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The Imperial Family / Re: What got you interested in the Romanovs?
« on: March 03, 2004, 12:16:04 AM »
In the mid sixties, I was walking through the libary of my middle school when "The Last Grand Duchess" fell off the shelf and on to my head. Of course I checked it out - and I read it in one sitting.

It all started then, over 35 years ago, and my Romanov collection is now spilling into a second bookcase.

The Imperial Family / Re: OTMA's Nursing at WW I
« on: February 23, 2004, 10:59:35 PM »
The Grand Duchess Tatiana Committee was dedicated to helping those who were made refugees by the war. So successful was this committee that the Provisional Government continued its work.

Rasputin / Re: Rasputin's Murder
« on: February 23, 2004, 12:29:06 AM »
Excellent points, all, Janet.

I don't know of a mother or father who would not do all they could to help their child if he or she were ill. I agree that Alix probably knew how bad GIR was when away from the palace. But, since he was helping her son, she chose to overlook his excesses.

Rulers Prior to Nicholas II / Re: Empress Catherine II
« on: February 22, 2004, 10:47:30 PM »
Catherine was certainly a complex person whose character cannot be described in a few short words. Like many women, her achievements are discussed less than her personal life. She was certainly a remarkable ruler for any age and a person of strong appetites.

Her son Paul was not an effective ruler, and their relationship was complex as well, and not a positive nor a very loving one.

Imperial Succession and the Throne / Re: The succession
« on: February 22, 2004, 10:25:52 PM »
After Nicholas in 1917, the succession was:

1. Alexis Nikolievich

we cannot discount the possibility of Alexis having issue if he had inherited the throne

2. Mikhail Alexandrovich - if he outlived his nephew

his son George was excluded from the succession due to his illegitimate birth

3. Kirill Vladimirovich

Romanov and Imperial Russia Links / Re: Does it still exist?
« on: February 21, 2004, 09:36:29 PM »
As far as I know, no, TIRS no longer exist. Ann Brunning, who started TIRS is still around, but I understand her professional committments do not allow her time to continue with TIRS.

The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?
« on: February 15, 2004, 11:43:03 PM »
Regarding File on the Tsar: it has its place in Romanov scholarship in that in the West, because prior to its publication, there was never any critical study of the Sokolov Report. For many years, writers just continued to cite the Report as definitive without question.

While the book contains many mistakes, it did successfully challenge some of the questionable forensics. For example,  the long held belief that all the bodies could have been quickly destroyed by fire in the forest is absolutely demolished.

In my opinion, it's worth reading, but with the fingers over the nostrils for those parts that won't bear scrutiny.

The Imperial Family / Re: Exhibitions
« on: February 10, 2004, 10:15:00 PM »
I wish I knew what kind of artifacts. All I know is that the exhibition is being uncrated in Santa Fe (from Tsarskoe Selo)in May - I have been invited to be there. I am told there are many pessessions that belonged to the last Imperial Family.

Olga likely had several young men she was interested in. During the War, she wrote about "Metia, the Golden One" and there were also indications she was interested in Crown Prince Alexander of Serbia.

None of these went beyond a very innocent phase - so I'm not sure "first love" is a suitable designation.

The Imperial Family / Re: Exhibitions
« on: February 10, 2004, 12:35:51 AM »
I've been asked to participate in "Romanov Summer" through the Santa Fe Museum of Fine Arts. We'll be uncrating Romanov artifacts in May for exhibition in June or July through September.

Coryne's book, written with John Vanderkist (?), is titled Once a Grand Duchess".

The Russian Revolution / Re: Future of the Russian Government
« on: February 09, 2004, 11:10:58 PM »
While it is true that Kirill openly broke his oath to Nicholas, two points are salient here. One, there is nothing within the Fundamental Law which bars a traitorous heir from the throne. You could argue that such an heir would be morally unfit, but the law itself protects heirs from being excluded. Second, nearly all the Romanov agnates broke their oaths to Nicholas, it's just that Nicholas never made these actions public. So, if you would exclude Kirill (even though it violates the FL), you would have to exclude nearly every other Romanov alive in 1917 and their descendants.

Regarding problems with Kirill's marriage or his mother's religion excluding Kirill or his descendants, neither argument stands up. While Orthodoxy does frown on cousin marriages, there is no particular problem with 1st cousin marriages. Even so, the approval of the Tsar was considered to be all the dispensation needed for a cousin marriage, and clearly, Nicholas approved Kirill's marriage, albiet considerably after the fact. Kirill was listed as an agnate in every court circular from this approval through the Revolution. As to Maria Pavlovna's late conversion to Orthodoxy, it was customary for Romanov tsars to allow the German brides who joined the family and who did not marry heirs to the throne to keep their religion. The children of these marriages had full succession rights, so it appears the enforcement of this part of the FL allowed for late conversions such as Maria Pavlovna's in 1908. Again, all her sons (as well as the sons of Constantine, who also married a German bride) were listed as heirs to the succession in Court Circulars as long as they were published.

A source of all this confusion about what the Fundamental Law allows appears to be Massie. While a brilliant writer and historian, he is not well versed in this law, so one finds people repeating his arguments - few of which are valid.

There is not a shread of evidence that Maria Feodorovna ever expressed any interest in meeting Anna Anderson. This type of dramaic license might be acceptable if it were many centuries after everyone who ever knew them was dead.
That's not the case here, and these lies (for that is what they are) are still hurtful to those who knew the principals, Still, today, for whatever it may matter to anyone.

MF's opinion of what had happened to her sons and Nicholas' family is the source of much conjecture. My opinion only - she knew they were all dead but pretended otherwise as the last surviving Russian Empress and to encourage the monarchists. But I have no more way of proving this.

The Russian Revolution / Re: Future of the Russian Government
« on: February 08, 2004, 02:26:13 PM »
I don't agree that there's no Romanov heir.

While there are disputes as to George's suitability, the Fundamental Law as many interpret it does make him the heir. If you accept that the male dynastic line is extinct, then Vladimir's daughter and hence her son are the Romanov heirs, and the only ones.

OTOH, an argument can be made that after the Revolution, dynastic marriages were no longer possible for Romanov dynasts and thus marriages to "women of good character" are acceptable and does not preclude the issue of such marriages from being dynasts.

I am more inclined to the second argument but am really not in any place to do anything but comment.

This will all be resolved IMHO when and if George marries. If he is able to marry dynastically and sire heirs, then the first position will prevail. If he either does not marry or marries "unequally" or dynastically with no issue, then he will have to resolve certain issues with his cousins.

There is dispute about the succession only because the Fundamental Law did not address the eventuality of the dynasty being deposed.

The Russian Revolution / Re: Future of the Russian Government
« on: February 06, 2004, 11:49:09 PM »
George is in his early 20's and has graduated from university. He needs to work for a living, whick limits the time he can spend as an active heir. He lives in the UK.

The RFA - representing all but a handful of surviving Romanov descendants - does not advocate a restoration of the monarchy until democracy is well established.

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