Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.


Messages - Adagietto

Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 ... 39
16
At Munthe's villa in Capri?

17
That's nice! It reminds me of this postcard:


Have we had this?

18
The Windsors / Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« on: August 14, 2010, 05:14:20 PM »
Not too well known, I hope, otherwise they might never let me out!

19
The Windsors / Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« on: August 14, 2010, 03:57:24 PM »
Agreed; and if constantinople is seriously suggesting that Mrs Thatcher provoked the invasion, or deliberately let it proceed in the face of prior knowledge, because she wanted a war for electoral purposes, we are in any case straying beyond the bounds of rational discussion, let alone relevant discussion.

20
The Windsors / Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« on: August 14, 2010, 03:01:17 PM »
There is a difference between sabre-rattling and an invasion; they may have seen some advantage in facing down some sabre-rattling, but they were certainly not expecting an invasion that would leave the Argentinians holding the islands, nor could they possibly have wished for any such thing. If they had had definite information that the Argentinians were planning to invade when they did, they could and would have taken action to deter the invasion. No serious historian thinks anything other than that the invasion took the British government by surprise, and that it was thought at the time, with every justification, that it would be extremely hard to retake the islands. Some members of the cabinet would have much preferred a negotiated surrender. It took courage to take the course that she did, just as it took courage to overturn the post-war consensus in British politics, or to face down the powerful trade union movement; though at a purely verbal level, it is doubtless possible to interpret that courage away, and such a mode of argument may appeal to people who have a taste for sophistry or paradox.

21
The Windsors / Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« on: August 14, 2010, 02:07:48 PM »
The Argentinians misread the British signs and the British misread the Argentinian ones. If the Argentinians had been patient, some British government some time would doubtless have sold the Falkland Islanders down the river, or if one one wants to put it another way, have concluded that the financial and political expense of supporting them was too great. After the invasion, Mrs Thatcher had a choice between miltary action and a negotiated surrender; anyone who has any understanding of her character would know that she would never have contemplated the second option for a moment, electoral calculations did not come into the matter. Only a fool or ignoramus would have advised her that a war with Argentina would not be difficult, or would be lacking in danger. That was certainly not the military opinion at the time. More ships could easily have been sunk, and the landing could have gone badly wrong; everyone whom I have spoken to who was actually involved in the war regards it as a close-run thing.  Even as it turned out, without more exocets getting through, the failure of the fuzes on some Argentinian bombs may have made the difference between success and failure. Nor was it clear at the beginning that the Americans would have provided the vital support that they did. I never cared for Mrs Thatcher, but she had guts, and it took real courage to launch that expedition. It could just as easily have broken her career as helped it.

22
The Windsors / Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« on: August 14, 2010, 12:24:27 PM »
Canadian I think. But it is certainly the case that she didn't embark on that enterprise out of electoral calculation, it was an exceedingly risky venture which could easily have ended in failure.

23
The Windsors / Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« on: August 14, 2010, 09:29:54 AM »
Oh come, come, as soon as you start using phrases like 'over-confident, under-talented scions of unearned wealth like Osborne and Cameron' you are in full rant territory; and if you go to, say, the Spectator Coffee House, you will find people from the Thatcherite right ranting against them in exactly the same terms ! So some people assert they are following extreme right policies, carrying on from where Mrs Thatcher left off, while the Thatcherites assert on the whole that they are limp-wristed pinkoes who are betraying her heritage! This merely confirms that British politics is moving in a curious direction at the moment, and cannot (in my view) be analysed in terms of the simple oppositions inherited from the 80s. But this is not the proper place for such discussions.

24
The Windsors / Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« on: August 14, 2010, 05:19:43 AM »
This is really no place for one-sided political rants. They are quite bad enough in sites that are actually concerned with party politics. One person's 'wonderful quote' may strike another person as being a fine expression of facile prejudice.

25
The Windsors / Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« on: August 13, 2010, 10:07:09 AM »
She preferred to serve on the beaches of the Caribbean.

26
The Windsors / Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« on: August 13, 2010, 04:27:18 AM »
Agreed, they were entirely different in that respect; though, to be fair, Margaret mightnot  have been quite so irresponsible if she had had to take on serious responsibilities like the Queen.

Margot's account of the circumstances of the Queen's 'As a grandmother' speech seems spot on to me; she skilfully defused a very unpleasant situation, for which the irresponsible (and entirely hypocritical) behaviour of the media was largely to blame.

27
The Windsors / Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« on: August 10, 2010, 02:53:07 PM »
Eric, you are over-generalizing when you talk about the 'public' in those terms; while many people got caught up in that emotion, as many others found it disquieting and even unsavoury. Looking back on it now, it all looks very strange.

28
The Windsors / Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« on: August 10, 2010, 08:45:10 AM »
Do mothers generally agree to whatever their children do? Not my experience.

29
The Windsors / Re: Andrew, Duke of York
« on: August 10, 2010, 08:06:25 AM »
Well he is descended after al from Edward VII: someone has to keep up the family traditions.

30
The Windsors / Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« on: August 10, 2010, 07:32:16 AM »
Indeed, and this is quite common among the better-educated members of the upper crust; Thatcherism found very little support among such people.

Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 ... 39