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Surely it would be far more likely that Putin was installed as the Tsar than any Romanov!!  Bizarrely it would probably be happily accepted by the hordes of his impassioned supporters, and possibly spun as a traditional title of ‘father of the nation’, god forbid!

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Zecharia,

No historical evidence exists to suggest that NII and Mathilde had an illegitimate child.

One would also suspect that with the numerous parties involved in such a cover up, at least one would have emerged following the revolution; to gain some fame or fortune, god knows every other avenue was exhausted by frauds and desperados.

It probably also doesn’t need to be noted that the mythical daughter, as a female and an illegitimate child, would never have been accepted as a successor (sadly even today)

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French Royals / Re: Children and the French Revolution
« on: July 04, 2009, 04:46:22 AM »
There were several possible outcomes for orphans of the rein of terror,


*surviving relatives (whether they were direct relatives who were spared persecution, or foreign relatives (not uncommon for established family's), all would have been obliged to step forward.  It should also be noted the cost of raising a child was not exorbitant and would not have weighed heavily for even the petite bourgeoisie)

*Convents (many noble families had connections prior to the revolution with religious orders (financial and familial), and during their captivity and trials had access to priests and monks who could arrange guardianship after their execution in any number of French of foreign convents)

*Associates & Friends (The average noble would have toured parts of the continent through either business or pleasure and established a range of connections with their foreign peers, which would have been sustained over the years due to the art of correspondence.  During the reign, many of these guardians would have been called upon to assist these enfants, and as the vast majority in foreign courts and nobles were hugely sympathetic, they would have been obliged through honour to take them in, indeed morbidly it would have been the height of fashion to have a noble orphan in London of St Petersburg...think Madonna or Jolie :S)

*Servants (guardianship was assumed by many servants, at least temporarily, as many of these people had long generational links to their respective ‘house’s’, and were fervently devoted to their masters even after they had been striped of their titles and wealth (many accounts are touching).  One should also consider that the child of even a petite bourgeoisie family could have had a range of servants who were attached solely to them, including possibly a governesses, wet nurse, nursery maid, tutors and instructors, etc, and these people would have naturally felt obliged)

If all these avenues were exhausted, as noted, it is possible that the republic would have ‘taken possession’ of these orphans, and they would have been raised poorly in an orphanage or work house, although this is unlikely, as is the image of an abandoned noble child roaming provincial France in dirty and torn silk and lace.


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When one considers them as ‘characters’, I believe Alexandra presents as more tragic.  AF faced numerous hardships in her life which resulted in her becoming a fragile and neurotic character, she had joy in the form of her children, and her isolated household, but ultimately she was at odds with her ‘lot in life’.  Just as Nicholas was better suited to the life of a country squire, Alexandra would have been found contentment as the pious wife of a home counties village vicar. 

Marie Antoinette on the other hand, for many periods of her life was relatively happy.  Whilst she also endured hardships and was forced to retreat into her household in a manner similar to Alexandra, she enjoyed an idyllic childhood (well until it was prematurely cut short and she became a royal child bride!) and throughout many periods of her reign she was celebrated and admired, and genuinely content.

Marie Antoinette’s ultimate fate however was far more tragic compared to Alexandra!  M.A was publicly humiliated and consistently taunted, deprived and molested; such treatment would have been unbearable for a match stick girl, let alone the Queen of France, who had been conditioned (‘by the grace of god’) to expect reverence from her subjects. 

In comparison Alexandra’s demise in the basement of Ipatiev House was almost civilised, and perhaps a lesser fate, had N&A actually been returned to Moscow for trial at some stage, in which there surely would have been public displays of humiliation and degradation, something which I am grateful they never faced.

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I just wanted to note, as it hadn’t been addressed, that Russia’s autocracy, as well as many others, demanded strong symbols of masculinity, and this would have been weighing on NII, in considering Olga.

Nicolas, who himself was burdened with a small structure (his fathers towering physique would have been an ideal trait), would have realised that Olga as sovereign-Empress, would have struggled to maintain herself as a powerful ‘figure head’ to the public.  Despite her capabilities, Europe as this point was a ‘mans world’ and I believe that Olga would have only ever have been accepted as a constitutional figure head, indeed an ideal one at that, as more of the populous would have been willing to accept a seemingly docile and attractive Grand Duchess, than another Romanov male, who would have been suspect.

Sadly, the days of the enlightenment, in which Catherine the Great could commandeer her army, and successfully fill both the role of Empress and Tsar, to her people, were long gone.  For Nicholas to consider passing the crumpling autocratic throne to a young woman, would have been absurd, and would have sparked rejoice for revolutionaries, who would have wasted no time in painting her to her public as probably either weak, mindless and extravagant, or a whore.

Unfortunately, these conditions were, and continue to be, a predictable reality for women in power…

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News Links / Re: "French Riviera fed up with Russians"...
« on: October 01, 2008, 08:08:29 AM »
The Russians of old had a similar reputation, the vast fortunes of not just the Imperial family, but also the minor aristocrats, often crippled that of their contemporaries in the West…   

I can’t help but feel that after two world wars, a revolution, civil war, and one very long experiment with socialism, Russia is back where she started, with one sole leader with (reputed) undemocratic tendencies, and a vast amount of wealth held by a minority.

These few Russians are in many cases quiet appalling, it’s nice to see the modesty of the locals prevail (one cant help but feel that humility is something the Western world misplaced somewhere a few decades ago).

Perhaps one good thing coming out of this is that many of these individuals are buying up art and historical pieces, and returning them to Russia… perhaps they will eventually follow the lead of the former aristocrats, whom despite their exorbitant wealth, apparently had the greatest leanings towards philanthropy in Europe!

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Nicholas visiting the M.R, burlesque in style, would have been similar to royalty visiting a strip club today… it was certainly low brow and would have only have been attempted in disguise.

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"in the rest of Russia the people were more tolerant and loyal to the Tsar"

indeed Drronie, although the many cities located within these rural areas has citizens who harboured animosity towards the Tsarist regime… for those 'town and city Russians' who weren’t dependent on the land, the war and economic conditions had made their lives a living hell, and travel for the IF, really anywhere in the Empire was risky (as the trains past through numerous small cities and towns), and this was a contrast the IF witnessed on their journey to Siberia.

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Nicholas II / Re: Why did Niicholas want the Japan - Russia war?
« on: August 22, 2008, 05:17:06 AM »
Coincidentally there are ‘warm water port’ issues for present day Russia.  They currently lease a Ukrainian port, however this is due to expire soon and it is unlikely to be renewed due to Ukraines NATO ambitions. DRAMA!

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Nicholas II / Re: Personal Attributes of Nicholas II
« on: August 21, 2008, 09:30:30 PM »
It is safe to presume that NII did in fact snore (at least occasionally).  For one he was a man of a certain age and it is a common trend, secondly he was a smoker which would have added respiratory issues (inflaming the likelihood) thirdly (among other issues) he was an all empowering autocrat, a role that would be likely to cause a little snore related grief.

On the other hand, he was a very fit man, and he shared a bed with AF… I believe if NII was keeping AF awake something would have been done about it (particularly given AF’ frail health) on the other hand I don’t believe AF would have permitted to separate quarters and lost that avenue of control… and her interrupted sleep with NII could explain why she spent so much of her day lounging in her boudoir, lol.

Also there would have been many opportunities for people to observe that the emperor snored, throughout his life, with the multitude of servants, officers, guards, diplomats and relatives he would have encountered at home and abroad, some of them would have had an opportunity to press ear to thinned palace wall and presumably report in writing to someone.

Given this, its likely to presume that NII did indeed snore, but it was probably occasional, and nothing to write home about, I think anyone receiving the news that Nicholas II snored would have been a bit disappointed that a presumed habit was the only tid bit one was able to report.

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Nicholas II / Re: Why did Niicholas want the Japan - Russia war?
« on: August 21, 2008, 08:56:37 PM »
Put simply, the Russians wanted a warm water port that wouldn’t freeze over during winter, and since they didn’t have a suitable location within the empire, they hoped an occupation of Port Arthur and the surrounding areas would have provided this.

It was pure and simple imperialism, which was stunted by an underdog (Japan), who were already dominating Korea in a similar fashion.  It was very difficult for NII, as Europe was fully expecting the 'Great Russian Empire' to crush meek Japan, and their failure to do so exposed many of the inadequacies to do so.


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Victoria was at her home on the Isle of Wight when their cousin Marie Louise personally brought the confirmation letter from George V...Louis took the letter to Victoria silently...nothing was said and for the duration of Louies stay nothing was said..they worked long and hard and silently in the garden...that was Victorias way of coping..but the eve of Louies depature..Victoria thanked her...

I think it’s a remarkably dignified reaction and not dysfunctional at all.  Grief is an  emotion that must be processed by the individual, if it helps outward displays of mourning can be beneficial, but generally I would think a long period of self reflection would be helpful – ranging certaintly wouldn’t.

This is a great little (and very british) anecdote re. victoria

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Im not sure, but Japanese culture was considered fashionable at the time.

Otherwise it could have just come down to an availability of certain types of borders at a printers etc.

It must be an interesting piece because of this.

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French Royals / Re: Princess de Lamballe
« on: June 10, 2007, 08:49:52 AM »
I hope that is the case, and it wouldn’t be a surprising fact… so many historical facts, particularly those during hectic periods, are prone to inflamed inaccuracies.

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French Royals / Re: Princess de Lamballe
« on: June 07, 2007, 07:20:39 AM »
The slaughter of the Princesse de Lamballe is absolutely haunting and tragic.  It was a ‘planned’ murder insomuch as she was ‘surrendered to the crowd’ by her jailers, however I think she was just the victim of a crazed mob fuelled by anger – and almost definitely served one of the most horrendous deaths at the time.  MA and others may have suffered a traumatic death on the scaffold, but Lamballe was stripped, gang raped and paraded by a violent mob of screaming peasants, her trauma was public and horrific, and ended in her body being torn apart… her death was really the revenge of the French (or rather the Parisian) people, not the Republic.

Its so sad, I hope she is at peace,

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