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After some thought and research I don't think Nicholas would have done much more in 1905 if the revolution got worse than he did in real life. Nicholas soon afterwards regreted giving up so much power in real life. One must point out that the Duma leaders who took over the Provisional government in 1917 proved to be totally inept and I don't think they would have done any better in power in 1905.

Things could have been a whole lot worse in 1905 the revolutionaries planned large scale mutinies in the Black and Baltic fleets. In the Black sea the battleship Potemkin mutiny occurred before their plans were ready and disrupted their plans. In 1906 the premature revolt of the Sveabourg fortress and mutiny on the cruiser Pamiat Azov also disrupted their plans. Nicholas was also lucky that the Army and navy's officer corps remained loyal as did the railway workers which enabled him to move troops around to crush the revolt.

Unrest in the intervening countries Germany, Austria-Hungary and England there will be some along with a possible increase in terrorism. One should point out Royalty and government officials back then did not travel around with a whole lot of security except the Tsar. This is why so many Russian officials were assassinated no real security around them in most cases. in the Western countries terrorist attackers would find a lot of easy targets. Add to this there were Russian exile communities to hide in. This will lead to increased security and even slightly better security would have saved the Archduke Franz Ferdinand in 1914. So no cause for WW I FF  becomes Emperor of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and turns the nation into a more federated state. Kaiser Wilhelm II as the years go on is slowly striped of his power and Germany becomes a real constitutional monarchy like England by the time Crown Prince Wilhelm becomes Wilhelm III.

Getting from TS to Kronstadt without going via Petrograd would be no problem TS is to the south and Kronstadt is to the West of Petrograd. If you find a map of the area there are a number of roads you could take to the coast and take ship to Kronstadt.

Having Fun! / Re: Model warships
« on: October 13, 2017, 07:40:12 PM »
If I can figure out how to post pictures I will put them here. In earlier years on the site there are other models of Russian Imperial Navy warships. Most of them are from a company called Comburg a few from Zvezda. note: before and during the Russo-Japanese War most Russian warships had their funnels painted yellow. one way to ID them along with the Russian naval ensign blue X on a white flag. WW I period and later the ships were painted gray

Hi eb :) good points

The US WW I museum and memorial has a presentation "Between a Rock and a hard place" by Dr Gary Armstrong it show the problems faced by the goverments of Europe on social change and is quite interesting.

The book "The Last Tsar" Serge S Oldenberg also points out Nicholas was not as weak as he is often made out to be.

Based on accounts I have read of combat in the Artic in WW II the roads from Murmansk to Norway are few and not very good too put it mildly. Summertime it would be hard going even on horseback forget about motor vehicles. Winter time horse drawn sleighs are  the only way to go. A Norwegian ship could have picked up the IF at Murmansk and taken them to a Port in Norway with few problems. The problem is getting the IF to Murmansk. There is no way the Petrograd Soviet or the Provisional government would let that happen.

BeNeLux Royalty / Re: Books on Dutch Royals
« on: October 11, 2017, 03:00:56 PM »
The book "Last hope Island" Lynne Olson which deals with European goverment's in has a fine account of Queen Wilhelmina during this period.

The book "last Hope Island" by Lynne Olson includes a account of Haakon VII's role in WW II.  If you look up the battleship HMS Royal oak there is a picture of this ship bringing Queen Maud's body back to Norway.

This is from the book "Last Hope Island" King Haakon VII of Norway "...had offered to send a warship to rescue his first cousin, Tsar Nicholas II, and the tsar's wife and children after Nicholas was dethroned in 1917. King George v, Haakon's brother-in-law and another first cousin of Nicholas's, had told the Norwegian king not to bother, that he would send a ship for the Russian royal family himself. The British vessel, however, had not been dispatched, and Haakon had reportedly never forgiven his brother-in-law for abandoning Nicholas and his family, who were murdered by the Bolsheviks in 1918."

If it looked like the Russian Monarchy was going to collapse. Austria-Hungary and Germany would march to the rescue. The Russian army helped save the Hapsbergs in 1848. So no doubt old Franz Joseph would feel bound to save the Romanovs. IN Germany Wilhelm II would think saving a fellow monarch a really great idea. England a lot of people didn't like Russia for various reasons.  However, the thought of the fall of the Russian monarchy might scare enough of the people in power that England might intervene in a limited fashion. Maria Feds sister was Queen Alexandra of England. France Russia was an ally, they had a great deal of money invested in Russia depending who is in power this week the French might intervene also in a limited fashion. Long run Russia remains a monarchy with the help of the other major powers. However it is greatly weakened and it might not remain intact. There is no WW I because after the intervention which may last several years all the countries involved will want several years of peace to recover.

Having Fun! / Model warships
« on: October 03, 2017, 10:52:51 AM »
In looking through the 2017 gallery section of they had some models of warships of the Imperial Russian era including the Battleships Tsesarevich and Peresvet  pronounced pyair-yes-VYET.

One day I would like to post some pictures of some models I have of this period on this site if i could figure out how.

Official History (Navy and Military ) of the Russo-Japanese War
Epitome of the Russo-Japanese War
Lectures of the Strategy of the Russo-Japanese War

all pre WW I histories of the R-R War

Small Wars: Their Principles and Practice Charles L Callwell pre WW I on how to fight an insurgency includes Russian operations in the Caucusus and Central Asia
The Bear Went over the Mountain lester Grau Soviet counter insurgency operations in Afganistan 1980s

Ann one you might like:
Wolfram Von Ricthofen Master of the German Air War" A fine bio of him

Having Fun! / Re: Things that annoy you because you're a Romanov fan
« on: September 26, 2017, 08:07:09 PM »
In a above reply someone commented that OTMA were German not Russian if so what does this make the children of:

Philip of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg and Elizabeth of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha?

The Stuarts of Scotland / Re: Books/TV/Films about the Stuarts
« on: September 19, 2017, 09:31:32 PM »
I think there may be a movie Mary Queen of Scots in the works

The book "The trial of Mary Queen of Scots" Jane Lewis has the record of her trial and the full Robert Wyngfield account of her execution for those who want more on the subject.

French Royals / Re: Books on French Royals
« on: September 19, 2017, 06:58:33 PM »
The 2006 movie Marie Antoinette is on youtube along with specials The Rise and Fall of Versailles

Having Fun! / Re: A New AU fic - title, ideas, help with accuracy?
« on: September 19, 2017, 06:53:46 PM »
History stuff again: Nicholas II decided to take command of the Russian armies in 1915 on his own. GD NN was on the point of a nervous breakdown. Nicholas II could not replace him with a commoner. So Nicholas II took command. As for better generals Nicholas II didn't have that many. Often generals who were fired for incompetence managed to get themselves re-instated do to politics and the fact the Army was short of competent replacements. It should also be pointed out that Nicholas often ignored the advise of Alexandra and Rasputin. So Russia in early 1917 would have been pretty much in the same crises mode it was in real life.

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