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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: Grand Duke Ludwig IV
« on: January 09, 2014, 06:04:00 PM »
I just read something new about Louis and Madame Kolemine - evidently they had son.  He was born toward the end of 1884 in Venice, after Louis and Madame Kolemine had been forced to separate.  The little boy was sent to Russia at some point to be with the family of his half sisters (Alix and Ella) and became an officer in the Russian army.  I have no idea of his name or what became of him.  My sources are David Duff's The Shy Princess (his biography of Beatrice) and this magazine article:

This is news to me if it is indeed true.  Does anyone know what happened to him?

BeNeLux Royalty / Re: Queen Beatrix Part II
« on: January 31, 2013, 08:17:02 PM »
This is also the anniversary of a giant, deadly storm that hit the Netherlands in the 1950s.  Queen Juliana visited many of the heavily affected area, helping survivors with food and clothing relief.  While it helped establish her mother's reputation as a capable and caring monarch, I'll bet Beatrix felt awful to share her birthday with the anniversary of such a terrible event.

The Greek Royal Family / Re: Princess Irene of Greece (1904-1974)
« on: January 10, 2013, 02:32:54 PM »
Yes, if the name was Sophia or Sofia, it would be the Greek version. My remark was made to the effect that if any of the princesses were named Sophie instead, it would seem to indicate being named after the Queen.

When I went and looked, it seems that the later Greek princesses (Alice's daughter and King Paul's daughter) were named Sofia/Sophia according to the Online Gotha.

King Paul's daughter, Queen Sofia of Spain, was named after her grandmother, Queen Sophie of Greece. The queen said this during an interview several years ago.

In any case, Queen Sophie was known in Greece as Sofia/Sophia, the Greek version of her name, not Sophie.

Queen Sofia of Spain was known among her family as Sophie, and was also referred to as Sophie in in press reports before her marriage.  I don't believe she was ever officially known as Sophie in Greece.

Is Grand Duke Jean still in good health?

I hope so. He sounds a very decent man, and was apparently very proud of being the only foreigner to take part in Trooping the Colour!


I believe he is in good health for someone who is 92 years young!  He obviously inherited the longevity common in his Portuguese roots, as have many of his cousins and siblings. 

The Greek Royal Family / Re: Princess Irene of Greece (1904-1974)
« on: January 05, 2013, 04:46:13 PM »
I wonder since I never read or heard if Princess Irene was named after her aunt-by marriage Irene of Hesse, since Royals name their children after relations or after the Saint Irene? like her cousin Marina was named after the popular Greek Saint Marina.

also and a bit off topic, the little Princess Elisabeth of Hesse, she died in 1903, and her mother was close friends (also first cousin and later sister-in-law) with Elena Vladimirovna, was Elisabeth of Greece was named after the late little Hessian Princess?

I believe the fact that the second Irene of Greece was born during WWII and her family's exile in South Africa helped determine her name.  As Eric mentions, the name does mean "peace," and Irene of Hesse (born during the Austro-Prussian War) was given her name because of this.  The same can be said for Irene of the Netherlands, who was born at the beginning of WWII. 

To my knowledge, the first Irene of Greece wasn't born around or during any wars in which Greece was involved, so that may not have influenced her name.  Was Irene of Hesse one of the younger Irene's godparents?  She was a cousin and sister-in-law to Sophie. 

Iberian Royal Families / Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
« on: December 31, 2012, 08:37:39 PM »
It was a very long time in coming, involving literally *years* worth of discussion among Franco, the Duke of Barcelona, Juan Carlos, and many others.  Franco eventually opened up to restoring Spain's monarchy, but never got on particularly well with the Duke of Barcelona.  Although he liked Juan Carlos very much, Franco also considered Alfonso, Duke of Cadiz as Spain's next monarch; Alfonso married Franco granddaughter. 

At the time of Juan Carlos' marriage to Sophia, the Duke of Barcelona was adamant that he was the heir to the monarchy.  Juan Carlos made it clear that he would not challenge his father's claim.  Eventually, the Duke of Barcelona relented, seeing that as Juan Carlos had Franco's affection, the monarchist cause would be executed far more successfully with Juan Carlos as the heir.  The Duke of Barcelona formally renounced his claim to the Spanish throne in 1977, nearly two years after his son became king.

Franco wished to groom Juan Carlos as very conservative successor, much in his own likeness.  Juan Carlos played along for a few years as Franco's health gradually became worse.  If Franco suspected that Juan Carlos was anything but completely supportive, he never let on.  After Franco's death, Juan Carlos began the work at bringing Spain out of a fascist state.

The Windsors / Re: Possible brides for QV's sons
« on: October 11, 2012, 10:39:52 PM »
Thank you very much for clearing that up. :-)

I have always found it strange that Princess Helena was so much against Leopold marrying Caroline Mathilde "Calma" of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg. I don't understand why.

Any more details please? :)

Calma was Prince Christian's niece.  After her father's death in 1878, Christian was Calma's guardian, so Leopold should have easily gained his brother-in-law's blessing to marry her.  However, Helena and Christian began to speak of Calma's father forbidding the marriage before his death, although no mention of a union between the two had come about until after his death.  Most likely, Helena and Christian were concerned about Leopold's precarious health and the likelihood that he'd leave Calma a widow. 

As it turned out, Leopold did leave his wife a very young widow, but I'm sure it was really hurtful for him to be turned down for Calma by his own sister and brother in law.  Leopold's son eventually married one of Calma's daughters.

The Wittlesbachs / Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
« on: July 15, 2012, 10:22:20 PM »
True - however, the fact that twins were in at least two generations (twice in the second generation) is remarkable, and there were other twins among Caroline's cousins.

The Wittlesbachs / Re: Queen Caroline of Bavaria
« on: July 12, 2012, 10:18:37 PM »
The incidence of fraternal twin births tend to run in families.  Caroline was a twin herself; her twin sister Catherine Amalie did not marry.  It doesn't seem to be documented whether the sisters were fraternal or identical twins.

Caroline gave birth to two sets of identical twins.  The first set - Elizabeth Louise and Amalie Auguste - were married to Frederick William IV of Prussia and John of Saxony, respectively.  The second set - Maria Anna and Sophie - were married to Frederick II Augustus of Saxony and Archduke Franz Karl of Austria, respectively.  A fifth daughter, Ludovika, married Maximilian Joseph in Bavaria.  Son Maximilian and daughter Maximiliana died in childhood.

The fact that Caroline gave birth to two (reportedly) identical sets of twins is remarkable indeed.  The fact that she herself was a twin raises the question as to whether this was a one in a million fluke, or was a hereditary trait?

The Windsors / Re: Leopold and Helen, the Duke and Duchess of Albany
« on: March 12, 2012, 09:44:23 PM »


'Actually, Leopold was the inspiration for little Fritte, who also born with "the royal disease". He was devastated when his young nephew died from a fall. They had hoped that he would live as long as Leopold did. So Alix had seen how hemophilia kills.'

Alexandra was less than a year old when her brother died, so could not have remembered him.

The cucumber frame incident with Leopold is in 'The German Woman', though I've not seen it elsewhere.


I don't have the book at hand, but I believe I read about it in Charlotte Zeepvat's book on Leopold.  I'm not sure I've heard of The German Woman.

The Windsors / Re: Arthur & Louise, Duke and Duchess of Connaught
« on: March 12, 2012, 09:42:36 PM »
That's really interesting, thank you eejm!

No problem!  :)

Louise Margaret died of a combination of bronchitis, measles, and influenza - specifically the Spanish Flu that killed millions during WWI.  She was one very sick lady when she passed away.  :(

The Windsors / Re: Leopold and Helen, the Duke and Duchess of Albany
« on: March 11, 2012, 06:13:43 PM »
Didn't Alix fall off of some fencing meant for vine cucumbers or tomatoes while she was playing with her uncle Leopold?  She was apparently still wearing the bracelet he gave her when she was killed.

The Windsors / Re: Arthur & Louise, Duke and Duchess of Connaught
« on: March 11, 2012, 06:03:44 PM »
On wikipedia it states that the Duchess of Connaught was the first member of the Royal Family to be cremated. Is this true or are they confusing her with her sister-in-law Princess Louise?

Both were cremated.  I didn't know that Louise Margaret was until recently myself. 

Here's the source:  (Who knew there was an encyclopedia devoted specifically to cremation?)

BeNeLux Royalty / Re: Grand Duchess Charlotte of Luxemburg
« on: February 28, 2012, 10:16:49 PM »
At the time of their wedding, the marriage of Charlotte and Felix of Parma was deeply unpopular.  The effects of WWI on the duchy (Marie Adelaide's abdication, the German occupation, etc.) and Felix's position in the Austrian army was most certainly not well-received.  Evidently there was a large crowd gathered at the cathedral before the wedding, but most of the people in the crowd watched the procession of the couple "in silence."  Ouch.

Does anyone know how long it look for Charlotte to be received in the country as ruler and Felix as consort?  It seems as though the couple were fairly steady, if a bit obscure.

BeNeLux Royalty / Re: Grand Duchess Charlotte of Luxemburg
« on: November 22, 2011, 10:30:51 PM »
Did Elisabeth attend Laval University in Quebec City?  I know she attended high school there (at the Collège Jésus-Marie) during WWII with her cousin, Elisabeth of Austria.  The school was (and perhaps still is) associated with Laval.  Future Grand Duke Jean attended Laval, as did several of Zita's children. 

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