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In UK usage, one starts with 'Your Majesty/Your Royal Highness' and goes to 'Sir/Ma'am', so perhaps Rodzianko starts with 'Your Imperial Highness' and goes to 'Madame'.

Yes, perhaps British and French usage is rather similar here:
First full style, then Sir(e) / monseigneur or Ma'am/ madame (though I can hardly imagine someone adressing a queen as mere madame!?). Whereas in German, Dutch and Scandinavian usage one never descends to such "informality". Instead of the full style one can adress the royal in the third person, either as in "If (His/Her) Imperial Highness allows...." or "If the Grand Duchess allows.....". In a German-influenced context, British and French usage (mein Herr König, meine Frau Königin) would seem feudal and medieval.

When looking it up, I see that there seems to be literary examples of a non-reigning Romanov adressed as Ваше Императорское Высочество /Your Imperial Highness) once first and then onwards as Ваше Высочество. But it would be interesting to know if royals also could be adressed as mere господин / госпожа in English fashion.

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Maria Nicholaievna / Re: GDss Marie and Louis "Dickie" Mountbatten
« on: September 19, 2013, 09:00:49 AM »
One adores the musical score in the intro combined with the rarely seen Battenberg arms!
Interestingly the sociolect of this Germano-Briton makes you assess how thoroughly (North) German Upper RP sounds with its non-rhoticity and close vowels.

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Great scenes and dialogues!
But would it be permissible to adress full-fledged members of the IF as mere "Your Highness" instead of "Your Imperial Highness"?

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http://www.ppe-agency.com/preview.php?start=0&id=105867&zoektype=2&search=16-09-2013 Scheveningen

Looks a tad Russian......

Indeed it does IvanVIII..lol...
Prachtig!

Het ceremonieel tenue van het Cavalerie Ere-Esorte is in feite het huzarenuniform dat in 1867 is ingevoerd. Kenmerkend voor het uniform zijn de atilla en de kolbak, die beide zijn afgeleid van de Hongaarse volksdracht.
, according to the unit's homepage.

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Imperial Claimants Post Here / Re: Claimants on YOUTUBE and other sites.
« on: September 16, 2013, 11:03:49 AM »
Indeed, these people would perhaps be charged with "desecrating the All-Russian national heritage" if they took a trip to the Russia of Putin, who always seems to be on the lookout for some fringe group he can persecute to stirr nationalist feeling.

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French Royals / Re: Books on French Royals
« on: September 13, 2013, 07:19:43 PM »
Anyone know any good books on the French aristocracy. Including things like debutantes, social season , ettiquette etc . All the ones I can find seem only ever find are only in French X

Well, I suggest you follow the example of the debutantes, for whom acquiering a smattering of French was de rigueur. Without, one is quite perdu!

À propos de perdu.... Proust is always a good, if random source of us et coutumes of Parisian high society during the Belle-Époque. Just consider what he has to say about the U and non-U pronunciation of the Bourbons' Austrian exile:

S'il n'y avait aucune affectation, aucune volonté de fabriquer un langage à soi, alors cette façon de prononcer était un vrai musée d'histoire de France par la conversation. « Mon grand-oncle Fitt-jam » n'avait rien qui étonnât, car on sait que les Fitz-James proclament volontiers qu'ils sont de grands seigneurs français, et ne veulent pas qu'on prononce leur nom à l'anglaise. Il faut, du reste, admirer la touchante docilité des gens qui avaient cru jusque-là devoir s'appliquer à prononcer grammaticalement certains noms et qui, brusquement, après avoir entendu la duchesse de Guermantes les dire autrement, s'appliquaient à la prononciation qu'ils n'avaient pu supposer. Ainsi, la duchesse ayant eu un arrière-grand-père auprès du comte de Chambord, pour taquiner son mari d'être devenu Orléaniste, aimait à proclamer : « Nous les vieux de Frochedorf ». Le visiteur qui avait cru bien faire en disant jusque-là « Frohsdorf » tournait casaque au plus court et disait sans cesse « Frochedorf ». (From Proust, Marcel. A la recherche du temps perdu. V : La Prisonnière.)

Methinks the U pronunciation is Austrian dialect, à la frohesch Fescht for frohes Fest?

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French Royals / Re: Jean d'Orléans, Duc de Guise (1874-1940) and his family
« on: September 13, 2013, 06:53:03 PM »
The duc de Guise wrote a charming little book about his time in the Danish army, now available online: Sous le Danebrog : souvenirs de la vie militaire en Danemark 1894-1899. It paints Christian IX's Denmark as an idyll straight out of a Hans Christian Andersen tale.

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Do we know of any foreign countries that Nicholas had planned to visit but never had the chance to? Trips that either were cancelled for one reason or another or perhaps destinations he longed to see but was never able to fit it into his schedule?

As Наследник Норвежский (Heir to Norway) and всея северныя страны Повелитель (Master of all the Northern Regions, similar to Finland's proposed Pohjolan isäntä), one imagines he was curious to visit Norway and the North Cape (perhaps even ancient Norwegian Arctic dominions like Greenland and Spitsbergen, made famous by Nansen), but unlike many of his royal contemporaries, he never did.

BTW did he ever visit Velikaya knyaginya Maria Pavlovna's homeland Mecklenburg, arguably the Western European country which ressembled Russia the most in terms of politics, economy and reactionary backwardness, but still being more prosperous, advanced and modernized than Russia, was a kind of model of what Russia could aspire to be, as NII's ideal agrarian autocracy.

1909   June               Sweden  (Stockholm). June 20-21
          July                Germany   (Kiel)
                                France     (Cherbourg)
                                England - Cowes Regatta
One presumes the Герцог Шлезвиг-Голстинский (Gertsog Schlesvig-Golsteinskiy) cruised through his ancestral duchies on the recently-built Kaiser-Wilhelm (Kieler) Canal on the trip from the Baltic to the North Sea?

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That other meeting also took place in Sweden. They stayed in Sweden till Olga's name day, July 24th, and then returned to Peterhof.
Wow, they stayed for a whole month?

That other meeting also took place in Sweden. They stayed in Sweden till Olga's name day, July 24th, and then returned to Peterhof.
BTW according to this Swedish popular history article, 1909 was also the year when Gustaf V received in audience (and made advances to) a 12 year old scout called Kurt Haijby, something which came back to kick his posthumous reputation in the a** (if you excuse the coarse pun!) in the 1950s.

One does start to wonder how the lecherous pedophile Gustaf V might have ogled the Tsesarevich if he had been some years older, not at least because Gustaf, who had been weak and sickly as a child, might have recognized something of himself in the boy....

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BeNeLux Royalty / Re: TM King Filip & Queen Mathilde of the Belgians
« on: September 13, 2013, 03:11:14 PM »
Love the term Blijde Intrede / Joyeuse Entrée!

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Ah, interesting, thank you! Here are some other Swedish contemporary sources about the visit, which otherwise was marked by the Social-Democratic mayor's order (eventually voted down in the city council) that the city should refuse to fly the flag from the city hall, in protest against the state visit of a "dictator and tyrann".

(Very interesting parallell with Obama! One could draw it even further, with Lenin visiting Stockholm for a Social-Democratic congress in 1907 and Julian Assange staying there some time ago.)

And that other meeting with Gustaf V, when they met on their yachts, did it take place on a Swedish or a Finnish island?

BTW NII's last visit to Finland was an official inspection visit to Helsinki in 1915. He was met with indifference.

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The Imperial Family / Re: Pronounciation
« on: September 12, 2013, 06:18:53 PM »
Good audio source for pronunciations in multiple languages: Forvo.

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Does anyone know if there is any truth to the story that the Emperor was the target of an assassination attempt when visiting Stockholm on the 26th of June 1909? The anarchist gunman Hjalmar Wång never got close enough instead to the Emperor and instead shot and killed a Swedish officer and himself, according to the Swedish Wikipedia.

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Forum Announcements / Re: New Users say Hello Here and ONLY HERE!
« on: September 12, 2013, 05:46:56 PM »
Another of my great grandfathers -- Lord Ferdinando Fairfax -- had a daughter, Lady Francis Fairfax, who married a Widdrington, and their son, Samuel, came to America to start one of my lines, but there are so many others.
Lord Fairfax's daughter was not entitled to the style "Lady". As long as she wasn't the daughter of a duke, marquess or earl but a mere Scottish lord of parliament aka baron, she was just "The Honourable Francis Fairfax".

Hello all, BTW :-)

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Yes. I agree with you completely Grandduchessella. Miechen & Marie Paulvona (JR) works !

Instead of descending to vulgar pseudo-familiarity, why not differentiate between them by means of their titles, which are not the same in Russian: Великая княгиня, Velikaya knyaginya, MP vs. Великая княжна, , Velikaya knyazhna, MP!?

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