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The Greek Royal Family / Re: Title and surname of the Greek Kings
« on: June 28, 2005, 12:07:38 PM »
I think that Philip gave up his titles to become a British citizen.  I also remember reading something to the effect of that at the time of Philip's marriage to QEII, he was very close in line to the throne of Greece, and they didn't want the complications that this might possibly entail one day.  I think Philip also "felt" British, having been raised and educated there by his British relatives, and identified more with the Mountbattens than with the Greek Royals,  whom he had very little association with.

Princess Marina was a royal princess who married a royal prince, thus she was styled Princess Marina, Duchess of Kent.  Sort of like a woman taking her husband's name when they marry.

It seemed to vary from generation to generation, depending on the prevailing politics of the day. Prince Albert, I believe, had very little status in his own time. He was not even given a dukedom and the public always considered him a foreigner meddling in their business.

I would like to start a thread on Grand Duchess Eleonore of Hesse, second wife of Ernie and mother of Don and Lu.  What was she like as a person, why did she marry Ernie, what was her life in Hesse like, and what about her own family(parents, brothers and sisters), where did she come from?
There seems to be very little information on her.  Even in the major biographies, she is barely mentioned.

Thanks, Marlene!

And who raised her orphaned granddaughter?

Scandanavian Royal Families / Re: Princess Madeline
« on: June 27, 2005, 11:09:57 PM »
Movie star beautiful!

The Greek Royal Family / Re: Title and surname of the Greek Kings
« on: June 27, 2005, 11:05:07 PM »
When Philip gave up his Greek/Danish titles and became a British citizen, he took the name of his mother's family, becoming plain old Philip Mountbatten, until he got the title of Duke of Edinburgh.

The tangled family tree of this family has always amazed me and boggled my mind. They are so hard to follow but you have done a good job, Umigon.

As a side note, although this family usually seems to be considered the most intermarried, the Swedish/Danish royal families run a close second.

Having Fun! / Re: Whom would you cast for an "Ella" mo
« on: June 26, 2005, 10:05:07 AM »
Ella....Meryl Streep
Maria Pavlovna (the younger)....Helena Bonham Carter
Dimitri....Tom Cruise

The Imperial Family / Re: Diaries of NAOTMAA
« on: June 25, 2005, 06:39:38 PM »
Robert K. Massie says that immediately after the revolution, while Nicholas was still away, that Alexandra began burning most of her letters, including the ones she had gotten from QV and the ones she had written to QV, which had been returned to her from Windsor after QV's death. She did not destroy the correspondence between herself and Nicholas because in case of being brought to trial, Alexandra believed that the letters would prove their patriotism towards Russia.

Balkan Royal Families / Re: King Carol II of Romania
« on: June 25, 2005, 05:47:27 PM »
And wasn't he and his sister Elizabeth sort of taken away by his great-uncle and great-aunt to be raised, sort of like the situation with Vicky's two eldest children Willy and Charley?

Balkan Royal Families / Re: King Carol II of Romania
« on: June 25, 2005, 05:45:03 PM »
Are there any pictures of him as a young man?  

I think the pictures of the Roumanian royals are some of the most beautiful and enchanting ones I've ever seen. I suppose it's due to Missy's theatricality.

Why was she nicknamed "Mignon"?

When did Elena die? I notice all of her children except for unfortunate Mafalda had long lives.

Iberian Royal Families / Re: Maria II of Portugal and her family
« on: June 24, 2005, 03:58:13 PM »
Maria's second husband was Prince Ferdinand of Saxe-Coburg-Kohary (1816-1885), son of Prince Ferdinand of Saxe-Coburg (who was uncle to both QV and Albert) and his wife the very rich Hungarian Princess Antonia Kohary.  Maria married Ferdinand in 1836, after having been widowed at age 16 the previous year. Queen Victoria and Albert from this point on maintained close relations with the Portuguese Royal Family. Unlike his cousin Albert, who was only made a Prince Consort, Ferdinand was made titular King of Portugal, reigning with his wife as Ferdinand II.  After Maria II died in childbirth in 1853, Ferdinand was later married to an Elizabeth Hensler (in 1869).

As for Maria's children:

Peter V and Stephanie: I've heard of no pregnancies of this couple, Peter I know died of typhoid, I'm not sure of Stephanie. Both died so young, Peter in 1861 and Stephanie in 1859.

Louis, succeeded his brother and married Maria Pia of Italy (dau. of Victor E. II), they had two sons:   Charles, who along with his eldest son Louis Philip were assassinated in 1908; and Alfonso, who married a Nevada Hayes (an American, I think).

John, Duke of  Beja  1842-1861, I believe he also died of typhoid.

Mary Anne married King George of Saxony and had a large family.

Antonia married Leopold of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen. Among her descendants are King Ferdinand of Roumania and his brood. She had another son, William, who was the father of Augusta Victoria of Hohenzollern who married the last and exiled king of Portugal, Emanuel II. They remained childless and Emanuel died fairly young in England.

Ferdinand 1846-1861. He would have only been 15 at his death.  I'm not sure, but I believe I've read that there was a typhoid epedemic in Portugal, and this son may have also been a victim. I remember reading that these deaths were one of the blows that contributed to the death of Prince Albert in 1861.

Augustus, Duke of Coimbra 1847-1889. I have no information on this son.

Hardly a stable dynasty.

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