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French Royals / Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« on: March 17, 2006, 04:49:49 AM »
Sissi, are there any similar photos available of the hair of MA?  It will be nice to compare as to what have been discussed on this forum.

French Royals / Re: King Louis XV and his family
« on: March 16, 2006, 11:56:26 AM »
I wonder whether it was just painted in a similar style, or that the painting of ML was basically just done with a sketch of her features as the basis, and that the rest all fake?  You're right they are VERY similar.  Even the page boy carrying the train looks the same!

Their World and Culture / Re: The cause of fainting spells--CORSETS!
« on: March 16, 2006, 10:30:44 AM »
Did you get the lacy/barely there type or the real thing that is sturdy, that can even transform Mary of Teck (that is fat Mary)? ;D

Their World and Culture / Re: The cause of fainting spells--CORSETS!
« on: March 15, 2006, 12:50:34 PM »
For those of you interested in contemporary modern day tightlacing and corsetry, see  ;) :o ;D

It is quite an eye-opener and contains a wealth of information on corsetry without all the fluff!

Their World and Culture / Re: The cause of fainting spells--CORSETS!
« on: March 15, 2006, 09:42:46 AM »
You're welcome. :)  Many people today still wear corsets, and unless you know someone, you won't have a clue as to the real deal.  My own grandmother wore corsets right into very old age.  She was well into her 90's when she died in 1999.

French Royals / Re: MA & LouisXVI's remains
« on: March 15, 2006, 05:27:23 AM »
I have read that the Nazi government guillotined more people during the time of the Third Reich than the French did during the French Revolution.  The guillotine was the preferred choice inside the Nazi prisons.  It was set up in one of the prison rooms.  It was not as tall as the French version, but had a heavier weight on the blade to compensate for the loss in height.

The French abolished the death penalty in 1977.

Their World and Culture / Re: The cause of fainting spells--CORSETS!
« on: March 14, 2006, 11:29:28 AM »
We nowadays have a warped sense of corsets.  
Let me begin by saying that it is NOT a good idea to get a corset off a shop shelf.  It is advisable to have one custom made according to your own personal dimensions.  IF it is custom made, there is no problem with discomfort as it fits the body contours exactly.  When you pull in the laces, it molds the body accordingly.  Anyone who knows about so-called "tightlacing" will know that it is not a sudden reduction of 6"-8", but a gradual build-up to it.  In other words, you start off by reducing the waist by say three inches.  You wear the corset like that for say 3 months, about 16 hours or more per day.  The body gets accustomed to it, and you then reduce a further inch or so.  In that way you GRADUALLY work the size of the waist down to an hour glass figure over the course of a year or two.  :)
You would want to die from discomfort if you were to suddenly try to reduce drastically by doing some tightlacing. ;D

French Royals / Re: King Louis XV and his family
« on: March 14, 2006, 06:02:05 AM »
ML's favourite child was the Duc d'Anjou, who died very young.  The poor child was sickly and some of the women attending him, being very superstitious, gave him the earth from the Saint Medard cemetery to eat, mixed into his food.  It came from the grave of a saintly person.  After the child's death, when the doctors opened up the body, they found a lot of earth in his intestines.  It was a mystery as the child did not go into the garden and there was none in his bedroom.  They could not understand how he ingested such a large quantity of earth.  Only for Marie Leczinska to find out with horror that her child has been given the earth from the Saint Medard cemetary!

French Royals / Re: Princess Marie-Therese, Duchesse d'Angouleme
« on: March 14, 2006, 05:46:19 AM »
Having seen numerous times what an autopsy entails and knowing what they do to you when they embalm you, I do not blame poor MT for not wanting to be autopsied!!!

French Royals / Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« on: March 11, 2006, 06:32:21 AM »
As far as I know, it was their own natural hair.  Apparently a kind of framework was used and the hair was arranged over that.  It was then powdered.  That was the fashion, and you know how fashion is!

See Mme Campan, Chapter V:
"Fashion continued its fluctuating progress;  and head-dresses, with their superstructures of gauze, flowers and feathers, became so lofty that the women could not find carriages high enough to admit them;  and they were often seen either stooping, or holding their heads out of the windows.  Others knelt down in order to manage these elevated objects of ridicule with less danger...  The King's brothers also came very generally to pay their respects to her Majesty while her hair was being dressed.  In the earlier years of the reign the first part of the dressing was performed in the bedchamber and according to the laws of etiquette;  that is to say, the lady of honour put on the chemise and poured out the water for the hands, the tirewoman put on the skirt of the gown or full dress, adjusted the handkerchief, and tied on the necklace.  But when the young Queen became more seriously devoted to fashion, and the head-dress attained so extravagant a height that it became necessary to put on the chemise from below,- when, in short, she determined to have her milliner, Mademoiselle Bertin, with her whilst she was dressing, whom the ladies would have refused to admit to share in the honour of attending on the Queen, the dressing in the bedchamber was discontinued, and the Queen, leaving her toilet, withdrew into her closet to dress."

I hope this gives you some information!

French Royals / Re: MA & LouisXVI's remains
« on: March 10, 2006, 10:06:44 AM »
From a medical perspective, the moment the blade severs the spinal cord (which is one of the first things the blade strikes) you loose consciousness and you're off! :)

French Royals / Re: Versailles, Palaces and Gardens
« on: March 09, 2006, 12:14:14 PM »
I wonder when Marie Antoinette used to use the private apartment on the ground floor in the Cour de Marbre instead of her formal apartment on the bel etage.  It is to be noted that it is in her formal bedroom where she actually slept for example the night of 5 October when the mob invaded the palace and tried to kill her.  Also her libraries, billiards room, diningroom, octagonal cabinet, etc is right behind the Salon des Nobles de la Reine, the Salon du Grand Couvert and her state bedchamber.

French Royals / Re: Queen Marie Antoinette
« on: March 09, 2006, 08:18:11 AM »
As indicated above, brand new furniture was supplied at considerable cost.  Maybe the insects have inhabited the Temple long before the Royal Family moved there...  You're right it probably was a very dreary place, as most of the windows had screens pointing upwards on the outside, if one looks at the drawings.  I once visited the Chateau de Vincennes, and I suspect that the Temple was somewhat similar?  Where are our Parisian friends...  :)

French Royals / Re: King Louis XV and his family
« on: March 09, 2006, 08:12:21 AM »
According to this book I'm reading, it goes back to the 10th century.  It is a series of books called "Les Reines de France", the specific one being about ML, I think the author is Guy de Rochefaucould (sic).

French Royals / Re: MA & LouisXVI's remains
« on: March 09, 2006, 08:08:42 AM »
Crotalo, the correct one is <<Faites-le vite>>, as far as I can recall from what I have read.  Of course <<Depechez-vous>> is quite possible, as they both basically give the same message.

Don't you all think that this is a much quicker way to "go", instead of these lethal injections they use here in the USA?  This is now making the assumption that the death penalty is OK...

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