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I think this pic more than any other really emphasizes just how unlike AN AA's features really were. She's really openly exposed them all here.



Here's another matchup I found:



Based on these photos, I would agree with you.  These indicate very marked differences in the eyes.  To me, and I am no expert by any means, it looks like the older woman has the protruding eyes of someone with a thyroid condition.  Sorry, that sounded bitchy.  They are wider and much closer to the eye brows than those of the child's. The ears also look different to me.  The child has little pointed tips at the bottom of her ears whereas the adults ears are rounded with no apparent tips - at least none that I could see from these particular photos.

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Are the adult women the same in these comparisons?  The noses look different to me.  The first one is a cute button nose and appears (to me) to resemble ANs, the other one is different.  Why is this.

The other point I would make is that people make a huge issue about ANs mouth being thin and those other women not so thin.  Couldn't she have had dental work?  And before you say, what if she did.  The point is that dental work can push out your lips to make them look more sensuous.  Not as drastically as botox but it works!

Yes, the first and the fourth picture is of Anna Anderson. I wouldn't say that the first photo shows AA with a "cute button nose," but it may simply be the position of the camera in conjection to the face.

As for dental work, what kind exactly can push out the lips and make them plumper?

I'm not a dentist myself but have had a full mouth reconstruction for aesthetic reasons (that's code for I didn't have a hollywood smile so I had my teeth done!)  My upper teeth I had made a little longer and a little thicker which had the effect of making my lips stick out more.  It's not quite an Angelina Jolie effect but that's what it did.  Now you guys are going to think I'm vain!  Damn it!

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I don't know how to insert pictures (or hyperlinks) but has anyone seen this one?

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Image:Anna1922berlin.jpg



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PrincessSophie,

Welcome to the forum.

AGRBear
 
Thanks AGR Bear.  Could I ask you about some stuff I just found please?

Grand Duke Ernst Ludwing Anastasia's uncle hired a private investigator to invetigate Anna Anderson. He thought that Anna Anderson was Franziska Schankowska and so he set up a meeting between Anna and Franziska Schankowska's brother Felix. When Felix saw Anna he said that this is my sister but at the end of the day when asked to sign a form that said Anna Anderson's true identity is Franziska Schankowska he said " I will not sign this. This is not my sister".

I'm guessing this is old stuff and has been discredited but wouldn't mind some details if you have them?

Thanks
Sophie

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I think this pic more than any other really emphasizes just how unlike AN AA's features really were. She's really openly exposed them all here.



Here's another matchup I found:



Are the adult women the same in these comparisons?  The noses look different to me.  The first one is a cute button nose and appears (to me) to resemble ANs, the other one is different.  Why is this.

The other point I would make is that people make a huge issue about ANs mouth being thin and those other women not so thin.  Couldn't she have had dental work?  And before you say, what if she did.  The point is that dental work can push out your lips to make them look more sensuous.  Not as drastically as botox but it works!

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AGR Bear,

As I indicated in another thread, I am more than happy for (in fact, I would encourage) anyone to pursue the truth (whatever that may be) by exploring all possibilities.  In some cases, people believe that it is the journey that is important, not the destination.  I'm not sure that this is true but I do believe that you have to find out the facts for yourself.  Otherwise what we are left with is a lot of lemmings who say "yes, I agree with Mr x, the so called expert on these things.  He's done all the research, so it must be true".  That would not be a good outcome in my view.

Having said that, I'm still struggling as a newbie with the intent of this thread.  If FS and AA are one person - as some believe then there would only be one body - AAs.  If they are not the same person, then there would be two bodies (assuming the two women are both dead).  This might be a reason for pursuing a timeline of FS's life, in my view, because it might indicate that she led her own life which ends, as most lives end, in her own grave or crypt or something.  In this case, what you might have is a third person mascarading as AA (who said she was AN).  This is a reason, I would understand - at least in theory.

Again, sorry for rambling.  Just trying to understand.

Sophie


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Annie,

Experts only THINK they know everything!  I applaud your search for the truth - whatever that may be.  And, Dmitri, I respect your views - I really do but you have already reached your conclusions - which is fine.  Let others do the same journey you did in their own time and let them make their own conclusions.   Surely, as the gentleman and scholar that I know you are, you can allow people - particularly a lady - to do this without fear of recriminations?

Kind regards
Sophie

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None of what you are attempting is going to change the fact that Anna Anderson was Franziska Schankowska. This has been proved completely by DNA testing. Time to get a life AGR Bear and stop your obssession.

Sorry to partly agree with Dmitri, here, AGR Bear but where are you going with this exactly?  I apologise in advance for being so slow but I'm still a newbie and have a lot to learn.

Kind regards
Sophie

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French Royals / Re: Movies about the French Court
« on: August 16, 2007, 01:46:47 AM »
As to the "Revolutionary" French not liking the film, German critics didn't like it either although there was no Revolution here  ;).   

1918? Kiel? ;)

Or even the failed revolution in 1848?

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French Royals / Re: Any portraits of Comtesse de Noailles?
« on: August 14, 2007, 05:26:12 AM »
Try this page http://www.appl-lachaise.net/appl/article.php3?id_article=474.

It has a sketch of Mme Etiquette as a jeune fille.

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French Royals / Re: Louis XVII - Did he die in the Tower?
« on: August 14, 2007, 01:49:10 AM »
Hi, I have not posted anything on this for some time because I felt that everyone thought that I was just bringing something out to be re-hashed again and that everyone wanted to just accept what the historians and professors said about little Louis Charles and leave history alone. But, I have been busy doing something on my own that will come out in a few months that may change how people think of what I have been saying. I will let you know what it is when I have accomplished my mission.  Carol Jean

Carol Jean, good to hear from you! 8) 8) 8)

I understand your sentiments because I have encountered a number of people who are not only arrogant and intransigient with what they know - or think they know - they also feel the need to publicly flog/undermine anyone who raises the slightest bit of doubt in relation to their views.  However, there are many more very intelligent, very knowledgeable people who want to know more and are happy to challenge the establishment should new evidence come to pass.  In view of this, I would encourage you to share your views with those of us who have open minds (and hearts).  You never know, we may me able to help!

Cheers
Sophie :)

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French Royals / Re: Movies about the French Court
« on: August 13, 2007, 02:07:00 AM »
NAOTMAA fan, thank you, thank you, thank you for saying this (Not to sound pompous, but I think what some people need to realize is that Sofia Coppola wasn't trying to make some over-the-top-accurate-historical-period-drama-piece).  I said as much about Anastasia movies and nearly got executed for it!  But the issue is 1) a movie is not a documentary and 2) if it gets one person interested in the period of history, then it's worth it.  It means they can investigate the "truth" - whatever that means - for themselves.

Sophie :)

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French Royals / Re: Jeanne de Valois
« on: August 13, 2007, 02:01:28 AM »
Jeanne de la Motte never impersonated the queen herself. It was a prostitute called Nicole d'Oliva who played the part of the queen during the famous encounter with the Cardinal de Rohan in the shrubberies of Versailles.

It is a confusing story though! :)

Thanks Bell.  You are right!  I stand corrected.

Sophie :)

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My apologies for repeating the list of characters summarised by Koloagirl!

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Hi, Janet_W:

                          Well, I must agree with you. A good movie portraying Ana, view through Ana's own eyes, would be just perfect! But perfect historical movies will never exist!  ;D I'm not very optimist in this. I must said that I never like a single historical movie completely. " Nicholas and Alexandra" is good, but have too many mistakes to said I like it.

                             Amy Irving performance is great. I think I said it somewhere. A wonderful actress, and a convincing Ana Anderson. Rex Harrison was excellent too...Olivia de Havilland is a fine Empress Marie in this movie. But the rest...Hmmm. I repeat it. Bad stuff.  ;D

RealAnastasia.

Whatever you say about this movie (Anastasia: Mystery of Anna (1986)), it had great actors in it.

Amy Irving | Olivia De Havilland | Omar Sharif | Rex Harrison | Edward Fox | Claire Bloom | Elke Sommer | Jan Niklas.  You may not know this but the movie also starred a very young Christian Bale as Alexei!

One of the problems with the movie is in the run up to their execution, Anna is played by a young actress so physically unlike Amy Irving (who plays the adult "Anna") that it actually lends weight to the doubts about her identity later on!

I understand that was largely based on "Anastasia: The Riddle of Anna Anderson" by Peter Kurth, and is touching in bits despite its fiction-augmented recounting of history.

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