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Imperial Russian Antiques / Re: Missing Faberge Eggs?
« on: September 21, 2013, 07:00:21 AM »
Miek's website is wonderful and the research very thorough. It is very interesting that only some of Marie F's eggs are now unaccounted for. The "Mauve" Egg surprise which was according to documentary evidence in the Faberge papers a heart shaped locket on a pedestal containing a clover shaped frame of three water colours appears to have turned up at an exhibition in London in the mid 1930s and was believed to have been lent by Grand Duchess Xenia A. Later still the "surprise" was acquired by Malcolm Forbes. If the exhibit lent by Xenia A and later purchased by Forbes is the same surprise as contained within the "Mauve" Egg it seems prossible that Marie F. may have managed to bring the surprise out of russia with her and left it to Xenia. If this is the case than perhaps the Mauve Egg came too along with others such as the "Danish", the 1909 Alexander III the "Empire Nephrite" and even the "Necessaire". The information and photographic evidence about the Cherub with the Chariot Egg is absolutely fascinating too. Miek's site is a real gem!!!! 

The Windsors / Re: Andrew, Duke of York
« on: September 21, 2013, 05:16:39 AM »
GDElla - The press in the UK seems to have little interest in Andrew at the moment excepting the ongoing will they wont they speculation about him and Sarah re-marrying which has been ongoing for years but flared up yet again last month when Sarah was reportedly invited to stay at Balmoral. Ever since Andrew's role was brought into question by the government he has received less press coverage. There is less bitching about "Air Miles Andy" and his perceived ability to arrange official overseas visits combined with lots of convenient visits to the world's best golf courses. Now the press seems to have little interest in anyone within the family other than the Duchess of Cambridge - which is rather boring really as she is not exactly interesting.

The same thing happened with the Duchess of Cornwall for a considerable period after her marriage to the POW. I noticed that the pernicious and dreadful "Chattering Classes" Daily Mail was one of the worst culprits during the period 2005 to 2006 constantly referring to her as Camilla Parker Bowles for months after the honeymoon . Interestingly no English newspapers that I have seen, ever refer to the Duchess of Cornwall as Duchess Camilla. With regards to the Duchess of Cambridge being referred to by her maiden name even now, I too find this irritating. I used to feel the same about the 'Lady Di' sobriquet still being used, especially in the Foreign Press, to identify Diana, Princess of Wales throughout the eighties and all the way up till the time of her death! I found that really annoying! Even though she should never have been known as "Princess Diana" during her marriage, I still preferred it with teeth on edge, to 'Lady Di' which was inappropriate and declasse IMHO!

The media has an increasing habit of referring to The Duchess of Cambridge as "Duchess Catherine" or "Duchess Kate" in articles. I've never seen that style used widely in reference to a British royal, is that even appropriate?  Or am I the only one irritated by the practice?

It is not an increasing habit, the press has been doing similar things ever since the arrival of Diana. Diana was always being referred to as Princess Diana (Totally incorrectly) as well as the Princess of the Duchess of Cambridge is being dubbed and referred to in a similar incorrect fashion. It seems to me to be a disneyesque approach used because some quarters in the press think their readership will not be able to identify who the Duchess of Cambridge is unless they remind readers of her Christian name. Basically it is a dumbing down and sheer disregard for correct style and form of address. The media never stopped referring to Diana, Princess of Wales as Princess Diana, either before of after the divorce and it made up its own rules. The public at large had no problem with that and it appears that the media is once again determining that it will call the Duchess of Cambridge: Duchess Catherine or Duchess Kate and the readership will accept this. It is pretty harmless really!

The Windsors / Re: Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh
« on: January 03, 2012, 02:45:34 PM »
Also page 78:

regarding KP :'later recalled as a 'sort of base where I kept things'.

'Philip soon got used to never knowing at the start of each school holidays where he would be spending them and to always being on the move, but he did not complain. Victoria rearranged her own life so that she could supervise his...'

Philip also had a close relationship with Sir Harold Wernher, brother-in-law of his aunt Nada Milford-Haven who Philip came to look upon as an honorary uncle--and Zia as honorary aunt. Philip would stay with them at Thorpe Lubenham Hall for long periods in the 1930s.

Thank you so much for the wealth of data GDElla, you are so generous! It is interesting to see that the extended family was there for Philip during the thirties.

The Windsors / Re: Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh
« on: December 30, 2011, 06:26:05 PM »
Correct me if I misheard or misread, but I was under the impression that when Philip was packed off to the UK and to Gordonstoun, he spent a great deal of time with his wonderful grandmother VMH at Kensington Palace and with the Mountbattens. The "collapse" of his immediate family circle, with the sisters all marrying, his father running of to the South of France and Alice's apparent break down does all make awful reading when one considers Philip was only eleven in 1932. I admire Prince Philip though, as he never seems to blame his childhood for anything...."You just got on with it." None of this "issues" labeling, analysis and finding blame that is so popular today! I suspect that he inherited a great deal of his resilience and strength of character from his extraordinary grandmother. Philip spent quite a bit of time with her throughout the thirties and perhaps some of her indomitable spirit rubbed off on him.  Seeing an interview he did to mark his ninetieth birthday earlier this year, one can hardly blame him for being a little irascible when asked what he deems silly, inane questions or being paid compliments he sees as irrelevant and vacuous. I get the impression Philip shares many good traits with VMH and also Louise of Sweden, who was famously unstuffy and down to earth.

The Windsors / Re: Royal Hats
« on: December 27, 2011, 03:44:38 PM »
I am surprised that neither of the York girls have asked to borrow Zara's "ahem"....dress and hat. I do like the shoes though!

The Windsors / Re: Edward and Katherine Duke and Duchess of Kent
« on: October 07, 2011, 01:28:29 AM »
I do agree with you Ann, Grace and Chris regarding the amount of media attention that Charles and Diana received compared to that sorrounding the Kents, but saying that the Michaels are constantly being targeted by the press in the UK. (Those two seem to the Media punch bags where royalty is concerned in the UK - MC is the arch baddy within the family apparently....pushy, self serving, haughty and worst of all German)  and  So I do not think it is all about your position within the family rankings but also indicative of the perceived "news print" worthiness of certain members of the family over others. Marie Christine gets heaps more attention then her position as a Junior member of the family who does not even get paid out to carry out engagements warrants. Interestingly, it is the Gloucesters who really do seem to lead whiter than white lives as far as the press are concerned. You very very rarely find any articles about them in the press at all.

Going back to Katharine Kent, I believe that the press has a healthy respect for her which mirrors general public opinion. The fact that the Press Barons knew about her teaching job long before she went public is well known and this in itself demonstrates a degree of respect rare in the media where no paper leaked this story. The Duchess is without a doubt IMHO an extraordinary member of the family who appears to have gained the respect not only of the media but the public at large through her discretion, selfless philanthropy and obvious passion for music and sharing her talent to nurture future talent.        

The Windsors / Re: Edward and Katherine Duke and Duchess of Kent
« on: October 06, 2011, 02:04:54 AM »
The most wonderful woman! I am constantly humbled by just how beautiful on both the inside and on the outside this member of the royal family really is!

The Windsors / Re: Edward and Katherine Duke and Duchess of Kent
« on: October 04, 2011, 06:29:20 AM »
'Actually, Diana spoke about Katharine Kent's work and admired her greatly...perhaps you didn't realise this?'

I didn't know that, but Diana could still have learned a good deal from the Duchess about working away quietly and doing nothing which might cause scandal. Indeed, the Duke and Duchess separated quietly some years ago, and both have behaved so discreetly that it's hardly been noticed. They went to William and Kate's wedding together, however.


Grace, I was just pointing out that even though the Duchess of Kent went through a some incredibly difficult times in the latter half of the seventies, going through an abortion at the age of forty two due to the risks entailed after she contracted rubella and then two years later to her delight finding herself pregnant again at forty four and then enduring the agony of giving birth to a stillborn son, which had a profound effect of the Duchess, she dealt with these tragedies in an amazingly dignified and private fashion. There have been rumours for decades about the Kent marriage being strained, but the Duchess appeared to manage to continue fulfilling her role as a member of the family and carry out he duties until her decision to convert to the Catholic faith which was more or less when she began to reduce her work schedule as a member of the family and went off to teach music at a primary school and continue her support of Charities without the constant attention of the press. I just think it a shame that with such compassion and humility, where she continues to ask others not to address her by her royal style, the Duchess had already demonstrated to Diana as far back as 1994 that one could lead a uniquely fulfilling and useful life without resorting to some of tactics that Diana resorted to in her bid to share her marital problems and personal tribulations with the media and readers. It is a pity that though Diana may have admired Katharine Kent, she never took a leaf out of the Duchess' book in how to deal with personal matters privately and how to achieve her goals away from the so called "Firm" in a measured and discreet way.

The Windsors / Re: George and Marina, Duke and Duchess of Kent, Part 2
« on: September 29, 2011, 05:44:17 AM »
It is speculated that Queen Alexandra's stars passed by descent to the Kents but this has never been verified to my personal satisfaction, perhaps Ashdean will know for sure?! Here is a link about QA's stars

The Windsors / Re: Princess Louise,Princess Royal, Duchess of Fife
« on: June 03, 2011, 11:02:31 PM »
Louise was 168 cm (5 foot 5) tall.

The Windsors / Re: George and Marina, Duke and Duchess of Kent, Part 2
« on: September 30, 2010, 04:50:42 AM »
Well...At least both partners are royal. That would fit the bill that even old guards like Miechen or Augusta of Mecklenburg-Strelitz would approve. In fact Queen Mary was very happy that George chose someone "in the family", she would have been more glad had David (Duke of Windsor) napped one of Marina's sisters. Baby Bee (Infanta Beatrice of Borbon-Orleans) was present when Olga & Elisabeth (Wooley) of Greece was presented at court. Sadly nothing happened. I tend to think actually it is that they don't really want to go off and search for wives of approciate status. There are many royal cousins (especially from Prince Philip's side) to chose from (Baden, Hohenlohe-Langenburgs, Hesse...etc). IInstead they have to find someone like "Fergie"...I have no words.

Absolute Rubbush about old guards such as Miechen and Augusta of Mecklenburg Strelitz approving! How can one make such an assumption when Olga was deemed unequal to her father's lineage from birth!???? Have you forgotten that Princess Olga of Greece was never entitled to bear the title of HRH at birth, as she born of an unequal marriage!? Heaven forbid we forget that even today, Prince Michael of Greece's daughters were born out of an unequal marriage....they were products of the recent 'bending' of rules, but were never totally equal to others born of so called or acceptably equal 'Royal' marriages where they qualified to be HRHs! How sad it is that this issue be brought up here as no doubt it will be scotched as 'Off topic'! All I have to say is check your facts Eric before you start going on about being 'Royal'......!

The Windsors / Re: George and Marina, Duke and Duchess of Kent, Part 2
« on: September 28, 2010, 05:11:10 PM »
I have to say that I think in today's climate of celebrity frenzied idolatry Royalty have an incredibly difficult position to maintain, being expected to be perfect paragons whilst withstanding the Papz frenzy on a daily basis and still maintaining their dignity and poise! In the 1930s Royals got away with far more in private because the press was far more amenable. The case of Edward VIII and Wallis Simpson was successfully kept out of the papers in the UK for months prior to the abdication crisis! Times have changed and Royalty is no longer protected as it once was, by press discretion and a degree of respect! Unlike other celebrities today, Royals born into the Purple really do have to withstand scrutiny and actually justify their privileged positions today, rather than merely look the part based on birth right! As to the marriage of the Duke of Aosta and Princess Olga of Greece, it made the whole affair a little tawdry and declasse that the bride was pregnant at the time of the nuptials IMHO!

The Greek Royal Family / Re: Prince Nikolaos of Greece and his wife Tatiana
« on: September 14, 2010, 04:53:44 PM »
Were the Michaels of Kent the only members of the Windsor Clan to attend the wedding of the Nicholases? Lovely to see them there! But I was curious as to why the Wessexes weren't invited or did they decline to attend?! The Wessexes are usually the Windsor Wedding guest fodder at European Royal Weddings aren't they, or is that only when the wedding is within a Ruling Royal House?!

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