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Was the  marriage of Maria Bonaparte and her Greek prince recognized as morganatic?

I don't think Marie's marriage was recognized as morgantic.  She and her children were accorded full royal status within the Greek RF, and by the world as well.

She simply had too much money for it to matter....

The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Maria Theresa and her large family
« on: June 21, 2008, 05:41:34 AM »
Although being infected and scarred for life from smallpox was a terrible blow to the young women, I'm sure, I can't help but think they may have been relieved somewhat.  Marriage to foreign prince or king had its own problems, and the dangers that came every other year with pregnancies lay heavily on the minds of women of the age....

The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Maria Theresa and her large family
« on: June 18, 2008, 10:30:21 AM »
Yes. You're right, I think. This is a very nice picture!! It's a pity that Archduchess Maria Elisabeth got an illness and because of her looks then could not marry anymore, I have read that she had been very beautiful before! A pity! At least she survived the illness, many did not...

I have never quite understood this.  A talented, educated archduchess, a daughter of the empress, should have been able to find a husband.  I understand that because of smallpox, her face was disfigured, but was it so horribly so that no man would consider her for a bride? Or was it more like her mother removed her from the marriage market, considering the girl "damaged." 

The Windsors / Re: Princess Charlotte, George IV's daughter
« on: June 18, 2008, 09:53:24 AM »
Her father considered her a nuisance, even though he loved her, and once she reached adulthood was eager to get her off his hands.

Maybe the relation with her father became better when she married prince Leopold? Does anybody know?

It seems Leopold had a sort of calming effect on Charlotte.  She was in love with him and he seemed to effect her in a positive way.  She was so young when she died, her relationships with people like her father had not had time to fully develop, although I would think that her being safely married and with child would have had some effect on her relationship with her father.

Balkan Royal Families / Re: King Alexander and Queen Draga of Serbia
« on: June 16, 2008, 04:49:34 PM »
And Alexandra never married....

In looking for information on the descendants of Olga and Xenia Contantinovna von Leuchtenberg (daughters of Constantin Georgevich von Leuchtenberg and Darya Alexievna Obolensky). Most genealogies mention their marriages, but fail to indicate any children/grandchildren.
Thank you.

A quick Internet search yielded the following information:

Duke Constantine von Leuchtenberg (1905-1983) m.1929 Princess Daria Obolensky (1903-1982)

Duchess Xenia von Leuchtenberg (*1930) m.1950 Count Dimitri Grabbe (*1927)

Count Michael Grabbe (*1951)
Countess Nina Grabbe (*1952), m.1st 1975 (div. 1981) John Eldredge (*1949); m.2nd 1984 Dimitry Vladimirovich Shishkoff (3 children)
Count Paul Grabbe (*1956)
Count Alexis Grabbe (*1960)
Countess Xenia Grabbe (*1963), m.1989 Alexander Levitsky (2 children)
Countess Olga Grabbe (*1965), m.1990 Dana S. Dewey (3 children)
Countess Maria Grabbe (*1965) m.1994 Richard Melody

Duchess Olga von Leuchtenberg (*1932), m.1952 Oleg Gaydeburov (*1922)

George Gaydeburov (1953-1975)
Nina Gaydeburov (*1956)

*indicates living person

Balkan Royal Families / Re: King Alexander and Queen Draga of Serbia
« on: June 15, 2008, 04:41:12 PM »
lets face it , she was far too unsuitable to marry the young King. The marriage was extremely unpopular as it was expected that he would bring prestigue to the country with marriage to a foreign princess. She was  regarded as self seeking and barren ...with the popular belief that she would pass the crown to her brother. It was probably a real love match but she was a fool to encourage him and allow herself to marry. Surely she must have been aware of the dangerous path she was treading?

I agree, she was definitely treading on thin ice.  A forty year old widow, known to be barren, marrying a king 15 years her junior, especially as his first wife, is asking for trouble!

Neither Alexander's father nor mother approved the marriage.  I read on wikipedia that ex-King Milan (Alexander's father) was away at the time of the marriage, seeking the hand of a German princess as his son's wife.

Anyone know who that princess was?

The Windsors / Re: Princess Charlotte, George IV's daughter
« on: June 15, 2008, 04:22:59 PM »
By whom Charlotte was brought up ? In no case by her parents...

I would imagine she was raised by servants--nurses and maybe tutors, with a close watch kept on them by her grandmother and maiden aunts.
I know I've read that the aunts were, on the whole, very fond of their neice.

The Windsors / Re: Princess Charlotte, George IV's daughter
« on: June 14, 2008, 03:06:26 PM »
I think Charlotte must have been well aware of her parents' shortcomings early on.  That in itself was indicitive of her character.  I think she was highly spoiled, probably by her grandmother more than anyone.  Her father considered her a nuisance, even though he loved her, and once she reached adulthood was eager to get her off his hands. 

Balkan Royal Families / Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
« on: June 13, 2008, 08:17:48 PM »
Does anyone have images of Nicholas Medforth-Mills?

Will he be Margareta's heir or must the succession pass through his mother Elena first?

The Windsors / Re: Princess Charlotte, George IV's daughter
« on: June 13, 2008, 07:59:26 PM »
Here is a link to an interesting page about Charlotte:

She has always been one of my favorites, of that period, one of the "what-ifs" that makes history so intriguing.

By all accounts, she was a lively and well-liked girl, but rebellious and headstrong as well.  Considering who her parents were, she turned out rather well and it would have been interesting to see how she lived out her life.  The public loved her fanatically and her death was a terrible shock to the world that existed then.

French Royals / Re: Elisa, Paulina and Caroline Bonaparte
« on: June 12, 2008, 10:48:30 PM »
There were actually 4 children born to the Bacciochis:
Felix Napoléon Bacciochi (1798 - 1799).
Elisa Napoléone Bacciochi (1806 - 1869). She married Philippe, Comte Camerata-Passioneï de Mazzoleni.
Jérôme Charles Bacciochi (1810 - 1811).
Frédéric Napoléon Bacciochi (1813 - 1833).

Elisa-Napoleone's son was:
Napoléon Charles Félix Antoine Baptiste Camerata-Passionei di Mazzoleni (b. 20 Sept., 1826 at Ancona, d. 4 March 1853, Paris)

The young Count Camerata seemed to be well-liked and served as a State Councillor during the 2nd Empire.  However, he was apparently heavily in debt and ended his life by putting a bullet in his head at his mother's home in Paris.  (This can be read in My Memoirs by Caroline Murat, available on Google Book Search).

French Royals / Re: Elisa, Paulina and Caroline Bonaparte
« on: June 12, 2008, 10:25:37 PM »
From Napoleon's Family by Desmond Seward:

"[The only surviving child of the Bacciochis], Napoleone (1806-69), was among the most high-spirited of the clan's later members.  Even more masculine than her mother Elisa, she went so far as to wear men's clothes, fenced and enjoyed driving carriages.  She married a sensitive Italian, Count Camarata, whom she reduced to a nervous wreck before deserting him in 1830 and reverting to her maiden name of Bacciochi.  At the end of 1830 she went to Vienna with a hare-brained plan of rescuing her cousin Napoleon II, which was quickly discovered by the Austrian police, who made her leave the city.  Very much her mother's daughter, she later acquired a keen interest in drainage." (p.187)

(p.195) During the Second Empire Napoleone Bacciochi profited by extracting more than 6 million francs from the government and securing titles and appointments for her Bacciochi cousins.  One cousin received the post of "Superintendent of Court Spectacles" with the responsibility of procuring women for his master.

Balkan Royal Families / Re: King Simeon II of Bulgaria and his family
« on: June 01, 2008, 03:20:32 PM »
Are grandchildren of HM the King of Bulgaria Royal Highnesses too?

I already know that Prince Umberto has HM Queen Margarita as  godmother whereas his twin sister Princess Sofia has HRH Prince of Asturias as godfather.

According to Wikipedia:

*Konstantin-Assen's daughter Sofia has Prince of the Asturias as a godfather, and Infanta Sofia has Konstantin-Assen as her godfather.

*Kubrat is godfather to one of Infanta Christina's children.

*Kalina's son Simeon has Princess Irene of Greece and Denmark and King Mohammed VI of Morocco as godparents.

*With the obvious exception of Kalina's son, all of the grandchilden are listed as HRH.

*Obviously they are very close to the Spanish royal family.

I can see a resembalance to Nando in this picture.


I agree.

And look at the second thumbnail posted by Nena.  Below the nose is very much Nando.

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