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I can understand some mistrust of their own scientists, but the fact remains that a great deal of the work was done abroad, primarily in the United Kingdom and the United States.

Our governments have not turned our churches into stables.

The Final Chapter / Re: Final Tally?
« on: November 22, 2013, 10:07:28 PM »
There is no dispute about HIH Grand Duke Nicholas Constantinovich (1850 - 1918) and his death. He was exiled to Tashkent as a young man, where he did many beneficial things for the people, including bringing in irrigation for farming in the area and building a theater. He was therefore much loved by his community in spite of being a Romanov grand duke. And, he was not murdered by the Bolsheviks, far from it.

He married Nadezhda Dreyer, a police chief's daughter, by whom he had two sons who were styled as Prince Iskander. One of these princes died in the Civil War and one escaped Russia, leaving behind his two children who were later adopted by their mother's second husband.

The Grand Duke's home was used as his residence during his lifetime. The Bolsheviks kicked Princess Iskander out of her home in the 1920's. It is now used as a museum.

He died in January 1918 of pneumonia and was buried the following month with considerable ceremony.

The Final Chapter / Re: Why Wasn't Olga Chosen to go to Ekaterinburg?
« on: November 22, 2013, 08:18:03 PM »
I noticed something earlier in this discussion, that Michael Alexandrovich turned away troops at the Winter Palace during the February Revolution. His reason that their boots were dirty? Tsarfan, do you have a source for this?

AFAIK, Michael Alexandrovich was beloved by the notoriously difficult to lead "Wild (or Savage)" Division. They were near Gatchina where MA was living during the Kornilov Rebellion in the Summer of 1917. Had they been able to connect, there might have been more chances for a revolution from the right, who knows.

But, turning away troops with dirty boots sounds nothing like the Michael Alexandrovich of history. He was in Petrograd during the March Revolution but was not lounging around the Winter Palace. He was the guest of friends at an apartment in town.

To be sure, I can understand why the ROC "wants to be right", but from a scientific perspective, the testing is complete and to demand more tests could risk there not being enough samples left for veneration. At a certain point, enough is enough.

What is to stop them from wanting still more tests if more testing is done? There is a difference between science and belief. Scientifically, there is no need and I just can't see where more science is going to resolve a difficulty of belief.

The Final Chapter / Re: Sokolov box
« on: November 12, 2013, 01:52:38 AM »
I think there is some confusion as to what exactly is in the Box. Botkin's dentures have emerged in a recent exhibition, for example.

It's a shame that this still hasn't been satisfactorily resolved. 7 years will be Fall 2014. If the two missing ones still have not been buried by then, it will be concerning. at least to me.

The Final Chapter / Re: Why Wasn't Olga Chosen to go to Ekaterinburg?
« on: November 11, 2013, 10:50:55 PM »
The key to figuring out how everything was decided is that Alexei was unable to travel and would have to stay behind. In his parents' minds, he was still the most precious of all of their children and since Alexandra decided she must accompany her husband and not stay to care for her son, the choices regarding where the girls would end up fell to the four of them.

It was known that Alexei could misbehave and the two family members he would always mind were Olga and the Tsar. Therefore, Olga had to stay behind to care for her brother. Because their son was staying behind, there would need to be a household, and Tatiana was likely managing matters at the Governors House already so it made sense to leave her in place for the remainder of their stay.

This left the Younger Two. I think that Alexandra considered both girls to be "her legs", so clearly, at least one of the younger two had to accompany their often ill mother. Maria was loving and hard working. Anastasia at this time had taken over the bookkeeping of the household and was also "the morale officer". I think it was decided to have Anastasia stay behind because of her rapport with her brother and being able to keep his spirits up. That probably tipped the scale towards Maria going with her parents.

I am reasonably certain that none of the Emperor's children ever wanted to be separated from him, so in a sense, Voikov is correct.

All of this, by the way, is just my analysis. We really don't know what happened in making this decision.

The Final Chapter / Re: The Box
« on: November 11, 2013, 10:09:34 PM »
As far as I know, there is a box of Imperial remains buried in a wall in the Russian Orthodox Church of St. Job. I understand that the church has conditions, which have yet to be met, before the box will be released for burial.

Russian Noble Families / Re: Identification Russian Nobles
« on: April 06, 2013, 03:00:34 PM »
It's only a partial likeness and sorry, I don't recognize her.

Sorry I got the title wrong! Dan Willis also wrote a book on the Hapsburgs today.

Dmitri's height still amazes me. It can clearly be been in the Persia photo which I haven't seen before - he is at least a half foot taller than anyone else. In the 1912 photo at the Stockholm Olympics, he does not appear noticeably taller than the others, so likely much of his height comes from his long legs.

The grave that was excavated in 1991 did not have its remains buried until 1998, a wait of 7 years. It remains to be seen how long feet will be dragged over the remains found in 2007. As in life, these bones are not mere bones, and the second burial will probably be subject to political squabbles, too.

Nicholas II / Re: Nicholas II was Unprepared to Rule. Why?
« on: March 31, 2013, 11:56:37 PM »
I agree with Virginia Rounding about Sandro's damaging quote about Nicholas. There is a detailed breakdown about why I think Sandro's quote was bogus in my chapter on Nicholas as a grand duke in "The Grand Dukes" (2010). While there were many present in Lavadia when Alexander III died, only Alexander Mikhailovich characterizes Nicholas as fretfull about his sudden elevation to power. It's true that he was sad and grieving over the loss of his father which is entirely understandable. However, he did not make his cousin prominent in his reign as the quote implies he would and in fact, Nicholas was schooled in governing, although no one thought he would come to rule as quickly as he did.

The Russian Revolution / Re: Aristocrats living in the Soviet Union
« on: March 31, 2013, 11:19:24 PM »
Natalya Iskander died in 1999, one year after meeting the many Romanov descendants who attended the reburial of Nicholas II in 1998.

Dan Willis wrote "The Romanovs in the 20th Century" which describes the approximately 50 Romanov collateral descendants alive today.

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