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Here is a marriage record for Otto and Clara. I'm hoping that someone may be able to translate this, as it may offer some more clues.



To see the image at full size, you can use this link:
http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/ottodekoetteritz.jpg

Thanks for any help!

There's no mention of a Clara in this clip?

From what I think I can read (do you have the pic in higher resolution, or the original url?) it's about Otto Adolph von Koetteritz, lieutenant of the Royal (Prussian?) army in the artillery guards, son of (Jonas??) Ernst Julius von Koetteritz, Chief lieutenant in the Imperial Russian Army, and Juliane Eleonore Montflarin.
Age 35 years and 1 month

Just saw this particular reply, so I'm sorry to be late in answering it. Here is a link that should show the clip larger:
http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/ottodekoetteritz.jpg

My father works with someone from Western Germany, and she and her mother say that this piece was written in the Eastern parts and seems to have some Polish characters in it.

Hi Sarah!

From what I see in this clip (which is only "the groom-part" if this is part of a marriage certificate) it's written in deutsche Kurrent ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurrent )  which indeed does look like it's written in some long-lost script from an ancient civilisation, but in fact it's all in German.
The link you gave is the same as in the original post, but do you know where it came from, it's original URL? If we can see the marriage certificate in its entirety I'm sure it will all become clear.

From this (somewhat fuzzy) clip I read:
"[H[e]rr] Otto Adolph v. Koetteritz, Köngl. …. Leutnant i.d. Guarde Artillerie, aus Brandenburg a.d.H. geb., Sohn der .... Herrn Ernst Julius von Koetteritz, Kais.  Russ. Oberstleutnant von ....  ...., und die Frau Juliane Eleonore geb. Montflarin, ...., 35 Jahr 1 Monat alt, ...."


JWK

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Here is a marriage record for Otto and Clara. I'm hoping that someone may be able to translate this, as it may offer some more clues.



To see the image at full size, you can use this link:
http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/ottodekoetteritz.jpg

Thanks for any help!

There's no mention of a Clara in this clip?

From what I think I can read (do you have the pic in higher resolution, or the original url?) it's about Otto Adolph von Koetteritz, lieutenant of the Royal (Prussian?) army in the artillery guards, son of (Jonas??) Ernst Julius von Koetteritz, Chief lieutenant in the Imperial Russian Army, and Juliane Eleonore Montflarin.
Age 35 years and 1 month

Oh, and he was born in Brandenburg a.d.H. (Brandenburg an der Havel  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_an_der_Havel)

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Here is a marriage record for Otto and Clara. I'm hoping that someone may be able to translate this, as it may offer some more clues.



To see the image at full size, you can use this link:
http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/ottodekoetteritz.jpg

Thanks for any help!

There's no mention of a Clara in this clip?

From what I think I can read (do you have the pic in higher resolution, or the original url?) it's about Otto Adolph von Koetteritz, lieutenant of the Royal (Prussian?) army in the artillery guards, son of (Jonas??) Ernst Julius von Koetteritz, Chief lieutenant in the Imperial Russian Army, and Juliane Eleonore Montflarin.
Age 35 years and 1 month

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Need help with Kapnist family
« on: April 23, 2013, 03:01:33 PM »
What I found is:

Peter Mykolayovych Kapnist, Colonel in the Imperial Russian Guard, no noble title noted
married
Catherine d'Allonville,  born after 1804 in Russia
daughter of  Armand-Francois d'Allonville, Marquis d'Allonville,  and Countess Catherine de Munnich  (They were married in Russia in 1804)

From  http://racineshistoire.free.fr/


Maybe it helps....

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BeNeLux Royalty / Re: Queen Juliana & Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands
« on: October 27, 2010, 02:57:43 PM »
And one more :

16th February 1948 : a guy from the Army Film and Photo Service (Not my father I might add) doing a photoshoot of the Prince.
The picture of the guy doing the photoshoot is probably made by my father, and the two underneath are from that exact same photoshoot.



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BeNeLux Royalty / Re: Queen Juliana & Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands
« on: October 27, 2010, 02:35:42 PM »
Princess Juliana and Prince Bernhard on "Binnenhof" in the Hague (=Parliament buildings), attending what looks like the Opening of Parliament ("Prinsjesdag", Third Tuesday of September) in 1947 (Cars were used in 1945 '46 and '47 as the "Golden Carriage" was deemed a little over the top for those bleak post-war years)
Picture most probably made by my father, who worked for the Army Photo Service at the time, and found in an old album.
Apologies for the less than perfect quality of the picture. Composition is spot on though I think.

I'm basing the date of 1947 on the car in the photograph -a different car was used for the Opening of Parliament in 1946- , but if anyone can correct me on this point : please do!


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A couple of years ago I came across this lovely creamer on eBay of all places, placed a bid and am now the proud owner of this:


and the marks on the bottom.

(Maker’s mark “BK” Vasily Kangin ?  (P-L 1245?)
Assayersmark for St Petersburg 1896 (Assayer “A.Sh” in cyrillic, unidentified assayer, Postnikova-Loseva # 1192 ), head facing left, and a later “875” Sovietmark.
Bottom rim, handle and spout are all marked with tiny St Petersburg coat of arms-mark.)

Can you tell me anything about this mr Vasily Kangin?
Judging from this little creamer, its perfect dimensions, and its silky feel to the fingers he must have been quite the master-silversmith.
But was he well known, or just a run-of-the-mill silversmith? Where did he live, did he own his own business or was he employed by others?
I can't find any substantial info on him on Google in western script, I'm sure there's lots more about him in cyrillic but alas I can only "read" cyrillic not "understand" it.....

I'm not too sure whether it really IS by Vasily Kangin, I have the Postnikova book and nr 1245 came nearest to the actual mark (apologies for the lousy picture of it, it's just impossible to accurately photograph a tiny (2 mm at the most) silvermark.

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BeNeLux Royalty / Re: Queen Beatrix Part II
« on: May 25, 2009, 04:11:51 PM »
And the President did arrive yes! Oh yes!  Hahaha!
I live (very) near the Noordeinde Palace (it's at the end of the canal) and this morning it was murder getting out of town, what with all the policed convoys driving to and thro, blocking all traffic.
I gathered they're holding a state banquet tonight, but coming home I did not have any delays, banquet must have started late.

It's great living here, on a canal in the centre of the Hague, but not much so when some dignitary is visiting (and staying at the Noordeinde Palace) and roads are blocked and you can't go anywhere. (Unless ofcourse you're the last car they let through and then you get a police-escort out of town: it's priceless, it's out of this world! Only happened once sadly, when the president of Argentina was visiting a couple of years ago, but we live in hope.... ;-)  )

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My sincere apologies for dragging such an old cow out of the ditch (as we would say in Holland, doesn't translate too well, now does it ?  ;-)  ) , anyway sorry for reviving such an old thread, but a few weeks ago I came across a pic of this toiletset on Flickr.
Saved it to my harddisk but forgot to save the link, so I'm afraid I have no clue who took them.
Will continue looking though, and credit them when I find it again .


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Found this on the website of the New York Public Library (Link)

"Pitcher. Sèvres porcelain. One of the pieces of the toilet set given by the queen Marie-Antoinette to the grand duchess Marie Féodorovna."



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News Links / Re: Dutch Romanov exhibition
« on: September 29, 2004, 02:21:30 PM »
Saw the exhibition this week, and wasn't really impressed with it.

Seeing the unimaginable amount of treasures they can choose from, they managed somehow to choose those that show just the tiniest glimpse of the life of the Romanovs.

I was lured to the museum by their claim "The exhibition presents the life of the last Csar and his wife", but I walked out not very much the wiser.

The setup is a bit too cramped, and what were the (fabulous)  Fabergé pieces (with the odd piece by other jewellers) doing in the room dedicated to the "State" life of the Romanovs ?

Glad I did go though, if only for the portrait of Zinaida Yussupov (fantastic - but she's not a Romanov), and the Fabergé.

And the link for the Hermitage, Amsterdam :  www.hermitage.nl   (with a brief overview of the exhibition)

JW

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It surprises me no-one has yet touched on this subject, so here goes !

Just finished this book. Now I’m not a great fiction-reader, as usually the “fiction”  to me is more like “science-fiction”, but this book is the exception ! A véry pleasant read. Once you start you can't put it down.

Well thought-through (and very important: believable) storyline, descriptive enough so you can make it visual in your own mind, flashbacks into Imperial and Soviet Russia that seem so real that you can’t help thinking these  situations actually happened (but you know it’s “just” fiction), and véry lifelike characters (“Can I wear Balençiaga to breakfast” (pg 232)  brought back happy memories! :))

Has anyone else read “Object of Virtue”, and if so what did yóu think of it ?

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The Final Chapter / Re: The Governor's House in Tobolsk
« on: August 26, 2004, 12:17:08 PM »
I cam across this link on one of my strolls on the WWW, the Library of Congress :

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/pp/mdbquery.html

Search for : Kuklin
and up pop 2 pictures of the "Kuklin House" at Tobol'sk, one of the house itself, and one of "Nicholas' study".
According to the info on the website that's thè place

ps:  would have gladly posted the pictures on here, but they're protected by copyright !

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Imperial Russian History / Re: Dutch relatives of Nicholas II?
« on: August 23, 2004, 05:21:12 PM »
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The Dutch royal house and the Romanovs have a common ancestor: Maria Pavlovna (1795-1865), daughter of Paul I, was married to the Dutch crown prince and later King Willem II.



A subject close to my heart (well : close to me, at least : the Royal palace is down the street, and I can see the Peace Palace from where I sit) :  actually it wasn't Maria who got married to the Dutch Crown prince, the later King William II : it was her younger sister Anna, known in Holland as Anna Paulowna (Numerous streets across Holland are named after her, "Anna Paulowna street" leads to the Peace Palace, and there's even a village bearing her name). She died here in The Hague on 1st March 1865, and was interred  (on March 17th) in the Royal Family-vaults at the Nieuwe Kerk ("New Church") at Delft.

http://www.nieuwekerk-delft.nl/eng/   Go to ->  Royal bur. vaults.  Anna Paulowna is # 29

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Romanov and Imperial Russia Links / Genealogies of Noble families
« on: August 23, 2004, 03:16:31 PM »
Hi all,

for my first post: a Czech website with heeps of genealogies of European Royal and Noble families.
Very readable, very informative, and all in English.
I don't think it has been mentioned on this forum yet - but I can be wrong - in that case I humbly apologise :-X

http://genealogy.euweb.cz/

Ciao
JW

eeuuh : "heeps"  ??, make that : "heaps" pls. (Sorry 'bout that, English is only my 2nd language y'know)

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