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« on: May 18, 2005, 10:16:28 AM »
MOSCOW, May 18 (RIA Novosti) - The last Russian emperor, Nicholas II, was
not a good ruler and made many mistakes but his martyr's death atoned for
everything, in the opinion of 25% of Russians (first position). These are
the results of the public poll conducted by Yury Levada's Analytical Center
prior to the anniversary of the emperor's birth marked on May 19. The
respondents were offered to choose one of the four positions.

According to 22% of the polled, the emperor was an innocent victim of the
Bolshevik terror (second position).

However, 17% of Russians believe that the emperor abdicated the crown in
the hard times and is responsible for what happened to Russia after 1917
(third position).

Nicholas II plunged Russia into poverty and was overthrown as a result of
people's rebellion, said 14% of the respondents (fourth position).

Russians under 40, mainly women, students, and residents of Moscow, the
Siberian and Northwestern Federal Districts who voted for the United Russia
party in the State Duma elections share the first position (martyr's death
atoned for everything).

Male officials, businessmen and unemployed persons, Russians aged 25-40,
people with secondary education, residents of the Far Eastern, Southern and
Northwestern Federal Districts and settlements with the 100,000-500,000
population, as well as supporters of the Liberal-Democratic Party of Russia
(LDPR) regard the emperor as an innocent victim of the Bolshevik terror.

Men aged 40-54 with higher and secondary education, living in the Volga
Federal District and big cities except Moscow and St. Petersburg and those
who voted for the Rodina (Homeland) party or against all share the third

The fourth position was chosen by men, people over 40, with primary
education, residents of Moscow and the Volga Federal District and
supporters of the Rodina party.

This representative nationwide poll was conducted in 128 settlements of 46
Russian regions. The statistic error does not exceed 3%.

Forum Announcements / OTMA -- A play about the four Grand Duchesses
« on: May 10, 2005, 11:34:25 AM »
Atlantic Theater Company in New York City presents
by Kate Moira Ryan

with Ellen Crowley-Etten, Katherine Emmer
Elizabeth Malone, Carla Rzeszewski

directed by Karen Kohlhaas

July 1918, Ekaterinburg, Russia.  Under house arrest,
the four young grand duchesses Romanov rehearse
THE CHERRY ORCHARD as they await their fate.

Tuesday, June 14 at 8, then Wed-Sat at 8, Sun at 3
(NOTE: Sat, June 18 at 2pm.  No performance Sun, June 19)
All Performances at 453 West 16th St. (bet. 9th/10th Aves.)  
CALL 212-691-5919, x123 FOR RESERVATIONS.
Limited Availability - Call Today

« on: May 06, 2005, 10:50:16 AM »
MOSCOW, May 5 (RIA Novosti) - The statue "Flying Mercury" stolen from the
Pavlovsk estate museum, the suburbs of St.Petersburg, in the second world
war and later placed at the land museum "Johanneum in the town of Graz,
Austria, has been returned to Russia. It was received Thursday by Boris
Boyarsky, head of the Russian agency for cultural heritage, from the hands
of Austrian ambassador Martin Vukovic.

The statue Flying Mercury was cast in 1783 by order from the Empress
Catherine the Second. From the end of the 18th century to 1941, the statue,
representing the copy of Giambologna's famous work displayed at the national
museum in Florence, was one of the gems of the Pavlovsk Palace park. Before
the seizure of Pavlovsk by the Nazis, the statue was buried in the park but
after the liberation of the city could not be found.

It was only in 1979 that a Russian art critic discovered it at the art
history museum in Vienna. However, it took another 20 years to prove in May
2002 by joint Russian-Austrian expert examination that the statue did get to
Graz from Pavlovsk. This was sufficient evidence for the Russian side to
demand the retrieval of the statue.

The three sides involved in the effort to return the artwork were the
Austrian government, the Russian agency for cultural heritage and the
Russian foreign ministry.

"Today we have become witness to a singular event, both in terms of culture
and politics. The Flying Mercury will make only a stop in Moscow to land in
the final analysis in Pavlovsk where this sculpture will be ceremoniously
returned on a high political level this autumn. We are happy that we can
return this fascinating work of art to where it belongs," said the Austrian

"The Austrian government's decision on the eve of the 60th anniversary of
the V-Day to meet the inquiry about the return of the statue is viewed in
Moscow as another confirmation of friendly Russian-Austrian relations," said
the Russian foreign ministry's spokesman Alexander Yakovenko.

Research Russian Roots / Re: a fascinating tale of imperial Russia
« on: April 04, 2005, 11:14:34 AM »
I think you will get a better and faster response if you can give us the FAMILY name(s) of your grandparents. Right now, we just have a woman named Valentina, with no surname and an interesting story.


Imperial Claimants Post Here / Re: Two Vancouver Tsesarevichs?
« on: April 04, 2005, 10:01:47 AM »
Just call Mitotyping Technologies, Dr. Teri Melton. Find out how much the DNA test will cost, GET THE MONEY and be done with it...
The rest is just unproductive speculation and theory that will never lead to an answer. If you just get the DNA test, you will have a REAL answer.

PS, your spelling is very poor for someone raised in Connecticut. ALSO, why not avail yourself of the public records of births, deaths,marriages etc to find out the truth of your mother's story?  All this sounds, at least to me, like you are "fishing" for something....for someone who claims that this "ruined your life" and you "aren't interested" you keep posting the same things over and over and over...

Not meant to be rude, truly. Just that as an impartial observer, that is how it all appears to me.

Welcome New Users! Read 1st please. / DO NOT POST IN THIS THREAD
« on: March 02, 2005, 10:15:14 AM »
This thread is about how to USE the forum. This IS NOT the place to ask questions, introduce yourself, or anything else. PLEASE find an appropriate board to post your topic. OTHERWISE, the useful information for new users will be pushed out and they can't see it.
Forum Admin

Q&A and Interviews / Captain Peter Sarandinaki of SEARCH
« on: January 28, 2005, 02:46:18 PM »
Bob Atchison recently interviewed Captain Peter Sarandinaki of the group SEARCH (Scientific Expedition to Account for the Romanov Children).  We are honored to bring you this interview.

I keep seeing people posting new topics here. THIS thread is about the general rules, conventions and guidelines for using the forum. Please post your new topics in an appropriate place. Take a minute read ALL the different topic threads and find the one where yours fits.


Rasputin / Rasputin and the Jews - Not a Discussion of the New Book
« on: January 03, 2005, 11:57:23 AM »
AGR Bear wrote:
Did Rasputin take part in the activities dealing with the Jews?

So I thought this thread could discuss her question of "Good deeds" by Rasputin, starting with his dealings with Jews.
Carry on!

Q&A and Interviews / Travel to Russia  - Exeter International
« on: December 27, 2004, 01:40:56 PM »
We interviewed Greg Tepper at Exeter International, specialists in arranging travel to Russia.

1. How has travel to Russia changed over the last few years?   Is it easier
or more difficult?
It is just about the same as far as ease or difficulty, but there are many more options for the traveler now. Better hotels, restaurants and services arrive all the time. The visa process is slightly more complex, but still not a real obstacle.  Still, you should not expect Russia to be an easy place to get around- few signs are in English and people ont eh street do not generally speak English- so almost all travelers to Russia are part of a group tour or have private car, driver and guide meeting them upon arrival.

2.  What about visas – are they required and how do you get one.
Yes a visa is required, but the process is not hard. You can get a visa processed as fast as the same day ($300 per visa), but for the best price, you will need at least three to four weeks for processing ($100 per visa). You can find instructions on the Russian Consulate’s website. You will also need an official “invitation” from a tour operator.

3.  What are the advantages/disadvantages of traveling with a group?
If you usually like to travel in a group, then you should do this in Russia too. If you usually prefer to travel independently, I highly recommend that you make arrangements to have a private guide meet you upon arrival and have your itinerary laid out before you go. You will also need a private car and driver at least part of the time. Don’t arrive and try to “wing it” in Russia- it is NOT recommended and you will have lots of stress (at a minimum!). A tour operator an make all these arrangements for you, including processing your visa.

4.  How difficult is it to travel as an individual in Russia?
See above.

5.  The members of our Forum are interested in seeing palaces and buildings
associated with the last Tsar and his family.  Many of these are located in
Tsarskoe Selo.  Is it possible to set up individual travel to these sites
and stay in Tsarskoe Selo?
Absolutely! Just ask your tour operator to plan this itinerary for you. Many palaces and museums have odd closing times (sometimes every Tuesday and the last Friday of each month! Each museum has a schedule like this and it is confusing). You won’t want to stay in Tsarskoe Selo since there are few restaurants out there and the couple that are there are very touristy. You can get to Tsarskoe Selo in 50 minutes or less from central St. Petersburg which has lots of hotels and many good restaurants.

6.  Have you been to the Alexander Palace and can you tell us how you found
the palace itself and how is it is faring as a tourist destination?
Alexander Palace is just beginning as a museum (opened only a few years ago), as only a few rooms have been restored to their original condition. Most rooms are more like a memorial to the Imperial family and how they lived in this space (ie. lots of pictures of what each room looked like and a few articles from the original room). The palace is not overrun by tourists like the other palaces – ie. Catherine Palace and Pavlovsk, so it is always a pleasant museum to visit.

7.  Is it possible to travel to the Crimea and visit Livadia?
Absolutely! You can take a cruise that goes into the Black Sea or better yet, fly to Simferopol from Kiev, Moscow or Istanbul (on Turkish Airlines, which is an excellent airline). You will need a visa if you fly in and your tour operator can help you with this. The best place to stay in Yalta is the Hotel Oreanda- a good Ukrainian-French joint venture hotel. You will want a private car, driver and guide here.

8.  What final advice would you give to Romanov enthusiasts who would like
to travel to Russia?
Do your research, know what you are most interested in and find a good tour company to help you plan your trip and make all the travel arrangements. There is so much to see and do in St. Petersburg, Moscow and the Crimea, that you will feel rushed no matter how much time you give yourself- so try to devote more time rather than less (no less than four or five days in each city).

Greg Tepper
Exeter International  

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Based upon probable cause had and reviewed, the above named defendant Nicholas II Alexandrovich (hereinafter referred to as "Defendant 1" is to be charged with the capital crime of "Murder, in the First Degree".
Presence of Defendant 1 is waived and a Bill of Habeus Corpus shall not be obtained due the impossibility of the presence of Defendant 1 due to his death. Defendant 1 shall therefore be tried "in absentia".

Date of Offense:  9 January 1905
Location of Offense: Palace Square, St. Petersburg, Russia
Specifics: That on or about the above date, Defendant 1 did in fact knowingly and with malice aforethought cause the unlawful murder of at least 200 citizens of the State of Imperial Russia and substantial unlawful intentional bodily harm  to numerous others.

Prosecution will begin by:
1. Identifying each member of the Prosecution team (work this out yourselves privately) and who will serve as lead.
2. Identify first the "INTENT" of the Defendant that the crime occur. then
3. Identify MOTIVE for the Crime then
4. What acts the Defendant undertook to CAUSE the crime or identify WHY Defendant is directly responsible for the commission of the crime
5. What opportunity Defendant had to commit the crime.

Imperial Russian Antiques / Re: The Ermitage
« on: November 10, 2004, 10:36:49 AM »
not sure what "citations" you mean for sure, but "l'Ermitage" is French for "The Hermitage" so I assume you mean the museum.

News Links / Saving Russian Palaces
« on: October 17, 2004, 11:05:02 AM »
The Electronic Telegraph (UK)
October 17, 2004
Russia's ristocrats fight to prevent sale of old palaces to new
By Julian O'Hlloran

A group of Russian aristocrats whose ancestors escaped death afte the 1917
revolution are demanding compensation for thousands of mansions and palaces
seized from the nbility by the Bolsheviks.

They are also mounting a campaign of resistnce against a proposed new law
that would allow regional governments to sel off the property that was
taken into public ownership by the Communists more than 80 years ago.

Reional officials have been summoned to the Kremlin for a meeting this
week aout an increasingly contentious issue that has reopened the deep
wounds let by the destruction of Russia's property-owning classes.

The meeting folows a call for new legislation by the governor of St
Petersburg, Valentia Matvienko - Russia's first woman governor and a
leading ally of President Putin - to allw the seized houses to be sold
off. The city authorities in Russia's frmer imperial capital have already
identified more than two dozen palaces and mansions they want to put up for

Across Russia, up o 100,000 large properties were nationalised after the
revolution. Many wereused to house the poor or turned into communal flats.
Others were used as shools or institutes, or to accommodate Communist
Party bodies. They range from dilapidated hells that would cost tens of
millions of pounds to restore to mansions suchas those that line the
English Embankment of the River Neva in St Petersburg.

Princess Vera Obolensky,a travel agent in St Petersburg whose family spent
most of the last centry in exile, is infuriated by these moves. "The whole
proposal is a complete shame and disgrace," she said, pointing out one of
her family's former home, a large and elegant apartment building in the
city. "Of course, I realise we can't have all our properties back. Maybe
one flat inone of the houses that was owned by my family would be enough."

PrincessVera says she is the 34th generation to hold her title but, like
many 18th ad 19th-century Russian aristocrats, speaks Russian with a
distinct French accent. Her ancesors did so because of cultural preference
and fashion; the princessdoes because her grandparents were forced to flee
to France as the Bolseviks closed in on one of their country estates,
intent on murder.

The faily, disguised in peasant clothing, made their way to the Crimea
before ending up in Paris. Princess Vera, 51, saw Russa for the first time
only in the 1990s when she returned to St Petersburg fter the collapse of
the Soviet Union.

She points out that in a bidding wr for any stately home, she and other
surviving aristocrats would be unable to compete with Russia' billionaire
oligarchs. "It's very cynical, because naturally we don't have any money,"
she said. "We've already been robbed by the Bosheviks, back in 1917."

Russia's oligarchs, themselves mostly former Cmmunist government
officials, are already circling historic properties in t Petersburg. In
2002, Roman Abramovich, the owner of Chelsea football club, bought a small
mansion known as Tenisheva's Palace on the Eglish Embankment for a
reported £280,000 on behalf of the government of the egion of Chukotka,
where he is governor. In a fully competitive market, howeer, it is thought
that the price for even a small palace in St Petersburg cold run into
several million pounds.

The cards seem heavily stacked against the aristocrats. If the propsed law
is passed, one political analyst predicts a privatisation scandal ike
those of the 1990s, when state assets were sold off to individuals wih
connections to government at rock-bottom prices. "I think there will b no
open competition for this type of property," said Igor Leshukov, of St
Petersburg's Institute for International Affairs. "It will be deided by
the city authorities."

In Moscow, other dispossessed aristocrats elong to the League for the
Protection of the Rights of Owners. It is monitring about 100 legal cases
in which claimants have tried - and failed- to win back properties seized
in the early days of the Soviet Union.

Prince Yevgeny Meshchersky, 53, a former nuclear engineer, was living in
the Ukraine when communism collapsed. For decades his family had hidden
their aristocratic identity, with good reason. Both his randfathers, he
said, were killed during Stalin's purges in the 1930s.

n 1997 he returned with his wife and children to the family estate of
Petroskoye-Alabino, south-west of Moscow. Today the family palace - where,
he sys, Napoleon stayed during his retreat from Moscow - is a ruin.

Prince evgeny says that the local authority is intent on selling the land
for ousing development. In an attempt to reclaim the site, he decided to
squat in an outbuilding. His arrival in the villae of Alabino split the
community, however, and his efforts ended in abitter dispute.

Finally, five years after the family occupied thir former estate, the
authorities evicted them.

"I moved into this palae in accordance with Russian laws," said Prince
Yevgeny. "There was nothing riminal about my actions. But bandits are in
power. The district court set 10 armed policemen who broke into this
building and physically kicked us out.

"I think eventually the descendants of the nobility will be leaving
Russia," he said. "There is just no safety, no future, no security and no
justice here."

Julian O'Halloan's report for Assignment about the Russian aristocracy,
will be broadcaston the World Service of the BBC next Saturday at 11.06am
and 2.06pm, and nex Sunday at 4.06pm.

Forum Announcements / Interviews & Q&A Section
« on: October 08, 2004, 04:40:48 PM »
Hi guys,
So many of you have written, asking what this is about, I've posted this here.
We have been approached by several people who have agreed to a "Q&A" or interview session with our users. We hope that we can get more authors, historians and Romanov descendants to join in.

The section is locked, because all questions will be submitted in advance via private message or email to the specific moderator of that session. Lisa Davidson has graciously offered to help us out with this. I do not think I have to explain WHY the questions will be reviewed in advance.

The question will be posted, and then the "guest" will post their own answer to the question. follow up questions can be sent to the moderator. We also envision a set time limit for the sessions, perhaps one week, with advance notice to you.


Welcome New Users! Read 1st please. / Email Spam Filters
« on: October 06, 2004, 03:42:42 PM »
Hi everyone.
Just a reminder, that you should set your spam filters for email to allow email from and so that our emails and newsletter can reach you!

Also, RoadRunner now wants us to PAY for a verification certificate or our emails are bounced back as spam unless you set your controls to allow the emails thru. So, please, if you use a email address, reset your email controls.

Many thanks.

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