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I found the book quite interesting. The "other" woman included is Anna Leopoldovna, Regent for her son Ivan VI Antonovich.

Does anyone in this forum ever saw that article in the Spanish magazine "Hola" about the women claiming to be GD Anastasia who died in Russia in 1971? The article included many pictures of the real Romanovs, and one of the claimant, whose name I don't recall. It was an issue of "Hola" published soon before Infante Elena's wedding to Don Jaime de Marichalar, who were in the cover pic of the magazine.

The Windsors / Re: the windors claim to the throne
« on: April 29, 2004, 11:48:56 PM »
What happens if someone descending from the Roman Catholic branches excluded (in 1701 I think) from the British line of succession gives up Roman Catholicism and joins the Church of England? Would he/she be an acceptable candidate to marry someone already in the line? I guess yes, since the only condition now is not being a Roman Catholic. But if the answer is yes, and given the fact that those lines are (genealogically) senior to the Windsors, what would be the position of the children from such a marriage in the line of succession?

Servants, Friends and Retainers / The dear Ossorgin (?)
« on: April 29, 2004, 11:36:18 PM »
In a letter of Empress Aleksandra to Anna Aleksandrovna Virubova, sent from Tobolsk and included in Virubova's memoirs, the Empress says "How sad dear Ossorgin is dead! Who, apart from her, has been murdered?". Does anyone knows who this Ossorgin lady may have been?

Imperial Succession and the Throne / Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« on: April 29, 2004, 11:25:43 PM »
What happens if George Mikhailovich (Maria v.'s son) dies childless or decides to marry a commoner and give up his rights? According to their branch, who would be the next in line? the issue of Maria Kirilovna and Charles of Leiningen?

The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: Anna Anderson and Anastasia
« on: April 29, 2004, 11:18:19 PM »
What about Queen Sophia and Juan Carlos of Spain? I think they got married in an Orthodox Church in Athens (I recall a pic of them with the marriage crowns about their heads), so I guess she was still Orthodox. And if she was -did the Roman Catholic Church allows a Roman Catholic to get married in a non Catholic ceremony? Was there a Roman Catholic ceremony also? I would be very thankful if some of our friends from Spain in this forum could provide some details  about this.

Is there any record about N & A's behaviour to Kiril V. and Victoria F.'s daughters?

The Yussupovs / Re: Felix Yusupov and Grand Duke Dmitriy Pavlovitch
« on: April 29, 2004, 10:47:05 PM »
Wasn't F. F. himself who first wrote about his youth indiscretions? So, how could a relative complain about others repeating what he told?

Palaces in St. Petersburg / Re: St Petersburg palaces to be privatised
« on: April 26, 2004, 11:52:55 PM »
The Tsar's deposit at the Mendelssohn Bank in Berlin were actually paid out to N & A's relatives in 1938. In the 1950's, Mrs. Anderson's lawyers chose to accuse only one, Duchess Barbara of Mecklenburg (grandaughter of Princess Irene), because they wanted to confine the case to the boundaries of West Germany. So the final veredict didn't deal with Natasha Brassova or her issue, nor with any other heir, because it had been concentrated in Duchess Barbara, who was allowed to keep her share of the micro-inheritance.

If there was such a long trial for a very small amount of money (even if the real question was AA's identity), I can't think of what could be a case dealing with real stuff. I guess thats why the Russian government has chosen not to open the gates... yet.

Tatiana Nicholaievna / Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
« on: April 26, 2004, 07:53:20 PM »
I wondered about Paul Voronov several years ago, when I read "The Hunt for the Czar", by Guy Richards, a book written to support the claim of Michal Goleniewski to be Tsarevich Aleksey Nikolaievich. The edition I have (London 1977) includes a list of 31 illustrations, the 31th being "The Cazarevich Alexei and Paul Voronov" -however, the actual illustrations end with the 30th, and the 31th is simply not included. The text mentions Voronov only once (p. 170), saying:

"He (Clark R. Mollenhoff, a Pulitzer prize-winning investigative reporter) would be ideally suited to ask the CIA why it never questioned the four men now in the United States who knew the real Alexei N. Romanov well and were in a position to determine whether Goleniewski is he. They are Kyril de Shishmarev; Count Alexis Buxhoeveden, cousin to Baroness Buxhoeveden, the Empress Alexandra's lady in waiting; and two officers on the Czar's yacht Standart -Baron George Taube and Paul Voronov."

Does anyone knows more about Voronov -where he lived, when he passed away, etc.?

Palaces in St. Petersburg / Re: St Petersburg palaces to be privatised
« on: April 26, 2004, 12:28:55 PM »
I very much agree with Lisa and Melissa. However, I wonder if the conditions in Russia and the Baltic republics are the same. In most Eastern European countries, properties were stolen once -in the 1940's. In the USSR things were different. As far as I know, in the early revolutionary days, the Bolsheviks enacted (not because of their kindness or ideology, but for political circumstances) a land reform who seized huge estates and divided them among the peasants who worked there and other people. At least, that was what happened in the Ukraine. In the 1930's, the victims of Stalin's policies were those new land owners, labeled as "kulaks" -not the original ones, who were already dead, exiled, or trying to survive in a hostile "brave new world". So -who would be the "rightful" owners? May be the palaces were not distributed among retainers -but what about all the other properties -estates, dachas, buildings, houses?

About what could be considered Nikolai II's personal property, I would like to know if that deals in anyway with who should be the "rightful" heir of the non-existant throne. If we are talking about "personal" property here, I guess it should go back to those persons who have a more direct family link with him -his sisters' grandchildren, for instance. That was the case with the Berlin bank deposits in 1938 which started the "Anastasia" legal claims. As far as I remember, no one linked the claim (in legal terms) with the rights to the throne.

In a Spanish magazine, "Hola", there was an article (1996 I think) about that woman, including several pictures and letters by her, including some addressed to King George V and (I think) Anna Aleksandrovna Virubova.  The article also deals with an "Aleksey" who was in a prisoners camp in the late1940's and passed away in 1970 or so.
May be you can write the magazine to ask about her or the article.

Grand Duchess Elizabeth Feodorovna / Books on Grand Duchess Elizabeth
« on: April 22, 2004, 11:26:58 AM »
I enjoyed the book and learned many new things -some of the Grand Duchess letters to her relatives are very interesting, and I also learned a lot about her work with the sick and poor in Moscow. However, may be you should know the book is written from an Orthodox, religious point of view, and as you may now we have some beliefs and thoughts that a non-Orthodox probably would not share or understand the same way. Anyway, I would certainly recommend the book.
Also the proper title says "martyr of Communist yoke", not "joke".  Sadly it was no joke at all...

The Imperial Family / Grand Duke Alexei Alexandrovitch
« on: April 18, 2004, 11:35:29 PM »
I've read GD Aleksey Aleksandrovich's only son (perhaps a legitimate one) was shot by the Bolsheviks in 1930-32. Does anyone knows more about his life and death? Even if he was not a GD or a prince, I wonder why he is never counted among the family members killed by the Communists. I also wonder about what happened to his children and grandchildren (he had a few) and where they may be now.

Thanks again Greg and Penny- Just finished reading "The end of the Romanovs", and I agree 100% with all you said. I simply feel the author is deeply resentful toward the Romanovs, mainly N & A, and thinks somehow they got what they deserved and asked for.
However, the book has some interesting information -I just wished the author would have said where did he got it from. Some sources he do mentions are quite unreliable, like Anna Aleksandrovna Virubova's alleged secret diary, which now is known to be a Bolshevik fabrication.
By the way, I found another mistake in the book -not an important one, but it may interest you: Alexandrov says Mrs. Virubova lived once in the Ipatiev house, because Grand Duchess Maria wrote her, "we are living in the same house where you once lived". However, checking other data on A. A. V., I found out that during a trip to Siberia she had actually stayed in the Governor's House in Tobolsk -so the letter from the Grand Duchess was simply sent from Tobolsk, not Ekaterinburg, where A. A. never lived.

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