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The Hohenzollern / Re: Imperial Yacht - "Hohenzollern"
« on: December 13, 2016, 01:13:33 PM »
Thanks for all the information. Such an exiting time for them, meeting Wilhelm II, dancing with all those gentlemen and just fun being young.

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The Hohenzollern / Re: Imperial Yacht - "Hohenzollern"
« on: December 12, 2016, 04:15:52 PM »
That was interesting and I enjoyed the candid photos and film. At the risk of sounding ignorant (since I cannot understand what they are saying!) they got to travel with the Kaiser on the Hohenzollern?  Are those older ladies two of the same young girls in the photos?

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The Hohenzollern / Re: NEW LETTERS about Wilhelm II and Ella
« on: October 10, 2016, 02:08:51 PM »
It's hard to say, with all the clothes she has on.
Are there any more excerpts you are able to share?

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The Hohenzollern / Re: NEW LETTERS about Wilhelm II and Ella
« on: October 04, 2016, 05:01:04 PM »
I have never seen that picture of Ella. Almost thought it was Alix for a moment. The boy looks like one of Willy and Dona's sons, though I am not sure what year this picture was taken.

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The Hohenzollern / Re: NEW LETTERS about Wilhelm II and Ella
« on: October 03, 2016, 09:46:44 PM »
You're right, I don't think we have heard from Ella much on the subject  in letters..yet anyway!. Everyone assumes she did not return his feelings, but I don't think he would have proposed marriage to her if   nothing  was ever there.
In the film, do you mean the lady Willy appears to be leaning down to talk too? Hard to tell, and I don't understand the language(narration). I have the book Young Wilhelm by John Rohl, and looked at that page. Interesting.

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The Hohenzollern / Re: NEW LETTERS about Wilhelm II and Ella
« on: October 03, 2016, 09:01:08 AM »
 Wow! Anything is possible.  First,can it be proven these letters are really written by Queen Victoria? I do recall that during the time Alice's family was sick, that Ella was sent away as she was the only one who did not catch it. I think Ernst was too but he came down with it an came back home.. Perhaps Ella was already away...even before the sickness..
I think there was more to the Willy/Ella relationship that most authors and royal fans like to believe. They think it was always one sided on Willy's part, but I think that wasn't the case.We only see some letters, and parts of letters. There is so much we do not know about. I am assuming because of Ella being so young they did not allow the marriage,(not just the hemophilia) and just the shock of an out of wedlock pregnancy and having to hide it. This could be part  of all the mixed feelings about Willy from his family.
If she did give birth, what happened to the baby (babies)? Did they die, were they taken away and adopted out?  Sad as Ella never did (as far as we know) have any more children.
I am one of the  very few sympathetic to Willy throughout his life,(don't agree with everything but much of the negativity  is overblown)  Most of the letters we see   are edited,many are missing, and one does now know every detail behind opinions and feelings.There is always more to the story and we were not there.
What I am getting at, is this (if it really even happened) could be  one of the reasons behind all the negativity towards Williy from Ella herself, sister Alix and many in the family.Perhaps this is when Willy proposed to her and was rejected. He seemed to have never forgotten his first love, and if a pregnancy happened  it could have been one of the many things that led to how his personality was , having to deal with it and hide it and try to forget.
They were just human beings. Wasn't a good thing to happen, if it did of course.
If it is true, it sure was hidden very well all these years, or just not paid attention to .
This is all very interesting to ponder.

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The Hohenzollern / Re: NEW LETTERS about Wilhelm II and Ella
« on: October 01, 2016, 07:18:52 PM »
Interesting. What did Willy do? Is this about him asking Ella to marry him, or something else? Hope to see more of the letters.

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The Hohenzollern / Re: Books on the Hohenzollerns
« on: September 20, 2016, 04:52:44 PM »
How does one find Wilhelm's book "Memories of Corfu"? written in 1924? I see it mentioned in several books but it does not exist anywhere online. Is it under another name, or  only a few copies published? I found My Early Life and his Memoirs easily, but his book on Corfu is impossible to find so far, at least under that name.

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The Hohenzollern / Re: Kaiserin Augusta Viktoria (Dona)
« on: September 10, 2016, 10:48:51 PM »
In the many many pictures I have seen in books and online,I have never seen a picture of Willie and Dona's children with grandmother Vicky( I know about the strained relationship but wonder if  a picture was ever taken) or even Fritz when he was alive. Also I have never seen a picture of the children with Queen Victoria.

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The Hohenzollern / Re: Books on the Hohenzollerns
« on: September 10, 2016, 10:53:33 AM »
Thanks! Is there an English version by any chance? I will start looking...

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The Hohenzollern / Re: Books on the Hohenzollerns
« on: September 09, 2016, 08:56:25 PM »
I read on another board about a book called something like "Forty Years In Service of The Kaiserin" by Countess Keller, but I can't find that book anywhere online. Only mentions of it.  Anyone ever hear of it?Does it go by a different name? I have the 3 volume "Private Lives of Kaiser Wilhelm and His Consort" from 1909, it is not that book is it? I'm thinking it is  a different book but having no luck in my search.

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The Hohenzollern / Re: Books on the Hohenzollerns
« on: July 25, 2016, 03:29:13 PM »
Does anyone know if this book is a photo book or not?
Just came out in May.

"Kaiser Wilhelm II. und seine Zeit"

https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/3795431042/ref=pe_2444441_142536691_em_ti

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The Hohenzollern / Re: Books on the Hohenzollerns
« on: June 25, 2016, 02:01:00 PM »
Any chance
Wilhelm II. und seine Geschwister
by Barbara Beck  will be published in English?
I wish more of these books were available in English!

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