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The Final Chapter / Re: People Being 'Horrified' by OTMAA's Murders?
« on: June 19, 2018, 12:25:49 PM »
For 90 percent of the French in 1918 (I am French, so I speak for what I know), Russia spoke very little to people. So the Romanov family ...

Moreover, I believe that the notoriety of the imperial family today comes from its deep humanity. Otherwise, she would have fallen into oblivion. It would be a historical "episode".

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Nicholas II / Re: Nicolas II, first unofficial Nobel Peace Prize
« on: June 17, 2018, 04:03:07 PM »
"I think very few knew the value of the Swedish krona."

It's better!

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Nicholas II / Re: Nicolas II, first unofficial Nobel Peace Prize
« on: June 17, 2018, 04:00:58 PM »
Very few I think I knew the value of the Swedish krona. The journalist, perhaps, too.

I think that the article is critical of the Deutsche Friedensgesellschaft.

I do not know the reason though. It can mean: "Look at the Germans who are promoting European disarmament, how will France take over Alsace-Lorraine?" Or: "Look at the Germans trying to get closer to Russia."

We are almost at the beginning of the reign of Nicholas II. France was very much afraid that the Tsar would yield to German propaganda. Especially since Nicolas II knew the spirit of "revenge" of the French. Nicolas II was rather for a buffer state in Alsace-Lorraine.

But it may also be related to the fact that Germany moved to the Far East in 1897-1898. I know that France was certain that Germany wanted to attract Nicolas II to Asia.

The journalist may have thought that Germany was giving Russia the means for a war in Asia. Le Gaulois is often paranoid with Germany.

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The Imperial Family / Romanovs100 (1918-2018) : commemoration
« on: June 17, 2018, 12:28:13 PM »
I don't found the link on the forum to the commemoration of the centenary of the assassination of the imperial family organized by the GARF.

It's really awesome.

http://romanovs100.com/

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Beautiful information of the day.

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Nicholas II / Re: Nicolas II, first unofficial Nobel Peace Prize
« on: June 17, 2018, 08:12:11 AM »
For the sum, it did not surprise me. I think that speaking of Alfred Nobel the sum in crowns seemed logical to the journalist.

In fact, if I have confidence in the information it is because Le Gaulois is a journal very friend of Nicolas II. Even after the revolution of 1917.

So the "ironic" or "annoyed" tone of the article is surprising. If the information had been wrong, I think the tone would have been more neutral.

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Nicholas II / Re: Nicolas II, first unofficial Nobel Peace Prize
« on: June 17, 2018, 07:40:41 AM »
Maybe he refused the sum.

I do not speak German very well, but perhaps there are also more specific German sources.

After all, Le Gaulois reports information from Berlin.

It should not be forgotten that Le Gaulois is a nationalist French newspaper. He is ironic because the Germans give a price to "the ally of France".

The French were still very worried at that time, as soon as the Germans were "nice" with the Tsar.

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Nicholas II / Re: Nicolas II, first unofficial Nobel Peace Prize
« on: June 17, 2018, 07:29:35 AM »
I read in other French sources that Bertha von Suttner (founder of the Deutschen Friedegesellschaft) was a great supporter of Nicholas II at the time of the conference for peace. I would have to find the article.

Also, I think there may be a link.

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Nicholas II / Re: Nicolas II, first unofficial Nobel Peace Prize
« on: June 17, 2018, 07:24:18 AM »
The article says "Nobel Prize", but I think rather that:

Nobel gave 10 million crowns (before his death perhaps, it is difficult to say) to a pacifist association Deutschen Friedensgesellschaft.

The association gave its prize to Nicolas II in 1898. The prize was paid with the donation of Nobel.

Deutschen Fridengesellschaft still exists. I sent an email to find out.

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Nicholas II / Re: Nicolas II, first unofficial Nobel Peace Prize
« on: June 17, 2018, 07:16:05 AM »
Bjornson was a member since 1897.

https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_over_Den_norske_Nobelkomites_medlemmer#Den_Norske_Nobelkomite/_Det_Norske_Stortings_Nobelkomite_1897%E2%80%931909

List of members:

Den Norske Nobelkomite 1897

Bernhard Getz (47 år), riksadvokat. Høyre.
Johannes Steen (70 år), Stortingspresident. Venstre.
Jørgen Løvland (49 år), Odelstingets president. Venstre.
John Theodor Lund (55 år), President Lagtingets. Venstre.
Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson (65 år), forfatter. Venstre.

Nobel may have given before his death. I do not have the details.

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Nicholas II / Re: Nicolas II, first unofficial Nobel Peace Prize
« on: June 17, 2018, 06:37:30 AM »
Moreover, the information of Le Gaulois comes from Berlin. It's because he's talking about Bertha von Suttner's League for Peace, not the Nobel Academy.


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Nicholas II / Re: Nicolas II, first unofficial Nobel Peace Prize
« on: June 17, 2018, 06:27:28 AM »
I am not talking about the real Nobel Peace Prize. It did not exist in 1898. But at his death, Alfred Nobel made a donation (only one) to the German Peace League (Deutsche Friedensgesellschaft founded in 1892).

This donation was to finance a prize (given only once).

Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson was not even a member of this company!

I'm not saying that Nicholas II was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize, he was awarded the prize of the German Peace League paid through a donation from Alfred Nobel.

Nicholas II never received the real Nobel Peace Prize. But your book talks about the real Nobel Prize (of which Bjornson was a member).

Those are two different things.

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I read that in The Life and Tragedy of Alexandra Feodorovna (Sophie Buxhoeveden), p. 224:

"There was nothing in the personal conduct of the Emperor that could shake his prestige, so the undercurrents began to be directed against the Empress, in the hope of weakening his position  through her. Besides the exploitation of the exaggerated tales of Rasputine's influence, the most was made of the Empress's German origin. Tales of her pro-German sympathies were invented and assiduously spread. Stories were circulated of her desire for a separate peace, rumours which could gain credence only in the public's total ignorance of the Empress's character."

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I believe that Nicholas II or Louis XVI (I do not like to make the comparison) have passed (unfairly), for incompetent.

Marie-Antoinette and Alexandra Feodorovna were considered "bad geniuses", dealing with things that did not concern them.

Nicholas II was "weak and helpless", Alexandra "dominant and haughty". The weak is always more sympathetic.

Of course there are also feminine prejudices: foolishness, frivolity, hysteria ... It's easier to find reproaches towards a woman, than to a man.

For my part, I really like Alexandra Feodorovna, like the whole imperial family. The mystery arouses gossip. Alexandra was too mysterious. Fortunately, we know her in her true light.

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Nicholas II / Re: Nicolas II, first unofficial Nobel Peace Prize
« on: June 15, 2018, 03:35:13 AM »
I specify that the League for Peace was founded by Bertha von Suttner and Alfred Herman Fried in 1892.

Ludwig Quidde was president later (1914-1929).

Link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Peace_Society

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