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I'm quite prepared for this to be a family story that can't be proved or that may have been embellished but would really love to try and find out more information if possible.

It could very well be an embellished tale of an ancestor working as a nanny for more distant members of the huge Romanov family or for members of the Russian aristocracy or rich bourgeois.

Having Fun! / Re: Russian Music
« on: March 28, 2019, 10:19:25 PM »
I'm sure I've heard this tragically beautiful song before, in Romanov movies and videos, but I've never paid attention to it untill I stumbled upon it on YouTube:

Всё теперь против нас = All is now against us, by Yuriy Arkadyevich Borisov.

This White Russian lament was actually not written during or just after the Civil War, but by a Soviet citizen (born in 1944) in internal emigration.

Having Fun! / Re: Youtube favourites. (NON-Romanov & Royality videos)
« on: March 17, 2019, 02:33:41 PM »
That's a boring version.

Hey, I didn't make the thing, I just posted a link to it.

I know! I'd never criticize it so bluntly if you had put your heart and soul into it :-) I reserve that for badly researched Romanov fan fiction.

Having Fun! / Re: Youtube favourites. (NON-Romanov & Royality videos)
« on: March 17, 2019, 04:40:30 AM »
The Bonnie Blue Flag - instrumental

That's a boring version. This one is much better:

Modern Norwegian folk (traditional Norwegian with a dash of American country) that makes you wanna dance: Staut: Bekken (The Brook) / Sjå sole (Look at the sun)
The song is a description of an idyllic summer day.

Sjå sole, e må myse
Tenk så gøtt me ska ha det i lag
Ligge mjukt i ei eng, som gjør nytta si som seng
Bærre gå hånd i hånd ein sommardag.

Look at the sun, I have to squint
Imagine how good we will have it together
Laying softly in a meadow which doubles as a bed
Just walking hand in hand a summer day.

Delete this thread, there is already one about this topic:

Having Fun! / Re: Youtube favourites. (NON-Romanov & Royality videos)
« on: March 10, 2019, 05:54:01 AM »
A song from another huge empire:

Fantastic Chinese pop song from a roadmovie about crossing China by car. I stumbled upon it as the soundtrack of a YouTube video about long-distance cycling in China: 平凡之路 = Píngfán zhīlù = The Ordinary Road) by Pu Shu (朴树).

Lyrics with translation

Imperial Transportation / Re: Trips to the UK aboard the Standart
« on: March 10, 2019, 05:44:21 AM »
Does anyone have any detailed info about these trips?

Especially how long the voyage would be from Russia, but also details of the trips themselves. :)

When they visited was it primarily a state occasion or a family one?

This thread has useful information: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich

The trips were primarily family occasions, but heavily publicized, with lots of press attention. They were seen as political, as it was assumed by the public that the related monarchs discussed politics, primarily foreign politics, even though they didn't do much of that, according to diaries and memoirs.

Palaces in St. Petersburg / Re: Poëlle palace
« on: March 02, 2019, 03:29:16 PM »
Thank you so much for your quick reply. I'd never even heard of this palace before this.

You are welcome. I'd never heard of it either, so it was interesting to discover it, and other palaces involved in the Battle of the Palaces, like majestic Tsaritsyno in Moscow.

Having Fun! / Re: are the British imperial days romanticised?
« on: March 02, 2019, 02:21:09 PM »
I guess any thought of changing the name back to Berlin ended with World War II.

They should have changed the name to Boloto, which is the Russian and Ukrainian word for swamp, which probably is the meaning of the Slavic place-name Berlin. (Notice that Berlin and boloto have b-l in common.) Canada has a large population with Ukrainian ancestry, don't you? Bolotino sounds nice too, like an Italian fashion brand or a Russian country estate.

Palaces in St. Petersburg / Re: Poëlle palace
« on: March 02, 2019, 11:15:04 AM »
"panorama of Poëlle palace on the banks of the Neva (between St. Petersburg and Schlüsselburg (Shlisselburg) )"

Does anyone know where this palace might be located in the St. Petersburg area?  It's possible it might have been destroyed since the 18th century.  I've had a good search around google but had no luck in finding this place and don't know of any books on the palaces of Catherine II.

It must be Pella Palace (Russian: Пеллинский дворец - Pellinskiy dvorets) in the town of Otradnoye, 30 km south-east of St. Petersburg, along the Neva. The manor was originally called Pallila, presumably a Finnish name, but Catherine the Great renamed it Pella, after Alexander the Great's Macedonian home town, when she bought and built it for her grandson Alexander. So it was intended as the "original Alexander Palace", but was destroyed in the so-called Battle of the Palaces

Balkan Royal Families / Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
« on: February 28, 2019, 06:48:06 AM »
Svetabel wrote in another thread, regarding Reuss/Prussia marriage of Princesss Victoria Margaret and Prince Heinrich XXXIII Reuss(Eleonore's fist cousin) that her mother, Luise Sophie, sister of the Empress "didn't like a sophisticated surroundings of the Reuss Princes, as she considered them too arrogant and insisted that the life of her family was very simple and unpretentious."

Interesting that Luise Sophie's family background (Danish, South German with a dash of British, reduced circumstances due to exile and some Prussian mehr sein als schein') contrasted with the Reuss' East Central German Duodez-style Standesdünkel.

Having Fun! / Re: are the British imperial days romanticised?
« on: February 27, 2019, 05:13:39 PM »
Two months before the start of the First World War.

Yes, while they still were Princes of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Dukes of Jülich, Cleves and Berg, also Angria and Westphalia, Landgrave in Thuringia, Margrave of Meissen, Princely Count of Henneberg, Count of the Mark and Ravensberg, Lord of Ravenstein and Tonna, et cetera.

Here is a famous example of romanticising the gentry's easy summer life in the good, old Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (by an anti-Russian writer in Parisian exile): Youtube: Polonaise from "Pan Tadeusz"

Litwo! Ojczyzno moja! ty jesteś jak zdrowie;
Ile cię trzeba cenić, ten tylko się dowie,
Kto cię stracił.

Lithuania, my fatherland! You are like health;
How much you must be valued, will only discover
The one who has lost you.
Mężczyznom dano wódkę; wtenczas wszyscy siedli,
I chołodziec litewski milcząc żwawo jedli.

The men were given vodka; and all took their seat,
And Lithuanian cold borscht all proceeded to eat.

From Poland's national poem: "Pan Tadeusz, czyli Ostatni zajazd na Litwie" = Sir Thaddeus, or the Last Foray in Lithuania.

Balkan Royal Families / Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
« on: February 27, 2019, 05:00:29 PM »
Having tried to research any Counts Ospenniy, my conclusion is that there are no Counts Ospenniy, only an untiled noble family. A few Russian random websites refer to Catherine the Great conferring a comital title on the vaccine provider, but they most certainly exaggerate. Comital titles were severely limited and only conferred in rare circumstances (and never on commoners unless they had shown exceptional merit), while nobility was conferred rather liberally. Google Books give a few glimpses into noted German nobility genealogist Detlev Schwennicke's listing in "Europäische Stammtafeln" of the Ospenniys being "Orlov bastards". No idea where this claim comes from, but it's enticing when you know the connection between Catherine II and Count Orlov.

In a way the connection between Eleonore and this Ospenniy sounds a bit like romantic fabrication trying to link her destiny to Bulgaria, Bulgaria's protector Russia and her distant relative Catherine II as a pioneer nurse, considering that this alleged fiancé with his imperially vaccinated ancestry died in Bulgaria (Телиш) in a Russian war that resulted in Bulgaria's national liberation. Compare this to the claim in her Bulgarian Wikipedia article, which has her first cousin Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna the Elder visiting Sofia to attend the unveiling of the Statue of Alexander (II) the Liberator (of Bulgaria) in 1907 and recommending her unmarried Reuss relative to the widowed Tsar Ferdinand!

I hardly think a noble, but untitled Russian officer (presumably) would be considered a suitable match even for a minor Reuss princess. Perhaps that's the reason why the engagement (d'inclination?) only lasted one day? Perhaps her parents (and her cousin Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna) asked the Tsarist authorities to call him back to Russia to prepare for the war?

Balkan Royal Families / Re: Tzar Ferdinand of Bulgaria and his family
« on: February 27, 2019, 11:14:57 AM »
I have read in Wikipedia:

"At the age of seventeen, Eleonore was engaged to Count Mark Alexandrovich Ospeni [ru]. The day after the engagement the Count was summoned to Russia because of the start of the Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878). Count Ospeni is wounded after the battle at the village of Telish and later died from these wounds."

Does anyone knows who this Count Mark Alexandrovich Ospeni is? I couldn't find anything about him or his family, maybe due to wikipedia spelling...

Wow, Marc! Super interesting with a Reuss-Russian match, even though it came to nought. Thanks for telling us. Based on the link in Eleonore English Wikipedia page to the family's Russian Wikipedia page, I can tell you that the family name Оспенный / Ospenniy is an adjective derived from оспа, smallpox. So it means "having to do with smallpox" (but not "pockmarked"). It was bestowed on the six-year-old commoner Alexander (Danilovich) Markov by Catherine the Great together along with hereditary nobility and arms showing a naked arm with a small cut and holding a rose in 1769 in recognition of him providing the material for the Empress' famous smallpox vaccination! So that's a rather unusual origin for a noble family! But I found no mention of any comital title.

BTW Eleonore's German Wikipedia page says she was, for a long time, a deaconess in Lübben (Sorbian: Lubin) in the Spreewald (Sorbian: Błota) in Lower Lusatia, which of course is and was a Sorbian-speaking community. I wonder if she picked up any Slavic language bits there which came in useful when she became Tsaritsa of Bulgaria? (She was born in what is within modern-day Poland, but her native village was most certainly German-speaking when she grew up.)

Having Fun! / Re: are the British imperial days romanticised?
« on: February 26, 2019, 08:42:57 AM »
Considering how modern people view Kitchener the man, it's a shame that the Canadian city refused to revert its name to Berlin, out of pique.

Interestingly for us royalty fans, the city's Wikipedia article has this quote:
The Governor General of Canada, the Duke of Connaught, while visiting Berlin, Ontario, in May 1914 (!), discussed the importance of Canadians of German ethnicity (regardless of their origin) in a speech: "It is of great interest to me that many of the citizens of Berlin are of German descent. I well know the admirable qualities – the thoroughness, the tenacity, and the loyalty of the great Teutonic Race, to which I am so closely related. I am sure that these inherited qualities will go far in the making of good Canadians and loyal citizens of the British Empire".

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