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I agree with Admin. Forum.

"...accept it or not for what it is."


AGRBear
  

Right. What it is is A  bit of information that is just a rumor, or  personal opinion,  that can't be accepted or promoted as a historical fact.






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News Links / Re: Poll shows Russians want communism back
« on: March 05, 2005, 09:27:05 PM »
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You know, my earliest encounter with Russians involved two foreign exchange students who came to my hometown for the Summer.

I decided to take them on a tour of my hometown (with mom in tow!) and we stopped at a local grocery store. Picking up drinks down one of the aisles I turned to ask them a question and, to my shock, they were gone!

Well, about 5 minutes later I found them standing my the front doors cryng. I went up to them and ask them what was wrong, and they replied that they had never seen so much food in one place their whole lives.

I've talked to other people who have had similar encounters with Russians in the US, but the experience has left a mark on me.  


Forgot to add: it really made me appreciate how well we have it here.

And I still do :)

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Somewhat Norma Desmondish sounding...that is sad bear... I for one will NEVER forget what I think is the funniest of all of the old Andy Griffith shows....The one where Aunt Bee made homemade pickles, they called them kerosene cucumbers...I laughed so hard I thought I was going to wet my pants, it was somewhat like the WKRP episode where they dropped live turkeys from the helicopter....  

  


I remember that! That episode was hysterical!

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News Links / Re: Poll shows Russians want communism back
« on: March 05, 2005, 09:21:15 PM »
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We just spoke with a close family friend in Vladivostok today.  He is 51, a devoted family man and has worked hard all his life. He's a tough guy, but today he was near tears when he described just how awful life has become, and the fears expressed for the already retired generation and the one soon to retire.

My husband commented afterwards how the fears and deprivations are so widespread.  We've got family and friends all around Russia and Ukraine.  And we all hear basically the same story.  While ours is of course a small sampling, it is interesting to hear the same thing from so many we know, and who in many cases do not know one another, yet they all have the same story to tell.

Interestingly, to an individual (in our own case, friends and family in Russia ranging from college students to 82 years of age), all despise Putin.  Yet we hear in the media (from several countries, including the US) that he is popular.

I must say that I was struck by the cartoon in last week's New York Times. The one of Bush standing at a podium next to Putin, saying:  "I looked into Putin's eyes..."  "and saw..."  (the next frame shows Putin transformed into a glowering, towering Stalin)..."his soul."


You know, my earliest encounter with Russians involved two foreign exchange students who came to my hometown for the Summer.

I decided to take them on a tour of my hometown and we stopped at a local grocery store. Picking up drinks down one of the aisles I turned to ask them a question and, to my shock, they were gone!

Well, about 5 minutes later I found them standing my the front doors cryng. I went up to them and ask them what was wrong, and they replied that they had never seen so much food in one place their whole lives.

I've talked to other people who have had similar encounters with Russians in the US, but the experience has left a mark on me.  

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Greenday, for me it is an issue of too many unanswered
questions, that is all.  I know and accept the fact that AA was not AN.  I just am not totally convinced that AA was FS.   I for one don't believe that the Bolshevik firing squads could have been that poor of shots.  

As long as that doubt lingers in my mind, I am interested in the story, for no other reason than that.
If you follow the threads at all some of us are just interested in the many differences between AA=FS, we may never have enough answers or the right answers to our questions, but the material is fascinating, and I for one am getting a more open, honest look at history, one not covered in the "legend" of AA, which I find to mislead many of us, give us preconceived notions of the case.    

No matter how you look at it, it is a fascinating story.


These responses have all been great.

Also thank you for helping me to understand the other thread better Michael G. I wasn't trying to defend anyone on that particular thread.

It seems I was just  getting it confused with the "clutching at straws thread"

Sorry ???

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News Links / Re: Poll shows Russians want communism back
« on: March 05, 2005, 09:11:54 PM »
That's very interesting. It helps one appreciate the U.S> more. I think it's a shame that so many people always seem to have to fall victime to "progress"

I wonder too how much of the Russian economy is controlled by the mafia. I'll have to research this online.

Thanks for posting this Dashkova.

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News Links / Re: Poll shows Russians want communism back
« on: March 05, 2005, 09:06:49 PM »
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You are on the ignore list because I do not wish to receive any sort of IM's from you.

I do hope your post with my IM is not deleted!  What a fabulous way to get one's point across without being responsible for posting it!

Thank you for that. What a good little troll you are this evening.


So, I am on the ignore list and you DIDN'T get my reply? I'm confused. You know what such statements are normally called right? If I'm wrong, please explain.

You're welcome! You really don't expect me to care one way or the other whether the post is deleted or not? Now that really shows ego!

Seriously though, as a human being I do feel sorry for you. What does  that say about you that you have to attack people that you don't even know? What was your childhood trauma? ???

I'm Jewish and I'm not sure what religion you are so it's best not to "pray for you" as some people might say. However, I do, again, send my sympathy to you.  

Greenday



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News Links / Re: Poll shows Russians want communism back
« on: March 05, 2005, 08:47:40 PM »
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LOL...Greenday, you are right, you do not know how this forum works.

Here's another faux pas of yours:  IM's from or to others are not to be posted in the discussion threads.  I know this because I once did this myself and was very much reprimanded.

Secondly, profanity is not allowed to be posted on discussion threads.  And even though it was extremely heartfelt on my part, I'm afraid it was *you* who posted my profane greeting!

If you delete now, your disregard for the rules might go unnoticed.  And of course I *did* receive your reply, but as you can well imagine, I really do not care about anything you have to say about me -- or anything else, so you have wasted your time! (Didn't you say I could not be reached?  Why do you continue to try?)

A permanant Do'svydanya to you! (There is a word for a permanent goodbye in Russian, but you wouldn't understand).


Wow! You really aren't a woman of your word! Scroll up earlier and see where you wrote about all future posts directed at you being ignored... ;)

Thanks for the help in understanding the forum rules! I do appreciate you taking the time. I think enough people have seen it, and it will probably be circulating among pms for quite sometime to come. The person who runs this site should feel free to delete.  

If you did receive my reply, then what's the point of an ignore list? I just checked and it's still on.

But thanks for telling everyone you got the message :)



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News Links / Re: Poll shows Russians want communism back
« on: March 05, 2005, 08:38:12 PM »
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Not 2 sure how this forum works, but the poster "Dashkova" send me a PM but put me on her "ignore" list (what is that and how to I work it?) before I could make 1 response ???

So, if anyone would like to foreward this to her (it includes her original PM) feel free:


quote]How's your ulcerative colitis these days?

Bet it keeps you busy as ever.


Since you are obviously confused about posts and who they are directed to, here's an example of DIRECT:

F--K YOU."Dashkova"

Nice to see you are a woman of your word!  8)

You have an impressive vocabulary, I'll admit, but not much of the grey stuff do you? Deep down you know that, don't you? And that probably makes you very insecure :-[.......

You really can't be to happy of a person to behave the way you do :'(  

 So.... I really feel sorry for you. You may not like having my sympathy as it makes you uncomfortable inside, but you'll just have to get used to it, won't you?  :)

Again, I thank you for the laugh yesterday (plus the one I discovered today) and I send you my best wishes! :)

Greenday
 


Question though: is it OK to post PMs like this? If not let me know and I'll be happy to make it vanish! I'm sure someone here will be kind enough to paste it and foreward it to her.

BTW, great site!

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News Links / Re: Poll shows Russians want communism back
« on: March 05, 2005, 08:28:32 PM »
Not 2 sure how this forum works, but the poster "Dashkova" send me a PM but put me on her "ignore" list (what is that and how to I work it?) before I could make 1 response ???

So, if anyone would like to foreward this to her (it includes her original PM) feel free:


quote]How's your ulcerative colitis these days?

Bet it keeps you busy as ever.


Since you are obviously confused about posts and who they are directed to, here's an example of DIRECT:

F--K YOU.[/quote]

"Dashkova"

Nice to see you are a woman of your word!  8)

You have an impressive vocabulary, I'll admit, but not much of the grey stuff do you? Deep down you know that, don't you? And that probably makes you very insecure :-[.......

You really can't be to happy of a person to behave the way you do :'(  

So.... I really feel sorry for you. You may not like having my sympathy as it makes you uncomfortable inside, but you'll just have to get used to it, won't you?  :)

Again, I thank you for the laugh yesterday (plus the one I discovered today) and I send you my best wishes! :)

Greenday

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News Links / Re: Poll shows Russians want communism back
« on: March 04, 2005, 09:13:37 PM »
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You have proven only your stupidity.

You are backpedaling, which might be interesting to discuss with someone better armed.  

You are not worth the bother.  

Further posts directed to me will be ignored.



I don't quite remember my first post being directed at you..... but does your superior mind see something that I don't?

"Further posts directed to me will be ignored"? I hope you aren't expecting me to lose any sleep over this? ;)

I do thank you Dashkova for giving me a good laugh this evening.  And, from one superior mind to another, I send you my best wishes!  

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News Links / Re: Poll shows Russians want communism back
« on: March 04, 2005, 08:55:31 PM »

LOL...I understand a great deal more than you would even imagine.  ;)

I'd have a hard time believing that.

Hmmm, let's see, my *second* what did you call it, "paragraph"?

Sentence, paragraph..blah,blah...But, this is just it. You jump unto things that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. And, calling a sentence a paragraph has nothing to do with the topic, does it?

Ok, the fact of the matter is, Gorbachev *did* study economics in his youth, and then he later *did* contribute in major ways to the downfall of the Soviet Union's economy (not that it was all that healthy, but he decidedly pushed it into it's grave).

Did I deny this?

Humor in these facts?  Where?

Well, that would depend on how much one loved the Soviet Union and all it stood for, wouldn't it?  ;D

Would you care for some extremely specific examples of how Gorbachev accomplished said downfall?

Um, perhaps you missed the earlier part of your posting....which I will re-post for you:

...............
Ok, the fact of the matter is, Gorbachev *did* study economics in his youth, and then he later *did* contribute in major ways to the downfall of the Soviet Union's economy (not that it was all that healthy, but he decidedly pushed it into it's grave
...................

So, you don't have any examples? Whatever... ::)

There actually is quite a bit of literature on the subject. If you like, feel free to PM me and I'll look up some titles for you...




You stated that my arguments are "ALWAYS inconsistent."  Based on your superior knowledge, of...um...what exactly?

Going back to your earlier post

LOL...I understand a great deal more than you would even imagine.  ;)

I guess that would make two superior minds on this board, wouldn't it?  


That is rather an outlandish claim.  Why should I or anyone else believe you?  Can you prove it? If so, have at it (I've got more than 900 posts here, -- and you *did* specify ALL -- so you better get started, or maybe you aren't into backing up what you say).


Yes, I could. But *deep sigh* ::) but if no one has been able to reach you by now I doubt anyone ever will! ;)



 

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News Links / Re: Poll shows Russians want communism back
« on: March 04, 2005, 08:12:46 PM »
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Hello
Thats fine GreenDay --after all it all comes down to a matter of opinion.

rskkiya


Very true!

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News Links / Re: Poll shows Russians want communism back
« on: March 04, 2005, 08:03:15 PM »
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    I feel that communism/socialism can work very well but only under limited circumstances --in the small scale and with a well educated public.  
     Besides simply because it wasn't a perfect fit in the Soviet Union (Russia) that ought not suggest that it could never work at all!


Nice to meet you rskkiya

But I'm afraid I have to disagree with you here.

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News Links / Re: Poll shows Russians want communism back
« on: March 04, 2005, 07:57:08 PM »
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Hmmm...invite Gorbachev to a discussion about economics?  I guess you don't know much about the subject either!
(He -- MG --  oddly enough has a background in economics but failed miserably at running his country's economy. MISERABLY.)


You do try to push peoples' buttons and try to make everything personal! I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt, but do you understand anything people write on this forum?
Not to be rude, but your arguments are always so inconsistent. You do see how your second paragraph proved my point?

Leaving all moral arguments aside about which economic system is better,(which I won't even bring up here)  Soviet economics simply failed to capitalism.

Or perhaps you just fail to grasp humor?

Do you have a background in economics? Given your posts I would have a hard time believing it. But, if I'm wrong correct me...


Which I'm sure you'll try to do!    

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