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French Royals / Re: Louis XVII - Did he die in the Tower?
« on: October 10, 2019, 09:42:57 AM »
Hi, I am back. I hope to be able to post some pictures from my book on this forum but not sure how to do it.  Carol Jean

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French Royals / Re: Louis XVII - Did he die in the Tower?
« on: July 12, 2013, 06:07:37 PM »
It was explained to me the the mother's mtdna only passed down to her son---on the male line but went from her to her daughter and then to her daughter's daughter and so on down the female line.  A male's DNA passes down from son to son--down the male line---and again only to his own daughter.  Are you saying this is not correct---that I was informed about this---and it is not right?  I wish to know the actual truth of how and to whom DNA and mtdna is passed down from generation to generation.  Thanks for explaining this to me.

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French Royals / Re: Louis XVII - Did he die in the Tower?
« on: May 23, 2013, 04:31:50 PM »
I have wondered why they did not use King Louis XVI's hair for testing on the heart. This would have proven that he was the son of the King and would have put to rest the accusations that Queen Marie Antoinette had an affair. Maybe I am wrong but I would have thought that they would have had his hair. Of course after all those years it would be something to prove any way.  DNA from the a descendant of the Kings of France---male line only would prove it though even today if the DNA from the heart is still available. Also DNA from a descendant of the Kings of France would prove if a male living now is a descendant of the Lost King of France.

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French Royals / Re: Louis XVII - Did he die in the Tower?
« on: August 04, 2012, 07:27:13 PM »
When they tested the heart that was supposed to be the heart of Louis Charles against hair that they had of Marie Antoinette---they had the DNA from both the mother and the child---so why did they say that the DNA from the heart matched with Marie Antoinette's sisters--and that they did not say that the DNA matched with Marie Antoinette's?  Wouldn't Marie Antoinette have the same mtdna that her sisters had? This would not prove which one of these sisters had this child. It could have been any of her sisters or her female cousin's from her mothers sisters.
Why wouldn't it positively prove who the mother was?  If it would NOT prove who the mother was, why was the test taken?

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French Royals / Re: Louis XVII - Did he die in the Tower?
« on: August 03, 2012, 07:38:58 PM »
Just remember that test on a child will be positive test of his mother and his father.

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French Royals / Re: Louis XVII - Did he die in the Tower?
« on: August 02, 2012, 07:37:35 PM »
I did not add this but when a DNA test is done on a baby to prove who his father is---it will tell absolutely if the child belongs to whoever the mother claims is the father  or not--so the some is true of a mtdna  test to prove who the mother of the child really is as well.  These tests on a child will tell who their mother and father truely is. It is positive proof.

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French Royals / Re: Louis XVII - Did he die in the Tower?
« on: July 27, 2012, 06:44:08 PM »
If you can, get the book that Deborah Cadbury wrote---The Lost King of France. In it it tells of a Mrs. Simon who cared for Louis Charles in prison. On her death bed she is still swearing to the fact that the Dauphin escaped from the prison in a laundry basket and she went to her death saying that he was alive. Louis Charles's sister would not meet with many of the men who claimed that they were the lost dauphin.
Why not? If she was in agony over not knowing the truth about her brother---why wouldn't she want to see these men herself--so she would know.  But if she also knew like Mrs. Simon that he had escaped---then she would not HAVE to meet with any of these men to satisfy her knowledge of what happened to her brother.  She was also not allowed to see her dead brother in the prison. Why not?  If he was truly her brother--she would have known---but if he was not her brother, she would have known that another boy was substituted for him and that her brother had escaped!  I believe that the boy that died in the prison was not Louis Charles. I believe that all of this was done to cover up the truth. The boy that died in the prison had his TWELVE YEAR OLD MOLARS. How old was Louis Charles?  Ten years old?  Does all this make sense? They also stated that the boy had long legs and arms for a child only ten years old. Since there is these descrepencies and these things that do not add up---why is it that everyone will believe and take it for the truth?  Oh and yes, the mtdna test that they took should PROVE that he was the son of Marie Antoinette--not one of her sisters or any other things but that he was the son of Marie Antoinette---and that is not what was said at all. It was said that the mtdna proved that he was a relative of Marie Antoinette on her maternal side. It should have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the child was the SON of Marie Antoinette!

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French Royals / Re: Louis XVII - Did he die in the Tower?
« on: July 24, 2012, 06:51:48 PM »
From what I have read the test on the heart proved that the heart belonged to someone that had the same ancestry as Marie Antoinette and two of her sisters. I read in a book by Deborah Cadbury that the test did not prove that the heart belonged to a son of Marie Antoinette.
DNA goes back from father to father to father and so on. The only connection that is proven by mtdna testing is from the Mother to the son.
Otherwise if a woman has a test---it goes back to her mother and then her mother and then her mother and so on. So to prove that a son belongs to a woman ---they have a test that can prove that---and to prove that a child belongs to a father they can prove that.  But that is as far as it goes either back on the female side or the male side depending what sex that the child is. If you have access to a computer to look up the books written by Deborah Cadbury--the name of the book has escaped my memory. Oh, and Marie Antoinette had four children--two boys and two girls.

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French Royals / Re: Louis XVII - Did he die in the Tower?
« on: July 24, 2012, 08:33:47 AM »
You and lots of others have your opinon---we are all intitled to our own beliefs and thoughts. After doing so much research on my ancestor and not finding any connection to any family here in the U.S. and knowing the story handed down from one generation to another about HOW he arrived in the U.S. and then actually tracing him and his whereabouts--trying for years and years to find out his ancestry in the conventionally way I then took his word that he was of the Royalty of France and tried to find out who he really was. DNA proved that the surname he had was NOT his surname at all. So, with all this in mind--I then turned to the Royalty of France and their history, ancestors, stories and pictures.
And I am saying that I worked on his ancestry here in the U.S. for more years than you are old--probably as I started when I was in my teens and I am now in my sixties. So, this is no fly by night ---grabbing at some sort of whim.

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French Royals / Re: Louis XVII - Did he die in the Tower?
« on: July 21, 2012, 09:17:27 PM »
I did write a book and I have traced the genealogy of King Louis XVI---and I have contacted some of the descendants of the Royal Kings of France.  So what are you saying? I have done a lot of research on the Royal Family and their ancestors and descendants. I just have not found anyone who IS a descendant that will do a DNA test.  How would you go about doing that? Have you any idea?

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French Royals / Re: Louis XVII - Did he die in the Tower?
« on: July 17, 2012, 07:28:06 PM »
If there is anyone interested in what I have put together in my book--I would be glad to have others look at the book and contents.
For information contact me at cjgennut@yahoo.com.

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French Royals / Re: Louis XVII - Did he die in the Tower?
« on: December 05, 2009, 09:07:05 PM »
Hi, I can not give you a link to my book on  this forum---no advertizing but if you will leave me a private message then I will try to contact you and find out where to send you a book.  I do not want to go against the rules of using this forum. Thanks for your interest. 

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French Royals / Re: Louis XVII - Did he die in the Tower?
« on: September 25, 2009, 07:31:47 PM »
I don't think that you understand what I am trying to prove by having the DNA of a male line descendant of King Louis XIV to compare with the DNA of my brother who is a direct male line descendant of the boy that escaped France at the time of the French Revolution and told that his parents were both beheaded and that he was of the Royalty of France  and that he had came over from France to America hiding for fear of his life.
If I can find a male descendant of King Louis XIV in a direct male line (male to son to son and so on) that would be willing to have his DNA tested and post the results on Ancestry.Com's DNA or Family Tree DNA --- the maybe I will find a DNA match and will then have the proof that I am looking for that will prove that the little boy that came on the boat from France to America was really the son of Marie Antoinette and King Louis XVI.

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French Royals / Re: Louis XVII - Did he die in the Tower?
« on: August 21, 2009, 07:04:01 PM »
Does anyone know of a direct male line descendant of King Louis the XIV? I would like to get this descendant to have a DNA test done on himself and post the results on Framily tree DNA or Ancestry.Com DNA. Or if on of the historians have access to King Louis XVI's DNA and could do this I would like to see the DNA of this Royal line made available on one or both of these sites. If by any chance that their DNA would match up with a direct male line from the little boy that came over on a boat as a stow-a-way and told his children that he was of the Royalty of France and that his parents were beheaded at the time of the French Revolution I think that  it would prove  Louis Charles did escape from the prison and did make it to America and does have decendants living there now and several male direct line descendants at that!  I have written a book on my belief and now I am trying to find the proof that I need to prove my theory. I had my brother's DNA tested and have compared it to other's with the surname that the little boy from France took after he arrived in the U.S. and my brothers DNA does not match up with any one with that Surname or any variation of it.
The Genetic Genealogist has told me to pursue the direct male lines of the Kings of France. So now I am tyring to find someone that would be willing to help. It would either prove my theory right or would prove my theory wrong.  Thanks for any help.

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French Royals / Re: Louis XVII - Did he die in the Tower?
« on: June 20, 2009, 06:30:20 PM »
Hi, Get the book from your library written by Deborah Cadbury and read in it about Mrs. Simon. She held to her story even on her death bed that little Louis Charles was smuggled out in a laundry basket. Any one who is about to die is not so likely to be telling a lie. Yet, no one believed her. I believe that she was motherly to little Louis Charles and may have even helped him escape.

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