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The Stuarts of Scotland / Re: Isabel Macduff, Countess of Buchan
« on: November 04, 2009, 12:50:14 AM »
Hi Ish Lane,

I looked at all the books I could find on Robert the Bruce in the Mitchell Library in Glasgow - that was all I could come up with! I'm not in Glasgow any more, otherwise I would go and look it up for you!

The convent seems to be the most likely option (as this is what happened to the other Bruce ladies), but there doesn't seem to be a record of her fate.

Are you a fan of the countess?

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French Royals / Re: Books on French Royals
« on: December 23, 2007, 05:01:22 AM »
Hi Greenowl!

I loved the books as well! I also loved the original French series which was televised in the early Seventies. Haven't seen the new film...

If I remember rightly, in the Druon version Mahaut didn't  succeed in murdering the infant Jean I - he had been substituted for the son of his wet nurse, and appears in later books as a grown up. It is the wet nurse's son who is poisoned by the countess at the christening when she puts her finger dipped in poison in her mouth! :)

A lot of events (like the above) are pure speculation. Druon also has Robert of Artois responsible for the poisoning of Mahaut and her daughter much later on. However it is well researched speculation, so it is an plausible embellishment of historical facts. Maurice Druon is, I believe, still alive and is the sometimes controversial head of the Academie Francaise. It's certainly likely that Mahaut would be keen to have her son in law on the throne, as this helped her shortly afterward in the second of the three court cases in which she successfully defended her claim to Artois.

Interestingly her claim to Artois (where a daughter has precedence over a deceased son's children) was quite the opposite of the male line succession which was behind Philippe V and Philippe VI's claims. It was ironically more like Edward III's female line claim to the throne of France, which was supported by Mahaut's nephew and enemy, Robert of Artois. As she was the only woman on the council of peers of the realm, representing both the County of Burgundy and Artois, she would have been pretty tough, I imagine.

It is probable that Nogaret died in 1313 (though dates in the fourteenth century are notoriously unreliable), which makes casts doubt on Druon's account in "The Iron King", where Nogaret is summoned by the Grand Templar at the stake to appear with the King and the Pope before the throne of God within a year.

We had good fun on the Tudor forum discussing the question of whether Queen Isabella was responsible for the downfall of her sisters in law (also in "The Iron King").

Which of the books did you like best?

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The Stuarts of Scotland / Re: Peter the Great and William III
« on: November 22, 2007, 12:28:24 AM »
 "Hit it off" was maybe an exaggeration then.  :)

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The Stuarts of Scotland / Re: Peter the Great and William III
« on: November 06, 2007, 05:57:21 PM »
Umigon is right. Anne's dearest wish in her last months was to make her brother her heir. It didn't work out because Louis XIV was still alive so that James seemed to be the French king's puppet. If Anne had lived a year longer (when James was no longer in favour at the French court), it would have been no problem. Unfortunately Anne was very obese and had a heart problem. The stress of arguing about the succession sent her to an early grave on August 1 1714.

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The Stuarts of Scotland / Re: Peter the Great and William III
« on: October 31, 2007, 07:01:08 PM »
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Anne would have "hated" the fact that Peter the Great went to France 20 years later and went to see Madame de Maintenon and Queen Mary of Modena.
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Although this was not the main purpose of Peter's visit to France, I don't see why Anne would have "hated" the respect paid to her brother and step mother( in 1717). She had every intention of making James her heir, and it was only the circumstances of her early death which made this impossible.


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Actually her brother Ernie in his memoirs describes her as a bit of a busybody. I was amazed when I read this, as Irene was still alive at the time. I expect he intended it as a light hearted criticism, however. So I agree with Eric on this.

I believe his memoirs weren't published until the early 80's, so Irene may not have been aware that he had even written them.


They were püblished in german in the early 1930s - and were in fact originally written for his sons!

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Actually her brother Ernie in his memoirs describes her as a bit of a busybody. I was amazed when I read this, as Irene was still alive at the time. I expect he intended it as a light hearted criticism, however. So I agree with Eric on this.

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French Royals / Re: The children of Henri II and Catherine de Medici
« on: October 27, 2007, 07:51:47 AM »
Hi Vasaborg!

You are referring to Francois Hercule, Catherine's youngest son, and the intermittent suitor of Elizabeth of England. Unlike his brother Charles, he had no children, but like him, he died of tuberculosis.

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French Royals / Re: The children of Henri II and Catherine de Medici
« on: October 02, 2007, 06:59:53 PM »
I think there was just Charles, Duc d'Angouleme (1573- 1650), his son by Marie Touchet, who lived into the reign of Louis XIV!

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There's a new book out about Jane Boleyn - it's called " that Rochford woman" or something like that. It's very pro Jane -early example of a woman making her own way but coming up against the "glass ceiling"!!

Anyone else seen it?

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The Stuarts of Scotland / Re: Margaret, Countess of Lennox,
« on: September 25, 2007, 06:12:49 PM »
Why not?

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The Stuarts of Scotland / Re: Margaret, Countess of Lennox,
« on: September 21, 2007, 06:28:24 PM »
But it was a good idea - if you had an idiot elder son, you could disinherit him in favour of the second son for example!

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The Stuarts of Scotland / Re: Margaret, Countess of Lennox,
« on: September 20, 2007, 02:57:09 PM »
I t certainly introduced an element of meritocracy into the system! :)

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The Stuarts of Scotland / Re: Margaret, Countess of Lennox,
« on: September 19, 2007, 05:07:17 PM »
I read an interesting letter in the Times this week about this very subject. Until 1707 there was a law in Scotland that allowed a nobleman to disinherit his successor. It was calle "Renunciation and Regrant" if I remember correctly. The nobleman would renounce his title and it would be regranted by the monarch with the condition that it would be inherited by the preferred heir. I wonder if this was the device used by the Earl of Angus to disinherit his daughter.

It could go wrong however - sometimes the monarch saw fit to regrant the title with inheritance rights to his own preferred candidate.

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and remember that we are talking about the Duke's step mother, Katherine's step-grandmother, here, so they weren't particularly close!

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