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The Final Chapter / Re: Some errata for the final chapter
« on: February 17, 2018, 06:12:12 PM »
This is from the book "Remembering a Forgotten War" Serge Petroff a god book on the Russian Civil war in Siberia
25 July 1918 a Czech and White Russian force captured Ekaterinburg. it was commanded by Colonel S.N. Voitsekovsky. Who was one of the White army in Siberia's best field commanders. He was one of the youngest Russian army staff college graduates. He has been described as decisive and having nerves of steel. In 1917 he was the chief of Staff of the 2nd Czech Division. He was later promoted to general and commanded a division, corps and army of the White forces in Siberia. On 25 jan 1920 when General Kappel died he became the commander of what was left of most the White Armies in Siberia and led them to Chita. There he had a falling out with warlord grigory Semenov and resigned. He went to the new state of Czechoslovakia and joined the Czech army. He became a general and commanded the Brno military district and retired in 1939 which is when Germany took over the rest of Czechoslovakia. He was arrested by the NKVD in 1945 and died in the Gulag at Vorkuta in 1954 age 71.

Remembering a Forgotten War Serge Petroff is on the Russian Civil war in Siberia 1918-1920.

Imperial Transportation / Re: Imperial Train
« on: February 09, 2018, 05:38:55 PM »
When the US Root Mission named after its head Elihu Root arrived at Vladivostok. The Russians sent the former Imperial train there to transport it to Petrograd. This is from the book" Russia in War and Revolution General William v Judson accounts from Petrograd 1917-1918" Edited by Neil V Salzman. Judson writes "I have the boudoir and bed of the Grand Duchess Tatia (sic) and in the reception room of our dining car it was that the czar signed his abdication."

Russia in War and Revolution General William V Judson's accounts from Petrograd 1917-1918 edited by Neil V Salzman A account of the head of the US military mission to Russia 1917-1918 Judson's letters, diary entrys and official reports of someone "Caught in the Revolution"

Having Fun! / Re: Romanov story
« on: February 09, 2018, 05:14:24 PM »
Sorry for being a historical pain :( infant.a The Czech legion was the best fighting force on the White side at this time in Siberia. there were a lot White Russians with them when they captured Ekaterinburg who sometimes get left out.

Having Fun! / Re: Romanov story
« on: February 08, 2018, 08:09:38 PM »
The Czech legion as Ann mentions did wear Russian Khaki, KUK grey and some civilian. For identification they wore a white/Red ribbon in their caps. They also had a sleeve patch. The White Siberians used a White over green patch from July 1918. The White forces in Siberia used a White over green flag. The RKKA Workers and Peasants Red Army some units had a red star in their caps worn point down in 1918. and point up afterwards. They also wore a red diagonal band in their caps for the people who could get red stars of which there were more than a few in 1918.

Russia after March 1917 became a arms and ammo depot without a government. There were plenty to go round so lets have Tatania getting shot in the leg. Olga bandages her up and the whole party grabs some stuff quickly and runs for it because there are people after them. Dmitri might want to give his rifle, haversack and bread bag to Maria so he can carry Tatania. The party goes a few versts and stops for a quick break. Ivan has the others slip into the woods while he continues on the trail for about half a verst dropping a bloody bandage then he walks backwards a few hundred meters gets off the trail and backtracks an meets up with the rest.
 A verst is about a kilometer.

The book "Woodcraft" by EH Kreps written in 1919 is on both the Guttenberg press and for those who want to know about building a log cabin, fire starting ect.

In the Russian Civil war the country was big the armies were small and there were large areas of the front that were thinly held so slipping past the reds would be no problem. In meeting the Czechs OTM spoke Russian, French and English and I believe Maria did start learning some german in 1917-18. The Czechs did know some german and learned Russian. it should be pointed  out in the Austro-Hungarian Empire something like 14 languages were spoken. Add to this in at least one regiment the main language used was English. The officers learned it in school the enlisted men learn it because they planned on emigrating to a English speaking country. After having problems trying to communicate with the Czechs in Russian or German. OTM says something in English and a Czech soldier would had lived in the US replys in New York City American English.

Having Fun! / Re: Romanov story
« on: February 02, 2018, 09:00:57 PM »
Glad to of help Tim

I got most of my info on how to live in the woods from Fur-Fish-Game magazine see  furfishgame,com

I would also say the man had a garden and as Ann points out he would have had a least one rucksack and one or more haversacks. He would also have a few leghold traps and snares. Fur trapping is a big business in Siberia. He would also have a bottle or two of moonshine.

Navagating in the woods as Ann points out is difficult being officers Dmitri and Ivan would have had compasses but accurate maps of large parts of the Russian Empire didn't exist back then. Note in Soviet times a regular road map as we have in the US was a classified document. I would say this group would try heading northeast at first then head east for White Russian lines.

the condition of OTM at this time:
Olga looked sad, tired, weak and thin in the weeks before the murder. The murder of the rest even though she got away would of shook her up even worse. Getting wounded sure didn't help her. She is going to be a woman on the edge.

Tatania: She was naturally thin to begin with. The last weeks in the house she looked even thinner. However "the Governess" is still able to take charge and get things done. If she was hit with an arrow and it didn't hit bone there wasn't much meat to her it would have gone through. Also note this in not a western movie. People hit by arrows in the leg have problems walking for awhile even after the arrow is removed.

Maria: was still in her last weeks as strong as any man. She would have been shook up about the death of the others. She will be a big help in helping her two sisters along and doing any heavy work.

On drinking water in the woods as the man said about Norway yes there are places where the water is safe to drink. Like spring water right out of the ground. There are also lakes in places like the Boundry Waters Canoe Area where I believe you can drink water right out of the lakes there if you go out in the middle of one of them

Having Fun! / Re: Romanov story
« on: January 31, 2018, 04:58:23 PM » has FM 21-76 Survival, the US military's survival manual. I would say Dmitri and Ivan would know a lot on how to live off the land being soldiers and having to live in a country that has fallen apart. Ivan could have a peasant background.

What they would be wearing and have with them

Dmitri and Ivan army uniforms rifles, most likely each would have a pistol on them. If they took part in rescue mission they would have some hand grenades. canteen haversack and bread bag. Hip flasks which many men and some women carried back then.

OTM they usually wore a long dark skirt with a white silk blouse and boots.

I don't think they would bother with a tent. Its just to big to carry around especially if you are on the run. the men would have their overcoats and they could have picked up some blankets somewhere. I also don't think they would stay long at the cabin if they are on the run. They would bury the man boil some water, get some food and a few other things and keep going.

Having Fun! / Re: Romanov story
« on: January 31, 2018, 04:39:45 PM »
Boiling water is always recommended from what I have read in US outdoor magazines like Field & Stream, Outdoor Life and Fur Fish game. These are people who live in Alaska Canada and the northern US. One account a man fell in a clear trout stream got a mouth full of water and had a bad case of Beaver Fever as they say for 3 weeks vomiting and dysentery.

On cabins in the woods people who live in them are usually busy in the summer getting food for the winter they also chop a lot of fire wood. A small cabin for one man would probably be just one room containing a bed, a fireplace or stove, a table, and a chair. It would be stocked with food, clothes, pots, and pans.  There would be a lot of firewood outside, a garden, most likely a shed for more food and spare stuff in case the cabin catches fire which does happen in winter. There would be a least a shot gun and possibly a rifle in the cabin. I don't think Tatania would bother adjusting the shirt she would put in on as is. Olga would put one on too since the only thing it looks like she is wearing is on top is Tatania's white silk blouse. I don't think the cabin would have had more than one or two pillows. This is from reading accounts over the years in the above magazines about people who live out in the woods in the US and Canada.

Having Fun! / Re: Romanov story
« on: January 25, 2018, 10:00:28 PM »
Any outdoorsman will tell you that you always boil water from ponds, rivers ect. in the wild no matter how clear the stream looks the water will in a lot of cases give you some thing you don't want.

A cabin in the wood in Siberia should have pots, pans, jars, cups ect along with some food, tools clothes ect even if it was looted. Time for these people to stock up on supplies and gear.

An arrow in Siberia in 1918???? 1718 or 1818 yes 1918 no way. and taking one out of Tatiana's leg is something Dr Botkin would have problems doing let alone Olga.

For TimM on your posting Black Future the Germans called insurgents partisans later in 1942 they were ordered to refer to them as Bandits see "The Soviet Partisan movement 1941-1944 PAM 20-244

Having Fun! / Re: Operation Rod of Iron: AU fic
« on: January 24, 2018, 03:10:07 PM »
The man who kept Moscow's power on all through the revolutions and Civil war got purged by Stalin at a later date.

As for using ships to supply electrical power the US Navy did it during the drought of late 1929/early 1930 the aircraft carrier USS Lexington CV-2 which had a turbo-electric propulsion system supplemented the electricity of Tacoma , Washington

Having Fun! / Re: Operation Rod of Iron: AU fic
« on: January 22, 2018, 07:19:57 PM »
The book "The Murder of Rasputin" V purishkevich states the Warsaw Station telephone booth was where a call diverting people was made.

Also note back then if you made a long distance telephone call you often had to yell for the other person to hear you

If a hotel in perm had a telephone in the room they would most likely be the best hotel in town and only in the best rooms and you most likely would have had to go through a switchboard.

I would also like to point out many rural homes in Germany did not have electricity in WW I. They had to use oil lamps and no oil in WW I means no light.

Many US farmers did not get electricity until the 1930s and 40s

A problem the Russians had in WW I is sometime their soldiers would cut down telegragh poles for firewood

In 1919 Russia candles and matches were in short supply in the red held areas.

Having Fun! / Re: Operation Rod of Iron: AU fic
« on: January 17, 2018, 05:58:10 PM »
The telephone booth info can be found on wiki. In Russia I believe in the book "Russian Hussar" the author mentions he could make a call from Moscow to St Petersburg but he had to go to the telephone exchange to do it. I believe there was another account I read of a Russian officer who arrived in Kiev port the February revolution looked a friends address in the directory called them from a phone. he didn't mention if it was a pay phone or not. Post February 1917 is when things fell apart in the Russian Empire. A city like Perm would have been way behind St Petersburg.

On don't try these in real life Nic. They may give you some ideas
FM 5-31 Booby Traps
TC 5-31 Viet Cong Booby Traps

Having Fun! / Re: Operation Rod of Iron: AU fic
« on: January 15, 2018, 08:59:31 PM »
White Phosphorus was around back then and does burn but I don't think anyone would recommend it for a hit like this.

Street Lights and phone booths. I don't know if they had either in Perm at this time and if they did they would not be working. In all the pictures ect of Ekaterinberg I didn't notice any. This is a country devastated by war, revolution and civil war. nothing worked

Safe house complaints: The team would have been happy to have had a roof over their heads that didn't leak when it rains, 4 walls and no furnishing except a crate or two to sit on.

Sukhorukov if he thought his life might be in danger he would have at least one bodyguard. he would not go out unless he had a few or several. he would also either sleep in a safe place or would of had his room guarded.

Books about the Romanovs and Imperial Russia / Re: Upcoming Books 2016
« on: January 15, 2018, 08:49:05 PM »
Philip Jordan mentioned in the book "Caught in the Revolution" there is an article on him in History today magazine march 1978 with more quotes from him.

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