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Having Fun! / Re: Youtube favourites. (NON-Romanov & Royality videos)
« on: March 10, 2019, 05:54:01 AM »
A song from another huge empire:

Fantastic Chinese pop song from a roadmovie about crossing China by car. I stumbled upon it as the soundtrack of a YouTube video about long-distance cycling in China: 平凡之路 = Píngfán zhīlù = The Ordinary Road) by Pu Shu (朴树).

Lyrics with translation

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Imperial Transportation / Re: Trips to the UK aboard the Standart
« on: March 10, 2019, 05:44:21 AM »
Does anyone have any detailed info about these trips?

Especially how long the voyage would be from Russia, but also details of the trips themselves. :)

When they visited was it primarily a state occasion or a family one?

This thread has useful information: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich

The trips were primarily family occasions, but heavily publicized, with lots of press attention. They were seen as political, as it was assumed by the public that the related monarchs discussed politics, primarily foreign politics, even though they didn't do much of that, according to diaries and memoirs.

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Palaces in St. Petersburg / Re: Poëlle palace
« on: March 02, 2019, 03:29:16 PM »
Thank you so much for your quick reply. I'd never even heard of this palace before this.

You are welcome. I'd never heard of it either, so it was interesting to discover it, and other palaces involved in the Battle of the Palaces, like majestic Tsaritsyno in Moscow.

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Having Fun! / Re: are the British imperial days romanticised?
« on: March 02, 2019, 02:21:09 PM »
I guess any thought of changing the name back to Berlin ended with World War II.

They should have changed the name to Boloto, which is the Russian and Ukrainian word for swamp, which probably is the meaning of the Slavic place-name Berlin. (Notice that Berlin and boloto have b-l in common.) Canada has a large population with Ukrainian ancestry, don't you? Bolotino sounds nice too, like an Italian fashion brand or a Russian country estate.

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Palaces in St. Petersburg / Re: Poëlle palace
« on: March 02, 2019, 11:15:04 AM »
"panorama of Poëlle palace on the banks of the Neva (between St. Petersburg and Schlüsselburg (Shlisselburg) )"

Does anyone know where this palace might be located in the St. Petersburg area?  It's possible it might have been destroyed since the 18th century.  I've had a good search around google but had no luck in finding this place and don't know of any books on the palaces of Catherine II.

It must be Pella Palace (Russian: Пеллинский дворец - Pellinskiy dvorets) in the town of Otradnoye, 30 km south-east of St. Petersburg, along the Neva. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pella_Palace The manor was originally called Pallila, presumably a Finnish name, but Catherine the Great renamed it Pella, after Alexander the Great's Macedonian home town, when she bought and built it for her grandson Alexander. So it was intended as the "original Alexander Palace", but was destroyed in the so-called Battle of the Palaces

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Balkan Royal Families / Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
« on: February 28, 2019, 06:48:06 AM »
Svetabel wrote in another thread, regarding Reuss/Prussia marriage of Princesss Victoria Margaret and Prince Heinrich XXXIII Reuss(Eleonore's fist cousin) that her mother, Luise Sophie, sister of the Empress "didn't like a sophisticated surroundings of the Reuss Princes, as she considered them too arrogant and insisted that the life of her family was very simple and unpretentious."

Interesting that Luise Sophie's family background (Danish, South German with a dash of British, reduced circumstances due to exile and some Prussian mehr sein als schein') contrasted with the Reuss' East Central German Duodez-style Standesdünkel.

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Having Fun! / Re: are the British imperial days romanticised?
« on: February 27, 2019, 05:13:39 PM »
Two months before the start of the First World War.

Yes, while they still were Princes of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Dukes of Jülich, Cleves and Berg, also Angria and Westphalia, Landgrave in Thuringia, Margrave of Meissen, Princely Count of Henneberg, Count of the Mark and Ravensberg, Lord of Ravenstein and Tonna, et cetera.

Here is a famous example of romanticising the gentry's easy summer life in the good, old Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (by an anti-Russian writer in Parisian exile): Youtube: Polonaise from "Pan Tadeusz"

Litwo! Ojczyzno moja! ty jesteś jak zdrowie;
Ile cię trzeba cenić, ten tylko się dowie,
Kto cię stracił.

=
Lithuania, my fatherland! You are like health;
How much you must be valued, will only discover
The one who has lost you.
[....]
Mężczyznom dano wódkę; wtenczas wszyscy siedli,
I chołodziec litewski milcząc żwawo jedli.

=
The men were given vodka; and all took their seat,
And Lithuanian cold borscht all proceeded to eat.

From Poland's national poem: "Pan Tadeusz, czyli Ostatni zajazd na Litwie" = Sir Thaddeus, or the Last Foray in Lithuania.

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Balkan Royal Families / Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
« on: February 27, 2019, 05:00:29 PM »
Having tried to research any Counts Ospenniy, my conclusion is that there are no Counts Ospenniy, only an untiled noble family. A few Russian random websites refer to Catherine the Great conferring a comital title on the vaccine provider, but they most certainly exaggerate. Comital titles were severely limited and only conferred in rare circumstances (and never on commoners unless they had shown exceptional merit), while nobility was conferred rather liberally. Google Books give a few glimpses into noted German nobility genealogist Detlev Schwennicke's listing in "Europäische Stammtafeln" of the Ospenniys being "Orlov bastards". No idea where this claim comes from, but it's enticing when you know the connection between Catherine II and Count Orlov.

In a way the connection between Eleonore and this Ospenniy sounds a bit like romantic fabrication trying to link her destiny to Bulgaria, Bulgaria's protector Russia and her distant relative Catherine II as a pioneer nurse, considering that this alleged fiancé with his imperially vaccinated ancestry died in Bulgaria (Телиш) in a Russian war that resulted in Bulgaria's national liberation. Compare this to the claim in her Bulgarian Wikipedia article, which has her first cousin Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna the Elder visiting Sofia to attend the unveiling of the Statue of Alexander (II) the Liberator (of Bulgaria) in 1907 and recommending her unmarried Reuss relative to the widowed Tsar Ferdinand!

I hardly think a noble, but untitled Russian officer (presumably) would be considered a suitable match even for a minor Reuss princess. Perhaps that's the reason why the engagement (d'inclination?) only lasted one day? Perhaps her parents (and her cousin Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna) asked the Tsarist authorities to call him back to Russia to prepare for the war?

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Balkan Royal Families / Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
« on: February 27, 2019, 11:14:57 AM »
I have read in Wikipedia:

"At the age of seventeen, Eleonore was engaged to Count Mark Alexandrovich Ospeni [ru]. The day after the engagement the Count was summoned to Russia because of the start of the Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878). Count Ospeni is wounded after the battle at the village of Telish and later died from these wounds."

Does anyone knows who this Count Mark Alexandrovich Ospeni is? I couldn't find anything about him or his family, maybe due to wikipedia spelling...

Wow, Marc! Super interesting with a Reuss-Russian match, even though it came to nought. Thanks for telling us. Based on the link in Eleonore English Wikipedia page to the family's Russian Wikipedia page, I can tell you that the family name Оспенный / Ospenniy is an adjective derived from оспа, smallpox. So it means "having to do with smallpox" (but not "pockmarked"). It was bestowed on the six-year-old commoner Alexander (Danilovich) Markov by Catherine the Great together along with hereditary nobility and arms showing a naked arm with a small cut and holding a rose in 1769 in recognition of him providing the material for the Empress' famous smallpox vaccination! So that's a rather unusual origin for a noble family! But I found no mention of any comital title.

BTW Eleonore's German Wikipedia page says she was, for a long time, a deaconess in Lübben (Sorbian: Lubin) in the Spreewald (Sorbian: Błota) in Lower Lusatia, which of course is and was a Sorbian-speaking community. I wonder if she picked up any Slavic language bits there which came in useful when she became Tsaritsa of Bulgaria? (She was born in what is within modern-day Poland, but her native village was most certainly German-speaking when she grew up.)

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Having Fun! / Re: are the British imperial days romanticised?
« on: February 26, 2019, 08:42:57 AM »
Considering how modern people view Kitchener the man, it's a shame that the Canadian city refused to revert its name to Berlin, out of pique.

Interestingly for us royalty fans, the city's Wikipedia article has this quote:
The Governor General of Canada, the Duke of Connaught, while visiting Berlin, Ontario, in May 1914 (!), discussed the importance of Canadians of German ethnicity (regardless of their origin) in a speech: "It is of great interest to me that many of the citizens of Berlin are of German descent. I well know the admirable qualities – the thoroughness, the tenacity, and the loyalty of the great Teutonic Race, to which I am so closely related. I am sure that these inherited qualities will go far in the making of good Canadians and loyal citizens of the British Empire".

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Having Fun! / Re: are the British imperial days romanticised?
« on: February 25, 2019, 02:27:55 PM »
I guess there is appeal in the image of an Old English summer. Sunshine and the sound of leather on willow, the cask of Crudgington's 4X Bitter, an urn of tea, and cucumber sandwiches.

You always hear about the English and tea and crumpets but why are the English way of them considered special?

Notice that it's the upper-class haunts (and middle-class dreams) of rural Southern England that feature in these romanticisings, not the industrial working-class Northern England.

Regarding cucumber sandwiches Wikipedia says this:
The popularity of the cucumber sandwich reached its upper-class zenith in the Edwardian era, when cheap labour and plentiful coal enabled cucumbers to be produced in hotbeds under glass through most of the year.

During the Edwardian era, the butter used in England (also for cucumber sandwiches) increasingly came from the expanding and export-focused Danish dairy industry, a process which was part of Denmark's economical, political, social and cultural reorientation after the devastating defeat to the Prussians in 1864.

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Scandanavian Royal Families / Re: King Carl XVI Gustav and Queen Silvia
« on: February 19, 2019, 03:56:18 PM »
I'm watching a Swedish portrait interview with Queen Silvia (Queen Silvia at 75 looks back, with Claes Elfsberg from STV) with discussion about her background, and I'm getting a more nuanced picture of her family's infamous past:

The factory in Berlin which her father Walther Sommerlath bought very cheaply in an Aryanisation process in the late 1930s, belonged to a Jew called Efim / Ernst Wechsler, who was born as a subject of Alexander III, in the pogrom-ridden Chișinău / Kishinev in Bessarabia, modern Moldovia, and who emigrated to Germany ca. 1900. He was able to emigrate to Brazil before WW2 and escape the Holocaust with his family, perhaps partially because (not Silvia's claim, but my speculation) he was compensated for his factory with Sommerlath's parts in a Brazilean coffee plantation and other land in Brazil. Here is his Swedish Wikipedia page.

Queen Silvia's two homelands, Brazil and Germany, were actually at war during WW2. Her mother's brother served as a surgeon in the Brazilean expeditionary force in Italy, who fought on the Allied side in the Battle of Monte Cassino etc. He survived, but never talked about it. (In general, Silvia's upper middle class family never talked about anything "bad".) Her mother suffered from severe depression during Silvia's childhood and youth, partially from the stresses brought on by WW2, when her land of birth and the adopted homeland she came to live in, were at war.



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I saw a clip of him striding down the corridors of the Kremlin, with band music playing and servants opening doors for him as he approached.   I could easily see a Tsar getting the exact same reception.

In a German documentary about the (second) German Empire I heard something interesting about the similar German Ersatz monarchs: Already during the reign of Wilhelm II the deposed Bismarck was the shadow monarch (regarded by many as the more competent statesman), then during WW1 Ludendorff and after the abolition of the monarchy Hindenburg as president. Hitler combined the roles of organic national leader, visionary statesman and official political leader in the role of Führer.

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A short while ago I read that Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna Romanova would like the rules of accession altered so that her son Michael can marry for love.
Who is the authority that she could appeal to?

According to the Fundamental Laws of 1906, a change in the Fundamental Laws' rule about Ebenbürtigkeit would require the ratification of both the ruling monarch, the State Duma and the State Council of a restored Russian Empire. So no formally valid way of going about that untill the monarchy is restored. Informally she could probably get away with it if the Orthodox Church gave its blessing, Putin his tacit approval (by attending the wedding) and the bride was a Russian. But allegedly Grand Duke Georgiy Mikhailovitch's girlfriend is an Italian.

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Having Fun! / Re: Youtube favourites. (NON-Romanov & Royality videos)
« on: February 05, 2019, 05:24:18 PM »
Soviet nostalgia with wonderful 1980s symphonic movie music ("Concerto de Berlin") by Romanian-French composer Vladimir Cosma: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fpUBy-UxgI

Fantastic Italian version of the infamous Cabaret song "Tomorrow Belongs To Me" with better lyrics and images from the Lord of the Rings movies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQIWfomDUtw The song is an unofficial anthem of the Italian neo-fascist alt-right.

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