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To the New Study, via small entry hallway

Tsarskoe Selo Palaces / Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« on: August 15, 2011, 07:13:17 PM »
my bad - sorry for the confusion - yes the card shows Pavlovsk, not Strelna. There is no mistake or typo. The Cabinet/Study of GD K.N. was also called the Grand Dining Room. It WAS (!) located on the Ground Floor of the main building of the Palace. Originally (late 18th century - to somewhere circa mid 19th century) there were TWO rooms there, designed by Cameron and then "touched up" by Voronikhin - DRAWING ROOM and DANCE HALL (ROOM)....then somewhere in the XIX c these two rooms were combined in ONE - GRAND DINING ROOM which was PROBABLY AKA GD K.N.'s Cabinet/Study. I believe that is what we see on the postcard.
Now the most interesting part. After the 2d WW, during the Palace Restoration it was decided to re-create the original Cameron's design...hence there are  TWO ROOMS again - Dance Room and Old Drawing Room. They can be easily located on the present-day Floor Plan/ Just have a look. Remove (in your imagination) the dividing wall between these two room and - SURPRISE ! - you will see how the "postcard" room could easily fit into the enlarged space.
Hope that was of some help ...

Tsarskoe Selo Palaces / Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« on: August 15, 2011, 12:25:57 PM »
Note though that the card  identifies the room as Study ("Cabinet") of GD Constantine Nickolaevich, not Constantine Constantinovich...KN but not KK. Most likely (or how it looks to me) this is GD KN' (KK's father) "cabinet" in Strelna Palace (Konstantinovski Palace) XXX

Palaces in St. Petersburg / Re: Palace of GDss Xenia Aleksandrovna
« on: January 06, 2011, 11:06:16 AM »
Dear BobG...
I hate to disappoint you, but this floor plan looks very much like the one of Matilda Kshesinnskaja's Mansion... [

Palaces in St. Petersburg / Re: Private rooms of the Winter Palace
« on: October 28, 2009, 10:31:38 AM »
well, this "Yellow Dining Room after bombing" does not make any sense to me. It virtually does not fit  ANYWHERE!  Some help, anybody?

Palaces in St. Petersburg / Re: Private rooms of the Winter Palace
« on: October 28, 2009, 10:24:15 AM »
May I ask a question please ? I am sure someone will know for sure.

I am interested to find out if there were doors at the ground floor level leading to the garden, behind the railing which has now, together with the garden, been removed ? If so, what rooms gave acess to the garden ?

Many visitors, including Edward VII, thought the palace very strange because it had hardly any garden, and opened directly onto the street.
I cannot spot anything on the floorplans.


Well, the Hofburg compound in  Vienna and the Royal Palace in Berlin could not boast about their private gardens either.

Palaces in St. Petersburg / Re: Private rooms of the Winter Palace
« on: October 28, 2009, 10:20:08 AM »
I think you are correct, Pavlosk.  A pity that it was removed at all, but it may have fallen into disuse and needed repair and renovation.  As for the outside garden, it was rather small, as imperial gardens go,  and I imagine it was mainly intended for the children.  Do you, or anyone know when it was installed in the first place? Security must have been a nightmare to look after it.
 The WP itself was a security challenge, especially after the bombing and the assassination of AII.  Alexandra in particular hated the place and it was like pulling teeth to get her to attend anything at all in StP let alone the WP. Even though they had beautiful apartrments there, they were rrely used after  the AP was ready for them.

I believe it was installed late XIX c., as a part of N&A reconstruction. The wall surrounding the Garden was erected, thus partially dealing with security issues.

Palaces in St. Petersburg / Re: Private rooms of the Winter Palace
« on: October 28, 2009, 10:16:05 AM »
Dear PAVLOV, there were actually three winter gardens in the WP. Yes , you are correct, one of them (the smallest one) was done away with during the end of XIX century reconstruction (N&A remodeling, if not earlier). There were other two: one overlooking the main courtyard, entrance from the long (Pompeian) Gallery, running along the Neva Enfilade, the other was actually in the building next door, not the WP proper but in the Small Hermitage: the entrance was from the Pavilion Hall, and that winter garden overlooked the Hanging Garden of the Small Hermitage. However, taking into account that SH was actually incorporated into one of the Reserve Apartments WP annexes, we may say that the SH winter garden was the largest of these three.

Palaces in the Crimea / Re: Miskhor
« on: September 01, 2009, 12:01:52 PM »
Alex, the "Ukraine" sanatorium belongs to the "resort" branch of "Stalin Neo-classic" architectural constructions of the 30s-early 50s. I believe it was build for precisely that purpose  - working class people's health care and recuperation.

Krakow and surroundings was not a part of Russian Empire. It was under the Habsburgs.

The Alexander Palace / Re: Palace layout
« on: June 01, 2008, 07:38:42 AM »
No, I believe that "division" took place in order better accommodate Pushkin Museum exhibition. Very briefly in the 40s, after the war was over but between the time when the palace was give to the Navy. This reconstruction took place with the museum in mind. It would make little sense for an office building. Navy just kept this particular layout it as it was.The whole story with the short-lived Palace-based Museum is rather a little-known fact.

The Alexander Palace / Re: Palace layout
« on: May 31, 2008, 09:41:11 PM »
Yes, Michael HR, your guess is right. The Maple Room (originally with 4 windows) was divided into two rooms (2 windows each, half size of the original Maple Room) during the 40s reconstruction. I visited the palace in 1998 and during the tour our guide explained it all in detail.

The Alexander Palace / Re: Palace layout
« on: May 31, 2008, 12:03:15 PM »
Dear Michael HR,
the rooms on a straight line... this happened, i believe in the 1940s (after the war), when the palace was partially restored in order to become a home to A.S.Pushkin Museum. The later was moved to the Lyceum building (connected to the Katharine Palace) in the 50s, unless i am mistaken. Alexander Palace, in turn, was handed over to the military then.
Hence the positioning of the doors - straight line - the idea was, to make it look very 1820-1830 - ish, as it was common in Pushkin's lifetime. It does look, however, as the original XVIII-XIXth centuries layout. i am guessing that was the intention of the 1940s partial remodeling.

Palaces in the Crimea / Re: Livadia's floorpalns
« on: May 11, 2008, 10:54:40 AM »
Alexei's rooms are located right above the N&A rooms, they are with a sea view.

Palaces in the Crimea / Re: Livadia, Palace of Nicholas II
« on: October 12, 2006, 06:31:28 PM »
Thank you, Vladimir, these are the great pictures. And again it proves that the "Atlantis floor plans" are incorrect. Do you have more, by chance?

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