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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Tsarevich Alexei Nicholaievich => Topic started by: dmitri on August 15, 2007, 09:11:15 PM

Title: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: dmitri on August 15, 2007, 09:11:15 PM
I found it really quite touching to see the uniforms of Alexis on display at the Alexander Palace at Tsarskoe Selo. You realise what an enormous tragedy this boy experienced in his all too short a life. He deserved a much happier end.
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: Damie on August 19, 2007, 06:40:32 PM
I found it really quite touching to see the uniforms of Alexis on display at the Alexander Palace at Tsarskoe Selo. You realise what an enormous tragedy this boy experienced in his all too short a life. He deserved a much happier end.

I'm happy that you visited the Alexander Palace at Tsarskoe Selo and viewed the uniforms of the Tsarevich Alexei while there! It must have been a moving experience for you to see them.

-Damie
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: mr_harrison75 on August 19, 2007, 11:22:33 PM
It's already wonderful that they have been preserved! It's very nice to see the actual clothes of Aleksei, and compare with his pictures...but it is also sad...

Are there many of them to see at the Alexander Palace?
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: Sarushka on August 21, 2007, 08:03:12 AM
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Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: Sarushka on August 21, 2007, 08:04:59 AM
Epaulettes, hat, & boots:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/th_AlNepaulettesmaybe.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/AlNepaulettesmaybe.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/th_AlNhat.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/AlNhat.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/th_AlNepaulettes.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/AlNepaulettes.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/th_AlNBoots.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/AlNBoots.jpg)
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: dmitri on August 21, 2007, 08:47:48 AM
Yes the photos are wonderful and touching. They bring back memories of the boy who lived such a short, sometimes painful and other times happy unusual life before meeting his end in such a brutal manner.
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on November 07, 2007, 10:03:15 PM
Yes, Dimitri, I agree with your last posting on the uniforms of the Heir.  I have travelled much and have seen at close range the actual items over various stages of the Heir's life, including entire uniforms complete with boots and headdress in form-fitting trunks, as well as scaled-down sabers. In cases when a figure dies tragically, there is always a tendency to elevate that person to "bigger than life" status.
 While I am no romantic and do not overly identify with the subject, one IS struck by how small an appearance is demonstrated at the various ages past the "baby-fat years."  This was well-demonstrated by the exhibition of a WWI great-coat (obviously tailored for the Heir) that was meant to be worn  OVER  a uniform.  The slenderness/thinness/frality (?) of the fit was all too apparent.
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: nena on February 15, 2009, 07:41:13 PM
I think this post deserve a place here too:

ANR:
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Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: Olga Maria on February 24, 2009, 10:56:56 AM
I notice his suits are more beautiful than OTMA's.
Title: What uniform is this?
Post by: Ausmanov on March 01, 2009, 02:50:23 PM
I found a portrait of Alexei in a book i purchased {Tsarevich Alexis:
100th Anniversary (1904-2004)} and was wondering if any of you could tell me what uniform he is wearing. It was painted in 1911 by Sergey Egornov. I couldnt get the picture to come upbut for those who have the book, the portrait is on page 16.
Hope you can help.
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: Ausmanov on March 01, 2009, 03:11:54 PM
Hello. Its incredible to see those items belonging to Alexei. It gives a small picture of what was once an incredible person. I think the loss of Alexei was a terrible blow to the world. I was hoping to go to Russia next year and was wondering if any of you could recommend some good places to visit relating to Alexei and his family. Things like monuments, museums and your favourite locations.
Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: nena on March 01, 2009, 05:14:11 PM
I can only post photo:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Pisma%20i%20umetnost/1.jpg)

I can't define uniform, anyone else maybe? Probably his regiment, but which one, I don't know...Egersky?
Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: alixaannencova on March 01, 2009, 05:25:37 PM
Could it be the Guard Reserve Cavalry Regiment? I'll have another think about this one and see if I can find more specific details as I am not certain but it does look very similar!

 
Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on March 01, 2009, 07:10:17 PM
Attention "Ausmanov and others:   I have personally seen this exact (original) uniform twice, with scaled-down saber, etc.  (but minus the Saint Andrew's order and small military badge), in an exhibition in the USA entitled "Nicholas and Alexandra," in 1998 and 1999.  It is published (complete with full description and provenance) in the exhibit's rather large catalogue, on page 188/189 of the chapter "Costumes,"  illlustration # 324 as:  " Child's Second Lieutenant's Uniform of the Life-Guard Engineer Battlion, which belonged to the Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich, 1910s."  I have information on the publisher, etc. of the hard-bound catalogue if needed.  I think it was later published in a soft-bound version as well.)  Best regards,  AP
Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: alixaannencova on March 01, 2009, 07:30:24 PM
Thank you for identifying the uniform AP...it would have niggled at me if it hadn't been clarified!
Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on March 01, 2009, 07:33:57 PM
Re the Second Lieutenant's Uniform of the Life-Guard Engineer Battalion:    My pleasure!   The amazing thing that "drove home" the reality, was that the uniforms WERE so small, truly child-size.  The provenance notes that it " was acquired from the Alexander Palace, Tsarkoe Selo in 1941."   Best regards,  AP
Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: nena on March 01, 2009, 07:45:37 PM
More about that uniform, regiment and Alexei here:

http://yaik.nichost.ru/forum/showthread.php?s=a6b4cccbe659410194ecbb0ff1231381&t=184

Tsarevich Alexei Nikolayevich's Officer Uniform of His Majesty's 1st Urals Squadron of the Life-Guards Composite Cossack Regiment St Petersburg Russia. 1910s Cloth, silver, diagonal cloth, silver galloon, velvet and silver thread; l. of tunic 52.5 cm . Мундир офицерский 1-ой Уральской Его Величества сотни Лейб-гвардии Сводно-казачьего полка, принадлежавший наследнику-цесаревичу Алексею Николаевичу Санкт-Петербург Россия. 1910-е гг. Сукно, серебро, диагональ, серебряный галун, бархат, серебряная нить; дл. мундира 52.5 см[/i

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/th_AlNLifeGuard1stUrals.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/AlNLifeGuard1stUrals.jpg)

Photo of uniform on link above and on link also closeup. And, colour is different also, from that regiment. And not very similar to real uniform, IMO(a portrait to photo). Strange.

Thanks to AP and Sarushka !  :)
Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on March 01, 2009, 08:17:52 PM
Please note that in my haste to get out the information, I incorrectly gave the wrong uniform designation.   I have now correctly identified it in the Reply #3.   IT IS CORRECTLY:  A CHILD'S 2ND LIEUTENANT'S UNIFORM OF THE LIFE-GUARD ENGINEER BATTALION .  I regret the error that the time-lag caused in the posting correction.  The source's page numbers and illustration are the same.  Regards,  AP
Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: Ausmanov on March 01, 2009, 08:35:33 PM
Thank you very much for that information Aleksandr, its been bugging me for days. Do you know what the military badge is? That exhibition sounded really interesting. 
Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on March 02, 2009, 06:22:30 AM
Thank you, "Ausmanov:"  It was my pleasure to identify the uniform for you.  I will attempt to research the military badge for you and get back to you in a couple of days.  At the exhibition, the badge and the Order of St. Andrew were not on the uniform.   Yes, that particular Exhibition was only shown in the USA at 4 locations.  There were many fascinating items there, the most unusual that I remember, was to observe at close range, the "Coronation Egg" by Faberge with its miniature Coronation Coach (at that time the egg was owned by Forbes, Inc.), and then, to look into the very next exhibition room, and THERE was the ACTUAL coach itself, having been brought over from Russia!    Best regards.   AP
Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: Ausmanov on March 02, 2009, 02:56:51 PM
Wow that would have been incredible. Faberge made made some amazing not to mention incredibly intricate items. I think its a shame that allot of the treasury, imperial jewels and so on are still missing.
Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: Daniel Briere on March 07, 2009, 10:30:37 AM
Hi everybody,

Egornov’s beautiful portrait depicts Alexei in his uniform of Chief of the Life-Guards Finlandsky Infantry Regiment. Besides having various combinations of cuffs, lapel (plastron), buttons, embroideries and helmet plume colour which can help identify the  Guards Infantry regiments, each one had specific embroideries on collar and tabs. The Finlandsky regimental pattern can clearly be seen on a large size version of the Egornov portrait I have.

Nena: Egersky does look somewhat like that one but besides having different embroideries, it had a dark green lapel unlike the Finlandsky which had the same so called « tsar's green » blue-green lapel as the tunic.
Aleksandr Pavlovich : the uniform you describe and have seen (I did too) is indeed the one of the Life-Guards’ Engineers Battalion (in which Alexis was enrolled) :

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/4f5c60a7fa6d.jpg)

But its cuffs and lapel were made of dark velvet, it had silver buttons and embroideries instead of gold. Also epaulettes had Nicholas II’s monogram , the Finlandsky had none.

Here is the sketch of the LG Engineers Battalion published by the General Staff in 1910 (officers on the left):

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/shenk3hs.jpg)

And here is the sketch for the LG Finlandsky Regiment :

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/shenk1hs.jpg)

But you did see a Finlandsky Infantry regiment tunic at the 1999 exhibition, only it was the one which belonged to Nicholas II (see catalogue no. 318). Sorry I don't have a photo of it. The catalogue is mistaken in stating that Alexei was named as its « commander-in-chief » for its 1906 bicentennial : the Tsesarevich was named colonel-in-chief by his father on 07-30-1904, the day he was born (O.S.). Furthermore the catalogue shows white shako plumes for the Finlandsky Regiment and Engineer Battalion but they both had a black plume, as shown on Egornov’s portrait and General Staff sketches.

Ausmanov : the badge of Alexei's chest, below the Order is St. Andrew, is the Guards’ Finlandsky regimental badge, granted to the regiment by the Emperor on Dec. 12, 1906 for its bicentennial :

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/Znak_LG_Finland_polk.jpg)

Hope it helps!
Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on March 07, 2009, 11:10:08 AM
Marvelous, Daniel !   You have done all of us a great favor by elaborating on the subtle differences in detail of the uniform in question.  I hope that all who read my previous attempt in description will now notice your more CORRECTIVE attribution.  ( I do remember the Finlandsky uniform of Nicholas II, and I have the catalogue.  I am happy that you apparently were able to see the exhibition as well!  It was simply outstanding.) Your added information helps in a multitude of ways, even knowing that the exhibit catalogue was incorrect (as on the plumes, etc.)!    Thanks again for the clarification!  Best regards,  AP
Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: Ausmanov on March 08, 2009, 04:38:23 PM
Thank you very much Daniel and Aleksandr for all your help in identifying those badges and the uniform. I was wondering if either of you could tell me which units,regiments and so on that Alexei was particularly involved in. I know he was involved in the Life-Guards Finlandsky Infantry Regiment and i read in The last diary of the Tsaritsa Alexandra that he was, i think, the Patron of the 14th Georgian regiment.
Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on March 08, 2009, 05:00:51 PM
Thank you for your kind words, "Ausmanov" !   As to the number and identification of military titles, ranks, etc. held by the Heir, I would gratefully defer to Daniel's excellent knowledge and resources to give you a definitive answer.  Best regards,  AP
Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: nena on March 08, 2009, 05:49:13 PM
Yes, Daniel Briere's knowledge about regiments and uniforms are excellent, I noticed long time ago.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/th_955f8c90.jpg)
 (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/955f8c90.jpg)

Same cap, isn't it, of  Life-Guards’ Engineers Battalion, from Toys of Tsar's children, or Na Detskoi polovine Russian book. Similar caps appears in some Aleksei's photos.  ;-)
Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: Daniel Briere on March 10, 2009, 04:17:58 PM
Thank you Nena ☺. I’m no expert…yet but have a lot of books and done quite a lot of research on the topic.

AP you are right about subtle differences in details of Imperial Russian uniforms. So subtle that many are often quite difficult to identify, especially on black & white photos. Furthermore, there were numerous reforms in millitary dress  introduced during Nicholas II’s reign, adding to the many possibilities, but at least one can get some clues for dating them.

Yes I have seen the fabulous Nicholas & Alexandra 1999 exhibition in the US. Twice I might add, as I was quite overwhelmed by it on my 1st visit. So much to see and to reflect upon…I had to go back for a second visit to see it all. I doubt we’ll ever see another exhibition like that one outside Russia. Hope you saw the smaller 2004-2005 « Nicholas & Alexandra : at Home with the last Tsar & his Family » exhibition too : only one of Alexei’s uniform but his beautiful christening set and a number of his toys. Quite moving.

Ausmanov, you are right in both cases. Alexei was named Chief of the Life-Guards Finlandsky Regiment on the day he was born but was only officially introduced to his regiment when he was 2 years old, on the occasion of its bicentennial celebrations in December 1906. Boris Kustodiev’s painting of the Regimental Church Parade shows him in his father’s arms, still dressed as a girl! Not very manly for an officer…

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/800px-Kustod_Fin_Regiment.jpg)

As for the 14th Gruzinsky (Georgian) Regiment he received it as a « birthday present » from his father when he turned eight. Here is a photo of Alexei wearing the new 1913 pattern dress uniform (which only a few regiments received before the War broke out).
 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/14GrenGruzinsky.jpg)


Below you’ll see his tunic, now in the Hermitage Museum collection . Please note that the photographic process used at that time made yellow look as black, which doesn’t help with identifying regiments!
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/14eGrenadiersGruzinsky.jpg)

As you will see, Alexei was also involved in many other units and regiments. Although tsarevich Alexei was too young to serve as an officer in the Army (during the war he began “serving” as a private and was later promoted to the rank of corporal « yefreitor », which he was really proud of), he nevertheless was named chief (russian word is ‘‘shef ’’ although this position is better know in the West as patron, honorary colonel or colonel-in-chief) of a number of regiments and other military units and establishments (with the lowest officer’s rank and insignia of sub-lieutenant).

On the day he was born, he was named Ataman of all Cossack Troops (ataman/ hetman is a title for a Cossack military chief ). In the tsarevich’s case it was an honorary post which had been held by every Heir to the Throne since Nicholas I had created it for his eldest son Alexander (future Alexander II).

On the same day (07-30-1904 Old Style) Nicholas II also named his son Chief  (colonel-in-chief) of the following 4 regiments:
- Atamansky (Cossack Cavalry) Life-Guards Regiment of His Imperial Highness the Heir Tsesarevich. By tradition, as Ataman of all Cossacks, the Heir to the Throne was always named chief of this regiment which he only kept until he became Emperor. BTW had Alexei lived until his 16th birthday, he would have celebrated his dynastic coming of age by wearing this regiment’s uniform and swearing the oaths as officer and Heir to the Throne while holding this regiment’s standard – which was saved and smuggled out of Soviet Russia after the Civil War by 3 former Atamansky Cossack officers. The standard is now in Paris, missing only its St. Andrew Jubilee Ribbon as, sadly,  one of those 3 brave officers was caught and killed by the Bolsheviks, giving his life for the honour of the Tsesarevich’s Regiment);
- Finlandsky (Infantry) Life-Guards Regiment;
- 51st Litovsky Infantry Regiment of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (not to be mistaken for the Litovsky Guards Regiment);
- 12th Siberian Rifle Regiment of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich.

Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: Daniel Briere on March 10, 2009, 04:20:41 PM
As he grew up, his father  the Emperor named him chief of more military units and establishments. The last official list, published by His Majesty’s Military Chancellery for 1917, names the following (listed by dates of regimental/school holiday). Sadly enough, that year, the February Revolution broke out and the Tsarevich was deprived of his title of Chief of regiments before any of them would celebrate their holiday.

When I could find them, I added the dates (old style) on which he was named chief:

- Konstantinovsky Artillery School;
- 1st Nerchinsky Trans-Baikal Cossack Regiment of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (during the War);
- 1st Zabaikalsky (Trans-Baikal) Cossack (Artillery) Battery of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (on 05-06-1910, his father’s birthday);
- 12th Siberian Rifle Regiment of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (07-30-1904);
- 1st Orenburgsky Cossack Regiment of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (1914);
- 14th Gruzinsky Grenadier Regiment of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (on 07-30-1912, his 8th birthday);
- 89th Belomorsky Infantry Regiment of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (on 07-30-1915, his 11th birthday);
- Horse-Grenadier Life-Guards Regiment (06-13-1910);
- 5th Kievsky Grenadier Regiment of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (1912);
- 43rd (later16th ) Tversky Dragoon Regiment of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (on 07-30-1907 his 3rd birthday);
- 1st Volgsky Terek Cossack Regiment of H.I. H. the Heir Tsesarevich (06-1916);
- 2nd Don Cossack Regiment of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (during the War I think);
- Tashkent Cadet Corps of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (on 10-05-1904, his namesday);
- 3rd Kuban Plastun (Cossack Infantry) Batalion of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (04-19-1915);
- Alexis Military School (02-02-1906) formerly known as the Moscow Military School;
- Naval (Cadet) Corps (Morskoi Korpus) of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (11-08-1914);
- Moskovsky (Infantry) Life-Guards Regiment (on 11-08-1910, their regimental holiday);
- 206th Saliansky Infantry Regiment of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (also for his 3rd birthday in 1907);
- Novocherkassk Cossack Military School;
- Atamansky (Cossack Cavalry) Life-Guards Regiment of  H. I. H. the Heir Tsesarevich (07-30-1904);
- 4th Life-Guards Horse Artillery Battery of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich  (01-25-1906); 
- 51st Litovsky Infantry Regiment of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (07-30-1904);
- Finlandsky (Infantry) Life-Guards Regiment (07-30-1904).

I might add that during the war a military hospital was opened in the Winter Palace and named after him.

Only the regiments known as His Imperial Highness’ Own (which I have indicated according to their official Russian name as “of H. I. H. the Heir Tsesarevich”) or establishments named after him were entitled to wear his monogram on their epaulettes and shoulder boards. Oddly enough the Atamansky Regiment didn’t wear his monogram. It seems only the Life-Guards’ regiments with Russian or Foreign Heads of States were entitled to a monogram.

Here is a pair of shoulder-boards from my collection with Alexei’s monogram. The combination of one star, gold monogram, braid & red piping (outer red piping missing), means they most probably belonged to an ensign from his 51st Litovsky Infantry Regiment although his Tashkent Military School had the same pattern too.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/040307009.jpg)

Although being “shef” was purely a honorary  position, he took his duties quite seriously, learning about the regimental histories, receiving delegations from his regiments and schools, usually on his birthday, namesday and regimental holidays, and attending military functions from a very young age. He must certainly have been more familiar with those of his regiments - and their officers – who were stationed in Tsarskoe-Selo or St. Petersburg. From the regiments who were far away, he would only get telegrams, gifts and photo albums on his birthday and namesday, and the occasional visit of their commanding officer either in Tsarskoe Selo or Livadia. At times, detachments from his regiments were also invited to participate in special occasions such as jubilees or maneouvers. During the War, while accompanying his father on inspection tours, he also got to review a few of his regiments. The men were apparently quite impressed to meet their chief in the flesh, and surprised to see him wearing only a soldier’s khaki uniform.

When Alexei was born he was also enrolled in all regiments of which his father, mother and grand-mother were colonel-in-chief at the time. Others were added on later. Here is the official 1917 list (again by order of regimental holiday):

-   80th Gen. Feld-Marshal Pr. Baryatinsky Kabardinsky Infantry Regiment
-   His Majesty’s Life-Guards Lancers
-   1st Cadet Corps
-   Horse Guards
-   Life-Guards Combined Cossack Regiment
-   Life Guards Grenadiers
-   1st His Majesty’s Rifles
-   Alexandrovskoe Military School
-   6th His Majesty’s Life-Guards Don Cossacks’ Horse Artillery Battery
-   Her Majesty Empress Maria Feodorovna’s Life-Guards Cuirassiers
-   Nicholas Cavalry School’s Cossack Sotnia
-   Her Majesty Empress Alexandra Feodorovna’s Life-Guards Lancers
-   Pavlovskoe Military School
-   Izmailovsky Life-Guards (Infantry) Regiment
-   Sappers (Engineers) Life-Guards Regiment
-   His Majesty’s Life-Guards Cuirassiers
-   13th Erivansky Leib-Grenadier Tsar Mikhail Feodorovich’s Regiment
-   16th Emperor Alexander III Rifles
-   Preobrazhensky Infantry Life-Guards Regiment
-   1st Ekaterinoslavsky Leib-Grenadier Emperor Alexander III’s Regiment
-   84th His Majesty’s Shirvanksy Infantry Regiment
-   Egersky Life-Guards (Infantry) Regiment
-   5th Alexandrinsky Her Majesty Empress Alexandra Feodorovna’s Hussars
-   Her Majesty Empress Maria Feodorovna’s Chevaliers-Gardes
-   18th Seversky King Christian IX of Denmark’s Dragoons
-   His Majesty’s Life-Guards Cossacks
-   His Imperial Majesty’s Own (Cossack) Escort (« Konvoi »)
-   65th His Majesty’s Moskovsky Infantry Regiment
-   His Majesty’s Life-Guards Hussars
-   1st Life-Guards’ Artillery Brigade
-   Semyonovsky Life-Guards (Infantry) Regiment
-   Pavlovsky Life-Guards (Infantry) Regiment
-   1st His Majesty’s Life-Guards Horse Artillery Battery
-   2nd Pavlogradsky Emperor Alexander III’s Leib-Hussars (Alexis was « 2nd chief » of the regiment)
-   17th Nizhegorodsky His Majesty’s Dragoons
-   Garde Equipage (Naval Guards)
-   3rd His Majesty’s Life-Guards Rifles
-   4th Imperial Family’s Life-Guards Rifles
-   His Majesty’s Own Railroad Regiment
-   1st His Majesty’s Ermak Timofeev Siberian Cossacks
-   Volynsky Life-Guards (Infantry) Regiment.

Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: Daniel Briere on March 10, 2009, 04:26:30 PM
Being enrolled in a regiment permitted him to wear its regiments’ uniforms too, which explains why Alexei can be seen in uniforms of regiments he was not chief of. You’ve already seen the one Nena posted (His Majesty's 1st Ural Squadron of the Life-Guards Composite Cossack Regiment, with the raspberry tunic). Here are a few others :

In 1912, His Majesty’s Life-Guards Cossacks presented a full uniform and sabre kit to Alexei. His portrait was painted and hung in the Guards’ Cossacks Regimental Museum in St. Petersburg. After the Revolution, most of its collection was saved by the Cossacks who refused to disband and went into exile. Nowadays, part of the regiment’s collection is in their private museum in Paris, including Alexei’s portrait :

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/C2s.jpg)

The other part of the collection is on loan to the Brussels Army Museum which recently opened a new permanent display to showcase the treasures of the Guards Cossacks and some others saved from the Revolution. A scarlet tunic which belonged to Alexis can be seen there. It may well be the one presented to him by the regiment in 1912.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/B28-copie.jpg)

Alexei was also enrolled in his Grand-mother’s Garde Equipage which provided crews for the imperial yachts. Until the War began, he often wore a uniform of sailor from the « Standart » but he also had a miniature officer uniform for ceremonial occasion, shown below left, under his 1st Life-Guards Artillery Brigade uniform :

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/67f5_3.jpg)

As you can see, Alexei must have had a huge collection of uniforms! He wore them at military parades and on special occasions like regimental holidays. The full dress uniforms were usually presented to him by his regiments in a leather trunk inscribed to his name (I have seen one of them) with all the equipment (epaulettes, helmets, boots along with a miniature sword). He then would have his portait painted and photos shot to be hung in the officers’ mess and soldiers’ barracks. Their « Chief’s » photo was in every new soldier’s handbook. On purpose, some were also published in newspapers and on postcards to show Russia had a beautiful - and apparently healthy - Heir to the Throne. He also could be seen in the newsreels shown at movie theaters, walking alongside his father, a miniature tsar-in-waiting. This helped his popularity immensly.

By the time the Revolution broke out, It’s not yet clear to me if he had received uniforms from all the regiments of which he was chief of or enrolled in, but I’m nevertheless amazed at the number which did survive a Revolution and 2 wars. Until the 1941 Nazi invasion of Russia most of them were still kept in the Alexander Palace wardrobes. While preparing to evacuate the Tsarskoe Selo Museums most valuable treasures to Siberia, the staff cleverly thought of using the Imperial Family clothes and uniforms to wrap the museum treasures, thus saving them from destruction or looting. Not all of Alexei’s uniform went back to Tsarskoe Selo. Some were given to other museums such as the Russian History Museum in Moscow, others are in the Museum of Artillery, Engineers and Signal Corps collection (St. Petersburg). The Hermitage as a number of them and some are on display at their new Guards Museum. But it seems quite a few made it back to the Tsarskoe Selo Museum reserves (Catherine Palace) and some of them are - at last! - back home, on display at the Alexander Palace. Even without all their fittings, epaulettes, medals, regimental insignias, they stand as beautiful memories of a lost world and a young tsarevich who would never be tsar.
Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: nena on March 10, 2009, 04:35:42 PM
Wow!  :o THANK YOU, if I may add this my little add Russian link about his regiment:

Wartime regiment, Battalion:

http://historydoc.edu.ru/catalog.asp?cat_ob_no=13047&ob_no=13710

But you are simply fantastic, I appreciate your work and huge knowledge, Sir!

I wonder, did he wear uniform during war days because of some regiments, or his peronal will, or traditional thing, since war was then? Also, can't define his uniforms he wore during visiting Stavka, I believe they are just regular uniforms, expect Cossack one from Ocober 4th of 1916. I remember you said Alexandra wasn't present, because of her illness. Thank you again! 

Sotnia Cossack review, july 4th 1916, Mogilev , GHQ - Stavka:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/th_14c6eaab.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/?action=view&current=14c6eaab.jpg)

October 4th 1916:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/Aleksej_Stavka/th_a40eb487.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/Aleksej_Stavka/?action=view&current=a40eb487.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/Aleksej_Stavka/th_df39463e.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/Aleksej_Stavka/?action=view&current=df39463e.jpg)

With count A. Grabbe (last one), same year, July 4th (first one, I think same day) and October 4th (second one):

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/th_73.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/?action=view&current=73.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/th_71.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/?action=view&current=71.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/th_c6dcea24.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/?action=view&current=c6dcea24.jpg)

I think 4th one is typical day for reviewing troops, or just    incidental?

Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on March 10, 2009, 04:44:39 PM
Outstanding and comprehensive, Daniel !   Well done!   Best regards,  AP
Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: Daniel Briere on March 10, 2009, 07:21:54 PM
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/th_955f8c90.jpg)
 (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/955f8c90.jpg)

Same cap, isn't it, of  Life-Guards’ Engineers Battalion, from Toys of Tsar's children, or Na Detskoi polovine Russian book. Similar caps appears in some Aleksei's photos.  ;-)

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Nena you are right about the cap pattern being the same. In 1909 a new headgear pattern, based on the 1812 style shako (« kiver » in Russian), was introduced for all Guards’ Infantry, Rifles, Artillery and Engineers units with the exception of the LG Pavlovsky Regiment who kept their old Grenadier mitres, and the 4th Imperial Family Rifles who kept their typical cap. The various units could be distinguished by regimental cap-band and button colours, honour scrolls and other devices (such as crossed cannons for artillery). All had the star of St. Andrew (reserved for the Guards). Officers’ shakos were basically tsar’s green (with various braids to show rank), lower ranks were black. On full dress order, a white or black plume was worn. On undress order, it was replaced by a pompon, as the one shown of the photo you’ve posted (Alexei in winter dress, LG Jaegersky Regiment).

All ranks had a braided-like shako string (« kutas ») hung on the back of the cap with a tassel on each side. Commanding officers and Chiefs of regiments ALSO had a string IN FRONT of the shako, over the star of St. Andrew. So when Alexei has one on his, it means he’s the Chief of the regiment as can be seen on this photo showing him in his full-dress uniform of  the Life-Guards Moskovsky Regiment (probably taken for the regiment's jubilee in 1911):

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/AlexejRomanovpotet.jpg)

Can't trust the museums though, as some shakos have lost their strings...better check old photos!

In the case of the Life-Guards Jaegersky Regiment, Alexei’s shako doesn’t have a front string because the chief of the regiment was his father. BTW, I have seen the greatcoat that's on your photo. It’s now in the Hermitage collection :
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/AlNLifeGuardsChassuers.jpg)

Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: Ausmanov on March 11, 2009, 12:04:00 AM
Thank you so much Daniel. Your reputation in this area is very well deserved. I had no idea that he was involved in so many regiments, I knew he was very fond of the military though. can you recommend a good place to find information on this subject or did you just pick up little piece's of information from all over. Where did you find those find those shoulder-boards? Ive got a small collection of my own but nothing like that.
Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: Daniel Briere on March 12, 2009, 01:43:54 PM
Wow!  :o THANK YOU, if I may add this my little add Russian link about his regiment:

Wartime regiment, Battalion:

http://historydoc.edu.ru/catalog.asp?cat_ob_no=13047&ob_no=13710

But you are simply fantastic, I appreciate your work and huge knowledge, Sir!

I wonder, did he wear uniform during war days because of some regiments, or his peronal will, or traditional thing, since war was then? Also, can't define his uniforms he wore during visiting Stavka, I believe they are just regular uniforms, expect Cossack one from Ocober 4th of 1916. I remember you said Alexandra wasn't present, because of her illness. Thank you again! 

Sotnia Cossack review, july 4th 1916, Mogilev , GHQ - Stavka:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/th_14c6eaab.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/?action=view&current=14c6eaab.jpg)

October 4th 1916:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/Aleksej_Stavka/th_a40eb487.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/Aleksej_Stavka/?action=view&current=a40eb487.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/Aleksej_Stavka/th_df39463e.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/Aleksej_Stavka/?action=view&current=df39463e.jpg)

With count A. Grabbe (last one), same year, July 4th (first one, I think same day) and October 4th (second one):

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/th_73.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/?action=view&current=73.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/th_71.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/?action=view&current=71.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/th_c6dcea24.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/?action=view&current=c6dcea24.jpg)

I think 4th one is typical day for reviewing troops, or just    incidental?



Ausmanov & Nena, thank you for your kind words. Nena, about your photo link, for those who don’t read Russian, I will add that the link to « Wartime regiment, Battalion » shows the 1st Battalion of the 14th Gruzinsky Grenadier Regiment.

Nena : before I try to answer your questions about Alexei’s Wartime uniforms, I will add the following link to a very large size photo of Egornov’s portrait of Alexei in his LG Finlandsky Regiment uniform :
http://www.belygorod.ru/img2/RusskieKartinki/Used/616rnov_CesarevichAlekseGRM.jpg

Colour balance isn’t correct though, as Alexei’s shouldn’t be that blue but « tsar’s green » (somewhat like dark turquoise). Details of a regimental Chief shako can be seen clearly, with the shako cords on the back and front. The painting is set up in the Alexander Palace Portrait Hall. Interesting to see how it looked liked in colour. If I’m not mistaken, the red vase has survived.

Campaign uniforms : in 1909 the Russian Army adopted a universal field service dress of grey-green colour which Russians call « protective colour » (zashchitnaya) and I will call khaki.  From then on, Field service dress basically all looked alike especially for lower ranks who wore a peasant-like blouse (« gymnastiorka ») over loose pants of the same colour (except in the Cavalry where blue or grey pants were worn). Reversible shoulder boards were worn with the blouse : regimental colour on one side (for parades and off-duty service), khaki on the other side (for service at the Front). As the 1914 British Army Handbook of the Russian Army puts it :
« The unit to which an officer or man belongs can best be ascertained, in the case of Guards units, by the coloured piping on the collar, cuffs and shoulder-straps; in the case of all other units, by the distinguishing marks on the shoulder-straps. There are also certain additional guides which may be useful useful aids in determining the unit to which an individual belongs: these are the colour of the shoulder-straps of the greatcoat (…), the colour of the collar patches on the greatcoat, and, in the case of the cavalry, the coloured stripe on the breeches. »

So in most cases, only minute details could identify to which units men belonged : during the War even the rank insignias and units ID became as inconspicuous as possible so that, even with binoculars, the enemy wouldn’t be able to identify which units were where. By now, you will certainly have understood that on black & white photos, without colour references, most war-time uniforms cannot be identified unless a close-up can show the shoulder-boards, or a regimental insignia.

It is known that Nicholas II had some favourite uniforms for daily wear : amongst them, the one from his Own 4th Imperial Family Rifles, which luckily for us can easily be identified – even in war-time - by their peasant-like blouse along with their unique shoulder-board pattern and cockade on forage cap. On special occasions, such as one of his regiments’ holidays, he would wear the uniform of the regiment of the day. When there were many oh his regiments – at reviews or manoeuvers for instance - as a special favour, he would often choose the uniform of a regiment which had distinguished itself. In any case, the officers and men of a regiment always took great pride to see the Emperor dressed in their regiment’s uniform. Before the Alexei did the same as his father. It is more difficult to prove he did the same during the War as he usually wore the uniform of an ordinary soldier. Only correctly captioned photos, diary entries, memoirs of witnesses and the Court Diary (« Kamer-furiersky zhurnal ») could give us some clues. In theory, for daily wear he could pick any of his 23 regiments, and even any of the 38 other regiments he was enlisted in, though I doubt very much that when travelling to Stavka they would pack more than a few uniforms at the time, taking in consideration those to be worn on upcoming special occasions.

Luckily though, all Caucasian Cossack units had a different summer & winter field dress than the the others so they are less difficult to identify.

Your photos no. 1, 4 & 6 show Alexei in summer field-dress with a white leather belt. This undoubtedly indicate a Guards’ regiment – as do the plain colour shoulder-boards I have seen elsewhere (Line regiments and other units had numbers, letters & specialty badges and wore black leather belts). As for which regiment, I can’t tell but it’s not the Cossack Escort, even though he and his father are reviewing one of its detachment. In N. V. Galushkin’s book « Sobstvennyi Ego Imperatorskogo Velichestva Konvoi », your photo no. 4 is captioned as « Return from the Front of the 4th Life-Guards’ Terek Sotnia. Report to the Sovereign Emperor from Sotnia Commander Captain Tatonov. 1916.»




 

Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: Daniel Briere on March 12, 2009, 02:06:35 PM
Here’s another photo showing Alexei in an unidentified Guard’s regiment winter dress. Quite interesting, as he is wearing a withe leather belt with a side arm which he usually didn’t do, except for fromal photo shoots, as he could have injured himself with it :

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/101481184a-1.jpg)

Your photo no. 3 is quite blurred but it doesn’t seem the Tsar and Alexei are wearing the Winter Escort uniform but rather an Army one.

Your photo no. 5 cannot have been taken on October 4, 1916 but rather a year earlier. Alexei looks smaller than on your photo no. 2 and although both photos were taken during an  Escort’s regimental holiday parade, the Emperor, Alexei and the Escort aren’t wearing the same uniform. On photo no. 5 they are wearing the so-called « everyday » dress uniform :  dark blue « cherkesska » (long Caucasian wool coat) with silver braid for officers , red « beshmet » (long Caucasian blouse) with silver braid and shoulder boards for officers. This uniform was worn as war-time parade dress until late 1915. As Colonel Galushkin (a former Escort officer) wrote in his book (my translation) : « The Parade at Stavka on the day of the Konvoi’s regimental holiday in 1915 was the last parade where the Sovereign Emperor, the Heir Tsesarevich, the officers and cossacks had the blue Konvoi uniform. For war-time a campaign uniform was established by Highest Order » (starting in late 1915 a khaki cherkesska coat –without braid – was worn over the red beshmet blouse with silver braid). This is the uniform they are wearing on your photo no. 2. Here is a photo showing both uniforms worn by Nicholas II (1915 on the left, 1916 on the right):

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/cerkeska3_973-1.jpg)

As colonel Galushkin recalls in his book (he was in attendance that day), your photo no. 2 was taken, at Stavka on October 4, 1916 after the religious service (« moleben ») and parade of the Escort’s 1st & 2nd Life-Guards Kuban Sotnias (Cossack squadrons) held for the their last regimental holiday before the Revolution. As Galushkin wrote, instead of the usual photo shoot, Court photographers took photos and also filmed the celebrations. (I have seen film excerpts showing part of the parade and later the group of officers with the IF standing still for your photo then disbanding. At the end the Imperial Family walks away smiling. It’s quite eery to see them happy as it might have been the last time the Imperial Family was ever filmed. Unfortunately, although she was present at Moghilev, as Galuskin wrote, Empress Alexandra was unwell and didn’t attend the ceremonies. Therefore she doesn’t appear on any photos or film shot that day.  In his diary, Alexei indeed writes (my translation): « 4 October: This morning there was the Konvoi parade. Went to the moleben. For lunch, went to Mama on the train. »

 If I’m not mistaken, this photo shows 2 cherkesskas which belonged to Alexei and are now on display at the Alexander Palace (the khaki cherkesska he wore on October 4, 1916 is on the right – shoulder boards with silver braid & cartridges missing; red one on the left was his peace-time parade dress (epaulettes & cartrides missing) :

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/AlNcoats1.jpg)

The next day, an interesting event occured. October 5th was Alexei’s namesday and also the holiday of all Kuban & Terek Cossack Troops. As the Escort was composed of Kuban & Terek Cossacks, and Alexei being Ataman (Chief) of all Cossack Troops, celebrations were in order for a second day. The Imperial Family, the Escort and the hang-ranking officers from Headquarters went to Mogilev cathedral for a religious service where special prayers were sung for the health of the Heir. Then, as Nicholas II wrote in his diary, a lunch was served for 80 people. As usual, Alexei received a lot of congratulations and gifts, but on that day, as both he and his father recorded, a special gift was offered to him : a uniform kit from his own 1st Volgsky Terek Cossack Regiment, which his father had made him colonel-in-chief of a few months earlier (in his diary his father wrote they received « a deputation from the 1st Volgksy Regiment which presented Alexei with a blue cherkesska with arms »). Here is how Alexei described the day :

 « 5 October : Went to church. (…) After mass received congratulations. In the morning there was a delegation from the 1st Volgsky-Terek Cossack Troop. Wore their uniform which they brought me, and photos were taken with the group. Received a lot of telegrams and letters. At lunch were all the family and lots of guests. There was no outing. Played with toy soldiers. After supper went to the movies. Both the drama and the comedy were OK. At 8 PM went with Papa to see Mama on the train. Came back at 10 PM. »

Little did he know he had just described the last official celebration of his namesday (it was a holiday in Imperial Russia).

I don’t recall having seen any of the photos taken on that day but here is a photo of a blue cherkesska that was on display at the Alexander Palace. Could it be the one Alexei received?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/46f4f420503d.jpg)

Nena : I hope I have answered your questions.

Ausmanov : I will get back to you ASAP.
Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: nena on March 13, 2009, 10:08:20 AM
Sir, Daniel Briere, thank you so much for your patience and will you did! Well done. I learned many new things about him/his wearing. Of course you answered to my questions, and I am speechless - wow!

The one you posted of NII and Aleskei with Russian description, was taken IMO, during winter of 1915/6, in front of Governor's House art Mogilev.

Moleben at Mogilev, October 4th 1916:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/0175.jpg)

During war, sorry for size:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/alstavkamoghud1.jpg)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/th_0_f284_c0939fb4_L.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/?action=view&current=0_f284_c0939fb4_L.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/th_Gorz9a.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/?action=view&current=Gorz9a.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/th_0_f283_faeaac24_L.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/?action=view&current=0_f283_faeaac24_L.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Pisma%20i%20umetnost/Romanov%20knjige%20%20ikone%20figure%20ili%20njihove%20stvari/th_5tour_pic7.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Pisma%20i%20umetnost/Romanov%20knjige%20%20ikone%20figure%20ili%20njihove%20stvari/?action=view&current=5tour_pic7.jpg)


This photo was taken in late of 1915, when Aleksei recieved St. George medal, right?:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/th_Beztytu322u.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/?action=view&current=Beztytu322u.jpg)


Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: Daniel Briere on March 14, 2009, 10:44:23 AM
Nena : It’s hard to date my photo with Russian description as we can’t see if Nicholas II & Alexei are wearing their St. George’s Cross/Medal or not. Seems to me the photo wasn’t taken in front of the Governor’s House but rather in front of the adjacent GHQ building (former Governor’s Office & District Tribunal). A Tower can be barely be seen behind. Must be the Ratusha’s (Town Hall) on Governor’s Square

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/ratusha_1.jpg) 

from where this photo below was taken. Click on this one for larger size :

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/th_081915.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/?action=view&current=081915.jpg)

(From Russian Archives, « the Emperor reviewing the Konvoi, Mogilev, August 1915 » most probably August 23rd when Nicholas II arrived at Mogilev to take over as Commander-in-Chief) ; the GHQ was in the building on the left, the Govenor’s Mansion next to it (on top of photo).

As for your « Moleben at Mogilev » photo , it couldn’t have been taken on October 4th 1916 as no one is wearing a Cossack uniform (and there was no other ceremony on that day). Only thing I can say is that it was taken after October 25th, 1915 as Alexei’s Medal of St. George can be seen on his uniform, and the Order of St. George’s ribbon on Nicholas II’s greatcoat too.

Your last photo was indeed taken late in 1915, shortly after October 25 to publicize the fact that the Emperor and the Heir had just been decorated for their bravery having been in harm’s way during an inspection at the Front. It was published in newspapers and magazines all over Russia.

So here are good hints for dating Nicholas II & Alexei’s photos. According to rules, the Order of St. George was the only medal to be worn under all dress orders amd at all times, even at the Front. So if you see Nicholas II with his St. George’s Cross 4th class (or sometimes only its ribbon on his greatcoat) it means the photo was taken after October 25, 1915. Same with Alexei, who always proudly wore his medal of St. George, 4th class, similar to this one :

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/msgtA.jpg)

Now, an extra hint regarding Alexei : in May 1916, after returning to Stavka after his illness, his father promoted him to the rank of lance-corporal (efreitor). On some close-ups the insignia rank (one stripe of dark orange across the shoulder-straps (pogoni) can be seen quite clearly, as on this one (who knows maybe it was taken on the day he arrived at Mogilev? He was very happy to come back) :

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/sta1.jpg)

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Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: Daniel Briere on March 14, 2009, 10:49:50 AM
Thank you so much Daniel. (...) I had no idea that he was involved in so many regiments, I knew he was very fond of the military though. can you recommend a good place to find information on this subject or did you just pick up little piece's of information from all over. Where did you find those find those shoulder-boards? Ive got a small collection of my own but nothing like that.

Ausmanov : apart from the Russian Archives & Museums, the best place to find information on the Romanov is…a good university or public library! Unfortunately, there is no one single book you will find everything you want to know in. At least not in English, although I’ll send you a few suggestions later. An interesting book would be the biography of Alexei by Princess Eugenie of Greece published in 1990 but alas, it’s in French and to my knowledge hasn’t been translated in English (maybe I should do it!): Le Tsarévitch enfant martyr; avec son journal inédit (« The Martyred Child Tsarevich, with his never published Diary ») : quite interesting, especially for the diary Alexei wrote in 1918 while in Tobolsk, which she found in her late father’s papers (Prince George of Greece who saved Nicholas II’s life in Japan).

So yes, I picked up little pieces of information here and there. Did a lot of reading (history books, biographies, memoirs, etc.) and research. For instance, found some interesting stuff in old magazines and newspapers published in Pre-Revolutionary Russia and by Russian Emigrés after the Revolution. Thinking about it, with all the research material I have, maybe I should write a book!

Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: nena on March 14, 2009, 11:49:46 AM
Thank you for all corrcetions, Sir.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/sta1.jpg)

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Read it was taken on Mogilev Railway station in early 1916.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/thread/th_mogilevtrain1.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/thread/?action=view&current=mogilevtrain1.jpg)
Said to be same place.

Same day:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/Aleksej_Stavka/th_2dffe010.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/Aleksej_Stavka/?action=view&current=2dffe010.jpg)

Also seen photo taken by Bulla taken in 'May of 1916' -- NII, Aleksei and Aleksandra leaving the train after arriving to Stavka.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/Aleksej_Stavka/th_63153756.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/Aleksej_Stavka/?action=view&current=63153756.jpg)

How about this uniform and date of taking photo?:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/Aleksej_Stavka/th_3cac3dfc.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/Aleksej_Stavka/?action=view&current=3cac3dfc.jpg)
Same day as previous?:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/th________II_______.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/?action=view&current=_______II_______.jpg)

Regular uniform, or?:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/Aleksej_Stavka/th_6eabb2f7.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/Aleksej_Stavka/?action=view&current=6eabb2f7.jpg)

Isn't this Governor's House at Mogilev:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/thread/th_domStavka.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/thread/?action=view&current=domStavka.jpg)

Sorry if I make you bore. But your posts are excellent  8)!

Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: nena on March 19, 2009, 09:45:52 AM
Found this:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/istoriya_interesnofoto_voynyi_1_1_1.jpg)

1915 -- 8th Grenaderskiii Moscow's Regiment review.

Title: Re: What uniform is this?
Post by: Daniel Briere on March 19, 2009, 10:22:38 PM
Hi Nena,

You don't bore me at all. You are doing an excellent job and everything you post is very interesting. As I' ll be spending the next few weeks on a special project I won't be able to post. Will be back with my input ASAP. Meanwhile if you're interested in the Cossack Escort, I found that Galushlin's book is online (with photos at the end):
http://regiment.ru/Lib/A/5/1.htm

Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: Olga Maria on March 23, 2009, 08:10:06 PM
Sailor suit (http://livadia.ircha.net/images/photoalbum/livadia/big/bv_Ni357663.jpg)
Aleksei's uniform that had been showed before (http://livadia.ircha.net/images/photoalbum/livadia/big/bv_Ni357662.jpg)

Sorry for reposting.
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: nena on March 24, 2009, 09:55:29 AM
IMO, these are not Aleksei's uniforms, IMO, they are too large for him, and design of uniforms don't match with Aleksei's ones.
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on March 24, 2009, 11:19:18 AM
Attention "nena":   Regarding the pictures in Repy #10, you are correct.  In NO way are those uniforms of the Heir.  The first (not labeled as the Heir's uniform) is a sea-going uniform that appears to be US (?) Navy (from patch on arm) and the second uniform (labeled as the Heir's) is a Soviet uniform (note the Red Star on the cap, the buckle with the star, etc.).  I've no idea why they are presumed to be associated with the Heir. (Perhaps the poster could explain her reasoning on these?)  I have personally seen original clothing of the Heir taken from his wardrobes at the Alexander Palace and his size is indeed rather small.   (Additionally see my posting #6 of Nov. 7, 2007, on this thread.)    Best regards,   AP
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: Olga Maria on March 25, 2009, 04:07:19 AM
I'm sorry if I misidentified the uniforms as Alexei's. I  got it from a website featuring some photos of Livadia and I thought those uniforms could be his. Thanks for telling me, too.
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: Ally Kumari on March 25, 2009, 10:03:29 AM
His Majesty´s 1st Urals squadron

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Alexei%20Nikolaevitch/alexeihismajestysfirsturalssquadron.jpg)

14th Grenadier Georgian regiment
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Alexei%20Nikolaevitch/alexei14thGrenadierGeorgianRegiment.jpg)
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: nena on March 25, 2009, 10:48:11 AM
Said to be Aleskei's wartime uniform (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Pisma%20i%20umetnost/Romanov%20knjige%20%20ikone%20figure%20ili%20njihove%20stvari/541553691TpPSPy_fs.jpg).
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: CorisCapnSkip on May 14, 2009, 05:10:07 AM
So many of them look so much alike!  It's hard to tell if this image has been colorized correctly or not:

(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/AR-018.jpg)

Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on May 14, 2009, 10:23:31 AM
Re Reply #47:  "It's hard to tell if this image has been colorized correctly or not."     EXACTLY!!!   This is my chief complaint re the tiresome and multitudinous  attempts  of mainly the starry-eyed youngsters who rush to proudly show their latest colorings to the adulation of like others (some VERY professionally done and others who can barely "stay within the lines").  While much discussion is engendered as to the "EXACT" color of the hair and eyes,  it certainly appears to me that most DO NOT RESEARCH the colors of the breast stars, ribbands of the same, (colors that are KNOWN to be correct from surviving examples), etc.  thus inventing imaginary order colors, uniform colors, etc. that are NOT accurate for the sake of a "pretty" picture.       AP
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: CorisCapnSkip on May 15, 2009, 04:36:34 AM
Doubt the lavender-colored collar as well.
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on May 15, 2009, 10:39:44 AM
Indeed!  Probably to harmonize with the flowers !!!!!  (But then can we be certain of THEIR colors?  Probably based on the Empress's known preference for mauve/lavender colors. The words "artistic license " come to mind, which can cleverly cover a variety of ills.)  AP
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: Douglas on June 07, 2009, 02:56:58 PM
Tally cap [inside]:


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Douglas606/13579h2.jpg)

Tally cap [back]:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Douglas606/tallycap.jpg)
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: Douglas on June 07, 2009, 03:00:31 PM
Typical boys sailor suit of the era:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Douglas606/cat27-u10.jpg)
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: Daniel Briere on June 08, 2009, 08:07:42 PM
Doubt the lavender-colored collar as well.

Actually, this one isn’t too far from the real thing : uniform should be a little more greenish but overall it’s one of the better colorized pics I’ve seen. The « lavender » colour had nothing to do with Empress : it was the traditional raspberry («malinovyi») colour used by Rifle regiments and the Ural Cosssacks (see photo of Alexei’s uniform of the 1st His Majesty’s Ural Cossack Sotnia posted by Grand Duchess Ally). The colorized photo shows the Tsarevich in the uniform of the 4th Guards' « Imperial Family » Rifle Regiment which had a unique pattern of uniform with a tunic based on the old Russian half-kaftan, worn on a raspberry satin shirt, and baggy trousers. The astrakhan lined cap was based on the Polish « konfederatka ».

Here is a photo showing shoulder boards from the 1st « His Majesty’s » Guards' Rifle Regiment on a correct shade of Guard’s pattern « Tsar’s green » colour (teale green) in use since 1908.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/Riflesshoulderboards.jpg)
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: Daniel Briere on June 10, 2009, 11:28:47 PM
Found this old colorized PC:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/PCNicholasII_ChildrenColor1912a.jpg)
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: Lucien on July 20, 2009, 06:05:22 AM
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/th_AlNLifeGuard1stUrals.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/AlNLifeGuard1stUrals.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/th_AlNLifeGuardsChassuers.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/AlNLifeGuardsChassuers.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/th_AlNKonvoi-1.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/AlNKonvoi-1.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/th_AlNcoats.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/AlNcoats.jpg)


These uniforms are now at the exhibition in the Hermitage Amsterdam,very moving indeed Dmitry.
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: Dust_of_History on March 07, 2010, 09:04:10 AM
I know this is an old thread but I found a uniform case that belonged to Alexei.

(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/2084/scannen0006u.jpg)
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: Gorseheart on July 13, 2010, 03:27:30 PM
Does this look like the Tsarevich's hat? It's for sale on Ebay with a very reasonable price of$89.00.
(http://www.russianarsenal.com/images/s_08152006_093214-P7160071.JPG)
 
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: Lady Nikolaievna on July 23, 2010, 09:57:58 PM
Epaulettes, hat, & boots:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/th_AlNepaulettesmaybe.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/AlNepaulettesmaybe.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/th_AlNhat.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/AlNhat.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/th_AlNepaulettes.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/AlNepaulettes.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/th_AlNBoots.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/AlNBoots.jpg)


Is it "Standart" that is written in his hat?
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: Belochka on July 24, 2010, 01:05:47 AM
Epaulettes, hat, & boots:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/th_AlNhat.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/AlNhat.jpg)

Is it "Standart" that is written in his hat?

Yes it is.
Title: Re: The uniforms of Alexis
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 28, 2011, 01:09:05 AM
where are those photos of Alexei's uniforms from? looks like a Russian book but cant make it out. any help will be most helpful, thank you :)