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Olga Nicholaievna / Re: Olga's Letters
« on: October 06, 2014, 01:00:07 PM »
Was the Princess Barbara Dolgorouky whose unpublished memoirs are mentioned the daughter of Princess Olga Petrovna Dolgoruky (nee Countess Shouvalova) who left Russia in April 1919 in the retinue of the Dowager Empress and died at Versaillies in (I think) 1927 ?

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The Imperial Family / Re: Imperial Family Jewels
« on: January 27, 2014, 11:12:58 AM »
Yes, shes wearing that beautiful ruby + diamond tiara

Here another of the same photoshoot , courtesy of the greek archives



No she is not wearing her mothers tiara.She is wearing a slightly different one that was a wedding present from her father in law and was lost in the revolution. Grand Duke Michael Nickolaevitch also gave her a pearl necklace with a monumental sapphire set in diamonds on her marriage.That too was lost.

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As for your reason in acquiring more reading material being to find any documentation of the "tidbits" you have been reading here, I can assure you that you will not find any. Since this is the first time many of them might appear in print, you may consider this forum an original source.



If we speak about the sources in English, well, documentation is poor I agree. But what about such sources as correspondence, in Russian? The source of my 'tidbits' on Olga and Xenia's life in 1919-1940 years are their letters to Princess Alexandra Obolenskaya (nee Countess Apraksina), long-time friend of Empress Maria Fedorovna and Xenia itself. There is a recent publication, in Russian, of this correspondence:

http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/24737492/

and a pdf version

http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/24705089/

the book is unigue, there are many letters of Xenia ( who was closer to Princess even more then the Empress and Olga) and not so much of Olga and MF.


I know Princess Obolenskaya was a childless widow when she left Russia in the Dowager Empresses suite. Although this is not the subject of this thread...as I cannot read Russian...what became of her? Did she remain with the Dowager like Countess Mengden then go to Paris? I would be grateful for information..

She settled in Paris and remained there till her death in 1940. She tried to earn living by needle work, embroidery and sewing as well as selling her objects de arts (to Queen Mary of England via GDss Xenia).
Thankyou.
It would be fascinating to know what that collector extraordinaire Queen Mary bought from her...but thats not relevant on this thread..

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I only found bare bones:

Wladimir Pr Obolensky-Neledinsky-Meletzky (Moscow 31 Mar 1847-Yalta 7 Nov 1891); m.3 Feb 1880 Css Alexandra Alexandrovna Apraxine (St.Petersburg 23 Apr 1852-Paris 3 Jan 1943)

I didn't find any mention of her in the book Former People either. She *was* mentioned briefly in The Russian Court at Sea as she was picked up in the Crimea on the Marlborough and accompanied the Dowager Empress from there. (She was called Aprak by some.). After the Dowager Empress's death, it appears she ended up, like many a Russian exile, in Paris.
Thankyou...I had the same data myself.

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As for your reason in acquiring more reading material being to find any documentation of the "tidbits" you have been reading here, I can assure you that you will not find any. Since this is the first time many of them might appear in print, you may consider this forum an original source.



If we speak about the sources in English, well, documentation is poor I agree. But what about such sources as correspondence, in Russian? The source of my 'tidbits' on Olga and Xenia's life in 1919-1940 years are their letters to Princess Alexandra Obolenskaya (nee Countess Apraksina), long-time friend of Empress Maria Fedorovna and Xenia itself. There is a recent publication, in Russian, of this correspondence:

http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/24737492/

and a pdf version

http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/24705089/

the book is unigue, there are many letters of Xenia ( who was closer to Princess even more then the Empress and Olga) and not so much of Olga and MF.


I know Princess Obolenskaya was a childless widow when she left Russia in the Dowager Empresses suite. Although this is not the subject of this thread...as I cannot read Russian...what became of her? Did she remain with the Dowager like Countess Mengden then go to Paris? I would be grateful for information..

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The Imperial Family / Re: Imperial Family Jewels
« on: January 21, 2014, 01:37:35 PM »
Minny got some nice pieces. I wonder if she got them out when she left Russia ?
Minnie when leaving for England in 1914 did not take the bulk of her jewels and they were thus lost in the revolution.

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Buturlin Family
« on: December 22, 2013, 07:30:11 AM »
Lt General Nikolai Nikolaievitch Buturlin died 1894 was the husband of Olga Mikhailovna (3/101843-16/9/1908).Mme B was one of the 4 Pashkov sisters, daughters of Lt-General Mikhail Vasilevich Pashkov (died 1863) and his wife Maria Trofimovna nee Baranov (died 1887)
Mme B was directress of the Pavlovski Institute for young girls.
One of her sisters Marie (1836-1910)  was the wife of HSH General PrinceVladimir Dimitrievitch Galitzine & the penultimate mistress of the robes to the Empress Alexandra.

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Thanks. Too bad I cannot read the three books in German

Learning a language usually goes rather quickly if one is learning it for a specific end, especially if it's an enjoyable interest, like royalty. Perhaps getting a passive understanding of written German is no harder than writing 17.000 APF posts bemoaning the lack of English-language information about German royals?
LOL

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The Hohenzollern / Re: Mecklenburg-Schwerin
« on: August 08, 2013, 01:09:01 PM »
Duchess Anastasia von Mecklenburg-Schwerin with her husband Duke Friedrich Ferdinand von Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg wearing the tiara that Grand Duchess Alexandra wore:




A great find...as Alexandra MS was not resplendent with gems after WW2 and her daughter in law Barbara only seems to have worn jewels inherited from her own grandmother this makes one think that the bulk of the MS gems were left in Ludwiglust/Schwerin when the family fled ahead of the Soviet but Anastasia being already married and living in West Germany had received the aquamarine tiara (which was reputedly her fathers wedding gift to her mother and from Faberge) on her marriage.

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The Hohenzollern / Re: The Hesse-Cassel family
« on: July 07, 2013, 06:36:58 AM »
You did not only say dress...you said dress and trousseau

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The Hohenzollern / Re: The Hesse-Cassel family
« on: July 06, 2013, 12:42:11 PM »
She looked beautiful in that dress. I read the Empress Frederick helped arranged her dress and trousseau.
Isn't that something a mother always does

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The Windsors / Re: George and Marina, Duke and Duchess of Kent, Part 2
« on: April 08, 2013, 02:31:01 PM »
That was a private visit. Count Alfred Potocki of Łańcut - one of the wealthiest man in prewar Poland  - send a private invitation to Their Majesties King George VI and Queen Elizabeth, but they were too busy, so Duke and Duchess of Kent came to Poland instead of the royal couple. Besides Łańcut and Kraków, they also visited Katowice, where lived Zofia Poklewska Koziełł - a friend of the Duchess, which she knew from the time when she lived in Paris.

I found the same clip on British Pathe:

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/duke-and-duchess-of-kent-in-poland

Polish monarchists wanted to make Duke Of Kent King Of Poland:

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/68442639

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/57632195

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2810551
Zofia and her family including her aged mother Baroness de Stockel later made their home in a cottage at Coppins...

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The Windsors / Re: George and Marina, Duke and Duchess of Kent, Part 2
« on: April 08, 2013, 02:27:52 PM »
That was a private visit. Count Alfred Potocki of Łańcut - one of the wealthiest man in prewar Poland  - send a private invitation to Their Majesties King George VI and Queen Elizabeth, but they were too busy, so Duke and Duchess of Kent came to Poland instead of the royal couple. Besides Łańcut and Kraków, they also visited Katowice, where lived Zofia Poklewska Koziełł - a friend of the Duchess, which she knew from the time when she lived in Paris.

I found the same clip on British Pathe:

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/duke-and-duchess-of-kent-in-poland

Polish monarchists wanted to make Duke Of Kent King Of Poland:

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/68442639

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/57632195

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2810551
Alfred Potocki wrote fascinating memoird "Master of Lancut" .His flight from Lancut just before the Soviet arrival was legendary...taking with him via Vienna to Vaduz over 60 railway cars of the amazing contents of the castle. Alfreds mother "Betka" nee Princess Elisabeth Radziwill was the hostess during the visit.

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He was on a offical visit to the small town of Kirkby Lonsdale (about 14 miles from my home) where I have business interests.We were told before hand that a certain number of people would be introduced apart from the local town council etc. He was utterly charming to all...the children,the local brass band etc etc

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I was very lucky enough to be introduced to Prince Charles on Thursday.
We spoke for several minutes and I found him witty and very interesting....at the end of our conversation I made so bold as to compliment him on seeming so content and happy these days.

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