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Tatiana Nicholaievna / Re: The Spirit of Tatiana Nikolaevna
« on: December 09, 2017, 03:59:52 PM »
A quote from a letter from Tatiana to Valentina Ivanovna , 9 December 1917 , Tobolsk. ( from 'Tatiana Romanov: Letters and Diaries 1913-18' , Azar and Nicholson).

Tnak you. How very meta.

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Having Fun! / Re: Russian Quizzo/Trivia Round
« on: December 08, 2017, 04:01:43 PM »
An Advent quiz question:

Which royal, whose son has a typical Romanov name and sports a title previously enjoyed by a Romanov by right of marriage, hails from the same region as a famous royalty-related monumental vase in a Russian location better known for a huge piece of the same type of material? The son's father shares a name with the donator of the vase, who also had a monumental vase from this material in the grounds of his palace on an island neighbouring the one where the boy and his family live; the boy's first cousin is the namesake of the recipient of the vase.
Brownie points for explaining all the details.

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Having Fun! / Re: If Disney made a movie about OTMA...?
« on: December 07, 2017, 07:41:53 PM »
Olga and Tatiana will be different to Elsa and Anna as they're not Scandinavian

As a Scandinavian one laughs at the idea of a Nordic princess called Elsa. Sounds like a real princess Eufemia's German chamber maid.

I'm surprised there wasn't more written at the time of the release of the movie about the only real Princess Elsa (if you don't count the princesses called Elisabeth and nicknamed Elsa / Else / Ella): Duchess Elsa of Württemberg, who was a Romanov on her mother's side. This story with its pictures of a little gender-bending boy who wanted to be Princess Elsa for Halloween really made me think of the staid and not very ætheral real-life Princess Elsa and even more so her matronely-looking mother Queen Vera. Huffington Post should have written: Little boy challenges Disney's cutesy princess model by dressing up as the real Teutonic Princess Elsa of Württemberg of the Wilhelminian Era!

Disney's princess movies are probably highly influential in shaping people's ideas about what it means being a princess, particularly in countries without monarchies. Disney, although basing much of their universe on German folklore and the Fairytales of the Brothers Grimm in particular, are rather anti-German and undercommunicate the fact that the German lands had and still have the highest princess-per-capita ratio in the whole world (only rivalled by Saudi-Arabia, I suppose). Including such problematic princesses as leading German right-wing politician Beatrix von Storch née Duchess of Oldenburg. She is of course the real ice queen wanting to give refugees a very frosty welcome :-)

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Scandanavian Royal Families / Re: Princess Martha Louise and Ari Behn
« on: December 07, 2017, 06:37:31 PM »
Demi-royal #metoo:
Kevin Spacey groped Ari Behn's "crown jewels" during the VIP after party after the Nobel Peace Prize banquet, which he (Spacey) hosted!
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5083002/kevin-spacey-royal-grope-allegation/

What a cheeky American actor, treating our lisping bohemian princeling just like a Russian grand duke would condescend to treat a Gipsy or ballerina in imperial times!

Russians often have the best, irreverant see-through-the-bullshit responses to these things, like this one:
Прям таки сразу домогался, может это тайное масонское приветствие. Просто мистер Бен, так сказать, не того градуса посвящения или просто мистер Спейси ошибся ложей. Всякое бывает.
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Straight still immediately harassed???, maybe this is a secret Masonic greeting. It's just that Mr. Behn does not have that degree of initiation, so to speak, or simply Mr. Spacey made a mistake in lying. Anything is possible.

And....
Принцесса теперь обязана потребовать от Спейси сатисфакции.
Стреляться, через платок, на пяти шагах!
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The princess now has to demand from satisfaction from Spacey.
Shoot, through a handkerchief, five steps away!

From https://ru-royalty.livejournal.com/5641326.html

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Scandanavian Royal Families / Re: Princess Martha Louise and Ari Behn
« on: December 07, 2017, 06:20:24 PM »
Demi-royal #metoo:
Kevin Spacey groped Ari Behn's "crown jewels" during the VIP after party after the Nobel Peace Prize banquet, which he (Spacey) hosted!
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5083002/kevin-spacey-royal-grope-allegation/

What a cheeky American actor, treating our lisping bohemian princeling just like a Russian grand duke would condescend to treat a Gipsy or ballerina in imperial times!

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Tatiana Nicholaievna / Re: The Spirit of Tatiana Nikolaevna
« on: December 07, 2017, 04:09:15 PM »
Anyway ,Tatiana 'called it' so to speak  in December 1917 in a letter to a friend.
'' There are lots of foolish rumours out there in the newspapers . You probably read them, but it is all nonsense . They even sent us a newspaper clipping which tells of my escape to America ! I hope you did not believe this . I wonder who is wasting their time on such idiotic delusions .''

Interesting. This is an actual quote?

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Scandanavian Royal Families / Re: Prince Carl Philip
« on: December 06, 2017, 08:35:44 PM »
Their second son, Prince Gabriel Carl Walther, Duke of Dalarna, is named after his Nazi great grandfather (Carl August) Walther Sommerlath.

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The Windsors / Re: Prince Henry/Prince Harry of Wales
« on: December 06, 2017, 08:16:10 PM »
At least she is merely an actress and not a former horizontale (specializing in yoga....with the saccharine patriarchy......) like Princess Sofia dite Miss Slitz of Sweden.

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The Windsors / Re: Prince Henry/Prince Harry of Wales
« on: December 06, 2017, 03:20:00 PM »
Meghan Markle's ex-husband Trevor Engelson is Jewish, apparantly the great great grandson of Russian Jews who were the persecuted subjects of the Romanovs. He is also from Long Island and works as a movie producer, just like Weinstein. How long untill the royal wedding is defiled by the hashtag #metoo?

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The Windsors / Re: Prince Henry/Prince Harry of Wales
« on: December 06, 2017, 02:54:25 PM »
I largely agree. Harry and Meghan have little in common with the Duke and Duchess of Windsor.

I suspect they are much more rounded and mature persons than the Windsors, but really, the similarities are oddly many:
- The bride is older than the groom, who had a somewhat interrupted relationship with his mother.
- The groom is considered extremely handsome and attractive, more so than the bride.
- The bride's maternal family hails from the American South, with its troubled and hateful past and old grudges.
- The bride has chosen a career based on outward appearance (society hostess / socialite and actress).

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BTW I take the term Император-Родоначальник - Emperor-Progenitor as meaning the Emperor founding a new dynasty through the female line (and not the original legislator Paul I) and articles 30-32 as meaning that even if Alexey died before NII, any daughters or female-line grandsons he had would succeeded before Olga and the rest of their aunts and their descendants. But a daughter of Olga would succeed before a son of her sisters.

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30. When the last male issue of the Emperor's sons is extinct, succession remains in the same branch, but in the female issue of the last reigning Emperor, as being nearest to the Throne, and therein it follows the same order, with preference to a male over the female person; but the female person from whom this right directly proceeds never loses this right.

This confuses me because we know Michael was behind Alexei, but it says here that if the Emperor's sons died before they had any issue (in this case, just Alexei) then it goes to the nearest female branch of the last reigning Emperor. Then when the female branches are extinct, then it goes to the Emperor-Progenitor's eldest son or Michael. So, in actuality, Olga was after Alexei not Michael.

With the extinction of this branch the succession passes to the female issue of the branch of the eldest son of the Emperor-Progenitor, wherein the nearest relative of the last reigning Emperor in the branch of this son succeeds, the eldest in this descending line, or if unavailable, in a collateral line, and if this relative is lacking, then the male or female person who takes her place by substitution, with preference, as above, for a male over a female person.

See?

This confused me too when I looked it up. But I have never read anything (in the 15 years I've taken an interest in the subject) that the succession to the Russian Throne during the last two centuries was anything but semi-Salic or agnatic-cognatic primogeniture - that is: allowing women and their lines to succeed only at the extinction of all the male descendants in the male line. I think it all hangs on how widely you define the phrase "последнее мужеское поколение сыновей Императора" = "the last male issue of the Emperor's sons". Evidently it is to be understood as "any male male-line descendant of any emperor" and not just the sons of the last emperor's sons.

It is perhaps due to a faulty translation. As you might know Russian has no definite article, so the Russian original says literally "last male issue of sons of Emperor" and not "of the Emperor". This also fits with article 27, stating the principle of semi-Salic agnatic-cognatic succession:
Both sexes have the right of succession to the Throne; but this right belongs by preference to the male sex according to the principle of primogeniture; with the extinction of the last male issue, succession to the Throne passes to the female issue by right of substitution.

Of course the English translation I cited does come from Maria Vladimirovna's home page and the male-preference primogeniture misunderstanding would fit her claims perfectly, but I very much doubt she undermines herself by messing with the correct reproduction or translation of the succession laws. Of course it can be controlled against other versions.

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His daughter Olga or his sister Xenia?

Olga Nikolayevna. See Chapter Two of the Fundamental Laws of the Russian Empire: http://www.imperialhouse.ru/en/dynastyhistory/dinzak1/442.html

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Short lived indeed. Daughters aren't in the succession.

You mean in this scenario or according to the actual Pauline and Fundamental Laws of the Russian Empire? The latter were semi-Salic and allowed for female succession or succession through the female line (with the senior female descendant of the last reigning emperor expressly mentioned as keeping her right) if all agnatic dynasts were extinct.

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Corrections:

.... a jurist born in 1982 as son of Putin's old Petersburg cronies....
.....son of one of.....

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The one married to Shamalov, Yekaterina, has taken her maternal grandmother's patronymic and is called Yekaterina Vladimirovna Tikhonova.
.....patronymic as surname....

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