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The Yussupovs / Re: Your personal opinion on Felix Yusupov
« on: September 24, 2006, 12:46:39 PM »
He also was, to mention his possibly best character trait, very generous and even in exile did give a lot of money to other exile Russians. So IMO that's definitely something to like about him. He also gave money to the French resistance in the fight against the Nazis.

Otherwise, I would agree that I'm fascinated by him, but do not like him. IMO, to ask if I like him is asking, if I like Cleopatra. She was an interesting person to read about and there's a reason, why so many movies were made with her as the main character. But she was also far from being a saint and had her own silblings killed, for example. I feel similarly about Felix. Let's just day that I would have liked to meet him out of poor curiosity, but not to get to close with him. I do prefer him to quite a few members of the Imperial family, though.

Having Fun! / Re: A Cup of Tea With....
« on: June 13, 2006, 03:09:34 PM »
Prince Vladimir Paley

He seemed to have been not only a very gifted and intelligent, but also kind and character strong young man. I would like to talk to him very much, especially because there is still not very much known about him, compared to other members of the family. (And with my current knowledge I would drug him and get him out of the country, because I really consider his execution a very big loss for our world.  :( )

The Yussupovs / Re: Books by Felix Yusupov - "Lost Splendour" etc
« on: June 11, 2006, 05:45:16 PM »
No, it are not the same books. Lost Splendor is Felix' autobiography, (but the Rasputin murder of course plays a big part in this as well). "Lost Splendor" consists of two parts, the first about Felix' life in Russia and the second one about his time in exile. The main site here has the first part online. It's a highly entertaining book, IMO, but problematic if you want to know want really happened, since Felix lied or concealed things very often. However, it does give a good feeling about life among the Russian noblemans at this time in general.

Perhaps everyone is thinking in the wrong box marked "personal reasons",  maybe, people, like Gilliard and Sokolov, were accomplishing the task of proving all of the IF were executed by the "evil" Bolsheviks for political reasons.   And,  they didn't want any loose ends, which caused rumors that one young GD escaped.

So if one of the victims had survived somehow, it would have made what the Bolsheviks did less evil? I don't think so.

The Russian Revolution / Re: leaving st. petersburg
« on: May 18, 2006, 02:11:47 PM »
There are a few statements here on alexanderpalace, for example Felix Yusupov description their escape from the Crimea in his memoirs "Lost Splendor". (The last two chapters or so from Lost Splendor, but be careful, he used to invent a lot). There are also some meories from the captain, who saved the royals from the Crimea, also on the main page here, and most of it actually confirms big parts of Yusupov's version. The group, which included the mother, one sister and most nephews and nieces of the of the Tsar, were saved by the ship HMS Marlborough.  The Tsar's other sister, her husband and their children escaped on another ship.

Also, there are several character biographies on the main page, describing the escape of the characters (if they escaped).  

See also in the forum this thread, and this site has quite a lot of information as well.

I agree with every of your words, Annie, but I just want to add how disrespectful I find this towards the GD Olga. What has this woman ever done to deserve being accused that she denied her niece for money? I can understand if people have doubts regarding, for example, Felix Yusupov's opinion about AA. Not that Felix ever seemed to have cared that much for money (in fact, his honest generousity, even during the exile, when he nearly gave more than he actually possesed, seems to be his biggest redeeming quality), but he is a pretty big liar and it is therefore not surprising, that people might think he lied here as well. But the GD Olga, who, as far as I can tell, seemed to be one of the nicest members of the whole family, and more than this, was a close friend and confidante for her nieces? I honestly find some of the accusations made against her pure slander. Is there anything, *anything* to suggest, that she wouldn't be overjoyed to have at least one member of Nichola's family back. Particularly since she was one of the Romanovs closest to them.

Even if they were (what I do not really doubt), the remains must still be somewhere. Such a fire cannot destroy all of the bones. The bodies weren't cremated, after all.

Oh yes, Felix was without a doubt a masterful liar. In my first or second post here on this board I mentioned that he should have become an author (of completely fictional books, I mean  ;)), and I was only half-joking. He's an excellent storyteller, who has the ability to make some completely ridiculous things in his autobiography almost seem convincing. But then, I do not trust what any of those Romanovs or aristocrats wrote in their autobiographies or memories. Felix' version at least is entertaining, which I can't say about some of the other ones, which are probably just as far from the truth, if in a less obvious way. (And to be honest, if I ever should become important enough to write one as well, I would make myself look good, too. It will be enough, if others bash me, thank you very much.  ;D).

But the thing is, I consider AA to be just as big a liar as Felix is. I can't take her seriously either. And in this case I happen to believe that Felix said the truth, because Anna's version just doesn't make any sense to me. The idea that Felix would want to kill Anastasia, because he blamed Alexandra for Russian's downfall just seems ridiculous to me. Plus, I can't see him pulling a knive like that. I know that in some ways he was a dangerous person (just ask Rasputin), though IMO not more than most other Russian nobility members, but there's a difference between cold-blooded manipulation and pulling a knife to stab your victim. Felix Yusupov was capable of the first, but IMO not of the second, he was even said to be incapable to kill a mouse. That doesn't make him a better person, the first kind behaviour has the same consequences as the later after all, but it does make me believe, that he was telling the truth in this case and that AA just blamed him, because he recognized her for the fraud she was.

Like I said, I do think it's possible, that he just threatened her to scare her. It seems his idea of a joke.  ::)

And yes, the whole image is very amusing.  ;D

She later claimed Felix pulled out a knife and yelled "I killed Rasputin and I will kill you too for what your mother did to my country!" and a chase all around the hotel ensued. There are no witnesses or any evidence of this happening.

Not to mention, that that seems extremely out of character for Felix. He is a charming conniver and I don't see, why he should behave in such a ridiculous way. ("I KEEL YOU DEAD. BWAHAHA"  ::)). I doubt he would have gotten Rasputin, if he acted like this in front of him. Besides, why should he want to kill Anastasia for what might or might not be Alexandra's flaws? Seems pretty much nonsense to me, like most of what came out of AA's mouth.

(However, I can see Felix making such a comment just to scare AA. That I find completely in character).  

Yes, that seems very possible.

In some ways I guess it was merciful that Konstantin died in 1915. I find him easily one of the most likeable members of the Romanov family, and I guess better he died this way, than being executed by the Bolsheviks, or surviving while most of his sons and Prince Paley were executed.  :(

 I believe Prince Vladimir Paley, the young morgantic member of the Romanov family, also a poet, looked up to him, and his reputation as a poet. Prince Vladmir must have met him, although he was rather young when KR died. There should be a biography of him, yes, that is what I thought after reading A lifelong Passion, and his writings in there. He comes across as very interesting.

Vladimir Paley was 18 when KR died, therefore although obviously still very young, not too young to get to know KR. Vladimir even returned from the front when Konstantin was dieing, as far as I know. Konstantin seemed to have liked him like a son, or maybe even more, seeing that Konstantin was drawn to men. (Not that I think anything happened between the two, but I do consider it possible that Konstantin was attracted to the handsome young man.) Vladimir also translated one of KR's plays into French, I think.

She really looks remarkably young. On all the pictures I've seen of her as a grown-up woman she looks around 20 years younger than she really was. I find that Olga, Alexandra and even Xenia often look older than MF.

It was rumoured that Felix' paternal grandfather was the child of Fridrich-Wilhelm IV and his mistress. I do think that there's a likelyhood that this is true. In one thread here people have compared the looks of Felix senior with some members of the Hohenzollern family, and the they certainly look quite a bit alike.  ;D

Greg King mentions this shortly in his biography about Zenaide here: . He doesn't debunk this rumour at the very least. If I'm not mistaken, Felix mentions this in Lost Splendor as well, but I have no idea where exactly.

It's just that it doesn't make much sense, IMO. If AA didn't want to speak with Felix for whatever reason, than she probably wouldn't have. But she did, just only in one language. Therefore I can't see any personal grudge behind this decision.

For example: As far as I know she outright refused to see Baroness Buxhoeveden. And therefore Buxhoeveden never got to met her when she wanted. That's obviously a big difference to AA's behaviour towards Felix, whom she did not refuse to meet.

Anyway, as long as Anastasia wasn't a much bigger fan of Rasputin than I expect her to be, I don't really see any reason why she should not speak to Felix. Much less a woman, who was definitely not Anastasia.

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