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Rasputin / Re: Did Rasputin plan...
« on: April 05, 2005, 03:53:59 PM »
Oh no. I didn't say that. I said they *might* have been saved. With Rasputin so defacing the Imperial family, they were destined to disaster; without his input, they may have lived on.

I personally think that Nicholas II made a poor tsar, and he did not help himself. The Imperial family do not seem to have know *how* to help themselves, from what I can tell. Take the Duma, for example. That could have helped them, but Nicholas made it a failure.

I agree, Rasputin was not the only factor. However, I do think he was a major factor.

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Rasputin / Re: Did Rasputin plan...
« on: April 05, 2005, 03:19:09 PM »
He influenced the Empress for the worse. That didn't help either. Nor did his taking over of court life... One could go on. At any rate, it's only too bad he was not assassinated sooner, or the Imperial family might have been saved.

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The Russian Revolution / Re: No Stalin, no Hitler?
« on: April 05, 2005, 03:09:26 PM »
But, bear in mind, Hitler regime ended in 1945. Stalin was in power for longer, and the affects of his rule were to last for decades.

Maybe I am going down the path of which results were worse... You're right, Elisabeth; Hitler killed the Jews because they were Jews. Stalin generally killed those who were a threat to him. Then again the millions that died in the famine were innocents. I don't think I'd be as charitable to Stalin. ;)

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Rasputin / Re: Did Rasputin plan...
« on: April 05, 2005, 02:55:57 PM »
He wrecked the image of the Imperial family. That didn't help things. ::)

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Lol, you do make it sound like nonsense too! ;D I know what you mean, but what made me think he shouldn't be too quickly brushed aside was his naming of sources. If those are real people, then their words would be significant.

Also, I couldn't help thinking that the authorities would never be so concerned about him unless he was worth being concerned about, if you see what I mean! I don't possess the book, so you'll have to fill me in if I'm wrong.

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The Russian Revolution / Re: No Stalin, no Hitler?
« on: April 05, 2005, 02:23:43 PM »
Good points. :)

I'd be inclined to say Stalin was worse. For example, the famine that he created killed more people than we will ever know for sure. And that was just one atrocity. Altogether, he killed more people than Hitler, and the cult that surrounded him lasted for many years after his death. In addition, he brainwashed at least one generation with his ideas.

On the other hand, Hitler started a war that spread all the way round the globe, destroying not only the lives of his own people and those in neighbouring countries, but that of people worldwide. American, African and Indian troops died in WW2. In addition, he totally wrecked the economy and structure of Germany, leaving it in a situation that could have turned out as disastrous as post-WW1 Germany.

Still, I would tend to think that Hitler was individually resopnsible for WW2, while Stalin was just a successor to the Bolsheviks who first took over Russia...

It's not an easy question!


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Having Fun! / Re: what romanov would u have liked to have known?
« on: April 05, 2005, 01:01:35 PM »
Dowager Empress Marie, Grand Duchess Xenia and the Tsarevich, I think!

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The Russian Revolution / No Stalin, no Hitler?
« on: April 05, 2005, 12:26:12 PM »
Josef Stalin or Adolf Hitler?

Hitler seems to be regarded as THE example of cruelty and tyranny. Do you think he was worse than Stalin?

(I hope this isn't out of place on this board.)

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Maybe he didn't have hemophilia. I, too, have read otherwise.

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The Final Chapter / Re: Escape
« on: April 05, 2005, 12:11:38 PM »
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It does seem incredible that they just remained so passive and expected their "friends" to do all the work for them.


They really do seem to have been living in a different world; if they really thought and acted the way the books say they did, they behaved as foolishly as children.

But then, remember the Dowager Empress; she was loathe to leave Russia and at first refused to go. Yet I would not call her a foolish woman.

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Rasputin / Re: Did Rasputin plan...
« on: April 05, 2005, 11:54:40 AM »
Some book I read - can't remember which, as I've read too many about the Imperial family. :P

If he didn't plan to do it, do you still think he was a major factor in it?

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Rasputin / Did Rasputin plan...
« on: April 05, 2005, 11:48:52 AM »
...the fall of the Imperial family, or at least the tsar at the time?

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This could already have been mentioned, but I'm new here, so I wouldn't know!

What are your opinions of Michael Gray's claim to be the son of the tsarevich? From the little I have gathered on here so far, the generally held view is that the whole family died...

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