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In a posted by AGRbear says that the book "The File on the Tsar" is an edition of 1976, yes, but there is a new edition of 2002., with a good new chapter.
Ordino :)

Hello everybody, just a point about the visist of Felix Y. to AA
I agree with AA if she did not want to speak with Felix Y, nor in Russian, English, German or morse.
Ordino :)

The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: Impartiality Witness:who?
« on: April 09, 2006, 07:09:38 AM »
Hey Ra-Ra-Rasputin of course I agree with you, ftp://They could have been lying, but we'll never know that, so it would be unfair and illogical to presume that they were, just because they don't agree with you, Ordino. Im not talking about "unfair" and"illogical" I respect with all my heart to these people, please donīt  change my words, and let the ADN in a corner for a while, just for a while. For me and for the people who donīt know the witnesses so well ( sorry I am in a hurry!! my family is the door! they are gone!), please, names, details, no dna, people. Thanks.Ordino

The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: Impartiality Witness:who?
« on: April 08, 2006, 05:01:37 PM »
Well maybe I wrote  my message  with mistakes so, again, my question is:
are the witnesses that say AA  is not AN impartiality, honest and did they say the truth?, for instance: Gilliard
Ordino :)

The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: Impartiality Witness:who?
« on: April 08, 2006, 02:11:20 PM »
Yes Laura is "truth"
Sorry, but I don,t think there is drama  in this board.
We are talking about the life, people and oppinions.
And my question - and I have said this after I am so sorry for  my bad gramatic in this beautiful and international language- is like I said
How many people who deny  ( take it easy I will spell it for you) d - e - n - y  and etc like my first message
I understand that you donīt believe in AA, great!,  Itīs magnific, congratulations, but please just answer my question, donīt be bully with me, please.
Thanks. Ordino :)

The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Impartiality Witness:who?
« on: April 08, 2006, 12:59:41 PM »
I said several times at this forum that I believe in AAīs story. With all my consideration and respect for ADNīs results.
So, How many people who deny the exintence of AA like AN are really impartiality.
How many of these people who deny the existence of AA like AN are really honest in their oppinions.
How many of these people who deny the existnece of AA like AN are really saying the thrue
Ordino :)

OK, Annie, I see your point but donīt you think that Gilliard is not a reliable witness for this case?
And a question because my ignorance - I m new at the forum, Im here since December 2005, more or less- You say ftp://I don't know what to believe (Except that AA was not AN, I do know that.) , and you repeat this all over the forum, I catch this but, please give at least 4 strong points to that support your point, one point is out of this, that is the ADNīs point.
Thanks is advance Annie.
Ordino :)

The Final Chapter / Re:  Mystery of the "Russian Officer" Letters
« on: April 07, 2006, 03:12:26 PM »
Elisabeth I agree with you about the letter. There is a copy of Sokolov report in Hoove Institution or -I donīt rebember well- in Yale Universitiy, I m sure because I have seen this report just a weeks ago, I promise you a look for it and I will send you the link, I do not have  much time so maybe  it will be in a few days time but I will do it.Ordino :)

The Final Chapter / Re: Yurovsky's 1922 Statement
« on: April 07, 2006, 01:02:58 PM »
How many statement needs the soviet for the story? 3.4.5. If you have to do a Statement  you do it and letīs go to the next chapter of the story, instead you do one and another and years after another one.
Peter Saradinaki is a famous investigator of the Koptiaky woods, in some place in this forum there is an intervew with him.Ordino :)

Annie, ChatNoir said in reply number 428 that Gilliard burned his papers and all staff in 1933 with 53 years old. It looks that he wanted to look the door for ever and ever. And a point that I forgot before.
Gilliard always said that he had very close to the IF or this is the impression that it do. Maybe the existence of AA destroyed this impression. So Annie Why Gilliard with 53 years old burner all the memoralia of his beloved IF?. Ordino >:(

The Final Chapter / Re:  Mystery of the "Russian Officer" Letters
« on: April 07, 2006, 12:37:46 PM »
And if who wrote the letter was not a Russian official,  just no Russian people, maybe someone from another country who was in that moment in Ekaterimburg. Of course it this first letter was really a loyal letter from a someone not soviet ( and if doctor Derevenko said no to smuggle more letters to the IF becouse he was afraid of the soviets, the writer of the letter asked for help to the nuns). Ordino :)

The Final Chapter / Re: Yurovsky's 1922 Statement
« on: April 07, 2006, 12:21:04 PM » why he did 3 statements- 1920,1922,1934- with one it will be enouhg. And if the two latter have subtle differences ....1920īs statements will if this statement or these statements are the principal support for the story that we know,  what story is in fact the real.
Ordino  >:(

Annie, you say that Gilliard did  some things becouse he was old or was bored of the all staff about AA, becouse he knew the real AN. So, When AA described worng the malaquita room it will be maybe because also she is bored, old and of course with more traumatic experience than Gilliard.
About the help from Gleb Botkin.  He was a friend of OTMA and his sister Tatiana too. Why, when this people who were near to IF said that Yes AA=AN always we have doubts about their oppinios.
Really, I can not understand why Gilliard with 54 or 52 years old burned a papers so important for this story, the only razon I can see is that he was hidden somethig
Thanks Ordino

The Final Chapter / Re:  Mystery of the "Russian Officer" Letters
« on: April 07, 2006, 10:20:25 AM »
Hello Elisabeth
Good point!, really itīs a new mistery in this mistery story. I believe that in fact there was someone that was helping the IF. a loyal group or one or two loyal people. I also think that there are several Sokolovīs dossiers or that Sokolov donīt put all the information in the dossier that exists now, so the mistery is open.
Ordino :)

So, why Gilliard did it?
 Sorry, but I donīt understand your point (about Gilliard)
I always had thought that Gilliard for some strange  motive hated AA, in the same way I think that AA was AN.
So after to read all your message the question is, Is Gilliard a correct witness for  the cause of AA=AN, I answer, not, because he was eviently against the idea that AA was AN. The existence of the Malaquita room is a good point (like much others) for the supporters of AA. By the way, are there anybody who is supporter of AA?. Thanks for the oppinions. Ordino :)

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