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Imperial Succession and the Throne / Re: taking away the family name
« on: January 20, 2005, 04:26:13 PM »
The Vladimirovicii have no leg to stand on when trying to disqualify the marriages of their Romanov relatives.

The marriages in question did, indeed, qualify under the Romanov marriage rules. The decsendant are entitled to the Romanov name.

"Given the increasing difficulty of enforcing this clause in an ever growing family, under the Emperor Nicholas II an Imperial Ukase no. 1489 dated 11 August, 1911 (24 August, 1911) was issued which modified clause 188 but only for Princes and Princesses of the Imperial House namely great grandchildren and onwards of a reigning Emperor.

This modification allowed Princes and Princesses of the Imperial House to contract marriages with individuals of "good standing" but not necessarily of equal birth. The rule pertaining to Grand Dukes and Grand Duchesses and their obligation to contract marriages with individuals of equal birth remained in force.

This Ukase of 1911 was inacted in time for the Princess Tatiana Constantinovna of Russia to marry Constantine Alexandrovich Prince Bagration-Mukhransky who was not of equal rank."

The above was excerpted from:

The Greek Royal Family / Re: Help with Identification
« on: January 20, 2005, 03:49:51 PM »
As for Katherine, she was quite pretty, but does not seem to resemble either Sophie or Tino to me, wierd.

Oddly, she reminds me of Queen Marie of Romania or her sister, Victoria Melita. Also, I see some resemblance to Elisabeth of Hesse-Darmstadt- especially in the eyes & the nose.

The Danish Royal Family / Re: Princess Thyra's Illegitimate Daughter
« on: January 20, 2005, 12:11:10 PM »
I'd like to know more about Princess Thyra. She's the gap in my readings on the Family. Any suggestions as to good books on the subject?

Princess, bearing illegitimate children, was more frequent than is now believed. Their subsequent treatment depended upon individual circumstances. European society was blessed with an amazing capacity to rationalise or to "forget".

Marie of Mecklenburg-Strelitz found three powerful champions: her grandmother (Dowager GD Augusta, born Princess of Great Britain), Mary of Teck (then Duchess of York), and ultimately Queen Victoria. All three ladies stood by her and cowed would-be detractors into silence. Society generally held that the young duchess had either been drugged, terrorised, or (in the novel opinion of the future George V) hypnotised.
reference: Queen Mary; James Pope-Hennessy; pp.339-343

Also, the last Queen Consort of Naples (born Maria, Duchess in Bavaria) gave birth to an illegitimate daughter several years after her husband was deposed. Very few people knew about it at the time. The baby was secretly delivered at a convent & adopted out. Those who knew simply "forgot" about the situation.

A mystery novel was published within the last year or so. The plot turned revolved around a reel of film that purported to show the execution of the Imperial Family.

Supposedly, Lenin commissioned a young film maker to record the whole execution. Obviously, Lenin wanted this as proof that the family was dead.

The novel is fiction, of course. It's an intriguing idea, though. The film medium did exist then. The Soviets were open to all sorts of new gadgetry.

Is it vaguely possible that such a film exists, or did exist?

Here's a link for the technical connections between the Kassel, Darmstadt, and other Hessian families. The root site is a wonderful treasure for genealogical data on all of the European royal families, btw.

Just point & click on Hesse-Philippsthal-Barchfeld.

In all of my readings, I don't recall many references to this family. It doesn't sound as though they interacted very closely with the major branches. I could be wrong, however.

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