
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: NAOTMAA Fan on August 19, 2007, 12:45:57 AM

However, there is a truck there, but since the Imperial Family were killed on the far left side of the house and in the semi basement, I would think that any truck used to carry them away would be parked much closer to that end of the building.


I hope I'm not sounding pompous, but the you're quite correct Alixz that The IF and retainers were shot on the left side of the building, but the bodies were carried back over to the right side of the house the way the family had minutes before entered by. The truck waited in the courtyard behind the gates. There was no way to exit with a vehicle from the fenced off premises anywhere except those gates, so it was necessary to have to carry all the bodies back over. The reason they couldn't load them from the door closest the murder room was because there were a number of fenced sections inside the palisade and they probably would have been found to be to big a bother with the IF loaded in the Fiat.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: covenant on August 20, 2007, 08:05:13 PM
What colour should my Ipatiev House facade texture be as to be accurate with the house as it was in 1918? It seems it's that pale orange colour?
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Belochka on August 20, 2007, 08:30:02 PM
Perhaps a cream colored facade?

Margarita
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: NAOTMAA Fan on August 20, 2007, 10:41:27 PM
Yes I quite agree!!
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Annie on August 23, 2007, 12:00:30 PM
I really do hate to drag the "AA" mess up again here but I am looking for some info. Of course there is no truth to the story of the tailor who claimed his landlady had AN alive in his bed the night of the executions, but I am looking for proof that no one lived anywhere near where they could have watched the family over the pallisades, and even if there had been some house able to do that I'm sure the guards would have put a stop to it. They even painted up the windows so the IF couldn't see out, so you don't think they'd be so stupid as to allow 'nosey neighbors' to stare over at them, much less drag one of the girls over there and put her in the bed. If that had happened the house would surely have been searched and the occupants shot. So while I don't believe the story at all I am looking for proof that there was no such house in the vicinity. There doesn't appear to be from the photos posted here, besides the other intangibles such as the guards not allowing gawking neighbors even if there was. Thanks for any help.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: AGRBear on August 27, 2007, 09:49:16 AM
I really do hate to drag the "AA" mess up again here but I am looking for some info. Of course there is no truth to the story of the tailor who claimed his landlady had AN alive in his bed the night of the executions, but I am looking for proof that no one lived anywhere near where they could have watched the family over the pallisades, and even if there had been some house able to do that I'm sure the guards would have put a stop to it. They even painted up the windows so the IF couldn't see out, so you don't think they'd be so stupid as to allow 'nosey neighbors' to stare over at them, much less drag one of the girls over there and put her in the bed. If that had happened the house would surely have been searched and the occupants shot. So while I don't believe the story at all I am looking for proof that there was no such house in the vicinity. There doesn't appear to be from the photos posted here, besides the other intangibles such as the guards not allowing gawking neighbors even if there was. Thanks for any help.

So Bookworm said he saw them outside. Jaa said he saw them from the upstairs window. It doesn't seem to add up or make sense. Was there an upstairs porch? Even so there's no need to discuss this if it didn't really happen.


No.
and
No.

You have gotten things all twisted.

Heinrich K. said he went inside the fences.
Heinrich K. did not say he saw anything.
Heinrich K. said he heard gun shots and a scream.
The frighten Heinrich K.  left before seeing or hearing anything else.

AGRBear



Follow this quote and it will take you to the thread about Heinrich K. the tailor,  who mended
the uniforms of the guards who were part of the Ipatiev House in the summer of
1918.   He did not claim to have seen anything over a fense. 
----

If there is a photo of the surrounding buildings such as Baoudins Tailor shop,  I do think they'd be interesting
to view.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: AGRBear on August 27, 2007, 10:02:37 AM
Again,  I'd like to thank JStorey for doing all this work.   Find it very interesting and very well thought out.

AGRBear
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: JStorey on August 27, 2007, 12:20:00 PM
Thank you AGRBear!  - Jeff
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: rosieposie on September 04, 2007, 11:00:58 PM
Thank you for the photos.  I agree that the house would of been a beautiful home before the revoultion. 
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: dmitri on September 11, 2007, 01:20:46 AM
I wonder whether the Romanovs brought much music with them? Unless they had been talented at memory work or had good ears to play the piano, they must have been deprived of much of their previous enjoyment.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: JStorey on September 11, 2007, 12:59:39 PM
I wonder whether the Romanovs brought much music with them? Unless they had been talented at memory work or had good ears to play the piano, they must have been deprived of much of their previous enjoyment.

Ah, Dmitri, you sly fellow.  I believe you may have come up with a plausible answer to a nagging question of mine:  why didn't the Imperial Family object to the removal of the piano from the drawing room into the Commandant's room?  A number of theories abound (ranging from "they were helpless to object", to "the quality of this particular piano was beneath them"), but perhaps it was simply because they lacked the sheet music to play anything.  If you don't mind I'm going to copy this and paste in the "Piano in the Ipatiev House" thread.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: covenant on November 09, 2007, 09:48:01 AM
Here's another old render of the exterior of the house, as with the other some of the geometry .etc is in-correct. Does anyone have any photographs of the piano, or know what model it was? I'm trying to get as much of the interior for the 3d model as authentic as possible.
(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2717/ipatiev1wo4.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: dmitri on November 10, 2007, 10:45:08 AM
Just thought it is probably necessary to put in the high fence that was built around the house for your work to be relevant to the time when the Romanovs were imprisoned in the Ipatiev House. 
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: covenant on November 10, 2007, 11:07:58 AM
Yeah, I built another version of the Ipatiev House which will be on my website, that particular Ipatiev House model has a few versions of the fences according to differant periods of the Romanov's imprisonment. Thanks for the heads up about that anyway dmitri!
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: nena on March 16, 2009, 07:50:00 PM
I have always wondered why photos of other rooms of IH wasn't taken - or they were, but they aren't published.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/th_4.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/?action=view&current=4.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/th_4318345e.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/?action=view&current=4318345e.jpg)

A tree from Ipatiev House garden:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/th_pic.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/?action=view&current=pic.jpg)

A Paiting:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/th_dom-ipateva-1992.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/?action=view&current=dom-ipateva-1992.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on March 16, 2009, 07:54:18 PM
I wonder whether the Romanovs brought much music with them? Unless they had been talented at memory work or had good ears to play the piano, they must have been deprived of much of their previous enjoyment.

Olga was able to play well by ear. If I recall correctly, Anna Vyrubova mentions this in her memoirs.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Ally Kumari on March 17, 2009, 01:45:27 AM
And not only her. Also Sophie Buxhoeveden noted that down. And one of the guards mentioned, that whenever Olga played the piano in Ipatiev house, she would choose something melancholic and sad... - whic doesn´t go very well with another statement, that the girls were made to play the revolutionary songs.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: nena on March 17, 2009, 05:20:04 AM
That's I have heard/read too. Also, one girl sang beautiful, according to father Storozhev. Also, piano was indeed there. And sad melodies could be heard.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on March 17, 2009, 06:57:50 AM
And one of the guards mentioned, that whenever Olga played the piano in Ipatiev house, she would choose something melancholic and sad... - whic doesn´t go very well with another statement, that the girls were made to play the revolutionary songs.

A further problem with that guard's testimony -- the piano was moved into the duty office before Olga even arrived in the Ipatiev house...
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Ally Kumari on March 17, 2009, 07:10:16 AM
I know. It is confusing. One doesn´t really know what to think.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: nena on March 17, 2009, 03:59:17 PM
Only if Olga went sometimes to that duty office.  Anyway, Nikulin frequently came with one woman and 'played' piano there.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: JStorey on March 17, 2009, 10:32:06 PM
It does us good to examine who said what, when, why, and how it has become distorted in retelling to decipher this riddle.  I don't think Nikulin played this piano.  I'm quite certain neither Olga nor any of the other GD's did either.  I highly doubt they were allowed into the Commandant's room to play. 

I assume it was moved by Avdayev and co. so they could get drunk and play revolutionary songs at night.

There is a whole thread about this, filled with rambling posts by yours truly:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=9998
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on March 18, 2009, 09:31:44 AM
Doors to murder room:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_Doorstomurderroom.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Doorstomurderroom.jpg)



Fortunately, this door will never opened again...according to you has been correct demolish the house?...

Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Ally Kumari on March 18, 2009, 02:00:55 PM
No. I think it should have stayed there like a memento. I´m glad the Churhc was raised on that place and it is still held in memory what happened there.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Grand Duchess Jennifer on March 18, 2009, 02:10:19 PM
I agree with Ally. I'm glad it wasn't thought of as not important. What if somebody had decided to build a fastfood place there?
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on March 18, 2009, 03:37:50 PM
No. I think it should have stayed there like a memento. I´m glad the Churhc was raised on that place and it is still held in memory what happened there.
I agree with Ally. I'm glad it wasn't thought of as not important. What if somebody had decided to build a fastfood place there?

Yes, I'm agree!
I am glad that "the door will never reopened", but I know that was not completely right to demolish the house.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: nena on March 18, 2009, 04:02:35 PM
Thank you for link, JStorey! I just read Nikulin sometimes indeed played piano.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/th_kuca.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/?action=view&current=kuca.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: JStorey on March 18, 2009, 10:14:26 PM
The entire quote of the "Nikulin played piano" testimony should reveal the true player.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Ally Kumari on March 19, 2009, 05:02:33 AM
Ipatiev house dining room before the demolition

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/th_rel_chem_01.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/rel_chem_01.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: nena on March 19, 2009, 09:19:20 AM
I cxan't find that quote,

Was that one taken by C. S. Gibbes, Ally, or by P. Gilliard?

Ipatiev wth a look of Officer's House:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/th_dai2-3-4.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/?action=view&current=dai2-3-4.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Ally Kumari on March 20, 2009, 04:10:26 AM
No, by people who demolished the house in seventies
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: nena on March 20, 2009, 05:35:50 AM
Oops, you are right, I didn't notice all words, sorry.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: tom_romanov on April 08, 2009, 10:03:37 AM
i would have liked to visit the Ipatiev house and it was a shame it was demolished but if it wasn't demolished then-

- it could have turned into tourist attraction and this could have been taken advantage of (profit), surley this would have ruined the importance and "feeling" of the house?
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Olga Maria on April 08, 2009, 11:24:20 PM
I'm sure the Church on Blood is now in use for Lent services. I hope all people would remember what happened on that site .
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: tom_romanov on April 13, 2009, 07:44:27 AM
I'm just having a little trouble working out the layout of Nicholas and Alexandra's and Alexi's room at the Ipatiev house.

"http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f295/tom_romanov/inside2_005.jpg"- here's a picture

The wall in which there is a wardrobe etc, in FOTR it says this is the northern wall - so is this the wall they shared with OTMA's bedroom?

In FOTR is also describes two bedsteads, pushed into a corner this is also on the northern wall . would there have been a double bed for Nicholas and Alexandra and a camp bed for Alexi? Its just there doesn't seem to be a lot of space in that room :
- two beds
- a sofa or armchair (different sources vary)
- a fewl chairs
-a wardrobe
- a vanity unit
- an etagere
- a bookcase
- a dressing table
- a writing table

thanks,
tom
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on April 13, 2009, 08:00:31 AM
I'm just having a little trouble working out the layout of Nicholas and Alexandra's and Alexi's room at the Ipatiev house.

"http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f295/tom_romanov/inside2_005.jpg"- here's a picture

The wall in which there is a wardrobe etc, in FOTR it says this is the northern wall - so is this the wall they shared with OTMA's bedroom?

No, the wall their bedroom shared with OTMA's would have been the western wall. (The photographer was probably standing in the doorway to OTMA's bedroom to take this photo.) The northern wall of N&A's bedroom had no door or windows, and was shared by the drawing room/study. The wall most visible in this photo is the eastern wall, which faced Vosnesensky Prospekt. The southern wall (not visible) also had two windows and faced Vosnesensky Lane.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: tom_romanov on April 13, 2009, 08:44:58 AM
thank you very much Sarushka!
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on April 13, 2009, 09:22:40 AM
You're welcome. It took me most of an evening to get a firm understanding of the layout of the Ipatiev house and yard, so it's nice to be able to put the info to use/show off a little.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: nena on April 13, 2009, 10:52:46 AM
These were taken in 1918/9, IMO.

Fuller one, 1918:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/6810.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: tom_romanov on April 13, 2009, 02:56:39 PM
I'd guess they were also taken in 1918 as the pallisade (fence) is still up.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: nena on April 13, 2009, 04:38:01 PM
Definitely, to be precise, seen labeled as 'May 1918', at time of NAM arrival at Ekaterinburg.

EDIT: I have seen Ipatiev 1918 House photo, without fence, or was it taken just near fence, since I don't see it (only see few guards near house, no fence). I know it was double palisade around house.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on April 13, 2009, 05:28:59 PM
Because the Vosnesensky Proskept entrance isn't visible, the photo nena posted was probably taken during the summer of 1918, after the arrival of OTAA and the addition of the second palisade.

This is what the house looked like at the time of NAM's arrival in May, with the covered porch still visible at the north (right) end:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_IpatievGilliardsphoto.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/?action=view&current=IpatievGilliardsphoto.jpg)

From the opposite angle:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_Firstfence.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/?action=view&current=Firstfence.jpg)


The second palisade enclosed the entire property, like so:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_FenceSE.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/?action=view&current=FenceSE.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: nena on April 13, 2009, 05:45:19 PM
Two more, 1918 and 1919, by Sokolov,on first one we see few guards:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/th_dom_ipat.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/?action=view&current=dom_ipat.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on April 13, 2009, 07:28:25 PM
Nice -- hadn't seen those before.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: nena on April 13, 2009, 07:38:28 PM
Heh, it seems I am still 'good/useful' for finding R-ovs  photos , Am I?  ;-). I don't love to glorify me, but it is hours and hours hanging on web.
Way to cellar room, colored:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/th_0_4683_e4cf3711_L.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/?action=view&current=0_4683_e4cf3711_L.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: tom_romanov on April 14, 2009, 05:09:41 AM
It's nice to be able to see the windows in colour and in detail. See, I always thought they were just plain old sash widows but in reality they look different.It seems they are those windows where you push the pane open.

Also sorry to drag this up again but any ideas what this is in the bottom right corner - "http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f295/tom_romanov/inside2_005.jpg"- looks like a table?
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on April 14, 2009, 08:11:18 AM
It's nice to be able to see the windows in colour and in detail. See, I always thought they were just plain old sash widows but in reality they look different.It seems they are those windows where you push the pane open.

Yes, that's right. One of the windows facing Vosnesensky Lane in N&A's bedroom also had a tiny "fortochka" pane near the top of the window that could be opened for ventilation in the winter. (It's also called a "Russian window.") This small single pane was allowed to be open even while the other windows were painted and sealed shut. However, because of its position and the fence outside, only a very strong direct breeze could enter the room -- according to Nicholas's diary this happened once during a storm on the night before Tatiana's birthday. I have a photo I can mark to highlight the location of the fortochka.


Quote
Also sorry to drag this up again but any ideas what this is in the bottom right corner - "http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f295/tom_romanov/inside2_005.jpg"- looks like a table?

It's a table and the back part of a chair. Here's a larger version of that photo:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_NAAbedroom.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/?action=view&current=NAAbedroom.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on April 14, 2009, 08:19:42 AM
Here's the fortochka pane, circled in green:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_Fortochka1.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/?action=view&current=Fortochka1.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: tom_romanov on April 14, 2009, 08:57:04 AM
Again thank you so much Sarushka, your knowledge is indispensable! your're so organised!
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on April 14, 2009, 09:01:13 AM
Thanks. It took me whole days to organize my Romanov scans, but I've never been sorry for a minute since.

More about fortochki here (http://www.niras.com/News/Focus/Indoor_climate/Fortochka.aspx).
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: nena on April 14, 2009, 02:09:20 PM
Well, I know fences were painted in white, but wonder when 'lay off' color? And, how that not every room wasn't photographed?

Here's the fortochka pane, circled in green:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_Fortochka1.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/?action=view&current=Fortochka1.jpg)
I think this one was taken much later after 1918.


Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: tom_romanov on April 14, 2009, 02:24:29 PM
And, how that not every room wasn't photographed?

I guess they only photographed the rooms that where significant e.g the rooms used by the IF, the cellar etc.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: nena on April 14, 2009, 02:27:30 PM
But, after 1918, I think someone must took photos of other rooms, because House was museum once.  ;-)

Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: tom_romanov on April 14, 2009, 02:36:32 PM
Oh yes when it was the museum of the people's vengence  ::)  I think I read somewhere what was in some of the rooms but no I've never seen a photo but I would like to see one
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: nena on April 22, 2009, 09:34:54 AM
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/U1194813.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: DonaAntonia on April 22, 2009, 08:19:32 PM
Hi all,
This is a beautiful detail of the outside of the Ipatiev house. I think the photo was taken in the 1920's but this little kiosk was already there when the IF lived in the house. Any idea of what it was built for or what became of it?
Thanks.

(http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww117/FernandoMario/CasaYpatievFrente.jpg)


Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on April 23, 2009, 07:06:50 AM
It's a roadside shrine to St. Nicholas the Wonderworker. There's a very short thread about it here (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=2054.0).
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: JStorey on April 24, 2009, 12:52:40 PM
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/U1194813.jpg)

Nena - I hadn't seen this photo before, thank you. 

I wanted to comment on it because it shows so clearly the difference in height between the wide prospect and the narrow lane in front of the Ipatiev House.  For all the maps and 3D models I've seen of the house, none take this into account.  Written descriptions as well.  Most models get the location of the palisades wrong, or they don't include them at all, resulting in a totally inaccurate representation. 

I'm reading and very much enjoying Rappoport's Ekat. - Last Days of the Romanovs at the moment; even she makes mistakes in depicting how vehicles entered, which gate was which, what was meant by "courtyard" and so forth. 

I would love someday to see an accurate and comprehensive model, scaled appropriately, with distances calculated, etc. 

For those of us interested in this house, the devil is in the details.  None of this is trivial when recreating the crime scene and interpreting the testimony.  I'm afraid to admit I've written about it extensively... 

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=10047.0 (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=10047.0) 
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: nena on April 24, 2009, 01:09:41 PM
Does this one helps to your great work, JStorey?

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/th_ih1919.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/?action=view&current=ih1919.jpg)

(Ipatiev House, 1919, from corner of Voznesensky prospekt and Voznesenky alley)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: JStorey on April 24, 2009, 02:03:26 PM
Ooohh that's a good one.  Hadn't seen that either, thanks.

By the way, I should qualify my remark: though I haven't yet finished reading Helen Rappaport's book, it is excellent thus far - very well written and a fresh view.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: tom_romanov on April 24, 2009, 03:36:10 PM
For those of us interested in this house, the devil is in the details.  None of this is trivial when recreating the crime scene and interpreting the testimony.  I'm afraid to admit I've written about it extensively... 

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=10047.0 (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=10047.0) 

I've just read your topic JStorey, and I must say it was very intersting. It brought to my mind many things that I hadn't thought about e.g. Rudolf Lacher and the difficulty of the truck etc. Thank-you for posting the link.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: DonaAntonia on April 24, 2009, 03:43:17 PM
It's a roadside shrine to St. Nicholas the Wonderworker. There's a very short thread about it here (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=2054.0).

Thanks Sarushka! So it must have had an icon of St. Nicholas and a place for candles. I suppose the photo is not older than 1918, then, since the religious symbols were obviously torn down by the Bolsheviks.
We also have roadside shrines in traditionally Catholic countries. Up north, here in Portugal, there are even the «steps of the cross»: small shrines with the phases of Jesus' Passion.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Terence on April 24, 2009, 11:13:42 PM
For those of us interested in this house, the devil is in the details.  None of this is trivial when recreating the crime scene and interpreting the testimony.  I'm afraid to admit I've written about it extensively... 

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=10047.0 (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=10047.0) 

I've just read your topic JStorey, and I must say it was very intersting. It brought to my mind many things that I hadn't thought about e.g. Rudolf Lacher and the difficulty of the truck etc. Thank-you for posting the link.

Question for JStorey, as I just reread the thread, very interesting.  Are there any descendants of Lacher who might be able to shed more light on the issue, in any way?  As you said any trivial detail may contain some importance.

T
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: JStorey on April 25, 2009, 10:45:39 AM
Thanks very much for reading terence and tom_romanov.  As far as relatives, I don't know the answer to your question, nor of course do I know whether Lacher was or wasn't one of the shooters.

From my point of view, that's ultimately not important; what's important is that from the evidence provided, you can't prove or even infer that he was (FOTR says he "almost certainly" was), particularly based on an errant model of the Ipatiev House exterior.  His alibi holds up just fine to an accurate model of the house.


Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Ally Kumari on September 20, 2009, 10:27:18 AM
I don´t think I´ve seen this one...

(http://nd02.blog.cz/797/082/2277a31afa_54060258_o2.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Mary Breheny on October 24, 2009, 01:46:57 PM
Does this one helps to your great work, JStorey?

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/th_ih1919.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/?action=view&current=ih1919.jpg)

(Ipatiev House, 1919, from corner of Voznesensky prospekt and Voznesenky alley)

Is the house on the left the Popov house?
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on October 24, 2009, 03:59:28 PM
I'm not sure if I'm right, but I've always thought the Popov house was east of the Ipatiev house, across Vosnesensky Prospekt. (The house in this photo is to the south, on the other side of Vosnesensky Lane.)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: I am_Tatianochka on November 11, 2009, 04:03:46 PM
(http://img1.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/4839/4839101-holder-b199bd73e325a6bcacbd6083105f0a25.jpg) (http://www.uploadhouse.com/viewfile.php?id=4839101&showlnk=0)

(http://img2.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/4839/4839100-holder-97d790806646f59faf79440d2dbd23e8.jpg) (http://www.uploadhouse.com/viewfile.php?id=4839100&showlnk=0)

Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: blessOTMA on March 01, 2011, 12:20:56 PM
In the period photo of N & A's  Ipatiev bedroom, There are two windows. In this photo, do we see the window which they were allowed to open? ...or would that  be to our  right and out of the photo?  Thanks in advance! 
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on March 01, 2011, 04:38:23 PM
In the period photo of N & A's  Ipatiev bedroom, There are two windows. In this photo, do we see the window which they were allowed to open? ...or would that  be to our  right and out of the photo?  Thanks in advance! 

Tatianochka's exterior photo shows the west (rear) facade of the Ipatiev house. N&A's bedroom was on the southeast (front) corner.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: blessOTMA on March 01, 2011, 07:18:14 PM
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_NAAbedroom.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/?action=view&current=NAAbedroom.jpg)
Thank you! I should have posted this when I asked....It's from earlier in the thread  Can we see the window they were allowed to open the top of in this photo or would it be to our right and not in the picture?The street name and directions ( like, west) are harder for me to understand....visual aid is my middle name! I so thank you!
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on March 01, 2011, 08:09:25 PM
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_NAAbedroom.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/?action=view&current=NAAbedroom.jpg)
Thank you! I should have posted this when I asked....It's from earlier in the thread  Can we see the window they were allowed to open the top of in this photo or would it be to our right and not in the picture?

Not sure -- only because I can't remember which window they were permitted to open. These two face east, opening onto Vosnesensky Prospekt.


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The street name and directions ( like, west) are harder for me to understand....visual aid is my middle name! I so thank you!

It took me most of an evening and my dad's help for me to discern and memorize the orientation of the Ipatiev house.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: blessOTMA on March 01, 2011, 10:20:16 PM
Not sure -- only because I can't remember which window they were permitted to open. These two face east, opening onto Vosnesensky Prospekt.
Thank you that does help. I at least know what windows are in the picture and what street they face. That's alot.
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The street name and directions ( like, west) are harder for me to understand....visual aid is my middle name! I so thank you! It took me most of an evening and my dad's help for me to discern and memorize the orientation of the Ipatiev house.
It's pretty complex and built into a hill....when OTAA  arrived from Tobolsk....did they enter  the house via a side doorway in the courtyard after leaving the carriage since the main entrance was behind the fence? Thanks for your help as always
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on March 02, 2011, 08:11:48 AM
when OTAA  arrived from Tobolsk....did they enter  the house via a side doorway in the courtyard after leaving the carriage since the main entrance was behind the fence? Thanks for your help as always

Not sure. The second fence was not put up until the beginning of June (new style), so the main entrance was still accessible when OTAA arrived. Here's a photo showing the first fence and main entrance:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Firstfence.jpg)

(The fence intersects the house between the duty office's two windows.)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: blessOTMA on March 02, 2011, 11:10:33 AM
This helps me enormously, thank you. So the whole family were there for the installing of 2nd fence? ....god
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on March 02, 2011, 04:19:54 PM
So the whole family were there for the installing of 2nd fence? ....god

Yes. But before the second palisade went up, the height of the first fence was extended.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on March 02, 2011, 04:24:52 PM
You may also find this diagram helpful:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/th_IpatievGuardPosts.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/?action=view&current=IpatievGuardPosts.jpg)

I think there are a couple minor mistakes regarding locations of sentry posts, but I don't recall them offhand. You can cross-reference with FOTR to make sure.


If it hasn't been done before, I can post my photos of the outer facades, labeled according to which direction they face.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: blessOTMA on March 02, 2011, 06:36:33 PM
 
If it hasn't been done before, I can post my photos of the outer facades, labeled according to which direction they face.
Wow, if you you have the time that would be great. Thanks for the map!
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on March 03, 2011, 08:46:37 AM
I'll start by reposting this little model so you can see the entire front of the house:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/model.jpg)

From left to right (south to north) it shows the sentry post under N&A's bedroom window, the house itself, the courtyard gate, and the carriage house.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on March 03, 2011, 08:59:36 AM
Now for the real thing. I'll start with the east facade and proceed counterclockwise to the north, west, and south.


This is the front/east/Vosnesensky Prospekt facade, more or less straight on (viewer facing west):
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_Efacade2.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=Efacade2.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_Efacade3.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=Efacade3.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_Efacadefull.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=Efacadefull.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_COLORfacingW.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=COLORfacingW.jpg)


This is the front/east/Vosnesensky Prospekt facade seen from the north:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_GatefacingS.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=GatefacingS.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_GateEfacade.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=GateEfacade.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_gatecarriagehouse.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=gatecarriagehouse.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_COLOREfacade.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=COLOREfacade.jpg)


This is the front/east/Vosnesensky Prospekt facade, as seen from the south:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_SEfrontal4.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=SEfrontal4.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_SEfacades.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=SEfacades.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_SEcorner6.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=SEcorner6.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_VosnesenskyPr.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=VosnesenskyPr.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_SEfrontal2.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=SEfrontal2.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_SEcorner6.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=SEcorner6.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_EfacadefacingN.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=EfacadefacingN.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_EfacadefacingN2.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=EfacadefacingN2.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_SEfrontal.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=SEfrontal.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_SEfrontal3.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=SEfrontal3.jpg)

(Most views of the house are from this angle, because the murders occurred in the south end of the basement.)


Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on March 03, 2011, 09:05:18 AM
Main entrance:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_MainEntrancegateE.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=MainEntrancegateE.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_mainentracefirstfence.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=mainentracefirstfence.jpg)


Courtyard gate from the street:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_Gatecourtyard.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=Gatecourtyard.jpg)


Courtyard gate from inside (facing east):

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_gateinteriorfacingE.gif) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=gateinteriorfacingE.gif)


Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on March 03, 2011, 09:12:05 AM
North facade:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_Nfacade.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=Nfacade.jpg)


These are a little tricky -- this is the north facade of the *house itself* (not the carriage house) as seen from inside the courtyard:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_CourtyardentrancetobasementNfacade.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=CourtyardentrancetobasementNfacade.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_CourtyardentrancetobasementNfacade2.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=CourtyardentrancetobasementNfacade2.jpg)

On the night of the murders, the Romanovs were led out of the door on the left/east and into the door on the right/west to enter the basement.


This picture is taken from the roof of the house, looking northeast over the carriage house:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_COLORrooffacingEwithcarriagehouse.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=COLORrooffacingEwithcarriagehouse.jpg)

The gap between the two roofs is the courtyard, and the visible windows are on the south end of the carriage house.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on March 03, 2011, 09:19:55 AM
This is the west/rear facade:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_Wfacadebalcony.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=Wfacadebalcony.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_Wfacadebalcony2.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=Wfacadebalcony2.jpg)


Same facade, taken from a more northerly angle:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_WfacadebalconyfacingS.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=WfacadebalconyfacingS.jpg)


I *think* this is the bathhouse on the south end of the backyard. The photographer would have been facing northeast (toward the carriage house and street):

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_GardenBathhouseNEcorner.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=GardenBathhouseNEcorner.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on March 03, 2011, 09:31:34 AM
This is the southwest corner, taken from Vosnesensky Lane. The photographer would have been facing northeast:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_SWcorner.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=SWcorner.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_VosnesenskyLnfacingE.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=VosnesenskyLnfacingE.jpg)

Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on March 03, 2011, 09:33:00 AM
This is the south/Vosnesensky Lane facade with the window of the murder room indicated in the first photo:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_SEcornerCellarwindow.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=SEcornerCellarwindow.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_Sfacade.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=Sfacade.jpg)


Closeup of murder window:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_MurderwindowS.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=MurderwindowS.jpg)


Closeups of exterior basement entrance. This is directly west of the murder room, beneath Aleksei's bedroom windows:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_Sentrancetocellar2.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=Sentrancetocellar2.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_Sentrancetocellar.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=Sentrancetocellar.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_COLORSfacade.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=COLORSfacade.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on March 03, 2011, 09:38:55 AM
This is the iconic southeast corner, at the intersection of Vosnesensky Lane and Vosnesensky Prospekt:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_SEcorner.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=SEcorner.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_SEcorner5.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=SEcorner5.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_SEcorner4.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=SEcorner4.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_SEcorner3.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=SEcorner3.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_EfacadefacingN2.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=EfacadefacingN2.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_COLORSEcorner.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=COLORSEcorner.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on March 03, 2011, 09:49:20 AM
Now the fences.

This is the first fence, taken by Gilliard:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_fenceGilliardsphotoEfacade.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=fenceGilliardsphotoEfacade.jpg)

It enclosed only the south facade, and a large portion of the east facade.


Here's where the first fence joined the house, between the windows of the duty office, just south of the main entrance:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_mainentracefirstfence.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=mainentracefirstfence.jpg)




This is the more imposing second fence, which ringed the entire property, including the first fence:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_VosnesenskyPrTowardNW.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=VosnesenskyPrTowardNW.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_FenceSE.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=FenceSE.jpg)


If you look closely, you can see how the second fence was built around the St. Nicholas shrine at the front of the house:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_fence2.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=fence2.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_fenceEastFacade.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=fenceEastFacade.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_Efenceshrine.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=Efenceshrine.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on March 03, 2011, 10:00:09 AM
Aerial photos!

Looking across Vosnesensky square, toward the front/east facade:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_VosnesenskySq.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=VosnesenskySq.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_AerialfacingW.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=AerialfacingW.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_Aerialsq.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=Aerialsq.jpg)
(You're facing west as you look at these.)


This is taken from the same vantage point, but shows only the gate and carriage house in the lower left corner:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_AerialNendonly.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=AerialNendonly.jpg)


The south facade, taken facing north:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_aerialfacingnorth.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=aerialfacingnorth.jpg)


I'm guessing this was taken from Verkh-Itesky pond, looking northeast toward the back/west facade of the Ipatiev house:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_CityfacingE.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=CityfacingE.jpg)
(The cathedral is actually directly across from the house, which gives you some idea of the angle of this photo.)




Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: blessOTMA on March 03, 2011, 07:09:46 PM
OMG are you kidding me? This is a power point presentation! FAB!!

 You know I think the children had to disembark from the carriages in the courtyard...I really don't see them being allowed to get out of  them in the street....I haven't really seen the two courtyard doors they use to get from their rooms to the basement...which I would guess they had not been in before...The doors  are closer than I imagined and when you look at the fenced photos, it seems the house was off in some field, not a city of 10,000

This is such a wealth of info!!

Thank you!!!!!
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on March 03, 2011, 09:22:58 PM
You know I think the children had to disembark from the carriages in the courtyard...I really don't see them being allowed to get out of  them in the street....

There's a good deal of logic in that, but in his memoirs Gilliard recalls passing by on the street just in time to see Nagorny & Sednev being removed from the house:

One day when I was passing Ipatiev's house, accompanied by Dr. Derevenko and Mr. Gibbes, we saw two carriages drawn up and surrounded by a large number of Red Guards, What was our horror at recognizing in the first Sedniev (the valet-de-chambre of the Grand-Duchesses) sitting between two guards. Nagorny was going to the second carriage. He was just setting foot on the step with his hand on the side of the carriage when, raising his head, he saw us all there standing motionless a few yards from him. For a few seconds he looked fixedly at us, then, without a single gesture that might have betrayed us, he took his seat. The carriages were driven off, and we saw them turn in the direction of the prison.

Nagorny and Sednev, at least, were taken out via the main entrance -- otherwise Gilliard wouldn't have been able to see them getting into the carriage. So I don't think we can rule out the possibility that the Romanovs entered from the street rather than the courtyard.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: blessOTMA on March 04, 2011, 09:07:44 AM
I love that passage in Gillard's book , the courage of Nagorny and the intensely human moment between he and the group on the street  and how Gillard has passed  that moment on to us......but Nagorny & Sednev  were not Romanovs and even more than that ,  there was just two of them without dogs and baggage as potential distractions etc....and  they being taken  into carriages (and confinement) ...not leaving them , a slower process, particularly with the lame heir  slowing the process down even more. All that would needed would be a few passersby on the street to stop and look,( almost a given at least  before they would be chased off )  to start a very difficult situation, almost impossible to contain orderly...simply because, if nothing else, how anxious the gaurds would be during it and their usual  overreaction when anxious.

Thanks to your posts I'm seeing the IH photos clearly for the first time ! In that one Gillard took with the lone figure ( almost an art piece really ) I didn't realize the fence turns down the corner...it always seemed one, long continuous line! Amazing!
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: nena on March 05, 2011, 09:45:09 AM
The south facade, taken facing north:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/th_aerialfacingnorth.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/Ipatiev%20house%20exteriors/?action=view&current=aerialfacingnorth.jpg)
There is a home video of the Ipatiev House form a Russian documentary about the murderers.

Little donation:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/th_i_023.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/?action=view&current=i_023.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/th_4318345e.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/?action=view&current=4318345e.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/th_kuca.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/Ipatijev%20zdanje/?action=view&current=kuca.jpg)

I have seen one photo of the house from  the sixties or seventies, it was painted in brown and light yellow!
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Laura Mabee on March 05, 2011, 11:57:14 AM
Bravo Sarushka on such a concise image/direction compilation!  Thank you for the posts!
Thanks Nena for the additional images! Great work guys! : D
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Holly on March 05, 2011, 11:27:08 PM
Thanks for the pictures!

This is the first time for me seeing the Ipatiev House in color. It's a very strange feeling..
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: nena on March 06, 2011, 03:58:06 AM
This is the first time for me seeing the Ipatiev House in color. It's a very strange feeling..

Yes, indeed. Those in color were taken in September 1975.

And here is one more photo taken in color, full credit goes tot he Russian site:

http://ural-yeltsin.ru/news/page11/document2097/
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: billmcl2 on March 06, 2011, 05:37:05 PM
Thanks for all the photos - especially those in colour. You might also enjoy the following website, which features photographs and floor plans of the Ipatiev House, virtual tours of the inside and outside, a panoramic film clip, and detailed background information:

http://www.romanov-memorial.com/
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: blessOTMA on March 13, 2011, 09:56:24 AM
Top of the stairs with the toilet  and wash room and then the  stairs....biger than usual.  It's interesting to note the doors had leaver type handles...I don't know who is in the top of the staris photo, but these were taken to investigate the family's fate...so taken after they left
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20postings/th_topofthestaris.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20postings/topofthestaris.jpg)(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20postings/th_IHstairs.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20postings/IHstairs.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on March 13, 2011, 10:08:16 AM
The first photo is new to me -- thanks!
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: blessOTMA on March 13, 2011, 10:41:39 AM
Sarushka, I think I have seen it, but this is a much fuller version than usual . Happy to add to your collection!
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: billmcl2 on March 19, 2011, 11:23:16 PM
Many of the documentaries at Frozentears.org contain photos and film of the Ipatiev house. The Romanovs (Australian Broadcasting Company) includes several color film clips of the house from different angles.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Holly on March 20, 2011, 06:43:34 PM
Many of the documentaries at Frozentears.org contain photos and film of the Ipatiev house. The Romanovs (Australian Broadcasting Company) includes several color film clips of the house from different angles.
Thanks for the tip. I haven't been able to watch anything from Frozentears.org since I have a mac and haven't been able to figure out (or had the patience) how to play videos.

Great pictures, blessOTMA. I haven't seen them in such great quality before. Did you scan them from a book?
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: blessOTMA on March 20, 2011, 08:13:36 PM
You are welcome Holly. They were sold at a Sotheby's auction in the early 90's with other Romanov items...I have the catalog from the sale and scanned them from that.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: billmcl2 on March 21, 2011, 11:02:46 PM

Thanks for the tip. I haven't been able to watch anything from Frozentears.org since I have a mac and haven't been able to figure out (or had the patience) how to play videos.

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Sorry for the repeat post - I'm trying to figure out how to add quotes.

QuickTime 7 for Macs can be downloaded at:

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Laura Mabee on March 25, 2011, 12:52:45 PM
I haven't been able to watch anything from Frozentears.org since I have a mac and haven't been able to figure out (or had the patience) how to play videos.
B'aw! That's awful! I'm sorry Holly. BillMcl2 is right about Quicktime, and if that doesn't turn your crank, I'm positive they have a VLC version for the Mac (http://"http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-macosx.html") as well.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: voyageroffreedom on March 30, 2011, 03:38:54 AM
Sorry if it is repeated:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Ipatiev/th_87176709.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Ipatiev/?action=view&current=87176709.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on March 30, 2011, 08:25:29 AM
New to me -- don't remember seeing the shrine from that vantage point.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: voyageroffreedom on March 31, 2011, 06:12:34 AM
An illustration:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Ipatiev/th_87176706.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Ipatiev/?action=view&current=87176706.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: blessOTMA on March 31, 2011, 09:17:33 AM
Amazing find!  This an excellent water colour painting. I think the artist used  the photo you just posted as reference . The angel is spot on.( exact)  It's depicted in winter.... family never knew it during the cold months of course....but also if the colour is true, it's  succo facade colour was quite like AP's .   Thank you!
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Rodney_G. on April 01, 2011, 02:33:36 PM
Most excellent presentation, Sarushka!

It's taken about six years of reading and viewing but I think I now have a really good understanding of the Ipatiev House layout. Written descriptions of the IH , both inside and in its setting, weren't all that helpful, in some of the earlier books. They usually  didn't give any sense of the setting, the neighborhood of the House. It was hard to figure out what the IF could see out their windows, before the outer palisade was built;, where Voznezhensky Cathedral was in relation to IH; what was in back (to west and northwest of the house) and where storage sheds were;  what area where IF exercised was like,etc.

One of the things most surprising to me is the elevation and relative distance of the House from adjoining houses and streets. The Ipatiev House was really 'up there'  and more separate from any buildings nearby than I had imagined. You can really see it well in that early postcard. It makes the IF's stay there seem more eerie somehow.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: voyageroffreedom on May 11, 2011, 07:44:51 AM
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Ipatiev/0292_1_lg.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: blessOTMA on May 11, 2011, 09:06:03 PM
Amazing! Looks like guards marching  and a demonstration !
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Rodney_G. on May 12, 2011, 04:26:41 PM
 Holy Moly!  Nice pic!   That must have been taken not too long after Whites abandoned the city. Possibly   late  1919 . or 1920. Both palisades are down and the  distinctive pointed cap of the soldier in the center suggests early Red Army style. Notice marchers are right next to the IH, not even on Vosnesensky Prospect itself.  Hmmm.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: voyageroffreedom on May 15, 2011, 07:53:08 AM
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Ipatiev/0292_4_lg.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Alixz on May 15, 2011, 09:32:46 AM
I have always thought that Ipatiev House is one of the oddest and most strangely placed houses I have even seen.

I wonder just how the rooms were used by Ipatiev and his family.

It looks like there was only one floor that the Ipatiev family could use for everything.  Anything else was attic and basement.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: voyageroffreedom on May 23, 2011, 09:19:13 AM
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Ipatiev/0292_5_lg.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on May 23, 2011, 10:32:22 AM
WOW. Completely new to me. I've never seen a photo of Vosnesensky Lane from this vantage point (facing west). Where did you find it?
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Alixz on May 24, 2011, 01:11:09 PM
Isn't that snow??  That means that the Imperial Family never saw the house like it is in the picture!
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: voyageroffreedom on May 24, 2011, 02:44:26 PM
Yes that's snow in the picture.
I found it, as long with the two pictures above and the pictures below at Jackson’ Auction:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Ipatiev/th_0292_7_lg.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Ipatiev/?action=view&current=0292_7_lg.jpg)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Ipatiev/th_0292_6_lg.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Ipatiev/?action=view&current=0292_6_lg.jpg)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Ipatiev/th_0292_8_lg.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Ipatiev/?action=view&current=0292_8_lg.jpg)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Ipatiev/th_0292_2_lg.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Ipatiev/?action=view&current=0292_2_lg.jpg)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Ipatiev/th_0292_3_lg.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Ipatiev/?action=view&current=0292_3_lg.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: nena on May 24, 2011, 03:17:03 PM
Voyageroffreedom, you're such a fantastic finder, well done ! :-)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Holly on May 24, 2011, 03:30:36 PM
Wow -- very grateful for the last two picture posts!! Thanks!
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on May 24, 2011, 08:13:33 PM
Oh my goodness, the one of the parlor is wonderful!! Never seen it before, and it's very helpful for reference for one of my Romanov home movie sets!  ;)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on May 24, 2011, 10:25:54 PM
Really nice -- much better quality than the scans I had.

What room is the first photo?
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: blessOTMA on May 24, 2011, 10:35:58 PM
VOF!!! WOW Thank you!

Is it known what room this is? Totally new to me !
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Ipatiev/th_0292_7_lg.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Ipatiev/?action=view&current=0292_7_lg.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: voyageroffreedom on May 25, 2011, 04:55:12 AM
You’re all welcome <3
About the first picture, they just said officers in Ipatiev house.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on May 25, 2011, 08:27:40 AM
Judging solely by the placement of windows and doors, it seems like it would have to be the rear room adjoining the kitchen and dining room.

However, I'm beginning to wonder if this really is the Ipatiev house. The room seems disproportionately large, with a very high ceiling. The chandelier is much larger and more elaborate than the other light fixtures in the house. The trim around the ceiling is also different -- all the other rooms I've seen have deep wood mouldings, but this room appears to have plasterwork instead. Also, all the other doorways I have photos of are arched, while this room's doorway is square.

Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on May 25, 2011, 08:31:28 AM
Judging solely by the placement of windows and doors, it seems like it would have to be the rear room adjoining the kitchen and dining room.

It can't be that room, either -- there would have to be a stairway leading to the basement right inside the door. See the room labeled "chambre":

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Arrest%20and%20Exile/maisonipatiefplandupremiertage.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: blessOTMA on May 25, 2011, 08:12:34 PM
By the size I would say if it was Impatiev,  it would have to be in the public rooms area when the merchant entertained ...it looks like a ball room! The ceiling is domed...plus the windows don't seem a match ...the cross bar seems  lower ...and there is some mechanism at the ceiling  on the right hand size that appears like a dumb waiter? It generally  the furnishing appears older than Impatiev ...
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: billmcl2 on May 25, 2011, 10:19:21 PM
However, I'm beginning to wonder if this really is the Ipatiev house. The room seems disproportionately large, with a very high ceiling. The chandelier is much larger and more elaborate than the other light fixtures in the house. The trim around the ceiling is also different -- all the other rooms I've seen have deep wood mouldings, but this room appears to have plasterwork instead. Also, all the other doorways I have photos of are arched, while this room's doorway is square.


http://www.romanov-memorial.com/Inside.htm


This site has interactive floor plans of the Ipatiev House. Moving your cursor over the numbered rooms generates photos of the interior of each room. None of them appears to match this photo.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Carisbrooke on May 26, 2011, 01:58:34 AM
   My guess would be the picture was taken in the Hotel America. Those T shaped window frames are an exact match for the ones on the front of this building. This would also explain the opulence of the room, the chandelier, high ceiling & light fittings.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: blessOTMA on May 26, 2011, 09:57:48 AM
My guess would be the picture was taken in the Hotel America. Those T shaped window frames are an exact match for the ones on the front of this building. This would also explain the opulence of the room, the chandelier, high ceiling & light fittings
  I think that's an excellent guess... seems to me that is not just a public room, but a public place such as a hotel ....HA would also help explain how this photo wound up with IH photos since  both places were centers of executive activities . Can anyone recognize the uniforms?( era etc. ) 
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Alixz on May 26, 2011, 06:36:54 PM
i was wondering about the uniforms myself.  If they were Red Army or White.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: billmcl2 on May 28, 2011, 11:39:18 PM
Re: #122 by tom romanov:

The documentary The Romanovs (Australian Broadcasting Company) posted at Frozentears.org has several photos and film clips of the IH before and after 1918. Starting at 15:12 of Clip Two, there are several colour shots of different parts of the house including a brief glimpse of the interior of a room that was used by an art club. I'm not sure which room this is but I think it's an upstairs room because of window view.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Sarushka on May 29, 2011, 09:14:02 AM
The documentary The Romanovs (Australian Broadcasting Company) posted at Frozentears.org has several photos and film clips of the IH before and after 1918. Starting at 15:12 of Clip Two, there are several colour shots of different parts of the house including a brief glimpse of the interior of a room that was used by an art club. I'm not sure which room this is but I think it's an upstairs room because of window view.

There's also a photo of the Tobolsk drawing room at 1:56, which is presented as though it's from the Ipatiev house.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: billmcl2 on May 29, 2011, 11:13:32 PM
There's also a photo of the Tobolsk drawing room at 1:56, which is presented as though it's from the Ipatiev house.


I didn't notice that. Thanks, Sarushka!
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Woody3697 on April 08, 2014, 02:10:31 AM
Here's a few colour photos (large) from 1975.

(http://www.users.on.net/~andkb/col1.jpg)

(http://www.users.on.net/~andkb/col2.jpg)

(http://www.users.on.net/~andkb/col3.jpg)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Rodney_G. on April 08, 2014, 06:42:04 PM
Stunning color. Scary to think that such a presently so mundane building could have been the site of eleven horrific murders, and well within the lifetime of older local residents of 1975.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: blessOTMA on April 10, 2014, 10:17:57 AM
These are stunning, thank you !
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on April 11, 2014, 06:36:17 PM
There are mentioned in earlier replies of pictures on men in uniform. I can't access all the mentioned pictures but if someone posts them. I will see if can identify them. Note a big problem during the Russian civil war is both armies wore old Russian Imperial army uniforms making identification sometimes difficult.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on May 20, 2014, 05:54:35 PM
I have some uniform information the red Army pointed hat or Budenevka  was adopted on 16 January 1919 according to one source. I have found another that has some found with 1918 date stamps. The first source mentions it did get into wide use until the early 1920. The style tended to vary wearers of ones with really tall points were called "Rodheads". They were mainly designed for wear during colder times of the year according to one source and the pointed look was to help identify Red army soldiers from their enemies. I believe the Red army discarded it in 1940 after finding out it was not that usefull in the 1939-40 was with Finland.

How the Red army came to adopt the red star in late 1917 the Moscow garrison was ordered to wear tin or metal stars in their caps to disingush them from troops returning from the from. Some of the soldiers out of revolutionary zeal painted them red. The early red stars were worn point down until the later part of 1918 when they were worn point up. In July 1918 the army had the hammer and plough insignia on then which was soon changed to the hammer and sickle. I hope this of interest to you.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: bernard_timbal on July 27, 2014, 11:03:20 AM
some very interesting and news photos of ipatiev house and cellar room found by chance and I'd like to share wiith you

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRBZgO1zBEv6UFuV8aJeoB67yzOcud9pACKf_QzLgy0YPRweX_ZeQ)

(http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/news/images/575n.jpg) from this page http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/news/575news.html

(http://cs620922.vk.me/v620922027/dc1c/liMij29Mg4c.jpg)

Regards

Bernard
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Inok Nikolai on July 27, 2014, 11:41:31 AM
some very interesting and news photos of ipatiev house and cellar room found by chance and I'd like to share wiith you

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRBZgO1zBEv6UFuV8aJeoB67yzOcud9pACKf_QzLgy0YPRweX_ZeQ)

(http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/news/images/575n.jpg) from this page http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/news/575news.html

(http://cs620922.vk.me/v620922027/dc1c/liMij29Mg4c.jpg)

Regards

Bernard

Yes, quite amazing. And, as that link explains, these photographs are by Vitaly Shytov, and are from his new book (700+ pages) -- a very detailed history of the Ipatiev House and all its previous owners.

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/news/575news.html

Shytov was the last one to photograph the house inside and out just a few days before its destruction.

The book is in Russian and *very* expensive  ($200) -- but the photographs (1,000) and accounts are fascinating.

Only 500 copies were printed!

Here is a source in the USA:
http://www.biblio-globus.us/description.aspx?product_no=10050653

Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: bernard_timbal on July 27, 2014, 02:18:55 PM
Thank you for this information. I had not understood it was about a book. I have just buy with you link !
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Judicial Investigator on December 18, 2015, 04:40:36 PM
Командующий Североуральским фронтом генерал-лейтенант Радола Гайда (в центре) со своими ближайшими соратниками (капитан Жиха, капитан Плчек, поручик Шорм, капитан Маш, майор Гусарек) в своем рабочем кабинете в доме Ипатьева, бывшая комната Государя, Государыни и Наследника. Ноябрь 1918 года. Фотоархив VUA-VHA

(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/37861/98255750.90/0_16bf2b_80ed6d55_orig)
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Geniebeanie on February 01, 2016, 11:09:22 AM
A lot of these pictures are in a book The House Of Special Purpose by Charles Syndney Gibbs and J.C. Trewin.  Publisher is Stein And Day.
Title: Re: Ipatiev house photos (interior & exterior)
Post by: Jeremiah on September 02, 2017, 04:45:18 AM
IPATIEV HOUSE RECREATED IN 3D BY EKATERINBURG MUSEUM
Watch the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVJOSUeVsMQ